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    According to this logic, prophets before Muhammad a.s. are not our prophets.
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    Grading Hadiths: An Introduction

    Biographical evaluation (`ilm ad-diraya, `ilm ar-rijal) exists both in Sunni and Shi`i branches, and it refers to the strengthening and weakening of individual narrators & transmitters, and chains of transmission (isnad, or plural: asaneed). The purpose of the system is to grade hadith reports based on the trustworthiness of its transmitters. To summarize the Sunni system, all companions of the Prophet (pbuh) - ie all of those who have been in his presence at some point in his life - are considered trustworthy (thiqa). These companions then narrated their traditions to their pupils, family members, and associates. They would then pass it down until they reached a compiler of hadiths, usually in oral form, but sometimes written. The Sunni system excels in its biographical documentation because it covers a vast amount of individuals, giving relevant data about many people. But the system does have its flaws: 1) We don't consider all companions to be trustworthy; and we particularly distrust those who have directly oppressed the Prophet's family. 2) The culture of memorizing, transmitting, and documenting hadiths did not receive widespread popularity until the 2nd century AH. Therefore, the careful preservation of these hadiths are in question. Sunni isnads tend to be long, transmitted orally over centuries. 3) Strengthening (tawtheeq) is based mainly on scholarly opinion, with much disagreement. Shi`i hadiths take a different approach. The vast majority of Shi`i hadiths come from one of the twelve Imams. The Shi`a hold the belief of a golden chain, which is the chain from one of the Imams that goes through his forefathers back to the Prophet (pbuh). Through the hadith of thaqalayn, the Prophet established that the Qur'an and Ahl al-Bayt are what the Muslims must hold onto, and that the two are one in essence. The Ahl al-Bayt are (at least primarily) the 12 Imams + Fatima (as). In many hadiths, the Prophet aligned himself with `Ali and Fatima, saying the truth is with them, that whoever angers them angers the Prophet, that opposing them is hypocrisy and disbelief, etc. The tying of truth with `Ali, the Mahdi, etc. gives them high authoritative value. The Imams have said in many hadiths that all they say and do comes from the Prophet. Many times, they quoted the Prophet directly, and they have said that all quotations of the Prophet come from their golden chain to him. Likewise, as infallible guides, all that they say and do is from the Qur'an and Sunna, and therefore their words are taken as proof (hujja) for all religious matters. This means that the relation of hadiths in Shiism took place over a 300+ year period rather than just a 23 year period. Surely, the religion was completed and perfected by the end of the holy Prophet's lifetime. That same religion was relayed by the Imams. As hadith narration became popular in the second century AH, thousands of students studied under the 5th and 6th Imams. Together, al-Baqir and as-Sadiq narrated tens of thousands of hadiths on all topics - `aqeeda, fiqh, tafsir, history, eschatology, and more. The Imams gave their students the explicit instruction to write their words down, memorize their hadiths, and spread the knowledge to the people. Hence, the hadith collection process began in their lifetimes. The earliest available Shi`i notebook (usl) dates back to the time of the 4th Imam. By the occultation of the 12th Imam, over 300 of such usool existed. Unlike Sunni tradition, the hadiths were mostly not transmitted orally between the Prophet and a third century compiler. Rather, the hadiths came mainly from the Imams, and most of them were copied down during the time of the Imams. In some books, the chains of narrators are considerably shorter than in Sunni books. The time between the narration of the hadith and its compilation is also much smaller. As noted earlier, not all companions of the Prophet - or the Imams - are considered reliable. Their veracity and loyalty to Ahl al-Bayt must be proven. There are many ways that a hadith narrator is given tawtheeq: 1. The Imams directly gave tawtheeq to some people. 2. The Imams gave taraddi (expressing God's satisfaction) and tarahhum (asking God's mercy) to some people. 3. Like in Sunni rijal, the scholars would give tawtheeq to people or weaken them, based on their biographical data, beliefs, actions, who they associate with, etc. 4. The clients, messengers, and tax-collectors of the Imams were largely given tawtheeq. 5. People can be given tawtheeq through other thiqa people. 6. People can be given tawtheeq if they are relied upon by major trustworthy companions of the Imams (as`hab al-ijma`) And many other means. There are certain levels that a narrator can embody. 1. A narrator can be considered thiqa. This means the narrator is trustworthy in what he narrates. Non-Shi`is can be considered thiqa, but this will be noted in the grading of the chain. A sahih chain is one where all the rijal are Imami Shi`a. A muwathaq chain is a chain that is all thiqa, but may include trustworthy Sunnis, Zaydis, Fat`his, Waqifis, etc. 2. A narrator can be considered `aadil or faadil or mamdooh which means that he is a just and good person, but his explicit tawtheeq cannot be established. This makes a chain hasan in grading. 3. A narrator can be considered dha`eef, which means he is weak. Either he is known for lying and bad character, or he is associated with the enemies of Ahl al-Bayt (nawasib, or ghulat - Shi`i extremists), or both. 4. A narrator can be considered majhool, which means we may know some biographical details about the person, but not enough to establish trustworthiness or lack thereof. There is a theory called as`hab al-ijma` that is used by a minority of scholars. The as`hab al-ijma` are a list of 18 companions of five of the Imams who are considered very trustworthy central figures of the sect. This method says: any hadith that is authentic up to one of these 18 can be accepted. Even if one of these 18 individuals narrate from someone without tawtheeq, the idea is that they would not relate a hadith unless it had value - as they were close, accepted, and tested supporters of the Imams. However, to be safe and cautious, many rijal scholars do not use this method. The hadiths parimarily came from the Imams during their time in Medina. Their Shi`i partisans were mainly Kufan visitors who would go to Medina, stay for a while, gather knowledge and bring it back to Kufa. As mentioned before, Kufa and Baghdad were an Islamic powerhouse during the second century AH, and most of what was written in the early period in both sects was in Iraq and Persia. That is where most Muslim scholars came from and most Islamic books were written. Thus, the tradition survives through this transmission. From Kufa, the hadiths also went to Qum when Ibrahim b. Hashim and others took their traditions there. There were thousands of Shi`as in Iraq during the time of the 6th Imam, and many hundreds of his companions were Kufan transmitters of hadiths. A hadith or concept that is narrated through multiple chains is mutawater (widely narrated). `Aqeeda must be established on mutawater traditions. Fiqh however can be established throug ahad (single-authority) traditions. There are some issues with rijal. We should recognize that it is still a man-made system and will have its faults. The main fault in Shi`i rijal is that there are too many majhool narrators, because the Ahl al-Bayt had thousands of students, and the status of many of them was not known to the scholars of rijal. Also, different scholars had different opinions on certain narrators. There are also some manuscript discrepancies in the works of some rijal scholars (most prominently, Ibn al-Ghada'iri's). Sometimes we don't have as many biographical details as we want. Rijal scholars largely lived after the people they had written about were dead. However, the system can weed out contradictions and strengthen established concepts. It is also an insurance that what we believe and practice was what the best of the Muslims believed and practiced. The gradings of narrators are usually extrapolated from the biographical information provided by major Shi`i classical scholars of rijal. These scholars include Najashi (~ d. 1058), whose gradings are usually preferred, Ibn al-Ghada'iri (11th century), Shaykh al-Tusi (d. 1067), and Kashhi (d. 951). It is recorded that Shaykh al-Kulayni, the compiler of al-Kafi, and Shaykh as-Saduq had their own books of rijal, but those book have not survived. Furthermore, some scholars have accepted all of the narrators who have been included in Tafsir al-Qummi and Kamil az-Ziyarat, under the belief that the authors of these works have only included reliable narrators. Later scholars who have contributed to the science include `Allamah al-Hilli (d. 14th century), `Allamah al-Majlisi (d. 17th century), Shaykh Bahbudi (d. 20th century), Sayyid Burujirdi (d. 20th century), al-Khoei (d. 20th century), Muhammad Taqi al-Tustari (d. 20th century) Shaykh Asif Muhsini, Shaykh ar-Radi, Shaykh as-Sanad, and many others. It should be noted that the authors of the Four Books - Kulayni, Saduq, and Tusi - took rijal seriously. They believed that their books were filtered enough to represent Twelver Shiism, even for lay use. Kulayni in particular viewed his work as sahih in content. Many attested to the works of these scholars and others. While some later scholars have weakened many narrations in the Four Books based on a strict adherence to classical rijal standards, this standard is seen by some scholars to be too stringent and unnecessary. Still, the study of rijal provides a wealth of information on our sources, and it remains a critical tool for scholars and seminarians. That is some [very] basic information on rijal in Shiism - inshaAllah it is helpful to some.
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    Alhamdulilah 4 months ago I considered myself the luckiest person when I went for Ziyarah of Imam Reza (as) in Mashhad. Today I consider myself luckier as I have just finalized my bookings and am all prepared for my next Ziyarah- Ziyarah of Imam Ali (a.s) and Imam Hussain (a.s). Going for Arafat Inshallaa... SO EXCITED!!!!!!
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    Gaius I. Caesar

