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    Modest Muslim reacted to AbuHurairah in Kafir Asked Me These, How Do I Respond?   
    Tell him of the Sahaba that gave up on luxuries for the sake of Allah (SWT), how they suffered persecution and starvation in the early days of the Revelation. Remaining a pagan would've fulfilled both in ample amount, and Muhammad (SAWS) himself refused all bribes when it came to abandoning the mission given unto him by Allah (SWT).  

    1) He was, as evidenced by the people of Madinah requesting that he become their ruler. 2) His detractors were "simple, carnal, fighting types" as well, Arabia was what it was, and not least on account of the Kufr they perpetuated.

    Aside from the Qur'an being the Prophet's (SAWS) miracle, he performed other miracles by Allah's (SWT) permission, like the splitting of the moon and pouring water from his hands when the Sahaba were at risk of death by dehydration. Ask him this: why is he bothering you about miracles, if he would dismiss them as fairy tales to begin with? Could it be he's just picking whatever ammo he can find to throw at you?
    No idea what he wants, but judging by his overall lack of knowledge in Islaamic matters, it's probably nonsense.
    [2:6-7] (Saheeh International) Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.
    If he ever sees Islaam as true, it is Allah (SWT) that will lift the seal keeping him dumb and deaf. That is all.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to Rohani in Kafir Asked Me These, How Do I Respond?   
    We busily do not use words like kafir which means anyone who denies a concept that is a principle or part of the branch's of Islam so as example someone who denies that it is wajib to pray namaz. Anyways now a day's kafir connotes bad meanings like infidle which is not proper to be calling anyone.
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    Modest Muslim got a reaction from بعيد in Kafir Asked Me These, How Do I Respond?   
    Pal, first of all, we can't decide whether he's an infidel or not. He might be one of God's favorite men who is still not guided yet and who is gonna recognize the truth through you.
    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sent as a teacher. He treated us better than our parents treat us. We were little children to him. A child is taught ethics and good manners in this way: 'Go and study your books. Then you'll be given a chocolate.' Similarly, God and His Apostle taught us ethics and good morals by telling us that we will get fine rewards for our good deeds. And just like a true parent always give his child a chocolate when he studies, our guardians (God and His Apostle) will fulfill their promises as well. Moreover, we weren't promised of sex only. We were also promised of many kinds of blessings.
    Of course, many Jews and Christians acknowledged the truth of the Prophet in his lifetime. Let me list'em all.
    1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahira
    2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Salam
    3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addas
    4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraha
    Didn't he show miracles? What a stupid question! Didn't that non-Muslim study the history of Islam. Qur'an was the greatest miracle the Prophet ever produced.
    Prophecy about Ishmael, eh? He's referring to Bible and Muslims believe that Bible we have today is impure. This is what Genesis 16 tells us about Ishmael:
    'You are now pregnant
        and you will give birth to a son.
    You shall name him Ishmael
        for the Lord has heard of your misery.
    12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
        his hand will be against everyone
        and everyone’s hand against him,
    and he will live in hostility
        toward all his brothers.'
    But why do people ignore these prophecies in Genesis 17:
    'And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.'
    And these sentences from Genesis 21:
    'God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.” Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.'
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    Modest Muslim got a reaction from hasanhh in Great Plan To Sabotage The Shia Community   
    Akhbari Muslims are innovators. We have to stop this fitnah. Calling Ali's name isn't obligatory even in prayers.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to farid136547 in Justice Of Companions ( عدالت صحابه)   
    First read these narrations
    'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger () as saying; I shall be there at the Cistern before you, and I shall have to contend for some people, but I shall have to yield. I would be saying:
    My Lord, they are my friends, they are my friends, and it would be said: You don't know what innovations they made after you.
    Reference : Sahih Muslim 2297 a    http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/43/39
    Abu Huraira narrated that the Prophet () said:
    "On the Day of Resurrection a group of companions will come to me, but will be driven away from the Lake-Fount, and I will say, 'O Lord (those are) my companions!' It will be said, 'You have no knowledge as to what they innovated after you left; they turned apostate as renegades (reverted from Islam).
