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  1. 9 points
    @Ibn al-Hussain Jazakallah dear brother for your time and effort in translating this important work and also for explaining some of the factors and methods in this thread in clear and simple terms which can be understood by the layman. This is very much appreciated. As aspiring followers of the ahlulbayt (as) it is quite obvious that we must continuously strive to uphold what is true and correct and distance ourselves from misrepresentations and misportrayals. May Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى guide us all
  2. 4 points
    I better start working out and getting in shape......for the walk
  3. 4 points
    I am not justifying their reasoning and conclusions, I am empathizing with them. My issue was trying to belittle their efforts to a simple "they want to eat haram and halal" which shows how grossly misunderstood and misjudged their efforts and quest for seeking the truth are and making those judgements and belittling their efforts simply cuts off any further hope of their return. I have dealt with a number of Shi'i youth over the past 2-3 years (primarily in my own city) for hours, who are or were literally on the verge of apostasy or apparently live like Muslims, and some who have actually apostatized. Some of them are desperate for answers and are not stupid, they have very legitimate questions and concerns. Most of them will not publicize their apostasy either (not until they feel safe and independent enough). You should also keep an eye out on the latest trend of ex-Muslim videos (both ex-Shia and ex-Sunni) that have become popular on the internet where many of them will bring these sort of stories and exaggerations out as one of their criticisms against Muslims. While I have my issues with their reasoning and try to point it out to them whenever I converse with them, this does not mean that are serious internal issues we have that we need to fix up. This, of course, does not mean that there are no apostates who simply want to "enjoy life" and "eat halal and haram". The issue isn't necessarily about understanding history (though that could be an issue as well at times), rather about "making up" history and claiming those events and descriptions to have "occurred". There is no doubt different generations "understood" their history and their religious texts differently and interpreted them in various ways, but we are talking about claims to events occurring. @ShiaMan14 to me it is looking like there is a communication break down between us - you are not understanding what I am saying which is fine, maybe others and future interested readers will appreciate the contents of this thread and see for themselves who is putting forth a better argument and judge for themselves. Otherwise, I am not really understanding your points and response here and don't really know what you are going on about. Furthermore, not one place did I ever write the statement you attributed to me: Some have apostatized out of the religion because of inaccuracies in the narrations of Karbala. Go and read the original paragraph again, after talking generally about elaborate details, exaggerations and lies in religious narratives, and citing the number of enemies as only one example within brackets to show that this specific instance is not what is relevant, I wrote: "Some have even apostatized out of Islam for this reason (or at least this is one of the factors that pushes them out)." Likewise @S.M.H.A. I am not sure what you are trying to get at with posting al-Islam excerpts or links to previous threads. Wasalam
  4. 3 points
    Recently a booklet of around 50 pages was published, researched and written by Muḥammad Tehrānī (researcher and teacher at the Hawzah) in which he goes over numerous accounts related to Āshūrā that are popularly retold from the pulpits or are part of our eulogies. In this work he mentions just over 90 such reports. Majority of them are not found in earlier reliable historical or maqātil literature at all. As a matter of fact, a lot of them are found in works considered seriously weak and problematic. Two famous works which many scholars have called out as problematic and which include a lot of fabrications and lies are Rawḍah al-Shuhadā of Kashifī (written 850 years after the battle of Karbala) and Tadhkirah al-Shuhadā of Mullā Ḥabībullah Sharīf Kashānī (written 1280 years after the battle of Karbala). Some of the accounts we hear today only first appear in one of these two works. The actual booklet mentions these popular, yet unreliable accounts, and gives further details regarding them, including its sources if there are any and what is problematic about them. It is also interesting to note how late some of these accounts appear only for the first time and how quickly they became popular. Of course, not all of these accounts are retold by everyone and neither are they told in gatherings organized by all ethnicities. In fact, some of these are only popular in Iranian gatherings and unheard of in gatherings held by other ethnicities. What follows below is simply a brief table of contents of what is further explained in the booklet. It can be seen that a very high percentage of stories often heard from the pulpits and in poetry can only be traced back to weak and problematic sources and often times are mere fabrications and imaginations of individuals. Continue Reading: http://www.iqraonline.net/popular-unreliable-accounts-related-to-ashura/
  5. 3 points
    Assalamu alaikum sister @Miss Wonderful, Since I am a student,please make dua on my behalf that Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى may increase my ilm, may deepen my taqwa and help me strive towards zuhd. Barakallahu feeki.
  6. 3 points
    TRA

    I'm doing duas for anyone who wants!

