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Evading Iron Dome, radar and countless other intelligence systems before being taken down near Dimona, Ayyoub is an impressive new addition to Hezbollah's UAV arsenal.

I've noticed this too. Generally the ones who say things like "No Sunni would ever be attracted to convert based on this approach" have been Shi`as all their lives. While those of us who actually are converts might see it very differently. People need to realize that when you convert from one religion to another (or sect if you will), there's generally going to be some element of anger involved, some rejection of what you were previously upon and the people you used to believe in. The mild politically correct approach, might win you some friends (though if those same friends then take the time to actually read our books we might just come out of it looking like liars), but people generally are not going to convert on such a basis. If they come off thinking "oh they're really just like us in the end", what's the point then of leaving what they are already upon? And when you think of it, which approach is actually really showing mercy to these people, the one that leaves them feeling secure to stay on their path of misguidance whose end is the Hellfire, or the one that wakes them up like a bucket of cold water to the face, and shakes them out of it to seek salvation?

Waiting for HIM It's not funny but when I first saw it I thought it belonged to a love sick little girl waiting for her "knight in shining armor"...

Wait, sorry? "tact" and "civility" have no place in Islam? :wacko:

Exam tomorrow :'( in need of a dua guys

Btw, you know there are 12 Imams and not just the first 3 right?

Salams All, Sorry I've been missing in action for a few years now, came back to post this in hopes that you too can share this and spread the word and help. Watch: http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/helping-back-home-in-iraq-video-5107502 Link to org: http://www.iraqicare.org/ Thanks, Ws. Ali

What happens in the 'West' has an impact on 'Third-world countries' too you know, especially in this globalised world of the Internet. Personally, I have many sunni friends, I would feel ashamed and disgusted to give them any of his speeches. On the other hand, I do give them Sayyid Kamal's lectures, and it has a positive impact, whereby they recognise that we have a solid methodology of our own and are attracted by it. Do you see any intellectual Sunnis getting attracted at what habib has to say? And do you think that what he is giving is 'our beliefs and views'? that is a joke. He is just abusing, reviling, fooling around, pointing fingers about irrelevant issues, not discussing the main points. His only concern is to rile them up. Acting calm and serene is not Akhlaq. Some of the greatest Munafiqs had silver tongues. It is in the content of what you say and to which audience and for what purpose - where we know the Akhlaq of someone. Having said this, even when you have a solid content, you still have to have tactful presentation As the Qur'an says to the prophet æóáóæú ßõäÊó ÝóÙøðÇ ÛóáöíÙó ÇáúÞóáúÈö áóÇäÝóÖøõæÇ ãöäú Íóæúáößó 'And if you had been harsh and hard hearted, they would have dispersed from you' What points?, and what arguments?, most of these from what I have seen are from weak and spurious sources. [i.e. Abubakr & Umar sodomy, Aisha adultery, death of the prophet, etc.] Plus stupid Bid'as like celebrating death of figures revered by others. In short, he does more harm to the Shia cause than good, and that is what I judge him by. The only thing in his favour is that he knows Arabic, and that is a pull for some of his fans, but that is just a language, we have to get above that childish stage, academic wise he is quite poor [and unschooled].

La`nat Ma Man. It's a shame he changed it :dry:

ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ÇÈä ÝÖÇá¡ Úä ÇÈä ÈßíÑ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ ÇÈä ãÓáã¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈÏÇááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) ÞÇá: ßáãÇ ÊÞÇÑÈ åÐÇ ÇáÇãÑ ßÇä ÃÔÏ ááÊÞíÉ [Muhammad b. Ya'qub from] Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Fadhal from Ibn Bukayr from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abi Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã who said: the more this matter becomes closer/nearer (i.e. the rise of al-Qaim) - the more will be the need for Taqiyyah. Alas, for people like habib, the opposite is true, clearly contradicting this Mu'tabar Hadith. Another thing with him is his poor Akhlaq, I do not listen to the man and I am of the Shia, so what about the Mukhalifeen, first Akhlaq, then all else. Lastly, he uses weak and spurious sources MOST of the time, in other words he is a collecter of all the garbage, then puts it together, why would I want to fill my mind with his garbage.