    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6585  http://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/81/173
    Narrated Ibn Al-Musaiyab:
    The companions of the Prophet () said, "Some men from my companions will come to my Lake-Fount and they will be driven away from it, and I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' It will be said, 'You have no knowledge of what they innovated after you left: they turned apostate as renegades (reverted from Islam).
    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6586 http://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/81/174
    Ibn 'Abbas narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
    "The people will be gathered on the Day of Resurrection bare-foot, naked and uncircumcised as they were created." Then he recited: "As we begin the first creation, we shall repeat it: A promise binding upon Us. Truly We shall do it. And the first of people to be clothed will be Ibrahim. Among my companions will be some men who are taken to the right and to the left. I will say: 'O my Lord! My companions!' It will be said: 'You do not know what they innovated after you, they continued to be apostates since you parted from them.' So I will say as the righteous worshipper said: If you punish them, they are your slaves, and if You forgive them, indeed You, only You are the Almighty, the All-Wise." (Sahih)
    Abu Huraira reported the Messenger of Allah () said:
    My people would come to me on the Cistern and I would drive away persons (from it) just as a person drives away other people's camels from his camels. They (the hearers) said: Apostle of Allah, would you recognize us? He replied: Yea, you would have a mark which other people will not have. You would come to me with a white blaze on your foreheads and white marks on your feet because of the traces of ablution. A group among you would be prevented from coming to me, and they would not meet me, and I would say: O my Lord, they are my companions. Upon this an angel would reply to me saying: Do you know what these people did after you.
    Reference : Sahih Muslim 247b  http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/2/49
    Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
    The Prophet () delivered a sermon and said, "You (people) will be gathered before Allah (on the Day of Resurrection) bare-footed, naked and uncircumcised." (The Prophet () then recited):-- 'As We began the first creation We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise We have undertaken and truly We shall do it.' and added, "The first man who will be dressed on the Day of Resurrection, will be Abraham. Lo! Some men from my followers will be brought and taken towards the left side, whereupon I will say, 'O Lord, (these are) my companions!' It will be said, 'You do not know what new things they introduced (into the religion) after you.' I will then say as the righteous pious slave, Jesus, said, 'I was a witness over them while I dwelt among them...(to His Statement)..and You are the Witness to all things.' (5.117) Then it will be said, '(O Muhammad) These people never stopped to apostate since you left them."
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
    "The Messenger of Allah () stood to deliver a Khutbah, he said: 'O you people! You will be gathered before Allah naked and uncircumcised.' Then he recited: 'As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it...' until the end of the Ayah (21:104). He said: 'The first to be clothed on the Day of Resurrection is Ibrahim. Indeed some men from my Ummah will be brought and taken from the left side, so I will say: "My Lord! My followers!" It will be said: "Indeed you do not know what they innovated after you.' So I shall say as the righteous slave said: 'And I was a witness over them while I dwelt among them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them. If You punish them, they are your slaves, and if You forgive them...' [until the end of] the Ayah (5:117 & 118) I shall be told: 'These people have not ceased turning on their heels as apostates ever since you parted from them.'"
    It was narrated that Ibn Abbas said:
    "The Messenger of Allah stood up to give an admonition and he said: 'O people, you will be gathered to Allah naked."' (One of the narrators) Abu Dawud said: "Barefoot and uncircumcised." (The narrators) Waki and Wahb said: "Naked and uncircumcised: As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. The first one to be clothed on the Day of Resurrection will be Ibrahim, peace be upon him. Then some men from among my Ummah will be brought and will be taken toward the left. I will say: 'O Lord, my companions.' It will be said: 'You do not know what they innovated after you were gone,' and I shall say what the righteous slave said: 'And I was witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily, You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.' And it will be said: 'These people kept turning away since you left them.'" (Sahih)
    Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 2087  http://www.sunnah.com/nasai/21/271
    This hadith has been narrated through other chains of transmitters on the authority of Ibn Abbas, (and) the words are:
    While Allah's Messenger () stood up to deliver a sermon, he said: 0 people, Allah would make you assemble barefooted, naked and uncircumcised (and then recited the words of the Qur'an):" As We created you for the first time, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon us. Lo! We are to perform it, and the first person who would be clothed on the Day of Resurrection would be (Hadrat) Ibrahim (peace be upon him)" and, behold! some persons of my Ummah would be brought and taken to the left and I would say: My Lord, they are my companions, and it would be said: You do not know what they did after you, and I would say just as the pious servant (Hadrat 'Isa) said:, I was a witness regarding them as I remained among them and Thou art a witness over everything, so if Thou chastisest them, they are Thy servants and if Thou for- givest them, Thou art Mighty, Wise" (v. 117-118). And it would be said to him: They constantly turned to their heels since you left them. This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Waki' and Mu'adh (and the words are):" What new things they fabricated."
