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lightOfMonotheism

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  1. If this isn't kufr then there is no such thing as kufr. I swear to Al Rahman Al Rahim that you are kuffar. You are twisting the Quran with your shirk and paganism trying to make Muhammad a demi-godish being. 48:10 is relevant to 4:80 He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah ; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian. Muhammad(saw) is a messenger and a prophet. The Message is from Allah (swt). Muhammad (saw) makes the message clear. [We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought. This does not make Muhammad any type of god. Ya Allah! You are denying Allah attributes. From where did you get this? His real name is Ahmed Ismail Gata and his an kaffir :shifty:.
  2. I gave an example of the Prophet forbiding an animal from being eaten :) You have misunderstood Islam badly.Which is why i suggest you stop bringing in the Quran when debating/dialoguing Christianity. The Sunnah is also "divine" 10:15 And when Our verses are recited to them as clear evidences, those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Bring us a Qur'an other than this or change it." Say, [O Muhammad], "It is not for me to change it on my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day."
  3. We are not talking about disgrace to God or not :) And according to your NT the formula in mt 28:19 was never used :)
  4. Did you forget your cult has no importance about what is sahih and what is not ;)
  5. Your marjas condemn these people??? These people are your marjas(Shirazi) lol.
  6. Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. 7:157 Also check 16:44 and 16:64 The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade the meat of donkeys on the day of the battle of Khaybar.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5202) The Quran and the Sunnah are sisters and cannot be seperated. The argument "well the Quran doesnt say that" is invalid. The Quran and the Sunnah are like the Torah(Quran) and the nevim and ketuvim(Sunnah). Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5 On the day of Pentecost the role of the Holy Spirit changed. To ignore that is to ignore the main point...your choice, of course. This is not Biblical nor is it a orthodox(not the church) Christian belief. Matter in fact it makes you a heretic according to the belief of the majority.And even your heretical belief is not relevant to the baptism formula.
  7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD8MoSFO44k Anwar Nomania p 211 It has been narrated that the sparrow loves Abu Bakr and Umar and its Sunni. It should be killed in any way possible and executed and then eaten”. Let me correct your sentence. Unless you want to include Ismailis and Zaydis, durūz and those who follow the Bahaí Faith as Shia. Those(The media) who label Osama bin laden as terrorist also labels Hassan Nasrallah as a terrorist :). And those(The media) who label Al Qaeda as Terrorist also Lebel Hezbollah as terrorists. The governments of the U.S., Netherlands, France,U.K., Australia, Canada classify Hezbollah as a terrorists.
  8. The pentecost is irrelevant to the topic. Quoting Eusebius is babble? Acts 2:38 Jesus gave the formula. Peter didnt follow the formula. No where in the bible was the formula in Matthew 28:19 mentioned to be changed.
  9. From http://gift2christians.wordpress.com/ Although some extraordinary circumstances are claimed of Paul – such as his persecution of Christians, his conversion, his miraculous release from prison in Rome (Acts 16:26), his being hunted down by some 200 soldiers, 70 horsemen and 200 spearmen (Acts 23:23), his shipwreck (Acts 27) and his founding of several churches around the Mediterranean – this figure nonetheless makes it into no known historical text of the day. (By Acharya (Source) ) One is informed by Acts that St Paul’s early day stance was as “Saul, the Christian persecutor”. Yet if Saul really was a vigilante for orthodox Judaism at the time of Stephen’s stoning (Acts 7.58-8.3), becoming the chief persecutor of Christians, no less – one wonders just where was Saul, not long before, when a supposed radical rabbi called Jesus was stirring up whole towns and villages? (Ken Humphreys (source)) The trail-blazing Christian missionary and apostle, St Paul, appears nowhere in the secular histories of his age (not in Tacitus, not in Pliny, not in Josephus, etc.) Though Paul, we are told, mingled in the company of provincial governors and had audiences before kings and emperors, no scribe thought it worthwhile to record these events. The popular image of the saint is selectively crafted from two sources: the Book of Acts and the Epistles which bear his name. Yet the two sources actually present two radically different individuals and two wildly divergent stories. Biblical scholars are only too familiar with the conundrum that chunks of Paul’s own story, gleaned from the epistles, are incompatible with the tale recorded in Acts but live with the “divine mystery” of it all. Perish the thought that they might recognize the whole saga is a work of pious fiction. (Ken Humphreys (source)) The Paul of Acts is a team player in stark contrast, the Paul of the Epistles is a bombastic maverick. (Ken Humphreys (source)) A Catholicised sainthood was the ultimate fate of our hero Paul but from where did the super-apostle arise? If, as seems likely, Marcion created what would become the New Testament Paul as a messenger for his own ideas, he almost certainly used biographical material from his own life, particularly the power struggle he waged with the collective in Rome. Marcion, like “Paul”, alone knew the truth, a mystery made manifest to him by revelation.(Ken Humphreys (source))