    Give a Salawat! [OFFICIAL THREAD]

    Allahumma salli ala muhammadin wa ahli muhammadin wa aj'jil faraja hum.
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    https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-238-they-are-life-knowledge-and-death-ignorance… I believe the above mentions the Prophet's family as a source of Guidance. Every prophet had chosen a successor and their children had chosen a successor to continue the work of God. For it to stop at the Prophet and say "Hey, here's a book and just follow it" sounds very much like God giving us a Manual without clear directions. Hence it wouldn't be feasible for Imam Ali to say "the Prophet only left the Quran" for guidance as it transgresses the idea of guidance itself. It requires a guide. One can read a manual but could one understand the context behind it for the rest of time and into the future?
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    So, this is "Fahad Sani" and Co new strategy. Fellows, have a team hurdle/meeting, before you handle a subject. It seems you just throw anything hoping something will stick. and create "Doubt'(s)". Not doing a good job, except, I have to figure out, how many theories(sub theories) you ( & you')are working on for your own Narrative(s). Come up with a Universal Theory for your self before you Inform/Teach us anything.
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    Is the Prophet your mawla?
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    Is Quran so easy to understand?. Nope, surely not. There are circumstances around the revelation and in what context it was revealed. Further Ahadith of Aimma (ams), if any, should be considered before other things. The ayats of surah Anfal from verse 11 to verse 19 were revealed during battle of badr. Exegesis of ayat 12 in Tafseer e Namuna: One of other divine bounties upon the Muslim strivers in the Battle of Badr was the horror that Allah cast into the hearts of the pagan enemies and terribly weakened their spirits. In this regard, the verse says: “(And remember) when your Lord revealed unto the angels, (saying): ‘Verily I am with you, so confirm those who believe...” Allah said that soon He would cast fear and horror into the hearts of the infidels. The verse says: “…Soon I will cast fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve…” This fact was truly wonderful that the powerful troops of Quraysh were so frightened that some of them were in terrible horror to combat with the small number of Muslim strugglers in the Battle. Then the verse reminds them the command that He had ordained upon the Muslims in the battle-field of the Battle of Badr by the way of the Prophet (S). The command was that, at the time of fighting against those pagans, they should avoid striking some uneffective blows and not to spend their strength in that state, but they should smite severely upon the entity of the opposite party, upon above their necks; that is, upon their brains and heads. The verse says: “...Therefore smite above the necks...” And, by smiting their fingers, they should cause the enemies’ hands and feet to become inactive. The holy verse continues saying: “...and smite every finger of them'.”
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    Thoughts (2010-2016) [ARCHIVE]