I've got mixed feelings about Habib. Something no one can deny is that he is knowledgeable and resourceful; he is not the typical angry populist shaykh that people may accuse him of being. He is someone that has clearly read the sources and presents them without painting a sanitized or vehement image of them. There were probably many shaykhs and Shi`as in our history who were just like Habib, and all that which he says is not unheard of our unsubstantiated. But I also disagree with many aspects of his strategy. While he references the sources he uses, I would prefer that he looks into the authenticity of these sources via rijal before presenting them. There are many narrations about the caliphs and the wives, but very little of what he uses actually have a reputable source. And when you're attaching accusations of sodomy or the murder of the Prophet, they are big charges with serious consequences, and they need to be substantiated by assured proof. It would be better to discuss the crimes that all are well-recognized and well-established (and there are many) rather than dig through questionable material. Secondly, while I believe taqiyya is used improperly by the political so-called "pro-unity" Shi`as (the same crowd who will support tawagheet like Assad and Russia against Sunnis and yet claim to love them), and our deen is being sacrificed for our politics, this does not make taqiyya lifted or removed. His honesty is respectable and unlike other speakers, he's not fooling Shi`as into the exoneration of historical personalities. The "taqiyya" of our scholars on these issues has never been like how it is today. But this mentality of being purposefully controversial and letting the fights happen is not Shi`ism at its core - yet it's the most recognizable part of Habib's strategy. He discusses other topics yes, but they will be forever overshadowed by his celebrating of people's death-days, unnecessary mubahalas, and cursing of other Shi`as. Am I the only one tired of discussing Abu Bakr and `Umar? It's a part of this inferiority complex our community has, that we need to constantly prove ourselves to the Sunnis. This can be done in two ways; either legitimizing ourselves in Sunni circles by likening our two sects to each other, or focusing fully on the argumentative destruction of the other sect. Frankly, both tactics are bad for our community. Islam is not a personality cult, it is a full way of life, and while Habib contributes to that, the people tuning in to his program (both for and against him) are looking for Shi`i talking points on historical personalities. That is what he will be remembered for. I don't believe taqiyya is lifted at our time; on the contrary, the narrations say that taqiyya will be more intensely needed before the rise of the Mahdi (aka taqiyya during the ghayba, where no Imams are in danger). By extension, I think Habib is going too far and his actions are probably contributing to the killing of Shi`as around the world - who live by and require that taqiyya. At the same time, that does not mean we should be tricking people into thinking we like `A'isha. Present your arguments against them, but do so in an effective manner, using the best arguments and sources with Islamic akhlaq. Lastly, the words batri and bakri need to be dropped from his vocabulary. Calling fellow Shi`as batris is effectively calling for their takfeer. It's better to criticize someone's arguments and evidences rather than their character. As I've said before, you can't call taqiyya-people batris when the batris hated taqiyya. Although I can't judge his intentions, to me it seems that his acting overly-controversial is a way to gain attention and attract followers - and as a counter-balance to those who are opposite to him.

I'll make a new one for you It will be 'Cold cold'