    Reference : Sahih Muslim 2860 b  http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/53/70
    Qais reported:
    I said to 'Ammar: What is your opinion about that which you have done in case (of your siding with Hadrat 'Ali)? Is it your personal opinion or something you got from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? 'Ammar said: We have got nothing from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) which people at large did not get, but Hudhaifa told me that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) had especially told him amongst his Companion, that there would be twelve hypocrites out of whom eight would not get into Paradise, until a camel would be able to pass through the needle hole. The ulcer would be itself sufficient (to kill) eight. So far as four are concerned, I do not remember what Shu'ba said about them.
    حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا أَسْوَدُ بْنُ عَامِرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا شُعْبَةُ بْنُ الْحَجَّاجِ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي نَضْرَةَ، عَنْ قَيْسٍ، قَالَ قُلْتُ لِعَمَّارٍ أَرَأَيْتُمْ صَنِيعَكُمْ هَذَا الَّذِي صَنَعْتُمْ فِي أَمْرِ عَلِيٍّ أَرَأْيًا رَأَيْتُمُوهُ أَوْ شَيْئًا عَهِدَهُ إِلَيْكُمْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَ مَا عَهِدَ إِلَيْنَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم شَيْئًا لَمْ يَعْهَدْهُ إِلَى النَّاسِ كَافَّةً وَلَكِنْ حُذَيْفَةُ أَخْبَرَنِي عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ فِي أَصْحَابِي اثْنَا عَشَرَ مُنَافِقًا فِيهِمْ ثَمَانِيَةٌ لاَ يَدْخُلُونَ الْجَنَّةَ حَتَّى يَلِجَ الْجَمَلُ فِي سَمِّ الْخِيَاطِ ثَمَانِيَةٌ مِنْهُمْ تَكْفِيكَهُمُ الدُّبَيْلَةُ وَأَرْبَعَةٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ لَمْ أَحْفَظْ مَا قَالَ شُعْبَةُ فِيهِمْ ‏.‏
    Sahih Muslim
    Justice of Companions!!!
    Idalat means Justice and someone who avoid sins is Adil. And Adil will go to heaven.
    Sahabi means Everyone who visited Messenger of Allah
    Sunni believe that every muslim who is visited Muhammad Is Sahabi(companions)  And All the Sahaba are Adil ( go to heaven)  And  because all the Sahaba are Adil so  Umar and AbuBakr  are Adil  Sunni is true Islam
    So if Muawia or Ayesha causes thousands of people die by starting a war like Nahravan or Jamal they will Go to heaven
    Or If Umar and Abu Bakr kill Fatima they will go to heaven
    Sunni believe that nobody even messenger of Allah is not immaculate and sinless because there is too many sins recorded in history for Umar Abu Bakr and Usman. But they believe that all the Sahaba will go to heaven.
    They believe Allah guarantees heaven for all the companions. And as you see Muhammad said there is too many of companions who will go to hell.
    Now you answer me who is liar?
    1.       Allah  (نعوذ بالله)
    2.       Messenger of Allah
    3.       Bukhari and Muslim
    4.       Too many narrators of most reliable Sunni's book
    5.       Sunnis
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    Modest Muslim reacted to PenOfTruth in [LAWS]Question   
    ^ im pretty sure imam alhussain (as) would not like to see kids being hit like that.. pathetic.
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    Modest Muslim got a reaction from PenOfTruth in [LAWS]Question   
    Note from mod: Don't go off-topic. It's clear what type of 'hitting' the OP is talking about. Do not repeat or you'll be warned. 
