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Even saqifah wasn't such a long Selection process. :)

Friends, I suggest we start anew. Dear brother FromShiaSunniBrotherhood: I do not think you had bad intentions. I am basing this on your other topic which shows that you have respect for Hezb. I am more inclined to believe that you have been misled by certain groups or individuals to have certain incorrect beliefs about the Islamic revolution and its leader. Let's put aside the "Imam Khomeini is Indian," issue, for a moment. I mean, it's not true; other members explained this matter. But let's put it aside for a moment, because it's irrelevant. Even if he were Indian, that doesn't make the Islamic revolution a CIA plot. These are completely irrelevant and fabricated issues which counter-revolutionary forces keep hammering over and over again, because that's all they got. Ignore it for a moment. We can come back to that later if necessary. The question at hand is: was the CIA involved in the Islamic revolution? It doesn't take extensive research to get a substantive answer to this question. It just takes a little bit of info and some application of reason. Firstly: Was it in the interests of the US government to overthrow the previous regime? Secondly: If indeed this was the case, how would the US government go about doing this? (i.e. would they have created a popular revolution) Thirdly: The proof is in the pudding. If the CIA was so into doing this, can we name some ways in which they benefited from the revolution (if any)? This is predicated on the assumption that a superpower or empire acts in accordance to its interests of perceived interests, rather than willy nilly. (I know the Shahis think the Americans did this just because they couldn't bear to see Iran so great and mighty...we will get to that in a moment). Answering the first question: Iranian oil was all controlled by American and British companies. US arms were flowing into Iran like the river (and Iranian money into the US arms industry, likewise). Wesrern big business was making a lot of money by setting up shop in Iran. Iran had no industries to speak of, aside from crude oil, and had little interest in investing in such. It was a model dependent country; a model satellite state. Content in its position and deluded in thinking itself in grandiose terms. The proponents of the "Khomeini CIA" theory say that towards the end, the Shah was doing "gholdor bazi" towards the US and taking strongman stances. I myself have seen no actual examples of this. However... even if it were true... The second question: It is not uncommon for a previously coddled leader to fall out of favor with US government. It happened many times. Let's take the example of South Vietnam. They were ruled by a guy named Diem, who everyone hated. He wasn't performing his duty the way the US liked, so they had him assassinated. Very simple. There was no need for inventing a popular revolt which takes a lot of resources and knowledge about the populace. Hell, the Shah's father was exiled by the British when he fell out of favor. It was not an uncommon thing to happen amongst puppet rulers. Even if the conditions were present for the US to wan to oust the Shah, a popular revolution was the least practical way. Think about it: the Islamic revolution in Iran was the most popular revolution in history. 99 percent of the population voted for the establishment of an Islamic Republic. A third of the population marched on Tehran, during one of the major anti-regime protests. A third of the country's population, not Tehran's!!! The revolution and its leader was incredibly popular. Even the most successfu velvet revolution of nowadays, cannot produce such results. (And back then, velvet revolutions were not really in style yet anyway). Of course, toward the end when the writing was on the wall, the US wanted reforms to be done in Iran... but this was to AVOID a revolution and to avoid the end of the regime. This is why they threw their support behind the provisional government of Shapour Bakhtiari. Now the last question: did they benefit? Did they benefit from losing control of Iranian oil? Did they benefit from the creation of an independent country which defies them politically, militarily, and economically? Did they benefit from losing their "regional policeman?" And: Why would they provide so much assistance -- in the form of chemical weapons, AWACS, satellite imagery, etc. -- to Saddam, when he attacked Iran? Why would they bombard the world populace with propaganda against Imam Khomeini (who, in 1978 was a figure who had captivated the world... and by 1979 became a scourge on the level of Stalin)? Why would they implement sanctions on this country whose government they supposedly hand picked? And so on... Just ask yourself these questions and the answer becomes bleeding obvious.

heh It's a 1 week campaign. While we're waiting for time to expire, nothing wrong with a bit of fun and getting to know candidates. I can't speak for others, but this has so far been an entertaining week on shiachat. Thanks to the enthusiasm and active participation of everyone.

