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Ebn Tie me yeah

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  1. Imam hanbal might have counted in Ali as fourth but it was the Iraqi abu hanifa who was most likely the most pro-Alid of all their Imams given some of his Iraqi tutors were companions of Ali himself

     

     
    That may be accurately in the political sense. As far as the Hanafi fiqh is concerned it is far removed from the teachings of Aale Muhammad. But then again, the disciples of Abu Hanifa over-ruled the opinions of their teacher. Abu Yusuf became a satrap of the Abbasids, the Hanafi school then transformed itself to a sort of government rubber stamp. Kufa is not always 100% Shii'. There are the rich loyalist who would go to any extent in following the Ummayad caliphs and the Abbasids. 
     
    Abu Hanifa is famous for being silent on Yazeed ibn Mawiya, that must explain many things. The only sincere Sunni school is that of the Madinan Imam Malik, for whom i have special regard. Imam Malik has been sincere to the teachings of Islam and stood up for Ahlul Bayt. 
  2. sunnism as we know it today is largely the brainchild of umar b Abdul Aziz

     

     

    I do not agree with that. I am sure you are aware regarding the revolt by Imam Zayd ibn Ali (AS) against Banu Ummaya. Whatever Umar bin Abdul Aziz (RA) did was reversed by his successors including the disputed Fadak hamlet. I believe it is accurate to say that only during the time of Imam Hanbal that Ameer ul Mumineen (AS) was some-what rehabilitated as the new fourth "righteous caliph". Sunnism crystallized much later.

     

    I agree with you that Imamis tend to over-emphasize the "blame game" on Abu Bakr and Umar. I am doubtful whether the Sheikhyn really did what was reported in the narrations. My understanding is that the Ummayads introduced many innovations into Islam such as saying "Ameen" loudly, Qabd, etc.

     

    They tried to legitimize their claim by pointing fingers to Umar ibn Al-Khattab, They soon raised the two as super-heros of Islam purely to dismiss the claim made by the Alids. At the end of the day, if you remove that three individuals there will be nothing left of Islam (ie Sunnism) 

  3. @Panzerwafee

     

    Good reply i do agree with you. But you must see this way, there are thousands of narrations from Tabeen and Sahaba coming from massive collection ahadith of the Sunnis. I do not dispute that. 

     

    However those thousands of narrations do not have any impact on the so-called Sunni sect. The Giant Sunni sect rests on four pillars namely Abu Huraira, Ayesha, Anas, Ibn Umar and you can consider Ibn Abbas bearing some impact (due to Abbasid influence). Abu Huraira, Anas bin Malik were solely promoted by the Banu Ummaya since day one due to their allegiance to that faction. Narrations from Ayesha were implanted by the Zubairi faction represented by Shihab Al-Zuhri. Ibn Umar is probably the only slightly neutral source although he is known to be loyal to Banu Ummaya. In a nutshell you can safely say that Sunnism is product of the joint venture between the Ummayad and Zubayri factions and one thing common to them is definitely Nasb.

     

     

    We all know that so-called four pillars were not really Sahabi in the truest sense. They were merely juvenile companions (if you may consider that), teenagers that were in the company of the Holy Prophet (SAWA) more than their own age.  

  4. the companions of first 2 shia Imams are more influential in Sunni

     

     

    So that explains why they call someone Ameer and do taraddi for that person who beheaded a close companion of the 1st Imam. Those individuals only came in because of the phrase "tabeen" and "Sahaba" were used. Ask any Sunni who would recognise lets say Amir bin Hamiq (RA), a great Badri companion.  This whole thing about companion based Islam is the invention of Banu Ummaya, projecting their version of how Islam should have been to the past and then somehow trying to connect it with the present. 

  5. Each and every verse is significant to its placement.

     

     

    Allama Tabatabai himself admitted that about the defects in the arrangement of the Quran. 

     

    This view is strengthened by the fact that most, if not all the traditions describing the reason of its revelation - and there are a lot of such traditions - particularly talk about the words of Allah, "This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion…", without hinting even once to the beginning of the verse, that is: Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself…This proves that the Divine words, "This day have those who disbelieve…", were independently revealed and have no connection with the preceding or the following verses. Thus, the present positioning of this speech in the middle of the verse will have to be attributed either to the Prophet (s.a.w.) or to the compilers of the Qur'an after him.

     

     

     

    He did not delve much into the question I have raised. There are other Shii Mufasireen who actually raised important points: 

     

    The fact is that the verse on completion has nothing to do with the prohibition on food, so how can it be placed in the centre? 

     

    The other Shia mufasireen said that a Furo' cannot complete the religion. 

  6. Al-Haidary has said many things, he even said Al-Kulayni compiled a book of fatawa ie Al-Kafi. 

     

    Just because you find buyoot and followed by Bayt, it does not justify the fact that both of the parts of the verse were NOT revealed together. Infact if you understand Arabic, the purification part seems misplaced. It was certainly placed with some other agenda. 

     

    If you doubt me, look at Surah 5:3 

     

    Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

     

    I have not dissected the verse and removed this part shown below, now read it without it 

     

    This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.

     

    Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience.  But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

     

     

     

    This will be sufficient for those with intellect!

  7. Waris, Asalamualaikum, 

     

    Brother, apparently people have bombarded you with information. Our religion does not depend on attacking the personalities whom you adore. 

     

    As a Sufi I can appreciate your mindset. We have a huge corpus of supplication which you may want to look at. There is a particular reason why I am asking you to do so, we have the largest collection of supplication within Islam, no other school comes even close to us which includes the Sufis. We have a huge spiritual reserve. 