    Please pray for my daughter's marriage of her liking
  7. 3 points
    Lying is not immoral? First time I heard that one. No one is arguing against polygamy. What people argue against is selfish and disgusting men who ruin the lives of multiple people (women and children) for their own desire. What is cheating is Muslim men who claim to be followers of the sunnah yet find lying (which is cheating/remarrying without your partner's mere knowledge) completely halal and moral. In what world is lying and hurting someone's feelings, and treating them with utmost disrespect halal? Did the prophet (saw) ever treat Sayyeda Khadija like that? Did Imam Ali (as) ever treat Fatima-Al-Zahra like that? When either of such holy men had polygamous marriages it was with the will and consent of his existing wives at the time. Neither the Prophet nor Imam Ali ever would have treated their wives with such disrespect by cheating on them. It is a complete dishonour to commit such vile acts in the name of Islam and our Prophet (pbuh). Learn to draw the line: polygamy is halal. Lying is haram. The two do not equate to eachother.
  8. 3 points
    Dearest sister @Miss Wonderful. JazakAllah for your prayers. My daughter got the results we all hoped for and hence she will be attending the school of her choice from Sept 2019 IA. I feel so humbled and blessed. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Please kindly continue to remember both my children in your prayers. May Allah bless you my dearest sister and accept all your prayers. I prayed for your mothers good health. X
  9. 3 points
    We have a solid legal and historical precedent for commemorating and mourning the tragedy of Imam Husayn (a). But can you tell me if anywhere in the teachings of religion has it appeared that this mourning and commemoration should be done so accompanied with lies, exaggerations and fabrications? That you can construct and make up stories with elaborate details and all-out lies to the extent that today we have defaced the story so much that there is nothing left of its originality? Is there a greater tragedy than the defacing of the tragedy that has occurred? Is this supported by the religious teachings, or in fact the teachings of any religion? There is no end to this as you can see, once you begin you are eventually down a slippery slope where anyone can come and make anything up and get away with it. What started off as simple exaggerations in the earlier centuries (such as increasing the number of enemy soldiers killed), has now turned into something unrecognizable. This is truly the fault of previous generations, certain rulers and dynasties, and even a number of scholars. Unfortunately, we are having to deal with the brunt of it in the 21st century and are paying a heavy price for it as well. It has come to the point that many from the young generation find these stories absurd, thinking that these are descriptions all of us have to believe in and that they are to be accepted without any thought and reflection. Some have even apostatized out of Islam for this reason (or at least this is one of the factors that pushes them out). Alhamdolillah we have had scholars in history and contemporary times who would point these things out for the people - even at the risk of their own character assassination. Mind you, these sort of fabrications are nothing unique to the Shi'a and rather takes place amongst humans and their history or beliefs in general. The problem is, you are trying to get into an argument when you do not seem to know how historicity and historical methodologies work neither do you have a working understanding of the literature nor the language. Every historian has a methodology, sometimes very different from others. However, within Islamic scholarship, historians generally agree that there is something called murajjihat. Meaning, those factors by which they will prefer one account over another. The reason why I asked you if it is 31 or 61 is that those are conflicting numbers and to show you that you are not really able to prove or conclude anything if you have not established these factors for yourself. You need to either be able to reconcile both of those numbers, or prefer one over another in which case you need evidence to pick one of them, or you will negate one over the other, or you will simply negate both of them. I am not going to sit here and discuss historical methodologies with you when you are not yet familiar with many preliminary discussions. Well with that sort of "free" subjectivity, anyone else is also free to show others how late the version of history people are mourning over appeared so those who are a bit more concerned with their understanding of history can appreciate it. First of all his work is not the earliest record we have. I already cited 3rd-century recorded works of historians that are earlier, and most importantly the Maqtal of Abu Mikhnaf itself which is void of this specific aspect. The reason why I will not address Shaykh Saduq's tradition (which is most definitely not authentic, nor can you ever attain assurance that it was uttered by the Imam) is as I mentioned earlier. You do not have the preliminaries to understand how something is weakened and why something is preferred in Fiqh al-Hadith. I can only briefly put it for you: the tradition of Saduq, first of all, violates a principle in hadith sciences due to its extreme length (lengthier an oral report is, more chances of it containing lies) so that puts a yellow flag, if not red, on it already. Secondly, it has serious problems in its chain - unknown individuals, including three women who would have every emotional reason to further add to the story, and the main narrator is someone who was a foster brother of some of the children of Zayd b. 'Ali. Though this individual is unknown, if he had any Zaydi influence, that would also explain the exaggerations in this report since the Zaydis altered the narrative of Karbala a lot and gave it a very different perspective. Much of their alterations even entered later works like Luhoof (who was very explicitly citing Zaydi works in his Maqtal). Thirdly you should know that the Amali genre is very unique and different from other works of hadith. While historically very important and significant, there is a lot of important material in there (see this 20 page research paper which discusses the role of Amali literature in developing Maqatil literature), but you should also know that many times in these dictations and gatherings the scholars would narrate reports that were made up by story-tellers, they did not enjoy the same degree of credibility, and would become extremely lenient in narrating them (similar to what happens today in some of our gatherings). Shaykh Saduq has a number of these reports, both in his Amali and as well as other books (like in his Kamal al-Deen). This 30-page research paper specifically looks at the hadith mentioned in Amali of Shaykh Saduq and demonstrates all the problems with it. On page 14-16 he specifically discusses the problems in the numbers of enemy soldiers killed. Those who have worked and have experience in hadith and textual criticism can point some of these problems out and will appreciate this attention to detail. If you are not comfortable knowing that these discussions require a lot more attention to detail, then no one is forcing you to get involved in them. However, if you want to critique then you should at least base it on some methodology and be willing to be consistent with that methodology (to the extent possible). If you do not have a methodology and are simply doing taqleed in this matter, then you have no right to critique or refute anyone since you have no basis for it yourself (you are simply imitating a scholar or a popular opinion). If you are still interested in researching further (in case you realize that you may not have the ultimate truth in your hands) your best bet is to try and see arguments on different sides and go with that which you sincerely believe is closer to the truth. Most definitely not everything in the Maqtal of Abu Mikhnaf can be trusted. This requires historical and textual criticism which is really beyond the scope of this thread and I don't think save a few handful of individuals could even get into those discussions here and appreciate them. Yes brother, I know of this. It is mujmal (i.e. the meaning can equally be applied on multiple instances), because it does not mention where and how they were cut (during battle or afterwards as is mentioned in an earlier report from Sharh al-Akhbar). If anything due to the verb "fada akhahu" you could prefer the opinion that it was "after" he was killed - or after he had "sacrificed" (fada) his life for "his brother" (akhahu). Wasalam
  10. 2 points
    (Salam) Peace and blessings be on all of you. Any specific suggestions regarding trip to Iraq this arbaeen InshaAllah ( all major ziyaraat destinations). Thanks in advance.
  11. 2 points
    zafa

