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Thoughts: Kisi Ne Mujhse Wafa ka Matlab Poocha.. Main Ne Qalm uthaaya aur "ABBAS" (as) Likh Daala.. :wub: Someone Asked me to Explain what LOYALTY means.. I picked the pen up and wrote ABBAS (as)

ASSALAAMULAYKUM... EID MUBARAK TO ALL MEMBERS AND PLEASE GIVE A SALWAT PROPHET MUHMMED (as) AND ALL OUR IMAMS AN THEIR COMAPINONS ( MUKTAHR (as) ) ALSO ALL OUR BIBI'S AND TO ALL THE MARHOMMEN!!! AND A FINAL LOUD SALWAT TO OUR LIVING IMAM MAHDI (as) MAY HE COME SOON TO OUR RESCUE! JAZAKULLAH.. FINAMANILLAH!!

Nice to see someone specializing in a meaningful topic other than mut'a :lol:

Sorry for the late response Eid and family duties delayed me from answering your questions. (1) im sorry if you were hoping to keep this a secret forever, but you should have known it would be the very first thing i asked. you once flew to kuwait, and from kuwait, over several weeks/ months, you WALKED TO KARBALA. please tell us this ziarah, in as much detail as possible, right down to the number of times you scratched your head. I think you may have been misinformed, I was originally planning to do the walk from the Kuwait border/basra to Karbala, but unfortunately due to a number of reasons out of my control I was not able to do it. It is a life time goal though, I hope that Imam Hussain invites me to see him again and allows me the honor of being among those who walk long distances and strive through difficulties to see him. The late Marja – Sayed Burujardi (as reported by his students and friends) in his later years had a severe eye problem that hindered him in his studies/teaching. He went for ziyarat in Iraq and there while he was in the south of Iraq he came across a group of zuwar on a train that had made the trip to karbala from various cities barefoot. One of them was asleep and he had some mud on his feet which had collected from his trip. Sayed Burujardi says he took some of the mud off the foot of the man and then asked for the shifa’a of Imam Hussain and rubbed the mud on his eye, and instantly his vision problem was corrected. He used to tell everyone about this story, as a reminder of the blessings of making the ziyarat of aba abdillah . That ziyarat trip was a very blessed one for me, even though I was unable to do the long walk as I had planned. There are many people who do not understand things of this nature, ie spending 8-9 days walking to see Aba Abdillah (as). I have a friend in najaf, a shaikh who is a teacher at the howza and a fairly well known speaker in Iraq who recites the tragedy of Imam Hussain (as). Every year he walks from najaf to Karbala barefoot through the hot desert. Even his own students at the howza question him about it, and say he is an educated scholar etc, why is he doing such things? He would tell them that for imam hussain (as) it is worth it, even if it means walking for days in hot desert sands and burning his feet. فَاخْلَعْ نَعْلَيْكَ ۖ إِنَّكَ بِالْوَادِ الْمُقَدَّسِ طُوًى “put off thy shoes: thou art in the sacred valley Tuwa” During my trip I was able to visit the various shrines, and ask for my needs. I find the haram of aba abdillah to be a most amazing place. Every Friday night (Thursday night by solar calendar) it is full of people, I mean full to the extent where you can barely move around. The narrations say the Angels come there, and probably the Imam is there along with holy servants who are unknown to us. It is beautiful to be there on Friday nights, looking around and wondering where the Imam may be. There are so many people sometimes it almost feels like you cannot breathe, and it makes you think of the Day of Judgment. Everyone is standing around crying and praying, some people are even screaming, but there are so many people every one is drowned out and you don’t pay any attention to anyone else, and you just focus on yourself. Every time my eyes see the haram it burns my heart. When I was in karbala I would spend several hours a day at the haram, and when I am not there I try and make ziyarat to Aba Abdillah (as) every day at home or at work, or where ever I am. (2) did you attend formal islamic education (in a hawza)? if so, where, who were your teachers, how long did you attend and so on? if not, where do you hope to go? I have attended formal Islamic education. I have spent some ime studying in Karbala, as well as Najaf and I have done some corispondence studies with various scholars in qum. The howzas where I actually studied at were – howza imam sadiq (as) and madressa amir al mumineen – which is a very old school in Najaf, fairly close to the shrine. My teachers were good, they were good people, pious and knowledgable scholars. I don’t think anyone would recognize them if I mentioned their names. If Allah allows