    without any exaggeration - it will change your entire life. you know normally, when your mind wanders, you think about random things and nothing in particular? after karbala, you will find that every time your mind wanders - you will be thinking of karbala instead. the person I was before karbala died at karbala, and who i am now is completely different to who I was then. najaf - you feel imam ali (as) magnificence, you know that you are in the presence of the king of kings, the greatest being in the universe second only to the holy prophet (pbuh) karbala - you feel grief beyond you even thought you were capable of feeling kadhamiyya - you will feel peace. samarrah - you will feel excitement and hope. dont try and plan your reaction or actions - you will be in very little control when you enter karbala.
  11. 3 points
    Shian e Ali


    Hope is a powerful thing! It can turn the tides. It gives a reason to live & to thrive for a better future while despair, is what kills it all. Desmond defines hope as, Hope is being able to see that there's light despite all the darkness Every living thing has a spark of hope in it, that pushes it forward, especially humans that work so hard for tomorrow with the hope of being alive even without any certainty. As they say, Where there's life, there's hope! That little whisper in your heart telling you to try something out even if it seems hard, is hope! Abraham Miller said, A man begins to die when he starts to lose hope. So, keep that little spark glowing in yourself & spread it all around you, to help others, to give them a reason to live, to strengthen their will. In Avatar, book 2, General Iroh advises his nephew, You must never give in to despair. Allow yourself to slip down that road & you surrender to your lowest instincts. In the darkest times, hope is something you give yourself. That is the meaning of Inner Strength. People that give into despair are the ones that lose all hope. Unable to bear the pains & misery, they let go of life. They're the ones that we lose, some of them being our brothers & sisters. So, the next time you meet someone who's losing hope, try not to let it happen. Give them a reason to live & help them out. Every life counts!
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    "And if you fear a separation between the two of them, appoint an arbitrator from his family and an arbitrator from her family. If they desire reconciliation, Allah will bring them into agreement. Verily Allah is Knowing, Knowledgeable." [Noble Quran 4:35]
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    Who it the 12th imam?

    Alsalamu Alaykum The twelfth Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi (may Allah hasten his appearance) is the ultimate savior of humankind and the final Imām of the Twelve Imams who will emerge in order to fulfill His mission of bringing peace and justice to the world. He was born on the 15th of Sha`ban in the year 255 AH in Samarra. His imamat began at the age of five when his father died in 260 AH. His name (Muhammad) and his agnomen (Abu 'l-Qāsim) are the same as that of the Prophet of Islam. His father was the eleventh Shi‘a Imam, Imam Hasan al-`Askari; and his mother was the great lady Nargis (may the peace of Allah be with them both). For various reasons, the Twelfth Imam, did not appear publicly; and for about seventy years, people were in communication with him through the intermediary of his special agents, in order of succession: `Uthman bin Sa`id, Muhammad bin `Uthman, Husayn bin Ruh, and ‘Ali bin Muhammad as-Samarri. This period of seventy years is known as the minor occultation (al-ghaybatu 's-sughra) and at the end of that period began the major occultation (al-ghaybatu 'l-kubra). During the major occultation till the time of re-appearance, no one has been appointed as his special representative. As for legal issues, the people have the duty of referring to the fuqaha and mujtahids—those excelling in knowledge of the Islamic laws. For more info visit; https://www.al-islam.org/islam-faith-practice-history-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/lesson-18-twelfth-imam-muhammad-al-mahdi
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    France bans the burkini

    Last night I had dinner at a halal restaurant with relatives of mine, and they invited a couple of friends who are Catholic. They were talking about this burkini swimming suit news. The lady said she thought this was discrimination to harass a Muslim woman. She said her aunt, who is a nun and lives in France, could walk along that same beach in her nun clothing and nobody would stop her.
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    Son of Placid

    72 Virgins Shia Hadiths

    I'd be thinking 72 virgins is probably a good enough reason for some to strap on the C4. Especially if they can't get a date on earth. With enough encouragement they can start in their early teens now. There's still some uncertanties about how these virgins are distributed. 72 seems to be the popular number, but what's with the hadith of Jesus standing in the pouring rain? Only one tent around and there's a woman in it. After some negotiating with Allah he lands 40 virgins to stay out in the rain. Doesn't sound at all like the Jesus in the NT, nor as mentioned in the Quran, but if hadith says... I'm guessing Jesus already had the 72 virgins worked out, add 40 and that's 112. Imagine all the other things he did that weren't recorded and how many virgins were negotiated over his life. Hopefully Jannah doesn't run out of virgins before we get there. Even so, worst case scenario, you only get 72 virgins, what have you got after 72 days? The idea of having everything in heaven you shouldn't have on earth really sparked some imaginations. It's also been used as a powerful tool.
  18. 2 points