Moderating team should seriously consider Br. Khadim for this post in the future.

lol I see some new development.... Tough competition between Magma and Starlight. Starlight, I am impressed. It is not easy to take a lead from a guy like Magma... just like that! Magma you have a lot of support and time to turn the tide. I look forward to seeing more creative skills. Show us the meaning of Come Back. Khadim, I am very happy that despite having less votes, you have stood your ground and actively participated in the process. Says a lot about character. Keep updating us with your answers/comments, I enjoy reading them. And you never know what may happen in the coming days so don't lose hope yet. Silasun, what the ... ? :D Tell me honestly, was this some kind of a political plan from the beginning? which candidate ended up getting your votes? Brother Cake, 20% votes so far without active participation. I urge you to start participating more often and give top two a hard time. Cake Nightmares, that is.

I am wondering why it's a problem to share same humor with magma and baradar...we shouldn't judge each other like this.Nobody is claiming to be the perfect akhlaqed person here.Everyone has weaknesses but what's the point in exposing them here? Magma made jokes from the start in this thread...I mean he obviously played with Trump rethorics.

How is this behavior so reprehensible? And what makes that particular post so terrible? You say "this is how he acts under pressure," as if you're talking about a pit bull who has been pushed into a corner. That post was pure magma; it had nothing to do with the way the polling is going. "Behavior like this" ... whatever man. This whole debate is twisted. Making jokes and being light-hearted is not the same as being un-akhlaqi. If any of yall can bring tangible evidence of magma being un-akhlaqi, I'm all ears. Also: How the crud could you have known that Durre Najaf voted for you? Are you sending out friggin voter registration forms? FYI: apple pies are delicious. Gaius, Marbles, and LCM need to have their brains checked for brain cancer.

Salaams. I'm on my phone so I can't space my message the way I want to. Firstly, I find it odd that magma, who had such a comfortable lead, is now trailing by 4 votes. Secondly, I am surprised by a lot of the irrational and inadequate criticisms levelled against this candidate. 1) who cares how he spaces his posts? I happen to like the organization of his style. 2) if he had been warned, he would have been notified. If he was warned but not notified, that's not his fault. Thats on the mods. Also: why the insinuations and innuendos? 3) I do not know what Marbles means by "guy humor." but if magma has ever used vulgar, offensive, or "dangerous" humor, I ain't seen it. Frankly I think that's just a convenient way to dismiss someone whose style and substance is not your cup of tea. Moreover, just because I support magma, doesn't make me magma. (wahdat al mowjood? Maybe this belongs in philosophy forum). If you are criticizing him by citing what I have done or said, this is an injustice to him.

The thing about the poppy is that you're remembering that men and women have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. It doesn't mean that they necessarily agreed with the governments that put their men in uniform in harm's way. Britain does not have a perfect record, far from, but anyone who stands up to Hitler on principle is A-OK in my book. But I'm only British by ancestry. I will say that I think it's important for Muslims to engage and be active participants in civil society wherever they may live. We can't talk about western fitna and not do anything to fix it. We need to embody the change that we want to see in our societies. I wouldn't have a problem with it, but sadly, I don't live in the UK.

Beside the fact that all the nominees are among the respected and trusted members, there are already defined rules, and also mods and admins to monitor the forums. So I personally am not worried (and you shouldn't either) about the potential negative consequences, if anyone of the current candidates gets elected. But as for the positive consequence that this election may have; The site needs changes-- technical changes, changes in terms of site's environment, software etc. I think magma wants to be a mod so that he can have more power to pursue these changes, and I believe he has shown that he has ability and urge to reach this goal, not to mention his special characteristics such as ingenuity and creativity which can bring about new and interesting aspects for the site. So don't miss this opportunity, if you want to make ShiaChat great again.

In my opinion every candidate is well qualified. This really is an election in which members get to choose the best, not the least bad. I'm used to American elections, and I find it very strange and refreshing.

I'm becoming a Hindu. I have no idea what I did in my current existence to deserve Baradar as a possible distant in-law, so the only logical explanation is punishment for a past life.....

