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You can find misplaced piety everywhere, amongst Shias, Sunnis, amongst people of other religions and also atheists. Your statement suggests that Shias have some sort of monopoly in this type of behaviour and that could perhaps be described as a 'misplaced generalisation'.

Salamualaykum, If you have any Dua requests, post them here, and i, and perhaps others will pray to Allah on your behalf. Please tonight, pray for my health, by studies and work, and my family. This is the most likely night of destiny (soon in my region). This is also a message that i forgive every single individual, whether i know you have done wrong to me, or i do not know. I also ask you all have it in your hearts to forgive me.

I'd say the world is more concerned with "Sunni bizarre acts" than Shi'i ones. Take a look at the Middle East.

This topic exploded in such a short time. It’s impossible for readers to catch up, (and for moderators to read), especially since posts are long and detailed. Since things seem overly heated, and it is Ramadan (don’t want people saying things they may regret), topic closed for now.

And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided. --- This verse is so clear that you can and it is better to ask Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى directly.

According to Shaikh Murtaza Ansari & Shaikh Suduq, the best aamaal during this night is to acquire religious knowledge.

God almighty...

People will defend these irrational acts simply because they fall under the category of "azadari". That word is the magic phrase to turn off everyone's brains. You see how the same people who find taraweeh to be from the devil (essentially a systematic approach to completing the Quran in the Holy Month) defend praying salah on fire. This is the world we live in today...haha

Brother, i'm showing an inferiority complex by stating some acts are so far from rational behaviour, against our Fitrah in reason and sense, and by virtue of the act in and of itself brings ridicule to the Madhab in a manner which evokes universal disgust from Shia and non-Shia alike? It might be halal to bark like dogs and crawl around shrines as some do, but is that how we carry ourselves out as rational human beings?

What's the problem with this exactly? I mean I find it very odd and I personally wouldn't do something like this. Are you saying its haram? If so according to which maraji'? You need to stop caring so much about what kuffar and nawasib think of us, that's a sign of an inferiority complex. Dare I say you need a little bit of an American attitude.

@Intellectual Resistance just follow your marja. It isn't hard. Why must everything be so difficult? If your marja says you can jump over anything, then follow him. If your marja says no, then don't. I'm not a marja, I have no say in this manner.

difference of opinion. 34. Question: If the ahlul khibra have difference of opinion in determining the a'lam mujtahid or just say that following any one from the given number of mujtahids is sufficient, can a person apply the fatwa of one mujtahid in one issue and another mujtahid in another until it becomes clear for him who is the a'lam? Answer: This question has three parts: d. First: That some ahlul khibra announce that "it is sufficient to follow one specific mujtahid or of a group of mujtahids." This has no religious value at all. e. Second: That the ahlul khibra announce that two or more mujtahids are equal in knowledge and piety (in the sense of being careful in deriving the laws [from their sources]), then a lay person has the option of acting according to the views of any one of the mujtahids in all the issues. However, as a matter of precaution (ihtiyat) in some issues, if possible, one could act in such a manner as to fulfill the requirements of both views; for example, in the case of praying concessionary qasr and full (tamam) prayers. [That is, praying the same prayer in qasr as well as in tamam forms.] f. Third: That some ahlul khibra announce that mujtahid 'a' is the a'lam whereas others among the ahlul khibra announce that mujtahid 'b' is the a'lam. This can have two situations: i. A person knows that one of the two mujtahids is the a'lam but he does not know which one specifically. This is a very unusual situation and it has been discussed in detail in Minhaju 's-Saliheen, question No. 9. ii. A person does not know which of the two is the a'lam in the sense that he thinks both are equal in knowledge. This refers back to the second of the three parts mentioned above, provided that the person is unable to identify the more Godfearing of the two mujtahids. If he is able to identify the more Godfearing of the two mujtahdis, he must follow the fatwa of that mujtahid. https://www.al-islam.org/a-code-of-practice-for-muslims-in-the-west-ayatullah-sistani/taqlid-following-jurist

Your thread is the equivalent of starting a thread like, what is better, Du'a al-Tawassul or Du'a Al-Samaat? Bro, it's a meaningless discussion.

They will be blind to every proof you give them. To them "means" specifically means Ali (as). They will use that ambiguous verse to the grave.