    Give a Salawat! [OFFICIAL THREAD]

    اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد وعجل فرجهم Peace and blessings be upon Mohammed and his pure progeny and may Allah (swt) hasten his (atfs) reappearance.
  19. 2 points
    By that logic Ali isn't our "friend" either, if you believe Mawla means "friend".
  20. 2 points
    The original title is "world 2057" because it has been released in 2007... and that's crazy to see that it's already outdated! For example, the kid uses a smarphone with a STYLUS. And the car engineer thinks that self-driving cars is kind of utopist, while they are actually on the market today. Technology evolves even faster than expected.
  21. 2 points
    Opponents misquote some Shia Traditons about Abdullah Ibn Saba. Some of them we presented to you in the earlier sections. But it seems better to discuss about them in detail, so that Nasibies are left with no escape door to run away or to deceive the people. Insha-Allah. There are 2 type of traditions about Abdullah Ibn Saba. Those Traditions, which are reported without any chain of narration. And those traditions, which do have chain of narration (And there is only one such Shia Historian, who recorded them along with their chain of narrations i.e. Al-Kashi). Those Traditons, which are recorded without any Chain of Narrations. First of all, we take those traditions, which are mentioned without any chain of Narrations. The primary Shia sources of such traditions are only 2 people i.e. Al-Nawbakhti and Allamah Hilli (the latter coming some Shia Ulama only quoted them). Both of them recorded only that, which was famous among the masses. 1st Traditon: Abul Muhammad al-Hassan bin Musa Al-Nawbakhti "Abdullah bin Saba', was one of those who slandered Abu Bakr, Omar, Othman and the Companions and disowned them. He claimed that it was Ali [as] who enjoined this on him. Ali arrested him, and upon interrogation, admitted to the charge, and (Ali) ordered him to be executed. Upon that,people cried 'O Chief of Believers ! Do you execute a man calling to your love, Ahlul-Bayt, to your allegiance, and disowning your enemies?' He (Ali) then exiled him to al-Mada'in (Capital of Iran back then). Some people of knowledge mentioned that Abdullah bin Saba' was a Jew, who embraced Islam and supported Ali. While he was still a Jew, he used to go to extremism in calling Yousha' bin Noon as the appointee (successor) of Moses, thus after embracing Islam - after the demise of the Messenger of Allah [pbuh&hf] - he said the like about Ali. It was him who first publicly announced the mandatory Iamamah for Ali, rejected and disowned his enemies, debated his opponents and called them Kafirs. Hence, those who oppose the Shi'ites often say: The Shi'ites and Rejectors (Rafidah) have their roots in Judaism ". Reference: Firaq al-Shi'a: Nubakhti, pp. 43,44 This is the most favorite tradition of Nasibies. And there are 2 reasons for this: Firstly, this is the Only Shia Traditon, which claims that Mawla Ali didn't let Abdullah Ibn Saba to burn in fire, but he was exiled to Madain. And secondly, this is the Only Shia Traditon which claims that Abdullah Ibn Saba didn't claim Ali to be "god", but of his "Wilayat" (as Shias do). These 2 points are very important for Nasibies and we will clear them later. Insha-Allah. At moment, Nasibies have to answer the following questions: First challenge to Nasibies is to show us the chain of narration of this report. Note: Al-Nawbakhti (died 310 Hijri) wrote his book long after Saif Ibn Umar Kadhab (who died in 160 Hijri). Till that time, the fairy tale of Saif Kadhab became so popular among Sunni Masses that no one was able to trace out the origins of this tale. There are hundreds and thousands of traditions from Sunni Books like Dur-e-Manthoor and Itteqan etc. which proves "Tehrif-e-Quran". But Nasibies deny all of them while they don't find chain of narration of these hundreds of Ahadith. But then what is the reason that when it comes to Shia, then every mean tactics become Halal for them? If Nasibies claim that this tradition is authentic. Then they have to accept the following part of this tradition too: {Upon that,people cried 'O Chief of Believers ! Do you execute a man calling to your love, Ahlul-Bayt, to your allegiance, and disowning your enemies?} Would Nasibies tell us who were these people who started crying? Were these people of Sunni Aqeedah? If they were Sunnies, then why were they saying Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman as enemies of Mawla Ali ? Or were these people Shias? And if they were Shias, then whole arguments ends and it is enough to prove that indeed Shia Sect existed long before Abdullah Ibn Saba and Ameer-ul-Momineen Ali Ibn Abi Talib did consider those Shias his real followers and supporter and follower of Deen-e-Haq. Therefore, our third question to Nasibies is same that what is the identity of these People? There are some more questions on this tradition of al-Nawbakhti, which are coming later. Note: There is one part of this tradition that: " Some people of knowledge mentioned that …" Nasibies misquote this part and claim it to be the chain of narration. For surely this is a Nasibi Deception and it is indeed not a chain of narration. Why Nasibies are dreaming that Al-Nawbakhti (died 310 Hijri) heard it directly from those "Some people of knowledge"? Don't you know that Saif Ibn Umar fabricated all these lies in name of some knowledgeable companions of Rasool (saw) and Ali , who were present in Madina, Kufa and Basra in order to give some weight to his fabrications. By Allah, when it comes to Nasibi Traditions, then these Nasibies are always crying "Weak, Marfo'o, weak memory, Tadlees, ….etc. But when it comes to Shia Ahadith, then these same Nasibies are shouting loudly "Long Live Saif Ibn Umar". Munafiqat? 2nd Tradition: Al-Hassan ibn Hilli This 2nd Tradition has also been narrated without any chain of narration. "Abdullah Ibn Saba became apostate and he started doing "Ghaloo". He claimed prophet-hood (Nabuwaah) for himself and started calling god to Ali . Upon this Ali gave him the time of 3 days to repent, but he didn't repent. Upon this, Ali Ibn Abi Talib let him burn into fire along with his 70 companions. Reference: Kitab-ul-Rajal Al-Hilli, page 469, published in Iran. First of all, contrary to popular claim of Saif Ibn Umar (and present day Nasibies), this tradition claims that Abdullah Ibn Saba claimed Ali to be "god" and not "Walayah" for him. Please keep in mind about this Hadith that: Secondly, contrary to popular claim of Saif Ibn Umar (and present day Nasibies) this tradition claims that Mawla Ali let Abdullah Ibn Saba to burn in fire (instead of exiling him to Madain). If these 2 contradictions are clear to you, then we move to those Shia Traditions, which have chain of narrations. 