me the opportunity I would like to go back in to my studies, I would like to spend some time in Mashad if possible, and some time in qum as well, perhaps with periodic stayes in Iraq. If it were in my hands I would like to spend my life in the howza. (3) what do you say to those whose mission it is to stop people like us doing aza? There is nothing much I can say except to parrot the words of Allah (swt) يُرِيدُونَ أَن يُطْفِئُوا نُورَ اللَّهِ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَيَأْبَى اللَّهُ إِلَّا أَن يُتِمَّ نُورَهُ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكَافِرُونَ They wish to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will not agree except that He will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it. (4) what is the best way for the youth to prepare for the awaited imam (atf)? Follow the shariah properly. The answer is as simple as that. Everything else is secondary. Before going on to all the recommended things, they should get them selves to the level where they are fulfilling the wajib things and stopping the haram things in their lives. This means prayer, paying their khums, following all the rules of halal and haram, obeying their parents etc. Just all of this alone is a full time job for most people, and from my personal experience the majority of people barely ever got past this level. Some people will spend their whole lives and still not be able to due all their prayers on time etc. No one is massom, but a mumin person should be adil, they have to stop performing the sins, and do the wajibat. I think people are very foolish, they think that they will be with the Imam (as) even though they commit a dozen sins a day and do not care for their salat. Imam hussain (as) died for the establishment of Salat. People do not care for salat, and this would be the biggest advice I would give to the youth, take care of your prayer. Allah (swt) says in the quran: وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ ۖ إِنَّ الصَّلَاةَ تَنْهَىٰ عَنِ الْفَحْشَاءِ وَالْمُنكَرِ Establish the prayer, for surely prayer is what wards off evil and debauchery Prayer is the tent pole of religion according to the narrations, and the prophet (pbuh) said that some one who abandons prayer is not a muslim, and that the difference between kufir and iman is salat. Also imam sadiq in the very well known narration states that the people who do not take their prayer seriously will not receive the shifa’a of ahlululbayt. And as we know through the narrations this is the only key to heaven (shifa’a of ahlulbayt). Allah also says in the quran: فَوَيْلٌ لِّلْمُصَلِّينَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ عَن صَلَاتِهِمْ سَاهُونَ Woe (wail) on the prayer makers Those who are unmindful of their prayers. Imam Sadiq (as) says that this verse refers to people who do pray, but do not take their prayer seriously. When the time for prayer comes they delay their prayer, even though they have no excuse. Also you should note here that wail is also a destination of hell, and imam sadiq (as) says that Allah never uses wail against a people unless they are disbelievers. Meaning those who do not take prayer seriously are considered to be among the disbelievers (as is also noted in various narrations.) Most of us will not even take a few hours out of our lives to study the fiqh rules of prayers and even learn them properly. What does that say about our position? I have found that to be the case with 90% of youth, they do not even know how to perform the prayer properly, nor do they know the rules associated with the clothes of prayer, place of prayer etc. They can spend 4 hours a day watching t.v or playing video games but not spend that much time to even learn how to pray correctly and learn the mustahabat of the prayer, but then they think that they will be with the imam when he returns? In a well known narration the prophet (pbuh) said if a person does not pray correctly and they die with out correcting their prayer, they will not die on his religion. So to re-iterate, the youth should learn and follow the rules of the religion correctly – with a major emphasis on salat. That would be my best advice for them. Other than that they should marry early to keep themselves away from sins, and allow them to mature quickly and be able to better focus on the various aspects of religion. (5) have you met any mujtahids/ marjas? can you tell us of your meetings? Yes I have met some. Several mujtaheads, and a few maraja. My meetings have been fairly short. Largely just giving my greetings and exchanging a few kind words. I have yet the opportunity to sit down and discuss anything in depth with any of the. 6) who is hajj abbas, why must we know who he is when we go karbala? Well hajj abbas was