Okay, so what is the issue here? I don't see anyone disputing either one, two or three. All the brothers here want is for you to stop attacking them for them using waseelah when they supplicate, and you just said you also do tawassul. 1- Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى is the best one to call, but there is no issue in calling Him through his beloved creations, and it might even increase the chance of the istajaba of your Du'a. 2- Yes, but we can seek waseelah to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى to grant us those things, or ask the Imams (as) to do du'a for us in order to fulfill these things. 3- Sure. This whole thread was a non-issue created for no reason at all, and I'm sure your intention is not to annoy anyone, but there is a reason why brothers @ShiaMan14 and @Sirius_Brightare annoyed when they see these threads. You really come off as more Catholic than the Pope. Let it go bro.

Surah Ar-Rad, Verse 43: وَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لَسْتَ مُرْسَلًا قُلْ كَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ شَهِيدًا بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَكُمْ وَمَنْ عِندَهُ عِلْمُ الْكِتَابِ And those who disbelieve say: You are not a messenger. Say: Allah is sufficient as a witness between me and you and whoever has knowledge of the Book. (English - Shakir)

Who is your marja? I have my answer ready to the question above. Plus your topic is not about the last 3 seconds but in general.

Please remember each other in your duas tonight, the last and most likely of laylatul Qadr.

Absolutely and there is no doubt in this. There have always been some Shias who have sought to not out and out call the Imams 'gods' but say things like Allah the Almighty created the universe, and then left he running , delegation of sustenance, granting of all prayers to their jurisdiction. This way, they could revel in their ghuluw and exaggeration without being out and out Mushriks. This doctrine is known as Tafweed and i'm sure you've read about it: Shaykh Mufeed: CHAPTER ON EXCESS AND DELEGATION (AL-GHULUWW WA 'T-TAFWĪD) Abū Ja‘far says: "Chapter concerning the denial of Excess and Delegation." ash-Shaykh al-Mufīd says: 'Excess' (al-ghuluww), linguistically means 'exceeding the limit and turning aside from the true goal'. Allãh, the Almighty, says: O, People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion, nor utter aught concerning Allãh save the truth. [4:171] Hence, He forbade exceeding the limits concerning the belief in the Messiah, and warned against turning aside from the true goal in speech, and declared the Christians' claims about him excess, since they went beyond the limit, as we have explained. The Extremists (al-Ghulãt) among those who outwardly profess Islam, are those who attribute divinity and prophethood to the Commander of the Believers and Imãms of his progeny, peace be upon them, and ascribe to them privileges concerning their status in this world and the world to come, by which they go beyond the limit and turn aside from the goal; hence they are evil-doers and infidels whom the Commander of the Believers *has sentenced to death, and the stake;* also the Imãms, peace be upon them, have branded them with unbelief and departing from the pale of Islam. [...] The adherents of the doctrine of delegation (al-Mufawwidah) are a group of extremists who are distinguished from the others by their peculiar claim that though the Imãms are created, originated beings, and not eternal, yet they ascribe to them creation and sustaining. Also, they maintained that Allãh, the Exalted, created them and ceased to create, delegating to them the creation of the world and what lay therein. [...] Indeed, it is a sufficient sign of excess to claim that the Imãms are not created beings, and that they are divine and eternal, since the only logical conclusion of this assertion is excess; that the Imãms are the creators of bodies, originators of substances, and bring into existence accidents which are beyond human power. We need no more than this to judge or to ascertain their position without the signs which Abū Ja‘far, holds the marks of excess. It has been reported in a sahih (authentic) hadith (in Rijal Kashi, Volume 2, Page 614) from Abdullah b. Muskan, who said: Hajar b. Zaidah and Aamir b. Khaza'a al Azdi entered upon abi Abdullah (as) and said to him: "May we be your ransom, indeed al Mufadal b. Umar says that you people (i.e. the Imams) provide rizq (sustenance/blessings) to the people."......Imam (as) said: "Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى la'nah (damnation) be on him, I dissociate from him." Narrator asked: "Should we also say la'nah on him and dissociate from him?" Imam (as) said: "Yes!"

How can any person help you when it is Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى trough His Will that choose to help or not? I mean the intention should always be that it is Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى who truly helps.