Narrated to us Repenter from Ya Aba Abdillah from Abbas from Repenter from Qa'im from Hameedah (the Crimson chain) from Khadim uz Zahra: I entered the presence of Cake and was about to sit down, when he looked at me directly and said, "Go east or go west, you will not find a man sweeter than me." I then asked him about the shura and the election. He replied, "By Allah, I am the baker of cakes! I am the separator of the banned and the unbanned! He who loves me is an Advanced Member and he who hates me will remain basic forever. Whosoever votes for me, will, will, will have cake, and whosoever abandons me will suffer apple pie for eternity." I shuddered at the thought of that horrific adhaab and ran, and did not stop till I reached Abbas, and cast my vote in Cake's favour. With his favour upon me, I have never eaten an apple pie in my life. And Marbles narrated the same from Haydar Husayn from Haji 2003 from Abu Hadi from Abu Tufayl from Ahlulbayt_313 from Ali Musaa from Jaafar al-Shibli from Muhammad Ali from Nader Zaveri from notme (the Sapphire chain) from Khadim in his Tarikh al-Shiachat.

What does this tell you?

I am honestly very glad I found the way to Islam properly and I didn't discrimnate against the Shi'as and Ahlulbayt, honestly I am very thankful, I am dealing with issues, a lot of them, if it wasn't for Imam Ali as, Imam Hussain as, I can honestly say that I would have been lost in life, Prophet Muhammed SAW, Imam Ali as are very inspirational and great role models, they knew how to deal with difficult situations the best, especially the troubles Imam Ali faced and how he conducted himself in a humble and compossed manner, inspirational. long live Islam!

on proving the existence of God: This subject is possibly among the most controversial. For me a feeling of certainty beyond rationale supports my belief in God; however, my rational view on it does definitely convince me and make me more sure of it. This can be discussed and proved in infinite ways, and i encourage anybody to kindly add their own perspective. I will go into some basic reasons that i see as clear proof from a rational and logical sense. science: 1- Law of Thermodynamics (complicated name, but it isn't) In today's scientific world we have what some call the 'Laws of Thermodynamics'. These laws are present in pretty much every physics book, no matter how simple. One of these laws states that 'energy can not be created or destroyed'. With this in mind, it means that according to science today the energy we have in the universe is constant. So when time and space began, the same amount of energy was present, as is today. This poses the question to the thinker of "where did this energy come from?". Obviously it had to come from a source that is beyond time and space. This source must be beyond time and space, making that Source infinite - because anything finite is linked to time and space. According to science, time and space did start at one point. Nowadays they call it the "Big Bang". There is a saying that "from nothing comes nothing". So this proves to the mind that there must be a source of all the energy in the universe who is beyond time and space (infinite). 2 - Law of Entropy: (again, don't be fooled by the name. it's a super simple concept) In connection to the above we see in our surrounding world that everything moves from a state of higher organization to lower (energy moves from higher to lower state). Any object we leave long enough will fall apart - from from more to less organized. The only exception to this is life and living things. All living creatures take disorganized minerals and substances, and put them together into complex and organized systems. As soon as the spirit of that living creates leaves the body, it will disintegrate again, as does everything else. So this shows us that life is a miracle, and life in itself is a proof for the existence of God. Therefore, i believe all Godly religions tell us to look at growth and circles of life as proof for understanding the Divine. Life goes against all logic and rules around us. It is a spark of resistance in a world where everything goes from more to less organized. 3- Intelligent Design: We know for fact that everything us humans design is the work of intelligence that flows through us. Our cars are only as advanced as our engineers and designers. Our computers only reach their potential set by the level of computer scientists. But we all agree that any design has to have a designer behind it. So when we look at nature, and the DNA code for instance, or how the laws of physics work, or how beautiful everything is. We can be sure 100% that there is a designer behind all this. Just like the saying above says "from nothing comes nothing", we can also say "it takes intelligence to create intelligence". 4 - First Mover: This concept is used by Aristotle who was a monotheist. It relates directly to the first proof i used. A scientific concept says that one can not move without being moved. Or one can not push without being pushed. Basically, the energy i put out comes from somewhere, and it also always comes back. Like, when shooting a bullet from a gun, the gun will recoil (or push back) in the exact amount of energy that is used to push the bullet forward. At the same time the energy to move the bullet forward comes from stored chemical energy inside the bullet. This energy goes from organized energy into heat and sound and movement (kinetic) energy, as well as many other forms of degraded energy forces. So when taking into account that everything that happens, must originate from something else causing it, we logically must assume that there was a 'first pusher' .. that would be the equivalent of the initiator of the big bang for instance. It all had to start from someone. (some"One" because before time and space there was no Two .. ) I believe this is the reason why holy books talk about the movement of the sun and moon etc being evidence of God's existence for those who think. Possibly the question of "who created this?", or "who is moving this?", or "wow, what a beautiful design" .. "look at those graphics :)" , "who started this?" may come to mind. That is how witnessing a sunset or sunrise could lead to bigger faith.