(bismillah) A New Convert Two neighbors became good friends. One was a Christian, the other, Muslim. They often discussed their religions to see what was more conducive to a civilized way of life, and then they adopted it. The Muslim presented Islam with all its material and spiritual benefits, so the Christian, one day, embraced Islam. A few days later, earlier than dawn, somebody knocked at his door. "Whose there?" asked the new convert, a little apprehensive. "I am your neighbour. It will soon be time for the morning obligatory prayer (Fajr), so wear your clothes, perform ablution and come with me to the mosque. Today, we will offer our prayers with the congregation." The new Muslim consented, and they both reached the mosque. "Fasting is a means of gaining nearness to God," the neighbor said. The convert declared the intention of fasting for the day. Since there was some time left for the call for prayer (Aazaan), they both offered some units of prayer for spiritual satisfaction. Soon it was time, and they offered their Fajr prayer. After reciting all the supererogatory prayers advised by religious leaders, the convert got up to go home. "Where are you going?" "Home," he replied. "Hold on. Its now time to read the Holy Quran." He placed the Quran before him, and they both read till the bright rays of the sun fell on them. The convert rose to go home, but the Muslim stopped him again. This time he stopped him for the Zuhr prayer, as only an hour remained. After the afternoon prayer and all the supererogatory prayers had been read, it was almost time for the evening, Asr, prayer. Having completed that, the man said he was going home to break his fast after sunset. His neighbor advised him to offer the Maghrib prayer. He agreed. After that, he stood up to leave. "Only the I’sha prayer is left. After that you can go home." The neighbor urged. After offering the night prayer, the new convert went home. There was a knock at his door again, at the time of Sehr. "Whose there?" he asked. "Wear your clothes and come, we will offer our prayer in the mosque." "Excuse me. I returned to my religion after staying with you yesterday. Go find somebody useless who has nothing to do but pray. I am a family man, and need to provide for them. I have other duties and responsibilities to fulfill. I cannot just pray to God all day and survive on nothing. Get lost!" Imam Jafar al-Sadiq (‘a) related this incident to his followers and said: "Thus, a pious and God fearing Muslim converted a non-believer to Islam. But, it took the new convert only one day to give it up because of the rigid and extreme measures adopted by the Muslim. Remember, force and rigidity lead to unease, frustration, and discontentment. The Ummayads used force to make people obey them, and received nothing but contempt. Promote religion affectionately, courteously, mildly, with mutual consent. Our methods should make people embrace Islam by choice, and practice it according to the level of their faith and energy - both physical and mental." Source: Anecdotes of the AhlulBayt by Shaheed Mutahhari (wasalam)

Thoughts: remembering one morning, when i was tired, i got a glass, cereal and milk out. I put the cereal in and put milk in the bowl, sat down with a spoon and was about to start eating my coco pops.... The cereal wasn't in the bowl. It was in the glass.

He is a very rude invidual and so are his followers. He needs to learn akhlaq. He nor his followers have any akhlaq. Is it neccissary to call Syed Musavi a fake scholar and a batri?

Take however long you need. Just don't rush it or feel pressured. However, just be aware that if you two have drastically different timelines, it may not work out. Ex. if you need six months and he needs only a month, he may not wait, but you definitely shouldn't feel pressured to make a decision sooner than you are ready.

such a cringeworthy statement. If you want more people to join, you should probably put my name first and in big letters, since I am the pride of the people :)

sallam alykum. I am applying for jobs, please read dua for me! thank you!

Read this Dua too, insh'Allah it will aid you :) By the truth of Yaseen and the Quran full of wisdom.. And for the sake of Taa-haa and the great Qu'ran.. O He Who is able to fulfill the desires of those ask... O He Who knows what is in the heart... O He Who banishes sorrow from the sorrowful... O He Who dispels grief from those who grieve... O He Who is merciful to old men... O He Who provides for infants... O He Who needs not to be explained... Send blessings upon Muhammad and his progeny.. O glories creator, fulfill for me with what you see suffice... grant me with give me abundant sustenance... make easy for me its seeking.. let its source be near me and let me not in vain run after the sustenance you have not selected for me, because you do not want to punish me.. whereas I am always in need of Your mercy. Give generously your superabundant bounties to Your servant, verily you are the owner of limitless gifts...

Why does it have to be that they have "thrown him under the bus" as you claim? He him self curses many other shia individuals - as well as schoalrs who people take as maraja - and insults them. Generally what goes around comes around. Why should these institutions stick up for him?

(salam) (wasalam)

Salam, I was just wondering if the concept of soul mates exists in Islam? I was sunni before and no such concept existed for sunnis, but seeing that Ali (as) and Lady Fatima (as) were meant for each other, I was wondering if soul mates might actually exist.... If they do exist, whats the exact definition of it? A person who is a perfect match for you? I feel a little silly asking but I was just curious:p

A Hard question to answer. Sometimes people have an almost instant understanding of one another, sometimes people live with other ppl for years and wake up with a realisation that the person theyre with isnt who they thought they were at all. I would say your best bet is to trust your 'gut'. Our subconscious often picks up minute signals from people that our conscious misses, and it is translated to us in a 'gut' feeling. The 'knowing' of someone can only ever be an approximation imo, most people hardly know themselves so knowing another in some kind of absolute sense is impossible.