You mentioned Russia's interests, Iran's interests, but not Syria's interests. The Jewish lobby in Russia is very strong just as its counterpart in the US- AIPAC. But they are no existent in Iran. We saw recently how the little carrot of thawing relations with West (Putin-Trump summit and EU convergence with Russia) Russia made concession to Israel....so if you are a Syrian policy maker- who would you chose as an ally? Iran which has stood by it through thick and thin and would never sell Syria out...or Russia who could trade Syria any minute as part of a so called grand deal with the US? Seeing the cartoonish political psyche of most Arabs who are often attracted to big guns, I am sure you'd pick Russia...and this upside down logic that is the norm in the Arab world has them where they are today- occupied.

Just remember that the Imams also told us to ask Allah through them: Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu 'Umayr from Mu'awiyah ibn ' Ammar who has said the following: "Once abu 'Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, on his own initiation said to me, 'O Mu'awiyah, bear in mind that a man once came to Amir al-Mu'minin, Ali ibn abu Talib, recipient of divine supreme covenant, complaining of the delay for the answer to his prayer. Amir al-Mu'minin, Ali ibn abu Talib, recipient of divine supreme covenant, asked, "Why do you not pray with the quick for acceptance supplication (prayer quickly accepted)?" The man then said, 'Please tell me what that supplication is?' The Imam told him to say, 'O Lord, I plead before You through Your great name, the greatest one, the glorious one, the magnanimous one, the one treasured and hidden, the light of the truth, and the clear authority in the argument. It is a light with light, a light from a light, a light in a light, a light over a light, a light above all lights, a light that illuminates all darkness, crumbles down all hardships, all condemned devils and every hardheaded tyrant. (It is such) a light that the earth cannot hold and the sky cannot not withstand. With it every frightened person feels secure, every magician's magic will turn invalid, and the transgression of every transgressor, the envy of every envier will turn ineffective. Due to its greatness the ocean splits open, the ships sail in safety when the angel speak with it, the waves will have no way to it and that is Your greatest of great, glorious of glorious name, the great light with which You have named Yourself and with it You have established Your power over Your Throne. I turn to You through Muhammad and his family and I plead before You to grant al-Salat (favors) upon Muhammad and his family, to provide me help in such and such of my needs. (One then should mention his wishes)"' (Al Kafi, Kitab ad-Dua, Ch.60, H.17) Grading: Hasan (Mira'at ul Uqool 12/455) It is a narration from him (narrator of previous Hadith) by his father from al-Husayn ibn Sa'id from Fadalah from Aban and Mu'awiyah ibn Wahab who have said the following: "Abu 'Abd Allah, 'Alayhi al-Salam, has said that when you stand up for Salat (prayer), say this: 'O Allah, I consider Muhammad, O Allah grant compensation to Muhammad and his family worthy of their services to Your cause, to be in front of me in Your presence along with my wishes and needs and I turn to You through him. For the sake of his position before You, grant me honor in this and the next world and include me among those near You. Make my Salat (prayer) accepted through him, my sins forgiven and my prayer and wishes granted. You are forgiving and merciful.'"" (Al Kafi, Kitab as-Salat, Ch,19, H.3) Grading: Hasan (Mira'at ul Uqool 15/96) From Abd Allah bin Sinan from Abi Abd Allah (عليه السلام) said: “Adam (عليه السلام)said: ‘O Lord, by the right of Muhammad, Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Hussain, forgive me.’ So Allah revealed to him (عليه السلام): ‘O Adam, and what do you know about Muhammad?’ So he (عليه السلام) said: ‘When I was created, I raise my head and I saw on the arsh (throne) written – Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, Ali Amir al-Muminin’” (Qisas al-Anbiya by al-Rawandi,Pg 55,H 26) Grading: Sheikh Ahmad al-Mahoozi:"Saheeh Sanad" http://discovershiaislam.blogspot.com/2013/01/making-dua-in-right-of-muhammad-wa-aley.html

In regards to Syria, the only words that should be important on such matters is that of the Syrian govt. When Iran does not let US or Israel dictate policies for it, I doubt they'd let Russia do it...Without Iran's contribution Russia's Syria campaign would not have been half as successful as it is today. I believe the reason for such statements are solely political (coughPutinTrumpSummitcough) and bares no weight on the ground....a psy op.

You have to question the mental health of anyone who would even debate this issue, the Qur'an is so clear about this that any antagonism towards this concept is pretty much the same as having antagonism toward the Qur'an.

Salaam, Does the person you are giving khums to have the permission of Ayatollah Sistani to take khums?