This idea is a recent Christian invention and is very foreign to Judaism. Every Jewish individual is judged by his or her merits. Disbelief and rejection of the Torah actually transforms a person of Jewish descent into the most despised being far worse than idolaters, according to the Talmud and especially according to esoteric Jewish literature. However, according to our tradition Jews were chosen to keep specific commandment like not doing 39 forbidden works on the Sabbath or fasting 25 hours on Yom Kippur, which do not apply to other people, unless they convert to Judaism and become Jews themselves. But this is a great responsibility to perform very specific religious tasks, which comes with much greater potential punishments, not automatic benefit at all. Some Protestant Christians and the Zionists perverted the original idea, because their goal is to convert the Jews to Christianity or to secular nationalism. In tradtional Judaism, a heretic of Jewish descent is not a Jew at all.

So much drama over choosing a moderator for shiachat. Now imagine the drama and corruption that was there when choosing a non-legitimate leader to take over Muhammed s.a.w Sahih Bukhari itself narrates the chaos and disagreements and infighting. We already have so many moderators, yet are bickering over this. Now it's hard to imagine the admin of this website, dying without leaving behind another admin or facilitating the process to choose. Imagine someone as powerful as rasullah s.a.w dying - and i didn't say he had to choose, but could he not have atleast moderated and faciliated the process - like the SC Admins are doing? Did he just pass away and leave even the moderating to chaos, or even the instructions of moderation to chaos?

Salam, To tell you the whole story is indeed too much and not easy to tell by request. There were however some core-questions. One of those core questions that lead me to Shia Islam was actually triggered by Islamism. I always asked myself why we have no caliph so I checked early islamic history regarding succession and noticed that there were lot of things not right. There was a lot of unislamic behaviour especially towards the Ahl al-Bayt a.s. while they themselves never commited atrocities. It made me furious while in the same time I was introduced to the concept of Imamate and not long thereafter I found peace and certainty. The pattern of Imamate or better said guidance through divinely appointed was exactly the way things were described in the Quran from the creation of mankind untill Muhammad s.a.w. That same Quran which introduced me to Islam showed me its continuation of its pattern through the Ahl al-Bayt a.s. Islam means obedience to the One and True God and isn't a playground for childish power struggles based on jealousy, family quarrels and tribalism. Unfortunately this is what the usurpers made it look like but alhamdulillah truth is separated from falsehood for those who really and sincerely seek for guidance. The most miraculous of this all was that my supplication was the verse from al-Fatihah 'ihdina sirata l-mustaqeem' and years later I found out that this verse was about Imam Ali a.s. Alhamdulillah wa Shukrulillah .......

It's very clear who you were referring to. Also, you are going beyond your territory regardless. If you have any worries, message someone privately rather than publically calling this out to smear a candidacy or this process.

We reached to the character assassination level already? Makes me feel I'm in some final fantasy game....With Bradar as the Boss of level 16! I dont have any further questions, I think Abbas and Ali Muhammad are doing great job. I only hope that whoever will be selected will be an independent mod, a pillar standing on its own. And guys, private is private, it doesn't matter if its a big deal or a little deal. The year breach of small deal private issues warrant a ban from modship. You can always dodge anyone's pointless curiosity without fuelling it even more. On a lighter note :lol: Pakistanis are lobbying strongly here, iranians should work harder :lol: Cake, you have no 3ashira bro, you should call upon the waffles and the cupcakes Iraqis are obviously bad at lobbying , or they are really a minority here .. :lol: Hard luck!

^I took the liberty of breaking down some of Brother Magma's words that are really powerful (hope that's okay with him). When someone joins on board this community, they will realize that it is a clique system of sorts...and not in a cool way...they will easily move on to another medium. It's not because they're not interested, but because there's too many of a certain group of members that can voice their opinion without everyone else hounding on them (i.e. give Baradar Jackson a break y'all!) Regardless of the outcome of this election, Brother Magma's personality/writing style/sense of humor as a whole holds immense potential. It's very inviting and refreshing, and can work wonders for the masses. And like others have said, what makes up this forum are the "active" members--I mean I'm looking at the # of voters out of the thousands who have signed up as members. I think the most relevant question here is... what happened to those thousands, and why don't they feel like checking in? Just some thoughts on how we can make ShiaChat great again:)