I find it very strange to hear the argument being used against al-Habib that he is not living up to taqiyya. If it was from folks who actually lived by it themselves (i.e. pretended to be for all intents and purposes practicing Sunnis) they might have a point, but I don't really see that here. Who among you would hesitate to tell others they believe in the rightful succession of Amir al-Mu'mineen (as), in the Imamate of the Twelve Imams (as), about the particular practices that set us apart such as the manner of our wudu, salat, and laws such as mut`a? If you've been (more or less) consistently open about those, then you aren't really practicing taqiyya yourselves either. This is especially the case if you don't believe in such things as insulting and cursing such people, because if you don't, what's left for you to be doing taqiyya about? I also notice that the harshest criticism (not even really critique, which I wouldn't have such a problem with, but just downright revilement and insulting) tends to come from those who would identify themselves as supporters of Iran and its leadership. Which then makes me wonder since they're suddenly going on about taqiyya, how (like al-Habib mentions here) they reconcile this with for example Khomeini's opposition to the Shah and then the revolution itself? Is it keeping in taqiyya to start openly calling for the overthrow of the ruling government? And then with what followed afterwards as a consequence it, leading to the deaths of thousands and thousands of people with the Iran/Iraq war (not saying Saddam wasn't at fault there, but I highly doubt the war would've happened without the revolution)? If al-Habib is criticized for saying something that might tick off some extremist Sunnis to go blow themselves up and kill some of us, how do you justify supporting the above acts that lead to the deaths of so many more? And what about all those narrations that would seem to prohibit such risings before that of the Qa'im (ajfs)? What you somehow ta'wil those ones away to insignificance, and but then castigate others for supposedly not following the taqiyya hadiths? I also have to wonder in connection with this, if say al-Habib was exactly how he is today, said all the same things, with the major exception of him being a supporter of the Iranian regime, would we still find this harsh assessment of him by such people?

you're weird im gonna do takfeer on your group.

Who isnt exposing their charicter? 90% of shia propagation work is about what happened to Ahlulbayt (as) at the hands of the enemies, and usurpation of the khilaha. The entire essence of the shia religion is based on the wilayat of Amir al mumineen (as) this is the most central point of the religion - and that position was stolen from him - common sense tells you that the people who stole it are kaffirs, its obvious. People have been claiming this entire thread that there are people who cant understand this topic because we are not out cursing these people 24/7 openly. If some one is that ignorant - that they accept shi'sm and they cant understand some thing as basic as wilyayat - and any thing outside of the wilayat of imam ali (as) being kufr - then may be they don't deserve to have some one teach it to them. I mean honestly - who is really that dumb? If they cant figure it out, then try to explain it to them, if htey stil cant get it - not our problem any more. But back to the topic at hand - Exposing people is one thing - going out in the street and yelling umar is a homosexual kafir - is another thing You are not going to get any where like that. Plus such a thing is not allowed, it causes problems for people world wide. - Stating the crimes of the enemies of ahlulbayt - no problem, there is not 1 scholar on earth who will tell you such a thing is forbiden (unless of course doing that will put your life in danger in some extreme situation). - Cursing the enemies of Ahlulbayt (some by name) -also no problem, we have many duas and narrations on this, and every Marja agrees on that, this is wajib and this part and parcel of the faith no one can deny that. - What is not part and parcel of the religion however is going out and making a huge fuss in front of sunnis and getting them riled up and just antagonizing them. You are saying because sunnis are acting like children - we should too? Who cares how they act, you and every other shia person knows their beliefs are kufir any way - imam baqir (as) used to tell the shias, are you not satisfied that your prayers and hajj and fasting are accepted, while none of their prayers/fasting/hajj are accepted? Expose all the faults in their religion, thats fine. But when you start resorting to openly cursing people on t.v, and debasing people - then its a serious problem. I mean look the imam is saying it very clearly: Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq was told: 0 son of the Messenger of Allah, verily we see in the mosque one who openly abuses your enemies, calling out their names. And he said: May Allah curse him! Why does he refer to us? He, Who is Exalted above all, says: "Revile not those who invoke (deities) other than Allah, lest wrongfully they revile Allah through ignorance" [6, 108] And Imam Ja'far in explaining this verse has said: So do not revile them, lest they revile your 'Ali. And he also said: He who reviles the friend (wali) of Allah (i.e. All) has reviled Allah. And the Prophet said: He who reviles thee, 0 'Ali, has verily reviled me; and he, who reviles me, has verily reviled Allah. I don't see how this issue can be any more clear than that.... And since it seems you are having trouble understanding why scholars say the things they do in private or in their own books - and then say other things publicly read this narration carefully and understand it: And Imam Ja'far said: Verily, I hear a man abusing me in the mosque; and I hide myself behind a pillar so that he may not see me. And he (Imam Ja'far) said: Mix with the people (enemies) outwardly, but oppose them inwardly, so long as the Amirate (imratun) is a matter of opinion. And he also said: Verily diplomacy (arri'a') with a true believer is a form of shirk (polytheism); but with a hypocrite (munafiq) in his own house, it is worship. And he also said: He who prays with them (hypocrites) standing in the first row, it is as though he prayed with the Prophet in the first row. And he also said: Visit their sick and attend their funerals and pray in their mosques. And he also said: (You should) become an ornament for us, and not a disgrace. And he said: May Allah have mercy on a person who inculcates friendship towards us among men, and does not provoke ill-will among them.