Brother, read the traditions of our Aimmah. It is wajib upon you to directly call on Allah. To directly beg Allah is one of the best forms of worship. Your absolute prime method of Dua should be to call upon and beg Allah for your needs, and look at the beautiful supplications taught to us by our Aimmah in this regard. It is Wajib to beg him, praise him, cultivate a deep connection with him through Dua. The Imams have absolutely forbidden the belief that Allah is too great to talk to, rather they have absolutely made necessary upon us to beg to Allah, to praise Allah, to supplicate to Allah and have warned those who do not do so of a terrible consequence.

I'm not commenting on things like Ya ali Madad but there is no problem in not saying it, and i've never said it in my life. Ask Allah for the sake of Muhammed and his purified progeny, and send Salwat on Muhammed and his purified progeny. Look at Kitab al-Kafi, Book of Dua, and just follow what Muhammed (saw) and the Imams (asws) have taught: http://www.fourshiabooks.com

In all honestly tawasul has always been something that is difficult for me. I know about it and have heard all the arguments for it, but is there any wrong if I don't do tawasul? I've always just made my duas to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى directly. Just wondering if one can identify as shia and not do tawasul?

I do not see how what I do would prevent me from doing what you do at the same time. Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى makes his signs manifest in dunya thru the people He send for us, and I am remembering them.

I can understand where you are coming from, but no matter how great Allah is, the Prophet and Imams, and actually Allah himself have made it Wajib to beg Allah, talk to Allah, call on Allah, supplicate to him with beautiful words. I actually talk to Allah about all of my problems. I talk to him about my life more than i talk to anyone else. The beauty is, despite his infinite greatness, he has love , mercy, and kindness for an insignificant slave like me, and is there for me when all others have deserted me. How beautiful to cry out to someone who knows the innermost secrets of your heart, and has power over all things, and by your very call and cry showers you with bounties and mercy? Dua is our way of having a deeper relationship with Allah. We exist to know , serve and worship him, and it is one of the best forms of worship.

Its hard for me to relate to the magnitude of Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى. Its easier for me in my day to day problems as a human to relate to the humans sent by Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى, when I think of hardships I say no day like your day Ya Aba Abdilllah! Ya Hussein! When I think of strength and showing strength I say Ya Ali! or Ya Abalfazl! Me calling their names makes me remember them and their hardships and that inspires me because they were also humans like me.

The Ghali is someone who exaggerates the status of the `Aimma and considers them to be beyond what they really are. The Tali is the one who falls short in recognizing the true status of the `Aimma [i.e. their Wilaya]. They are juxtaposed again in the report below except that the Tali here is labelled Muqassir. و عنه، قال أخبرنا الحسين بن عبيد الله، قال أخبرنا أحمد بن محمد بن يحيى العطار، قال حدثنا أبي، عن أحمد بن محمد بن خالد، عن العباس بن معروف، عن عبد الرحمن بن مسلم، عن فضيل بن يسار، قال قال الصادق عليه السلام احذروا على شبابكم الغلاة لا يفسدونهم، فإن الغلاة شر خلق الله، يصغرون عظمة الله، و يدعون الربوبية لعباد الله، و الله إن الغلاة شر من اليهود و النصارى و المجوس و الذين أشركوا. ثم قال عليه السلام إلينا يرجع الغالي فلا نقبله، و بنا يلحق المقصر فنقبله. فقيل له كيف ذلك، يا ابن رسول الله قال لأن الغالي قد اعتاد ترك الصلاة و الزكاة و الصيام و الحج، فلا يقدر على ترك عادته، و على الرجوع إلى طاعة الله عز و جل أبدا، و إن المقصر إذا عرف عمل و أطاع And from him [al-Tusi in his Amali] who said: reported to us al-Husayn b. Ubaydullah who said: reported to us Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Yahya al-Attar who said: narrated to us my father from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Khalid from al-Abbas b. Ma'ruf from Abd al-Rahman b. Muslim from Fudhayl b. Yasar who said: al-Sadiq عليه السلام said: be cautious with your children so that the Ghulat do not corrupt them, for the Ghulat are the worst creatures of Allah, they belittle the greatness of Allah, and ascribe lordship to the slaves of Allah, by Allah! the Ghulat are more worse than the Jews and the Christians and the Magians and those who polythize, then he عليه السلام said: the Ghali returns to us (i.e. from his heighty beliefs) but we do not accept him, while the Muqassir catches up to us (i.e. our real station) so we accept him, so it was said to him: how is that O son of the messenger of Allah? he عليه السلام said: because the Ghali gets used to forsaking the Salat and the Zakat and the Siyam and the Hajj, so he is not able to leave this habit of his and return to the obedience of Allah عز و جل - ever, as for the Muqassir - if he recognizes (i.e. the true status of the Aimmah) he acts upon it and obeys.