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    even if have differenet hard disk with another operating system it wont run at same time ..he would have option to select at boot up which operating system to boot with ..
  12. 2 points
    @Miss Wonderful Thanks. l have gotten some extra necessary things done. So it appears to be having an effect.
  13. 2 points
    2Timeless

    Does Islam encourage/accept cheating?

    I know he doesn't need the permission. But it's still lying. Telling your wife and children you are going to "work" or "out with friends" when in fact you're going to see your secret second family is lying. Living with either of your wives on the basis that she is the only wife is a lie. And lies are haram. The least any decent man could do is inform her so he wouldn't be sinning by lying. So, as I said, nothing wrong with polygamy, everything is wrong with cheating (lying). Not only is lying immoral but the man would be doing a huge injustice to both sides. A 50 year old man sneaking around spending time with both/all wives is not only silly, but it's not healthy. What will the children (from either woman) think when they see their father every other week and only for a short while out of fear of being exposed? What will they learn from an untrustworthy father? What kind of morals will that in turn teach the children? Will it teach them that it's okay to lie and walk over everyone you supposedly love for your selfish desires?
  14. 2 points
    Bakir

    Does Islam encourage/accept cheating?

    Maybe a lie is not the best word, but it is indeed a deceival from my perspective. In which sense? In the sense that it is a socially unexpected circumstance to take place (I may only be referring to muslims living in the West). People take for granted many things, and we all are very well aware of them. Not being honest about something they have took for granted and affects them directly is deceival, in its most negative sense. There is really no other word to describe it. To deceive is literally: To cause to believe what is not true; mislead. If the thaqalain are not enough to prove that is wrong, I realize they are either not sufficient or holistically missunderstood. There was a guy I know who used to cheat on his wife. He did mutah with other women, used to travel to do so, and that meant he wouldn't give as much money as he could to his family (who, by the way, was in need) in order to pay for the lowest women he could find (they were not prostitutes per se, but there was barely any difference). He once told me I didn't deserve any trust because I refused ro go with him searching for women to do mutah with. The family then got a dog, and he was against it. So he told them you either choose the dog or me. They chose wisely, they kept the dog and he left the house. I know his wife and his two daughters, I used to teach English to one of them. They didn't deserve that, they were awesome and patient with him, yet he acted in the most selfish way. According to the "reasonings" (and forgive the irony, but I really can't get it) given here, his behaviour was morally correct because he did halal, and this family wronged him. I can only ask myself why the heck they didn't get the dog earlier.
  15. 2 points
    Its not lying and the reality is that a man doesn't need the permission of his first wife to take a second wife, he doesn't even need to inform her. That's not to say he shouldn't consult her but that her consenting or even being informed of it is irrelevant from a legal point of view. Once again morality is defined by the thaqalayn.
  16. 2 points
    The khawarij used to have a checkpoint where they would question a person's allegiance, if they are christian or jew or atheist, they were allowed to pass with no problem, but if they were 'Shia of Ali', they were decapitated on the spot.
  17. 2 points
    Not good to generalize, because according to sunni fiqh as far as I know ( @kingkhanwc correct me if I’m wrong akhi) pictures of prophets are indeed haram. The buyers are responsible and not the entire Sunni creed, this is not good to say and is not the akhlaaq we should be using anywhere, offline or online.
  18. 2 points
    Brothers just because someone is trying to educate us and trying to move us from a world of make belief to what is relatively authentic, we do not need to be harsh or throw ridicule. Learn to argue with facts and reason and not because you heard something a hundred times without checking any of the books. The Truth being built on lies is what taints the truth and draws it further away from the people. Why do you think there is was a constant retelling of the truth for generations pre Islam. And finally why do you think so many Shias will reject the Master(atfs) of our time.