Yeah, no doubt about that.

yeah i speak about the crimes of the enemies of ahlulbayt all the time - in fact I curse them after every single prayer: we are talking about two different subjects - cursing the enemies of ahlulbayt (which is wajib) - cursing them by name openly - and using it to antagonize sunnis - and also defaming them - those are two seperate issues, and if you look the narration states very clearly that cursing them openly in front of the general public is forbiden. I don't knwo this issue always seemed like common sense to me, i don't know how people can't figure it out

Sorry, I don't mean to personally offend you in the least, but brother, your side (of course not you personally) is also well known for being loudmouth. :) And nothing wrong with spaming youtube with conversion stories. You should encourage the pro-unity crowd to produce more videos of them achieving success in spreading Shiism than just all those pointless rally videos that never changes anything much in the world.

Who has instagram on here?

I do not like him, I don't like the way he speaks about other Shias and he has terrible manners. That itself is enough for me to have no respect for him. It's not even a religious issue I have with him, it's a human issue. He has no people skills.

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Is this a serious question? People need to learn to stop taking everything every Tom, Richard, or Harry says on the mimbar seriously. News flash: they don't always know what they are talking about, and when it comes to non-religious matters such as science, history, or other religions, they hardly ever know what they are talking about.

(bismillah) The most commonly asked question regarding Abu Bakr Caliphate is that, then why did Imam Ali stopped Abu Bakr and fought for his right!! I think there could be no proper reply then this... (92) (Moses) said: "O Aaron! what kept thee back, when thou sawest them going wrong, (93) "From following me? Didst thou then disobey my order?" (94) (Aaron) replied: "O son of my mother! Seize (me) not by my beard nor by (the hair of) my head! Truly I feared lest thou shouldst say, 'Thou has caused a division among the children of Israel, and thou didst not respect my word!'" Quran, Surah TaHa (20),Ayaah 92-94

hehehe I had that song memorized in that exact accent 2! I still sing it sometimes lol u guys got what'sapp for SC! who's in it? thought: winter is coming! I can't wait for nights of hot chocolate! <3

recite a fatiha for these people.

I don't think there was ever an age of absolute taqiyyah. However in response to the claim that everyone knows our beliefs, let me quote Dar'ul_Islam: If some Shia do not know these things, do you expect the majority of sunnis to read the books and get a proper understanding of our beliefs? The wider Muslim population is not like Shiachat or any of these other forums with Shia-Sunni polemics. Most Sunnis are not like Abdur Rahman Dimashqiyyah. If they came across a Shia hadith book online, they wouldn't even know what to make of it.

You're one of those that opens drama threads about leaving eh? If you must it is here http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/forum/17-technical-support-suggestions-and-feedback/

I did watch the whole video and I would say that his is an argumentum verbosium. What struck me was how incoherent his argument is. He changes his position a few times and he contradicts himself. Two examples that I can remember: 1, He says that we need a dual approach with some people doing 'taqiyyah' and others being open with the truth. If this is the case then why do he and his faction insist that the time for taqiyyah is over? They always condem those who do this 'taqiyyah'. 2, He said that the only difference between him and the mainstream scholars is the public cursing. He claimed that the scholars speak out but do not curse. However later in the video he says that no one is exposing Abu Bakr and Umar. I didn't say that.

oh, the things ya find on tumblr haha

Hungry? Anyone? Ok.