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    Modest Muslim reacted to kadhim in Has Rowan Atkinson Converted To Islam?   
    Muslims are the most gullible, non-critical readers in the known universe. I've never seen a group so ready to blindly forward information along without verifying it first. This is why Sunnis are 85%. "Sunnis are right because a guy in my village said it's true and that Shias worship rocks."
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    Modest Muslim got a reaction from Goswami in Shia Islamic Ruling On Blasphemy   
    But there's a problem. The people of Pakistan are idiots. They won't listen to you. They just wanna kill you if you're against Blasphemy Law's procedure only. 
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    Modest Muslim reacted to Goswami in Shia Islamic Ruling On Blasphemy   
    yes brother . if you have listened to the lecture of tahir ul qadri in regards to salman taseer then it is great if not then you should listen. He has explained very well the issue. Salman taseer was never against penal code of blasphemy law but he was against its procedural law code . He was certainly right on his stance. this law is misused badly .
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    Modest Muslim got a reaction from 313_Waiter in Shia Islamic Ruling On Blasphemy   
    Thanks for quoting a hadith from one of our most valuable books.
    I also believe that Salman Taseer was wrongly murdered. First of all, he did never insult the Prophet. Secondly, if someone insults the Prophet, he must be pulled into the court because no individual has right to kill someone on his own.
    Moreover, Qur'an tells us that only two kinds of people can be killed i.e. murderer and insurgent.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to CLynn in Pakistan   
    Prayers for those in Pakistan devastated by a second major earthquake in as many days.
    The USGS is reporting at 6.8 magnitude earthquake in Pakistan earlier today (9/28). Some are calling this an aftershock of the 7.7-magnitude quake that struck in this same region on Tuesday, 9/24, which – according to Aljazeera – killed some 515 people and left 100,000 homeless. http://bit.ly/1fPNPgY
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    Modest Muslim reacted to Ibn Al-Ja'abi in Shia Islamic Ruling On Blasphemy   
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    السلام عليكم
    علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن حماد بن عيسى، عن ربعي، عن محمد بن مسلم عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام قال: إن رجلا من هذيل كان يسب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله فبلغ ذلك النبي صلى الله عليه وآله فقال: من لهذا، فقام رجلان من الأنصار فقالا: نحن يا رسول الله فانطلقا حتى أتيا عربة  فسألا عنه فإذا هو يتلقى غنمه فلحقاه بين أهله وغنمه فلم يسلما عليه فقال: من أنتما وما اسمكما؟ فقالا له: أنت فلان بن فلان؟ فقال: نعم، فنزلا وضربا عنقه، قال محمد بن مسلم: فقلت لأبي جعفر عليه السلام: أرأيت لو أن رجلا الآن سب النبي صلى الله عليه وآله أيقتل؟ قال: إن لم تخف على نفسك فاقتله
    'Ali ibn Ibrahim (quddis sirruhu), from his father, from Hamad ibn 'Isa, from Ruba'i, from Muhammad ibn Muslim (radhi Allah 'anh), from Abi Ja'far ('alayhi assalam), he said: Verily a man from (the tribe of) Hudhayl had abused the Messenger of God (sawa). when this reached the Prophet (sawa) he said: Who to him? So some men from the Ansar stood and said (there are two men indicated by the grammar): We on messenger of God. So they went (searching for him) until they came to a wagon (or cart) and they asked about him. And he was herding his sheep. And they found him with his family and sheep, and they did not send peace to him (they did not greet him). So he asked: Who are you two, what are your names? They said to him: Are you so-and-so son of so-and-so? He said: Yes. And they descended upon him and struck his neck (beheaded him). Muhammad ibn Muslim said: I said to Abi Ja'far ('alayhi assalam): "How do you see the one who abuses the Prophet (sawa), is he killed? He ('alayhi assalam) said: Verily if you do not fear for your self, kill him.