3rd Tradition: Al-Kashi Among Shia Ulama, there were only and only one person "Al-Kashi" who narrated about Abdullah Ibn Saba along with chain of narrations. The first tradition that Al-Kashi recorded, is the same of "Some people of knowledge", which al-Nawbakhti recorded in his "Al-Faraq us Shia". We have already recorded it above along with objections on it. The next tradition from Al-Kashi is as under: Muhammad bin Qoliah al-Qummi narrated from Sa'ad bin Abdullah, who from Muhammad bin Uthman, who from Younis bin Abdur Rehman, who from Abdullah Ibn Sinan, who from his father, who said that Imam Jaffar Sadiq said: "Abdullah Ibn Saba claimed prophethood for himself and divinity for Ali (i.e. he is god). When Ameer-ul-Momineen came to know it, he called him and asked about it. He admitted it and said: "Yes, you are indeed god. I feel that you are god and I am your prophet".Upon this Ameer-ul-Momineen said: "Woe be upon you. Devil Shaitan has used you and misguided you. You must abandon this. May your mother weep you, you must repent. But Abdullah Ibn Saba denied to repent. Upon this Ali Ibn Abi Talib let him burn in the fire and said: Shaitan (Devil) put these things in his head and thus misguided him". And next Tradition is as under: Ammd bin Qowliah narrated from S'ad bin Abdullah, who from Yaqood bin Yazeed and Muhammad bin Isa, who from Ibn Abi Umair, who from Hasham bin Salim, who said that he heard it from Imam Abu Abdillah when he told that Abdullah Ibn Saba claimed that Ali was god (naudobillah). Upon that Ali ordered him to repent, but he refused. Then Ali let him burn in fire.". These 2 traditions are again contradicting Saif Ibn Umar and popular claim of present day Nasibies that: Abdullah Ibn Saba didn't claimed "Wilayah" for Ali Ibn Talib (like Shia claim), but he claimed him to be god. And Mawla Ali didn't sent him in exile in Madain, but burnt him in fire due to his apostasy. The next tradition is as under: Narrated to me Muhammad bin Qolawaih: Narrated to me Sa'd bin Abdullah, said: Narrated to us Yaqoub bin Yazeed and Muhammad bin Issa from Ali bin Mahziyar, from Fadalah bin Ayoub al-Azdi, from Abban bin Othman said: I heard Abu Abdullah [as] saying:'May Allah curse Abdallah bin Saba', he claimed a divineship for Amirul-Mu'mineen (Ali) [as]. By Allah, Amierul-Mu'mineen [as] was volunterily the slave of Allah. Woe to him who lie about us, for there are people who say about us what we don't say about ourselves, we clear ourselves to Allah from them, we clear ourselves to Allah from them'." This tradition is also telling this that contrary to claim of Saif Ibn Umar Kadhab, Abdullah Ibn Saba claimed Divinity for Ali, and not the Wilayah. Secondly, there is no mention of exiling him to Madain. Next tradition is as under: "Narrated Yaqoub bin Yazeed from Ibn Abi Omair and Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Issa, from his father and al-Husain bin Sa'eed, from Hisham bin Salim, from Abu Hamza al-Thumali said: Ali bin al-Husain [as] said:'May the curse of Allah be upon those who tell lies about us. I mentioned Abdullah Ibn Saba and each hair in my body stood up, Allah cursed him. Ali was, by Allah , a proper servant of Allah , the brother of the Messenger of Allah . He did not earn the graciousness/honor from Allah except with the obedience to Allah and His Messenger. And (similarly) the Messenger of Allah did not earn the honor from Allah except with his obedience to Allah '." Again this tradition is contrary to claim of Saif Ibn Umar and present day Nasibies that Abdullah Ibn Saba didn't claim Wilayah for Ali Ibn Abi Talib, but Divnity. Next tradition is as under: Narrated Muhammad bin Khalid At-Tayalisi, from Ibn Abi Najran, from Abdullah bin Sinaan said: Abu Abdullah [as] said:"We are a family of truthfulness. But we are not safe from a liar telling lies about us to undermine our truth with his lies in front of people. The Messenger of Allah was the most truthful among people in what he said (Lahjatan) and the most truthful among all humanity; and Musaylima used to lie on him. The Commander of Believers was the most truthful one among the creation of Allah after the Messenger of Allah ; and the one who used to lie on him, and tried to undermine his truthfulness and claimed lies about Allah , was Abdullah Ibn Saba." Again contrary to claim of Saif Ibn Umar Kadhab and present day Nasibies, this tradition is claiming that Abdullah Ibn Saba didn't claim Wilayah for Ali Ibn Abi Talib, but Divinity. Bukhari's tradition destroying lies of Nasibies favourite Siaf Ibn Umar Kadhaab And now the following tradition of Bukhari is destroying the Lies of Nasibies favorite Saif Ibn Umar: Sahih Bukhari- Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57: Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah 's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah 's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah 's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" Once again here you could see that contrary to Saif Ibn Umar's claim (to which today Nasibies stick to), it is very clear that Ibn Saba was not sent to Madain, but he was burnt in fire by Ali Ibn Abi Talib. Now, would Nasibies tell us why still they stick to the Lair Saif Ibn Umar and neglect those proofs which are much more stronger than Saif? Is it not open Munafiqah? Conclusion If we take the conclusion from all these traditions, then it is as under: There is only and only first Traditon of Al-Nawbakhti (which is recorded without any chain of narrations) that Abdullah Ibn Saba claimed "Wilayah" for Ali Ibn Abi Talib. And secondly, Ali exiled him to Madain. This tradition without any chain of narration is most probably taken from the stories of Saif Ibn Umar which were spread over all at that time. As compared to this single Tradition of Al-Nawbakhti (which also doesn't have any chain of narration), we have 6 other Traditions, where we do have chain of narration and which claim that: Abdullah Ibn Saba didn't claim Wilayah for Ali, but Divinity He didn't exile him to Madain, but burnt him into fire (along with his companions). And these 6 Traditions are much more stronger than single tradition of Al-Nawbakhti, which has absolutely no bases and without any chain of narration. This proves following points: Saif Ibn Umar tried to prove that Shias are followers of Abdullah Ibn Saba (the Jew). Therefore, he fabricated this fairy tale that they didn't claim divinity of Ali, but they claimed Wilayah for him. And today Nasibies have taken Saif Ibn Umar Kadhab as their Imam and Ameer ul Momineen, and propagating his fabricated tale of "Wilayah". While Shias don't follow the Divinity claim of Abdullah Ibn