السلام عليكم That will pose a number of unwelcoming matters and issues: Clashes with the 'Guest' function. For those that essentially want to post, converse, and participate under no restrictions. Often they will give preponderance to anonymity and seclusion at any level. Hence, 'Public forum'. Discouraging guests, equals less motivation to seek membership. Setting boundaries on certain topics/threads will only limit the audiences, on two-tiers. One, visitors searching for specific information, who will not bother registering when the objective is to 'Search and find', and anything imposing strain (e.i., to forcefully register) on time will be dismissed. Keeping in mind, ShiaChat is not the primary source of information. Hence, they will most likely move on. Two, guests who regularly visit the forum, will most likely not participate or stay, when we impose restrictions on popular threads of interest. If anything, decrease viewership and forum audiences. Eventually, less active potential members. More people registering does not equal more activity and participation in the forum. It's most likely the majority of those accounts will remain idle. Given the two former problematic matters. Being a member, does not equal quality posts and discussions. In other words, member population does not directly correlate with audience population and popularity of the forum or thread.This asserted assumption, should not be expressed in that definitive manner. [*] Via search engines they are not difficult to access. Neither will having a compilation of threads on various or one subject matter will be of much use, since they will still eventually read the whole thread to find what they are looking for. Islamic history and jurisprudence are more readily available outside the forum. It's most likely the discussions in those areas that will be of interest. Upon then, which of these 'Members' will decide which thread is worthy and non worthy? Assuming a well definite quality reliable answer (/various distinct answers) and an intellectual discussion are hallmarks for a worthy thread in those areas (e.i., Islamic History and jurisprudence). I would avoid these compilations if given they are under forum authority. Most likely they will be perceived that way (e.i., contents viewed as worthy or to a degree of consideration), since they would need to be pinned and assessed prior. Other areas beside Islamic History and jurisprudence might be more considerable. Wa `al-salam

Authority, power, and wealth doesnt change a human. It only reveals them.

Number 1. If it's not a big deal, it's not a big deal. If I believe it's sensitive, or the team considers it sensitive, then I won't say it. It's common sense.

What a Plant Knows, by Daniel Chamovitz It supports my confirmation bias with scientific research.

Wow! Proof that capitalist medical system doesn't work?

No, really, if we could acquire Iraqi tea leaves along with the recipe, we'd stop putting milk in it to make it tea. Iraqi tea is awesome, like the Iranian qahweh. But try drinking desi tea without milk and you'd throw up. And besides, our milky tea is another species, excellent if done well. The English who gave it to us have themselves forgotten the art of making good tea. Their tea is utterly useless, with or without milk. Apo: a strange creature whose meals consist of cigarettes.

Wow. For ShiaChat, this sounds like a big presidential elections. But then the mods wake up and realize its just online. So, what do these future royal mods promise their fellow members?

Bro Ammar has been giving great answers but I wanted to add another point if I may. Power and authority are often used interchangeably, but they have different meanings. Power is the ability to influence through force (not necessarily violent; often simply through formal political structures and such). Authority is the ability to influence, through influence. For example: the pope doesn't have any power nowadays, but he does have a lot of authority. Now, who gives authority? In many cases, it's people. If enough people invest themselves in a particular individual, then that individual gains authority. But of course: this does not necessarily make that authority legitimate. Our belief is that our Imams' authority comes from God. Which is why they have authority even if they are left without any companions or worldly status (and thus, no "power"). In any case: Seyyed Ali Khamenei only possesses "power" in Iran. But if one accepts the theory of WF, then the belief is that his "authority" stretches beyond that and to all Muslims. I hope that helps, instead of confounding it more.