  19. 2 points
    @Ibn al-Hussain @Salsabeel @S.M.H.A. @Husayni I have been following this discussion closely. While I can appreciate the historic Outlook and perspective, I am trying to understand the purpose of this thread. We know there were thousands vs hundreds. We know there was thirst. We know Imam Hussain (as) is Syed-us-Shohada. We know Hz Abbas was his loyal standard bearer. we know it was him (+brothers) vs 50th 4000. As long as a smaller group fought larger group and won, do the numbers matter? Does the status of Imam Hussain (as) and the martyrs of Karbala get reduced if they collectively killed 88. Similarly, will you love and honor them more if they killed 880 or 8,800? Imam Hussain (as) had sons killed in Karbala. Hz Ali Asghar aka Abdullah (as) could be 6mos, 6 yes, 60 years - would still be Imam's son and still a martyr. I find these discussions to be mere diversionary tactics to take focus away from Imam Hussain (as) and his great sacrifice. Like the guy in the video said, no one knows history because no one was there.
  20. 1 point
    A thread that discusses the accounts relating to how al-Abbas {a} was martyred:
  21. 1 point
    If someone does not understand the difference between history and Hadith. Or Historical analysis and hadith/fiqi analysis. Is devoid of any theological understanding which serves as an umbrella- Person will be lost and will stay confused/agnostic- he/she can’t reach any conclusion. Using the right tool for the job is essential. Or it will lead to misguidance of self and others. Technical analysis ruined this Ummah, it is a tool to keep them confused.
  22. 1 point
    @Salsabeel Great idea, but I think at this time it might be too late to realise the plans for the coming arbaeen. If people had more time logistics could be straightened out and a group could be assembled. In my case, I won't be able to travel to Iraq for the Walk this year. I have plans to go to ziarat with my mother, on her insistence, during the 'low season' in Feb/March next year. But even that isn't final yet. Those who'd like to stay anonymous wouldn't find the idea appealing, but in our times it is becoming increasingly common to meet people with shared interests online and then continue the acquaintance/friendship in "real life." People online aren't all that anonymous and paranoid as they were during the early years of internet. Now, online has become just another way of building new networks of people. I am part of a travel group who, when it started, were all anonymous to each other, communicating through FB and Whatsapp, but with time many people met at get-togethers or met up abroad if they were travelling to the same country. Some even planned trips together. Same is true for other groups with shared interests.
  23. 1 point
    I think all this conquests thing is being evaluated from the wrong approach. In early muslim Arabia, conquests and expansions weren't dependant on some charismatic conqueror, but in the power of the leading tribe (that was Quraish). Ibn Khaldun even dared to imply that the total expansion of the muslim empire could already be estimated by the first step in that direction, and that was the unification of Arabia by Muhammad saww. The first hit decides it all, so to speak. Believing the first caliphs were great rulers is being a bit naive. The Prophet paved the way for the beginning of an empire, it was difficult that things could get worse (Quran and its expansion would set the basis of cultural progress, arab/beduin culture was humble, Islamic principles reinforced that lifestyle and encouraged progress in all directions, etc.). If any, one should evaluate rulers in bad times, and how they improve society. As for Muhammad saww, he did something much more important, which is also what Genghis Khan (that has been mentioned in this thread) did: starting an empire. You need a strong social movement and ideology for that.
  24. 1 point
    Being a shia in the West is a joyride compared to being one in most Islamic countries.
  25. 1 point
    For my iraqi brothers, in this heat of summer I hope they buy electricity from wherever they can. I wish it was not the Saudis they had to turn to, but trade is trade. The muslims from the prophets time bought their needs from kuffar all the time, think of this as the same. However, even as at that time Muslims were encouraged to become self sufficient as soon as possible, I wish the same for Iraq and am very confident Inshallah.
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