  10. Your attacking Paul now, your logic have some problems in it. You use Paul as an argument for baptizing in the name of Christ alone and now when it turn around you say well he was never told to go out. Are yous saying Matthew 28:19 was exclusive for the 12? Or are you saying Peter never told Paul about the formula. The pentecost is not relevant to what we are talking about. And even if you want to accept it then its not a change its an abrogation. Ignorance? I have yet to see a good argument against it. All you and your father did was bable about the pentacost and if you compare this to that you never brought any scriptual evidence for your case and the quote from Acts only strenghts the argument that Matthew 28:19 is a forgery besides all the ms evidence. Im sorry to say but you are being very ignorant and not accepting Matthew 28:19 as a forgery
  11. No not really. As from the Bible it self it makes clear distinction between the 3. And Jesus mention clearly to baptize in the name of all 3 without any bugs. That when they heard Paul and where baptized in the name of Christ alone strengthens the argument that Matthew 28:19 is a forgery.
  12. No my friend it is your poor understanding of the Quran. The meaning of confirmation is about the laws and prophecies this does not include it is free from corruption as i showed you Muhammad own words saying the Bible has been corrupted. Nope he said And acts proves this is a forgery unless you want to accept Peter disobeyed. The verse does not have to do anything with the trinity so the Catholic church could have changed it with other things in mind. And check each of the manuscripts used and their dating ;)
  13. One cannot prove the new testament is inspired from the Bible itself as 2 tim 3:16 is only talking about the Tanakh. The first time we hear about any of the gospels in the history books is from Papias. "All the evidence indicates that the words of Jesus were authoritative in the Church from the first, and this makes it the more remarkable that such scanty attention is paid to the words or works of Jesus in the earliest Christian writings, Paul's letters, the later Epistles, Hebrews, Revelation, and even Acts have little to report about them... Papias (ca. AD 130), the first person to actually name a written gospel, illustrates the point. Even though he defends Mark's gospel (Euseb. Hist. III.xxxix.15-16), and had himself appended a collection of Jesus tradition to his 'Interpretation of the Oracles of the Lord' (Euseb. Hist. III.xxxix.2-3), his own clear preference was for the oral tradition concerning Jesus, and the glimpses that Eusebius provides of Papias' Jesus tradition give no hint of his dependence on Mark. Neither do the more frequent citations of Jesus in the APOSTOLIC FATHERS, largely 'synoptic' in character show much dependence on our written gospels." [The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Supplementary Volume, p. 137] "All the evidence indicates that the words of Jesus were authoritative in the Church from the first, and this makes it the more remarkable that such scanty attention is paid to the words or works of Jesus in the earliest Christian writings, Paul's letters, the later Epistles, Hebrews, Revelation, and even Acts have little to report about them... Papias (ca. AD 130), the first person to actually name a written gospel, illustrates the point. Even though he defends Mark's gospel (Euseb. Hist. III.xxxix.15-16), and had himself appended a collection of Jesus tradition to his 'Interpretation of the Oracles of the Lord' (Euseb. Hist. III.xxxix.2-3), his own clear preference was for the oral tradition concerning Jesus, and the glimpses that Eusebius provides of Papias' Jesus tradition give no hint of his dependence on Mark. Neither do the more frequent citations of Jesus in the APOSTOLIC FATHERS, largely 'synoptic' in character show much dependence on our written gospels." [The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Supplementary Volume, p. 137] The books [canonical gospels] are not heard of till 150 A.D., that is, till Jesus had been dead nearly a hundred and twenty years. No writer before 150 A.D. makes the slightest mention of them." (Bronson, C. Keeler,A Short History of the Bible) The earliest manuscript of the NT is P52 (125CE) Jesus did not speak Greek but Aramaic yet the Gospels are in greek causing even more problems. “The number of deliberate alterations made in the interests of doctrine is difficult to assess.” [Bruce M. Metzger's "The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption and Restoration", 1964] “It is difficult to know