(wasalam) Commentary from al-islam.org on the ayat mentioned by Sayed Muhammad Al Musawi: [Pooya/Ali Commentary 6:108] In the early years of preaching some of the believers, while arguing with the infidels, did not use discreteness and the skill of spiritual teachers like the Holy Prophet and his Ahl ul Bayt, and in the heat of disputation resorted to harsh language. When the idolaters of Makka went to Abu Talib and sought his mediation to stop the show of disrespect to their idols, this verse was revealed. Islam combats against what is wrong and unpardonable (Luqman : 13 and Nisa : 116) through spiritual light so as to dispel darkness and show the right path. Although idolatry has been condemned, yet vilification of the weakness of the opponents has been discouraged in order that the infidels may not, as a reaction, persist in their self-obsession, and obstinately refuse to see the light of guidance. Kind words and show of compassion has brought many an adversary to the fold of Islam. Moreover Allah does not want that through the uncivilised behaviour of the believers His most glorious name is drawn into mud-slinging.Yasir Habib's opinions seem (to me at least) to go against the spirit of the holy Quran. -- Let's examine Yasir Habib's main points: (and why I disagree) - because Wahabi terrorists didn't mention Yasir Habib's speeches as the reason they were bombing Shias, he can't be blamed for the bombings (hopefully everyone sees this is a very weak point, unless the terrorists specifically take Yasir's name he won't stop insulting) - being harsh actually helps protect Shia blood, by placing fear in Bakris/Sunnis, and cites Safavi movement in Iran as an example (does not make sense unless he has plans to be violent, overthrow the oppressive governments and and actually protect Shias from the killings) - attack is the best form of defense (unbelievably naive; like Bush's pre-emptive attacks doctrine backfired he will hurt and give us more enemies; may God save us from people who think this way) - Imam Hussain didn't practice taqiyya, and people were killed as a result, therefore we shouldn't have a principle of avoiding things that result in Shia deaths (poor analogy because 1. Imam Hussain was giving his and his followers lives to save the religion from being corrupted by the ruler Yazid; I can't think of anything being gained now from losing Shia Muslim lives 2. Imam Hussain didn't insult his opponents, on the contrary, even after some of the hostilities against his camp Imam acted with dignity and appealed to them that they stop (Imam Hussain didn't 'revolt', as Yasir Habib puts it in the video)) - Sheikh Mufeed condemned Aisha, Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman (doesn't reference exact places and whether by 'condemned' he was referring to insulted or explained why they were wrong; the latter obviously no one has a problem with) - our previous scholars knew about Taqiyya but still did not hide the oppression of the enemies of Ahlulbayt; if our previous scholars had hidden it we wouldn't have known now (like in previous point looks like he is confusing insulting with pointing out why they were wrong; name-calling and insulting is unneeded and destructive, civilized criticism should be employed) - I don't insult them, just describe them, as 'oppressor' or 'murderer', and do la'nat on them, and yet even insulting them is not wrong, insulting is allowed and recommended for them (we should disassociate from the oppressors as Yasir Habib says in his explanation, but we should adopt a more civilized way of doing it) - Abu Bakr and Umar are revered in Islamic world because there's no one exposing the truth of Abu Bakr and Umar; Prophet says 'increase your insults against them' (there are many exposing Abu Bakr and Umar, just not in the way Yasir Habib curses; and he provides no reference or evidence of that saying of the Prophet) - the scholars of our time, Khumaini and Sadr, why don't you disapprove of them despite their revolts, didn't they avoid reconciliation with Shah and Saddam, weren't Shias killed as a result? In the Iran-Iraq war 800,000 were murdered, because of opposition to Saddam. If you approve of those political efforts, approve of our religious efforts as well (fighting actual physical oppression is not the same as unprovoked cursing, so again an inappropriate analogy, plus the Iran-Iraq war wasn't part of the revolution but happened a couple years after) - which of the two movements causes greater success in converting Sunnis to Shia, I challenge them by numbers and videos; in my method I have converted Sunni youths but they haven't converted anyone, and if they have then it's few (no evidence presented of his claims, and this issue is more about unity among Muslims, avoiding fitna, and protecting Shia lives, than increasing Shia population)