     

    The book you may want to look into is called Mafatih Al-Jinan. Read the supplication and in particular Dua Kumayl. After reading the dua you will realise who was the real spiritual successor of the Prophet (sawa) and then ask yourself did your Imams (Abu Bakr & Umar) leave behind any supplication that can benefit you in the hereafter? 

     

     

    As for the questions you asked, do you believe the Ahlul Bayt has been oppressed? 

  8. The most inappropriate of things to be brought up in a Shii forum. There is no doubt Yazeed (LA) murdered Imam Hussayn (as). 

     

     
    He (عليه السلام) said, ‘Three are the worst of creations, which afflicted the best of the creations,
    1.    Abū Sufyān, he fought the Messenger of Allāh and hated him (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)
    2.    Mu`āwiyah, he fought `Alī (عليه السلام) and hated him (عليه السلام)
    3.    Yazīd b. Mu`āwiyah, may Allāh curse him, he fought al-Ḥusayn b. `Alī (عليه السلام) and hated him until he killed him (عليه السلام)

    This is taken from Al-Kafi Volume 8. Graded as Hasan, you see Nader Zaweri's page

  9. Ali(ra) said, “By Allah, if we asked Allah’s Apostle for it (i.e. the Caliphate) and he denied it us, the people will never give it to us after that. And by Allah, I will not ask Allah’s Apostle for it.”

     

     

     

    So according to your sect, Ameer ul Mumineen (as) was power hungry and even if the Prophet (sawa) denied Ameer ul Mumineen (as), he would still try and only the "people" will stop it. What do you think of Imam Ali (as)?

     

    These "people" were only interested to deny the right to Ahlul Bayt but was silent when the Prophet's son Imam Hussayn (as) was murdered. Where was these people?

    Your Bukhari is a nasibi!

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    "see how `Ali (رضي الله عنه) praises `Uthman (ra)"

    What can we do if a bunch of liars narrate such things about Ameer ul Mumineen (عليه السلام) and his praise for the Taghyun. 

    I want to ask all those Ummavis (aka Sunnis), tell me from your narration who murdered Usman bin Affan and what were their affiliations?

  11. This is too illogical. If there "were different" Qurans, than why is it that we don't see them? For the past 1400 years we've only and only seen one type of the quran

     

     

    Read history, we have gone though destructive wars, shi'as were hunted down like rats by the Ammi rulers. Many many knowledgeable shias were murdered and Ahlul Bayt were oppressed. 

     

    This discussion is what i term as "high level". I will stop here, if you want to go along logical lines i can do that, if you want me to go through hard facts i can do that also but this is not the forum. 

  12. This is the verse: 

     

    إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ 

    Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian. [15:9]

     

    I think the verse is open to several interpretations, don't you think? 

     

     

     

    This the verse often quoted by contemporary scholars. This is a free standing verse, there is no further explanation provided on how the Quran can be protected. 

     

     

    The contemporary compilation of the Quran that we have now was compiled by fallible individuals, the most popular belief we have now is the fact the current Quran we have dates back to the recession of Caliph Uthman Bin Affan not that of Imam Ali (as). If the current Quran was compiled by Ameer ul Mumineen (as), can this be proven?

     

    In another word, Caliph Uthman bin Affan was divinely inspired and guided by Allah so that Quran is safeguarded.

     

    I know this will be hard for shias to accept but this is the only solution.

  13. Also, if the modern Quran, which is unchanged for 1400 years is not perfect, then why didn't the Imams (a.s.) bother to teach their students and companions to memories or compile the Quran in the order that it is meant to be?

     

     

    Have you read Al-Kafi?

     

    you initially asked the order of chapters then you went on about 33:33 !!!!!

     

     

    Not need to be alarmed, there was a shia scholar who believed that the verse of purification has been "misplaced" in the Quran after the verse regarding the wives. 

     

    Author of “al-Murajiat” Abdhulhussain al-Musawi said:

    “Although we are convinced that no distortion has taken place in the verses of the Noble Qur’an and that our heavenly Book has not been tampered with in any way, it is by no means clear that the arrangement and recension of the verses is precisely that in which they were revealed. For it is quite possible that the ‘purification verse’ concerning the People of the House was revealed separately and then, when the verses of the Qur’an were being assembled, was placed in the middle of the verses relating to the wives of the Prophet, 
    either in error or deliberately
    .”

     

    Anyhow, the forum rules disallows any member to discuss on this issue. Lets drop it here. 

  14. the proto-sunnis were cut off from the guidance of Ameer ul Mumineen (as). 

     

    Only after a century later he was incorporated as the 4th Rightly Guided Caliph. Ahlul Sunnah was coined and perfected by the Ummayad oppressors and in particular Hujjaj bin Yusuf Al-Thaqafi (la). 

     

    Ameer ul Mumineen (as) has to be re-moulded to fit into this patchy framework of Caliphs and also the newly crystallised concept of "the justice of the Sahaba"

     

    Most of the narrations from the Amma (modern day sunni) which does not come through the Shi'as of Ameer ul Mumineen (as) is mostly fabricated. 

     

     

    Due to the political upheaval, many in Syria did not know how to perform Salah and ignorance prevailed. Islam has gone through deadly civil wars to the extent the Kabbah was demolished. Bear that in mind.

  15. There was a question posted on the order of the Quran, his eminence Ayatollah Al-Hakeem replied in the following manner:  

     

    How do I know that the order of revelations (Surahs) in the Quran are in correct order, or legitimate? Where is the proof they are in order beginning with Al-Alaq and so forth?

     

    Answer: We are not certain of the sequence of the verses’ revelations. We are sure of the fact that the Quran is the current contemporary one.

     

     

     

    Only after the zuhoor of Qaim (as), we would able to confirm this issue, Allah knows best

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