Somehow it is mainly supports by Britain & Shirazi cult to make a bad & stupid image from Shia islam.

OP wants to prove other are human beings and he is infallible it sound me too bad to mention such manner of one member of SC.

Yeah, You're like 'You should not seek anyone other than Allah' also ' 'I'm not denying Ya Ali Madad'. Two opposite things.

Thanks for quoting the sayings of imams but these cannot be explicitly taken for one specific meaning when we do have verses of quran like mentioned below: وَإِن يُرِيدُوا أَن يَخْدَعُوكَ فَإِنَّ حَسْبَكَ اللَّهُ ۚ هُوَ الَّذِي أَيَّدَكَ بِنَصْرِهِ وَبِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ Shakir And if they intend to deceive you-- then surely Allah is sufficient for you; He it is Who strengthened you with His help and with the believers (8:62) And onward like the following further clarifying the concepts: يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ حَسْبُكَ اللَّهُ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَكَ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ O Prophet! Allah is sufficient for you and (for) such of the believers as follow you. (8:64) إِن تَتُوبَا إِلَى اللَّهِ فَقَدْ صَغَتْ قُلُوبُكُمَا ۖ وَإِن تَظَاهَرَا عَلَيْهِ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ مَوْلَاهُ وَجِبْرِيلُ وَصَالِحُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَالْمَلَائِكَةُ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ ظَهِيرٌ If you both turn to Allah, then indeed your hearts are already inclined (to this); and if you back up each other against him, then surely Allah it is Who is his Guardian, and Jibreel and -the believers that do good, and the angels after that are the aiders. (8:64) Do you deny that aiders are also from among the believers instead of Allah swt alone in this verse?

I don't know why it should be either all. You can call upon Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى directly, as we have have entire supplications that demonstrate just that, or you can participate in tawassul as well, which also we have supplications just that. They are not mutually exclusive, there are numerous ways people can supplicate. I don't understand this attempt to create a conflict between styles of supplication.

IR has created a narrative and presented ahadith to back it up. I will do the same. We should always use waseelah: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَابْتَغُوا إِلَيْهِ الْوَسِيلَةَ وَجَاهِدُوا فِي سَبِيلِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ {35} [Shakir 5:35] O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard in His way that you may be successful

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Looks like a cliche villain scene from a bad 80s movie.

We know Allah and experience Him by his signs. The greatest of His signs is are the hujjaj of Allah, the hujjah of our time being imam mahdi (aj). True tawheed is only possible with the ma'rifa of ahlul bayt (as). As long as the actions people are doing helps them attain closeness to Allah and is permissible in the shariah it is fine in fact we should encoruage it. If what helps someone spiritually the most is zikr of Allah then do more of that instead of other 'amaal. Likewise if what helps someone spiritually is calling out to ahlul bayt (as) and the like then no problem. We are not robots and a lot of this is subjective but it is known to the individual through experience, not through robotic formulas.

Yes, but you know that's where the discussion will head. Underpinning the whole discussion of best practice is the concept of mutual exclusivity, which posters above are trying to refute. In simpler terms, the notion that two events cannot occur simultaneously.

I find the first sentence hard to understand because Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى in the Quran does encourage us to call upon Him. Again, I'm not fighting at all I just felt like following this thread on shiachat.

I hadnt thought about it!

It seems correct.

I hope brother @DigitalUmmah is doing well! Anyone knows?

He is a scholar on Islam and Christianity and has been working on Christian - Muslim relations in England for more than 30 years. You can get more information on his website. https://www.chrishewer.org/

Born to parents who raised the Prophet. Born in place worshipped by billions. Opened eyes and raised by the Prophet of Allah (saw) Saved Islam and Muslims in countless battles. Married to Syedatun-nisa-al-alameen. Father of Leaders of the Paradise. Betrayed by people multiple times Maintained his character through all adversities. Imparted wisdom to mankind. Died in sajada...leading the most successful of lives My master and mawla...Imam Ali bin Abu Talib (as).

This is the fate of all super powers throughout the history of mankind, they rise and fall, Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى mentions this in the holy Quran, that we may take lessons from this. Eternal and unlimited power belongs only to Him.