I was watching DeutscheWelle in Jan 14. The program "In Good Shape" ran a detailed (for TV) discussion about the weight and obesity crisis in Germany. The national gov't investigated. Start date determined for the "weight gain" phenomena is 1972. Analysis of organs showed tiny cysts (I think this is the correct word) formed in the liver. These also trigger diabetes "by another route". Eliminating environmental and industrial chemicals showed this came from the food supply. What was found in the food supply that fit all data? High Fructose Corn Syrup -only. Not "Corn Syrup", like Kayo, this is different. HFCS use began in Germany in 1972. It all fit. So I immediately stopped anything with HFCS in it. Read the labeling and if HFCS is in it, I put it back on the shelf. No point in damaging the only liver you have. HFCS is also listed under "masking" names. It is in most things needing a sweetener. Two week ago, I found it in "Aunt Millie's" bread. Here, a totally unnecessary ingredient. Result: After about 3 months I started losing weight fast. ? I guess it took 3 months for my liver to clear this junk out. ? According to my doctor's scales, in the following 3-4 months I dropped 11kgs. Then another 3 kgs. Then the weight loss slowed. Yet last month I punched another hole in my belt. I did not change anything else. I still eat 5 meals per day, plus snacking on stuff with no HFCS in it. I have noticed that several product packages now have "NO High Fructose Corn Syrup" prominently displayed this past Summer. Addendum: I found 3 quick links with info, each does have different info within: http://naturalsociety.com/watch-corporations-renamed-high-fructose-corn-syrup/ http://hsionline.com/2013/01/31/spot-high-fructose-corn-syrup/ http://drtunisjr.com/8-fake-names-for-high-fructose-corn-syrup/

Darn, but you have to ask yourself; Do you really want to see the terrible face I make when eating apple pie? The only way I can eat apple pie is covered in a cup of cinnamon sugar and cold,never warm.

1. God chose the Imams, and manifested them in the Quran generally, and named them in the Sunnah specifically by the Rasool as well as hadith qudsi. The Imams also emphasized on the names and emphasized on each successor confirming the 12 names named by God and his Messenger. 2. It could be due to Imam Hussain being the younger Imam, the 3rd one, who succession is then to. It could be due to the name of Hussain, emphasize on manifestations of beauty in the offspring of Hussain. It could be that Allah [swt] wished to have 3 of the Imams present in Al-Kisaa, so made two of them into brothers. It could be a combination of many reasons. 3. See 2. 4. There were needs of Imams and Prophets after Musa and Harun were revealed revelation and formed a book. The Imams were there to guide people and steer them in the right direction. They also revealed revelations from God to the people that served as judgement in the differences they had and often had to revive the message which was getting lost. However, in this nation, while there are Imams, there is no revelations revealed after the Quran, but the Sunnah itself is to be safeguarded and teachings are to be taught by the Imams that are in accordance to the revelation. Guidance of God has always been the way of God to guide people towards his religion. Books are emphasized as guidance but so are human Imams. Books are rope from God but so are Imams, uniting in one rope from God. 5. Sunni understanding of Caliphate is that someone leading the nation and is head in government is a "Caliph" which can mean ruler which would have no problem but it's primary meaning is succession, and regarding that, Sunnis saw the head government as successor to the Prophet, while Shia understanding of "Caliph" is that it really means successor to the Prophet who then must be chosen by God and carrier his spiritual, religious, social and political authority while Sunnis limit "succession" to political power. In our hadiths the Imams are also called God's Caliphs, which means either Rulers or Representatives. So both these meanings in the full sense of the word apply to the Imams. However Imammate is to emphasize on leadership and guidance regardless of power. 6. There is entire threads on the topic of ghayba. Let's just say the world needs an Imam to spiritually guide them and show them the inward example in the spiritual levels, and aside from that, is there so when the world wants God in their lives and the conditions are right, a chosen elite of God will be there to guide humanity to justice and lead them on the straight path. 7. Yes Imams are in Quran. For example 42:23 along with 25:57 show the family of Mohammad are the way to God. 4:59 is revealed in context of the divine authority of the family of Ibrahim emphasized and is obvious it's the same type of authority if we reflect clearly and sincerely. 8. In my opinion there is two sets of hadiths. Hadiths showing Imam Ali for example not expecting people to steal Caliphate from him. Imam Hussain not expecting people to betray him and hoping for victory. Then there is the fatalistic type hadiths where it seems they knew before hand the nation would betray them. I believe there are Surahs that warning in both ways of warnings and good news, a balance approach where it seems there is a very high chance people turn on their backs, but also it's done in a way, that this fate can be avoided. It's warning them to be different. It's telling them they were the best of people so to avoid the fate of turning on their backs after the covenant. We know in history majority didn't stick to the rope of God and failed to aide the chosen ones. But the question is it is ever inevitable? Is fate really determined before it happens? I have my own position, and all I can do is advise you to think about the tone of the Quran in it's warnings and verses about this subject.