    Al-Kafi 7/267/33
    Wasa'il Al-Shi'ah 28/213/3
    Jami' Ahadith Al-Shi'ah 25/494
    Mabani Takmilati Minahj Al-Salihin 1/321
    Kashf Al-Lathm 10/544
    Syed Al-Khoei (quddis sirruhu): Sahih
    'Allamah Majlisi (quddis sirruhu): Hasan
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    Modest Muslim reacted to Goswami in Shia Islamic Ruling On Blasphemy   
    salman taseer was wrongly murdered . second as per shiism only an infallible has the authority over punishment.(blasphemy,apstacy.....)
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    Modest Muslim reacted to kamranrizvi84 in Great Plan To Sabotage The Shia Community   
    Thank you all for the replies.
    I think some people say that these Malangs are created by US/EU and Israel to sabotage the Shia faith as they very well know that Azadari is the tool of our faith that keeps us united. If you try to argue with these people they will immediately potray you as if you are against azadari and Imam Husain. They listen to you till the time you speak good about there actions, as soon as you try to argue with them they abuse you together as one unit. I know there is a guy in Germany (Bonn- I cant name him due to forum rules) who sponsors these so called malangs and calls them for matam etc in Germany, syria etc. This guy basically is from India (Uttar Pradesh) who manipulates the ayats and hadees and brain washes these guys. These people are totally against Taqlid and openly abuse the Ayotullah and are against Iran. They do a sajdah to Imam Husain after doing Matam. I am not sure what can be done to stop them as I am afraid  that Our children might become prey to them.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to A true Sunni in Great Plan To Sabotage The Shia Community   
    They are not Akhbari Muslims. Rather they are Nouveau Malangs who call themselves Akhbaris in order to gain some legitimacy. 
    The equivalent in Sunnis is the Wahhabis. Wahhabis call themselves Sunnis but are a actually a new creation 
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    Modest Muslim reacted to kamranrizvi84 in Great Plan To Sabotage The Shia Community   
    I am so happy to be a part of this great community where we can interact and suggest of challenges facing our community. I have a week english so pardon me. I am deeply hurt by one of  the missions going on in the west specailly in Germany which is led by some people from india. there are  multi millionaires who sponsors and brain washes people to become a part of his group who wants to create division amonsgt by giving more importance to Imam Ali , greater than Allah.
    1. There main aim is to destroy taqlid and  they openly abuse the marjahs of our times.
    2. They encourage people to say Ya Ali Madad instead of salam.
    3. They ask people to receite ali un walliullah in tashaud.
    4. The name of their new born babies are like Ali Rab.
    I do not know how to react to such missions.
    Proof? [EDITED]
    If you clearly look into the friend list of this guy and his posts you would realise what this guy is upto.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to Hoppsan in Negotiations With Taliban   
    I think I agree with this. I.e it is OK to refer to God if you are a believer. If you are not it would be hypocricy.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to The Green Knight in Negotiations With Taliban   
    ^ I know. Its just the fact that some snakes are far more poisonous than others.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to muneermosvi in Negotiations With Taliban   
    There is an old saying"He who digs a well, gets himself inside" this came true for pakistan.....Pakistan backed taliban (as directed by CIA) to counter soviets...later they use them against India.Now this beast(TTP) is out of control and is causing death and destruction to their masters(ISI). Frankley speaking this is an open war between ISI VS RAW(india intellgence wing). ISI used them earlier against INDIA and now India is using them against Pakistan.Between this the innocent people of pakistan are suffering specially minorties(Shia).....
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    Modest Muslim reacted to kadhim in Negotiations With Taliban   
    There's only one way to make peace with the Taliban:
    carpet H-bomb the entire NWFP. Taliban will never give anyone any trouble ever again.
    I'm kidding, by the way. Kind of. Unfortunately you can't incinerate sticky problems like that away.
    Would be nice if you could though.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to Wahdat in Negotiations With Taliban   
    Its money that fuels (finances) Talib activities and not faith. Yes the Saudis might support for quasi-faith reasons (against Shia Iran) but those in Pakistan do so purely for monetary reasons as payments from US in Billions makes for a good chunk of Pakistan's economy. Faith, religion, Islam etc are mere slogans for the fools who often end up becoming first sacrifice of this inhumane con.
