baqar

It was not wrongdoing, brother.
It was accidental and unintentional.
It would have been wrongdoing if it was deliberate.

Let us stay away from mutual misgivings, brother.  
Let us discuss the subject matter of the thread, if we have something to say.
If we have nothing to say, let us try not to give in to meaningless conversations.
My advice is meant for everyone here, not anyone in particular, and including myself.
The world is going through a phase where we need patience and look at the examples of the extraordinary role models that we have.
I hope you will forgive me if I have said anything not to your liking.
All the best.  

Just heard on the news that Iran has admitted to blowing off the plane unintentionally.
Alas for the victims!
May God forgive their sins, give peace to their families and grant them Paradise. 

I have not studied American  history as a subject but I believe Trump is easily the worst President in US history.
I hope most Americans share this view in November. 

Does that men that Iran would not be at fault?

It was not wrongdoing, brother.
It was accidental and unintentional.
It would have been wrongdoing if it was deliberate.

The entire government apparatus should not be blamed just because some people in high office tried to fend off blame.
It takes time to find out things.
They couldn't possibly admit anything unless they had established the facts.
Three days is not eternity, really.

The entire government apparatus should not be blamed just because some people in high office tried to fend off blame.
It takes time to find out things.
They couldn't possibly admit anything unless they had established the facts.
Three days is not eternity, really.

It was not wrongdoing, brother.
It was accidental and unintentional.
It would have been wrongdoing if it was deliberate.

Let us stay away from mutual misgivings, brother.  
Let us discuss the subject matter of the thread, if we have something to say.
If we have nothing to say, let us try not to give in to meaningless conversations.
My advice is meant for everyone here, not anyone in particular, and including myself.
The world is going through a phase where we need patience and look at the examples of the extraordinary role models that we have.
I hope you will forgive me if I have said anything not to your liking.
All the best.  

Never doubt the intentions of people unless you are absolutely sure.
Matters in the government involve lots of people.
So three days is not eternity really.
In any case, it is a good opportunity to look forward now and pray for those who lost their lives for no fault of theirs.
Let us pray for comfort and solace for their families.
And more importantly, let us pray for a change in the leadership of some truly evil leaders, who have caused more pain and anger to weaker nations than at any time in recent history.
Without accusing anyone by name, it is well-known that the leader of one nation in particular is among the most evil leaders in modern history. 
And let us hope and pray that his days are truly approaching their end.  

Just heard on the news that Iran has admitted to blowing off the plane unintentionally.
Alas for the victims!
May God forgive their sins, give peace to their families and grant them Paradise. 

People have very short memories, really.

Anybody else see how giddy, smiling and happy those Saturday morning nutwork newsjerks are about "Iran lied", "can no longer deny" in accidently shooting down the Ukraine flight.
Disgusto!
Comparatively, Washington didn't know about the My Lai massacre until much later than 2+ days.

this has no connection to lying about hitting the plane but media are making connection between these two to erase or reduce importance of hitting American  bases.

Just heard on the news that Iran has admitted to blowing off the plane unintentionally.
Alas for the victims!
May God forgive their sins, give peace to their families and grant them Paradise. 

Never doubt the intentions of people unless you are absolutely sure.
Matters in the government involve lots of people.
So three days is not eternity really.
In any case, it is a good opportunity to look forward now and pray for those who lost their lives for no fault of theirs.
Let us pray for comfort and solace for their families.
And more importantly, let us pray for a change in the leadership of some truly evil leaders, who have caused more pain and anger to weaker nations than at any time in recent history.
Without accusing anyone by name, it is well-known that the leader of one nation in particular is among the most evil leaders in modern history. 
And let us hope and pray that his days are truly approaching their end.  

Never doubt the intentions of people unless you are absolutely sure.
Matters in the government involve lots of people.
So three days is not eternity really.
In any case, it is a good opportunity to look forward now and pray for those who lost their lives for no fault of theirs.
Let us pray for comfort and solace for their families.
And more importantly, let us pray for a change in the leadership of some truly evil leaders, who have caused more pain and anger to weaker nations than at any time in recent history.
Without accusing anyone by name, it is well-known that the leader of one nation in particular is among the most evil leaders in modern history. 
And let us hope and pray that his days are truly approaching their end.  

Just heard on the news that Iran has admitted to blowing off the plane unintentionally.
Alas for the victims!
May God forgive their sins, give peace to their families and grant them Paradise. 

0400EST10Jan20 CBS Morning News
While lran is strongly denying this, the US says the US picked-up the radar locking-on to the flight and fired two missiles. Two missiles explains the differences in the two videos linked to above.
CBS also reported that the radar operator should have seen the plane take-off from the airport, it had its transponder on and was flying away from the area.

The US President and the Canadian PM both believe that the plane was brought down by Iranian surface to air missiles.

A message I received from Microsoft says that an update is not advised.
You must buy a new laptop. 

I am not Iranian but I really hope that is the case.
Iran has suffered much too much at the hands of the US and his allies (especially UK), especially since Trump has discovered Twitter and treats his Tweets on the same level as his Bible.

I highly recommend listening to this lecture by Sayed Ammar.

I refuse to believe that Islam can permit such a gross injustice.
I am sorry.
Harm or no harm is irrelevant.
Sex without consent is gross injustice.
Simple as that. 
I think scholars have got it all wrong.