Science knows nothing: Here is why: Every scientist knows that all things are made up of energy. Basically, 'atoms' are made up of positive energy fields at the core (proton, neutron), with a negative field of energy surrounding it (electron). In reality matter is made of the same "thing" as sound, light, X Ray, ultra sound and gravity. Even though scientists will tell you they know all about energy from measuring it and studying it, they do not know what it is. Ask any physicist "what is energy?" , they won't be able to go further than calling 'it' names like electromagnetic waves or quanta. Ask them the next question of "what is the electromagnetic wave or quanta", and they won't know. Nobody knows and that is the end and limitation of science (our minds). We know nothing - literally. And that is where the door is that leads to religion and surrendering to the Light (another name for God). Light exists and we can never understand it with our limited minds.

Yes! Science is a misnomer. The word means "knowledge", but really science is the process of exploring and attempting to understand The Creation. We will never in this life fully understand the universe, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

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ILLUMINATI, ITS ALL TRUE, I HEARD IT THAT ONE TIME ON THIS ONE WEBSITE WITH THIS ONE GUY, IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME THATS YOUR PROBLEM, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED, GOD BLESS!!!!

It is sad that, nobody remembers the hundreds of thousands civilians that die innocently in these wars, but only remember the few....

Now I know how Jeremy Corbyn feels...

^ No, I get it. Minimize the damage, that's the principle. I do that quite often. Of course, I can't replicate the taste but it satisfies the gut to some extent. I don't put butter or cheese in my white sauce if I can concoct a fairly decent alternative with milk and flour only, with a little bit of fat free cheese to give it a flavour. For my pasta, it works.

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Dear brother baradar_jackson. I do not have an issue with you supporting candidate magma's way of humour but it would be disturbing if magma agrees with your way of humour, because this could bode disaster for the future of SC, I'm afraid to say. As we have seen gazillion times, your idea of humour is to laugh at other people's expense, by calling them names, throwing unnecessary ad hominems, berating them, even harassing them. Who would know this better than I, and whoever have found herself under the volley of your "humour." I'm not speaking out of ether. If you insist on disagreeing with my assessment then you'll need to remember the punitive measures management has taken over the years for your behaviour. Speaking of light-hearted, I'm one., but frivolous behaviour I do not support. I used to employ emoticons a lot when they worked; I joke and banter around the forum; I'd welcome a laid back environment where every word, poem and reference to the outside world isn't cutout for its perceived haramness just because it doesn't agree with a mod's personal taste; I don't like mirthless agelasts who are offended by the mere fact of others having a good laugh and bring down their authoritarian mod stick on whim like a mullah from the masjid round the corner who never laughs in the name of Islam because he's afraid of showing his crooked teeth. Yes, I have had my moments of weakness when I let go of my reason and integrity and resorted to degrading others, but I've grown out of and moved on. But you , it saddens me to say, are still stuck in the same guy teen anti-social behaviour in the name of humour. You, bro, are no stand up comedian. This is Shiachat all right. I wish I did not enjoy some of the funny things you say. But that's the problem: I like it, sometimes enjoy it, but I don't approve of it. I fight with my nafs; you fight with everyone who doesn't see eye to eye with you.

"The value of a human being today is measured in terms of his economic efficiency and her erotic potential." _Anonymous.

Can we acclaim GC Emperor of ShiaChat?Then, if I'm ever in trouble here, may I ,like the Apostle Paul,appeal to Caesar ...since the Vatican doesn't apply? PS I also am not a huge fan of apple pie. I'm a cherry pie girl.

Darn right....when you have to bring that venison home to her folks before you can get married....;-)

It's common to see young males attending a wedding with parents but not by themselves. So we thought about the risk. We didn't want to be seen sitting alone for more than 5 minutes at a stretch, in case someone got us into a conversation. We thought we could pass off as the groom's friends but usually the age difference was noticeable. So we used to linger just outside till the commotion for food was about to begin and join in the feast. Everything is forgotten when food is served in a Paki wedding.

You should check out some of Imam Ali (a.s) hadiths on the physical world and the things that surround. There are some very insightful things that you will learn. Some things that have been recently proven or found, our Imam said 1400 years ago.

What is the reason for the Saudis being main players in the talks? Is it because their carry a lot of weight with the groups that they fund? (is this accepted by the world?)

My brother made this, don't knock it till you try it, it's are really nice.