Saba, but they follow the explicit instructions of Rasool Allah (saw) when he claimed in the valley of Ghadir-e-Khum, while addressing a crowd of over 100.000 people: "To whom I am Master (Mawlaho), this Ali is also a Master". Second and most important thing, as compared to single tradition of Al-Nawbakhti (which is even without chain of narration), these other 6 Shia traditions are unanimous that Mawla Ali (as) didn't send Abdullah Ibn Saba in exile to Madain, but burnt him in fire along with his companions. Note: Even in Sunni Tradition of Ibn Asakir (which have chain of narration), we don't find exiling of Ibn Saba, but only his buring in fire on orders of 4th Caliph Ali. But if we consider these 6 Shia traditions to be authentic (along with narrations of Sunni Ibn Asakir) then arises the question that according to Nasibi Fiqh, no person has got this right to burn other person in fire for what ever sin. (their fiqh even prohibits to burn small insect like Ant into fire, while they believe that this right of burning is reserved only for Allah). That is why, if Nasibies want to prove the existence of Abdullah Ibn Saba or his role in Killing of Uthman, then first of all they have to issue fatwa of Misguided Innovation (Bidah e Dhalalah) against their 4th Rashid Caliph. And not only against their 4th Rightly Guided Caliph, but also declare those thousands of Sahaba and Tabaeen to be misguided Innovators, who were present in Madina at that time and saw him buringing in fire but still they didn't stop the 4th Caliph from this misguidance. It is now Nasibi's own Choice if they really want to consider these traditions of Al-Kashi and Ibn Asakir to be authentic or not. The Last nail in Nasibi Coffin 1st Question: If any person says god to Ali, can he still stays in circle of Islam? Nasible Answer: No, he is an apostate. 2nd Question: What is the punishment of an apostate in Islam? Nasibi Answer: The punishment of an apostate in Islam is to KILL him. We mentioned one hypocrisy of Nasibies that they reject the more authentic Traditions of Ibn Asakir and Al-Kashi , who do have even chain of narrations, and as compared to this they accept the weak traditions, which even don't have any chain of narrations, and propagate them. We also mentioned the reasons behind this Hipocratic Nasibi behaviour if Nasibies have to believe in these traditions of Ibn Asakir and Al-Kashi, then they have to declare their 4th Rashid Caliph to be misguided Innovator along with thousands of Sahaba and Tabaeen of Madeena. In order to come out of this puzzle, Nasibies accepted the weaker traditions of Saif Ibn Umar Kadhab (who claim that Abdullah Ibn Saba was not burnt into fire, but exiled to Madain). Although impossible, but let us suppose that this hypocritical claim of Nasibies to be true (i.e. Ibn Saba was exiled to Madain). Now we have another question for Nasibies: " Why your 4th Rightly Guided Caliph exiled him to Madain? Indeed the punishment of apostasy is Killing, and not exiling."? Now what is the Nasibi Fatwa upon this misguided innovation of their 4th Rightly Guided Caliph ? Note: And this exiling is again a Collective Misguided Innovation of Ajmaeen (all) Stars like Sahaba of Madina who let their 4th Caliph to indulge in this misguided Bidah and didn't stop him with force. So, where is the Nasibi Fatwas upon this Collective Misguided Innovation of Sahaba? Nasibi quoting from Book Tarikh-e-Shia (and other Later Shia History Books) Lately, Nasibies are also quoting from Shia History Books which are written centuries after al-Nawbakhti and Al-Kashi. (like Allamah Majlisi, Tareekh Shi'i: Rawdat As-Safa, Ashi'a wat-Tashayyu' etc . These later generation Shia historians have only reproduced what earlier Ulama have written without checking the Asnaad of each and every report. And we have already made clear the position of each and every tradition, and Nasibies have been left with no excuse to still misuse/misquote these books of later coming Shia Ulama and historians. Allahum Sallay Allah Muhammad wa Aale Muhammad. @Fahad Sani If you want authentic traditions regarding Abdullah Ibn Saba: I heard Aboo 'Abd Allaah (as) saying: 'May Allah curse Abdallah bin Saba', he claimed a divineship/lordship for Amirul-Mu'mineen (Ali) [as]. By Allah, Amierul-Mu'mineen [as] was volunterily the slave of Allah. Woe to him who lie about us, for there are people who say about us what we don't say about ourselves, we clear ourselves to Allah from them, we clear ourselves to Allah from them'." Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 107, hadeeth # 172 'May the curse of Allah be upon those who tell lies about us. I mentioned Abdullah Ibn Saba and each hair in my body stood up, Allah cursed him. Ali was, by Allah, a proper servant of Allah, the brother of the Messenger of Allah . He did not earn the graciousness/honor from Allah except with the obedience to Allah and His Messenger. And (similarly) the Messenger of Allah did not earn the honor from Allah except with his obedience to Allah'." Source: Al-Kashee, Rijaal, pg. 107, hadeeth # 173
  22. 2 points
    ^ This @Fahad Sani is the downfall of going by Qur'an only, you begin to lose context and understanding of its verses for the past, present and future and to the point that people will interpret the Qur'an as such that it will barely resemble Islam and more like a book of mysteries and obscurities, which is a great disservice to the Qur'an and Allah (swt)
  23. 2 points
    this is not right...when the prophet was diying..he said to his companions "go and fight under the standard of Osama, may Allah T curse those who don't fight with Osama", do you know who didn't fight with Osama?? it was Omar and Abu Baker.. you are saying that Abu Baker and omar love the prophet. when the prophet was dying he said: "can i have a pen and a paper i want to right for you something" do you know what Omar and Abu Baker said?? they said "the prophet is hallucinating" is it possible that his close friends say something like that about the prophet??? read this verse of the Quran:Muhammad () is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many) Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, you will then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers) And he who turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and Allah will give reward to those who are grateful "if he dies or is killed you will turn back on your heels" this verse was revealed regarding omar abu baker and the friends who betrayed the prophet. this verse announce that the friends will turn back on their heels, they will betray the prophet this is the saying of the Quran and not a normal person...
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    72 Virgins Shia Hadiths