whether the words or sayings attributed to Jesus are written exactly as he spoke them. (St. Joseph Medium Size Edition, p.23) All the authors of all the 4 Gospels are unknown. In AD 303, a quarter of a century earlier, the pagan emperor Diocletian had undertaken to destroy all Christian writings that could be found. As a result Christian documents- especially in Rome- all but vanished. When Constantine commissioned new versions of these documents, it enabled the custodians of orthodoxy to revise, edit, and rewrite their material as they saw fit, in accordance with their tenets in accordance with their tenets. It was at this point that most of the crucial alterations in the New Testament were probably made and Jesus assumed the unique status he has enjoyed ever since. The importance of Constantine's commission must not be underestimated. Of the five thousand extant early manuscript versions of the New Testament, no complete edition pre-dates the fourth century. The New Testament, as it exists today, is essentially a product of fourth-century editors and writers – custodians of orthodoxy, ‘adherents of the message’, with vested interests to protect. (Michael Baigent, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, pp. 388-389) The author of Matthew and Luke copied from Mark and other source commonly called Q. If a christian says that the 4 canonical gospels are inspired then how can he deny that the non cannoncal are not inspired aswell seeing as all the gospels have unknown authors. Yes they were. Narrated Zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari: Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Qurra' were killed). 'Umar was present with Abu Bakr who said, 'Umar has come to me and said, The people have suffered heavy casualties on the day of (the battle of) Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among the Qurra' (those who know the Qur'an by heart) at other battle-fields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost, unless you collect it. And I am of the opinion that you should collect the Qur'an." Abu Bakr added, "I said to 'Umar, 'How can I do something which Allah's Messenger has not done?' 'Umar said (to me), 'By Allah, it is (really) a good thing.' So 'Umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his proposal, till Allah opened my bosom for it and I had the same opinion as 'Umar." (Zaid bin Thabit added:) Umar was sitting with him (Abu Bakr) and was not speaking. me). "You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you (of telling lies or of forgetfulness): and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger. Therefore, look for the Qur'an and collect it (in one manuscript). “By Allah, if he (Abu Bakr) had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would not have been harder for me than what he had ordered me concerning the collection of the Qur'an. I said to both of them, "How dare you do a thing which the Prophet has not done?" Abu Bakr said, "By Allah, it is (really) a good thing. So I kept on arguing with him about it till Allah opened my bosom for that which He had opened the bosoms of Abu Bakr and Umar. So I started locating Qur’anic material and collecting it from parchments, scapula, leaf-stalks of date palms and from the memories of men (who knew it by heart). (Sahih Bukhari,Kitabul Tafir, Hadith 4603) No one could be more realible then Abu Bakr and Umar. Yes he was. If your going to deny revelation and call it Hallucination then why are you not an atheist? A similar case can be made to attack Paul seeing Jesus in damascus he was Hallucinating in the desert and since he was hearing so much about Jesus he thought he heard him. Seeing as your gospels make the worst historical mistakes possible to make i see why you belive its impossible to prove Christianity. People witnessed him receiving his revelation. "I saw the Prophet being inspired Divinely on a very cold day and noticed the sweat dropping from his forehead (as the Inspiration was over)".(Bukhari)
  14. I didnt know that you was an unitarian. The Quran confirms what came before not that the scripture has not been corrupted. Dont misrepresent my Book. Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)" 2:77-79 But do they not know that Allah knows what they conceal and what they declare? And among them are unlettered ones who do not know the Scripture except in wishful thinking, but they are only assuming. So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. And in the end of the video what do i say(at 3:30-40)? I am proving either matthew 28:19 has been edited or Peter disobeyed. There is overwhelming proof Matthew 28:19 has been edited using Origen and the fact that the earliest MS that exists did not contain the verse. It was added by trinitarians just as they added 1 john 5:7 As long as you agree Matthew 28:19 has been changed from in my name to the three then no i dont think so. More over this is an argument against trinitarians seeing as you are not one i dont think its the best topic to debate with an unitarian/JW. Matter infact unitarians use the same argument that i did against Matthew 28:19 if not this is an unitarian argument.
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