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    Modest Muslim got a reaction from haideriam in Negotiations With Taliban   
    Brother, terrorists are idiots who believe that everybody in this world must either convert to their creed or get killed by them. They have no brain. They don't know what Islam is. They don't know what Qur'an is. They think that what their (so-called) scholars have told them is Islam and as debates and discussions are haram in their ridiculous jurisprudence, they demand simple obedience and behead those who deny. Homosexuality? They kill homosexuals however homosexuals are patients who deserve our sympathy because they're in a mental state of unbalance. Women? They believe that women can't read/write and women can't get out of their home however women can even trade in markets with men and become Prime Minister of a country. Punishment? They kill innocents on petty issues. They're animals. They're dogs who have gone mad. If you were in Afghanistan in 1990s, you would've known how evil these terrorists are. These terrorists must be killed. Christians? It's their right to preach Christianity and convert non-Christians to their religion. Atheists? They are allowed to publicly propagate that there's no god because freedom of faith's allowed in Islam. Muhammad (pbuh) was a liberal religious person. Even if a man criticizes the Prophet publicly, we can't stop him unless he insults him because criticism's our right. Hijab of your face isn't obligatory. Peace? Taliban believe that peace can be established only if all human beings in this world become just like them. Do you want to make peace with'em now? They won't listen to you unless you convert to their religion, brother. They are infidels. They are not after Islam. They are after their own desires which they disguise as Islam.
    Pal, it's Pakistan Muslim League (N) and some other pseudo-religious political parties. They wanna protect Taliban. Majority of Pakistanis wanna behead these scums. These terrorists have made place in all departments. Thus, they're in army as well.
    Well, I believe that those who support Taliban have no intention to gain some monetary advantage. They support Taliban just because of their faith. Faith makes a man blind.
    Darth Vader, I would dare disagree with you, brother. Whether they belong to Afghanistan/Pakistan, terrorists are terrorists. They appear with variant names but they're all same. Taliban, Al Qaeda, Sipah e Sahaba, Lashkar e Jhangvi, Jundallah, Ansar al Mujahidin etc.
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    Modest Muslim reacted to The Green Knight in Negotiations With Taliban   
    @Hoppsan: You're mistaking the TTP (Tehreek-e-Taliban, Pakistan) with the Afghan Taliban. There is a big difference between them in terms of moral values. The TTP are the same rabid wild boar like the ones in Syria. Thugs, murderers and scum of the region turned mercenaries and paid in dollars and in touch with their foreign masters with Thuraya satellite phones. The Afghan Taliban are different. Both share no mutual interests. The latter fight American occupation forces in Afghanistan as they fought the Soviets.
    On topic:
    The state has negotiated before with them. They were given control of Swat region to implement their sharia, which is what they claimed to be their objective. But they did not stick to their end of the deal. They caused so much death, brigandry and grief that a military operation in Swat region became necessary.
    These clown politicians should learn from the past. The biggest problem the establishment has to face is the Wahabi extremists who have infiltrated military intelligence, the ISI, and it has been there since decades, as they used these extremist criminals to maraud and cause havoc and pestilence in Indian occupied Kashmir and in Afghanistan. The generals of old wanted a Afghanistan free of Indian influence selfishly for self preservation. Now that link can not be terminated. Now the Wahabi terrorists have a political party, the PML-N, army chief and the chief justice is their own.
    The government is in fact beating about the bush with the problem, trying to score political and diplomatic points with stupid stunts like this one. On the ground they are aiding terror and the genocide of Shia. Since they have come into power they have ordered most of the Shia officers serving in the law enforcement and other government outfits to be transferred to Quetta where they are killed off by their pet terrorists. Now Quetta and Balochistan are a novel sort of a mess. All the scum fled down to Balochistan during the Waziristan operations. The British MI already ran the anti-Iran terror force called "Jundullah" based in Quetta city. All these cut throats and militants joined them then. They started butchering the Hazara people and police officials and authority figures over there since then. No clean up operation has ever been planned, authorized or taken place in Balochistan. And it won't be. To make things more ambitious they have allocated some right to the Gwadar naval port in Balochistan to the Chinese and let them in there too, in order to further stress the relation between the two countries and possibly have them involved in the mess to their south and, as they love to say, "to bleed" the Chinese (like the bled the Soviets during the Afghan Jihad).
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