    With respect there are also differing opinions. There are other scholars which I showed previously who disagree. The Quran also says: “As for those in whose hearts is perversity, they follow the allegorical verses, seeking to mislead and seeking to give (their own) interpretation. None know their (i.e., allegorical verses') interpretation except Allah and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge…” (3:7) Second, we should refer to what the Ahlul Bayt say: Those who worship God for the hope of gaining , they’re not real worshippers ,they’re merchants. Those who worship God out of fear ( of punishment ) , they’re slaves. And those who worship God to be grateful towards their creator , they are the free people , and their worship is a real one. (Bihar al- Anwar, Vol. 78 , P. 117) Imam Hussain (AS)
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    Hmm. Bukhari again. Do we look Sunnis?
  26. 2 points
    Even an adult can be brainwashed - and can recover from brainwashing, but it takes a long time. For children, recovery is easier, but still takes time.
  27. 2 points
    Your issue is mainly with followers not Ahlul bayt. Because the ahlul bayt are the true Shias of Mohammad not us lol
  28. 2 points
    Be like Malik Al-Ashtar and not Abu Musa Al-Ashari
  29. 2 points
    Wahabism is mostly just about sex and killing.
  30. 2 points
    A low level nobody rotting in jail in Kuwait gets bail, visa to UK and $2.5m property to 'teach' shia islam. Sounds 100% legit to me.
  31. 2 points

    Water is Life: Standing Rock

  32. 2 points

    Give a Salawat! [OFFICIAL THREAD]

    Allahumma salli ala Muhammad wa Ahli Muhammad wa Ajil Faraj Hum
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    Allahumma salli ala muhammadin wa ahli muhammadin wa aj'jil faraja hum. Once again, astaghfirillah for this morning.
  34. 2 points

    Give a Salawat! [OFFICIAL THREAD]

    اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد وعجل فرجهم Peace and blessings be upon Mohammed and his pure progeny and may Allah (swt) hasten his (atfs) reappearance.
  35. 2 points

    Give a Salawat! [OFFICIAL THREAD]

    Allah Humma Salle Ala Muhammadin Wa Aal-e-Muhammad, Wa Aj'jil Farajahum.
  36. 2 points

    Zakir naik

    This guy is like a muslim equivelant of Kent Hovind. It absolutely amazes me that people actually listen to him.
  37. 1 point

    Dirty Mattress

    If a carpet or a mattress becomes najis by urine of an infant child that mostly gets nutrition by breast-feeding, then it can be purified by sprinkling water - even if it is little - on it until it covers the najis area. In this case, there is no need to remove the water by using a piece of cloth or vacuum cleaner, etc. If clothes become najis by urine, they can be purified by sprinkling little water on them from a kettle or a jug, etc., until it covers the najis area; then the water should be wiped off by using a piece of cloth, etc. You have to do this twice so that the clothes restore their taharah. The water that has been wiped off from the clothes (while purifying it two times) will be considered najis on the basis of obligatory precaution, if there is no urine in them. Conversely the water will be considered najis as a confirmed opinion. If one wants to purify such a clothes with pure water which is connected to a kurr source [e.g., under the water tap or by using a hose pipe], even then it is necessary to wash them twice. Similarly, it is necessary to wash the body twice -even when washed in kurr water- while purifying if it has become najis because of urine. http://www.sistani.org/english/book/46/2030/
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    I dont think its any coincidence that "kala jadoo" never seems to affect sane, stable minded people with access to camera phones.
  39. 1 point

    Islam, Adam and Evolution

    Asking questions sincerely without arrogance is quite alright and this is definitely a subject worth exploring now as now unfortunately we are losing a lot of the young generation to atheistic beliefs. Homo-Sapiens are believed to have existed since 150,000 years ago whereas according to all religious scriptures and dates Adam A.S is estimated to have been on the earth sometime between 5000-10,000 BC, so how do you reconcile the two facts? Fortunately in Shia Islam our Imams A.S have already told us this as I believe someone brought this up to Imam Muhammad Baqir A.S to which he responded "Allah SWT Had created 1000 thousand Adams (i.e 1000x1000)" and that before our species there were "Naf Nas" (human-like creatures) on the earth. Jaafar Ali Ladak in the UK had an amazing lecture about this topic which I will try and find again, but it's very worth listening to as he tries to answer all these questions. Basically the gist of it is that Adam A.S was definitely not born of a man/woman and created directly from clay as we are told but that when we say "Adam A.S is the first man", it does not necessarily mean that he was the first ever homo-sapien but rather the first man endowed with intelligence and law upon his shoulders, the Quranic verses he tries to justify this claim with are these: 76:1 There surely came over man a period of time when he was a thing not worth mentioning. 17:70 And We have certainly honored the children of Adam and carried them on the land and sea and provided for them of the good things and preferred them over much of what We have created, with [definite] preference. Now both these verses look contradictory don't they? UNLESS the first verse is referring to the people before Adam A.S 's creation and the second verse refers to the period after his creation. The beauty of this theory is that whether evolution took place or not, IN EITHER CASE it does not negate Allah, Islam or Adam A.S's creation
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    Yeah, I did, turns out that I am a INFP or the"councilor" type. Anyway, how was your research on the Isma'ilis?
  41. 1 point
    Ha, right, dangers of being introverted and being friends with introverts, you might not hear from us in a while.
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    May Allah unite the ummah<3

    according to which madhab's methods do you pray salah? thats what madhab you are.
  43. 1 point
    Yes, even the angel of death will taste the death. Chapter 55, Verse 26 & 27: كُلُّ مَنْ عَلَيْهَا فَانٍ وَيَبْقَى وَجْهُ رَبِّكَ ذُو الْجَلَالِ وَالْإِكْرَامِ
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    Issues between husband and wife should be sort out by both of them through mutual understanding and co-operation without involving anybody. However, when the things go out of hand, that is not within the scope of 4 walls then there should be arbitration as per the ayat quoted by sister above.
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    Introduce yourself here.

    Salams. I'm not Shia, but I believe that Ali and his family were wronged and robbed of their right as successors of Muhammad SAW. I've been Muslim for over a dozen years now. There are some things that make me uncomfortable with your practices and my background as a Sunni, otherwise I'd probably identify myself as a Shia already. I look forward to learning more about Shia Islam, and becoming more comfortable with it.
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    Thoughts (2010-2016) [ARCHIVE]

    Seriously Sis, your home must be a gastronomical disaster. Has anyone ever called child welfare or the H-EPA?
  47. 1 point

    Food Pics

  48. 1 point
    اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد وعجل فرجهم اللهم العن جبت و الطاغوت
  49. 1 point

    Abu Bakr and Umar

    I would gladly post here evidence and ahadith, but that will spark a huge outrage ending up @Tawheed313 invoking a ban on me. It is against forum rules.
  50. 1 point

    Are Ismaili muslims?

    Although the Kitab al-Kashf was later attributed to Jafar bin Mansur, he was not the acual author. The text itself is pre-Fatimid - and the late Shaykh Abd al-Hakeem Carney actually transated the entire text and in his introduction shows how it names the one concealed Isma'ili Imam who lived during its composition. As for the Rasa'il, there is an article in "Medieveal Ismaili History and Thought" (ed. Daftary) which shows quite strongly how it was authorized by the pre-Fatimid Isma'ili da'wah and how one of the Epistles is written by an Isma'ili Imam himself. What do you mean "happened a number of times in Isma'ili history"? The Isma'ili notion of a continuous Imamat has been relatively constant as a doctrine through its history. The actual ideas used to articulate Imamah in its specifics have varied with the times, but the essential doctrine has always the same.
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