an individual I told you about, and suggested you try and meet him when/if you go to the holy city of karbala. He is an elderly man who is well known to the locals. He lives near a hotel called Jannatul Hussain (very easy to find,its next to the haram of Abbas and its probably the most famous hotel in karbala). In order to find Hajj Abbas, you would just have to ask one of the locals in that area, and they will guide you to his home. He is a very pious and kind man. His parents bore him through a nadhir that they took at the shrine of Abal Fadhlul Abbas . Because of that they named him Abbas and they dedicated him to be a life long servant to the shrine. He spent his entire life serving the visitors of Abul Fadhlil Abbas and performing the various duties in the shrine. He is now too old for that and spends his time at home. He is an exceptionally pious man, and when you meet him you can sense that. People visit him from various parts of the world, because his duas for people seem to almost always come true. Allot of people from Iran visit him for that, especially women who cannot give birth. Nearly every day he has dozens of visitors at his home asking for him to make dua for them. He also recently finished a book where he compiled all the various amazing and miraculous things that he saw in his life time at the shrines of Abbas and Imam Hussain . He shared a beautiful story with us about a poor man who had walked barefoot to the shrine of Abbas (as) from a village some where in the south of Iraq. He was present in the haram when the man walked in, he came in crying and his feet where mangled and blistered from the long trip. He went to the gate of the grave and threw him self on it and started crying and speaking loudly. He said my master Abbas (as) I have come all this way just to see you. I don’t have any hajaat that I want to ask, all I wanted was to come to visit you and see your grave. But I am your guest and I know that you always take care of your guests, you are the son of Ali (as). This guest of yours has hurt his feet, could you please help with that? – And he told us that he saw with his own eyes the feet of the man suddenly heal up, and the people who were there threw themselves on the man and started crying and tearing at his clothes. (7) how did you get the mod/ admin job at sc? how do you find it? have you ever met Ali (the owner)? Other mod/Admins recommended me to be one (the bribes probably helped). To be honest, its just like being a regular member, not much different, except you have the responsibility of attending to issues on the forum where people break rules. I have never met Ali, may be one day inshaAllah. (8) what is your long term goal in life? When I was younger I used to always think I would like to do this or that in my life, but as I got older I realized that pretty much everything is in the hands of Allah, and you never know what situation you are going to end up in, all you can really control is how you act in it. At this point my main goal is to just die – with out having any religious debts to Allah, or monetary/religious debts to people. If I can do that, ie fulfill my wajib duites to Allah and the people I interact with in my life, then I would be more than satisfied. (9) how did you become an azadar of maula hussain as a child, who taught you, who inspired you? Who ever told you I was an azadar of Imam is lying. I could never count myself among those who properly mourn Imam Hussain This is a heavenly duty that according to the narrations is done by prophets, shaheeds, Angels and all the blessed and noble creatures of Allah. I could never be counted among this group. There is a narration where imam sadiq has stated that mourning for Imam Hussain is a right that the Imams demand from us. I can not even fulfil the rights of my own body, and that of my family etc, how in the world can I fulfill the rights of the imam (as)? (10) is it rude for a deaf person to use sign language with their mouth full of food? If the person located in a place where its culturally rude to speak while eating, then yes, I would say it probably is. (I wanted to apologize for not putting the correct form of respect after the names of holy personalities in this post, the forum limits the amount of time you can use emotions, and alayhisalam and peace be upon him etc are considered to be emotions, so i was forced to erase many of them to make the post actually post)

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Interesting facts: The founder of YouTube is a lebanese muslim named ''Jawed Karim''. The founder of twitter is also a muslim called ''Noah glass'' The founder of eBay is a persian muslim called '' Pierre Omidyar '' Jews don't control all the social medias after all..it's just that muslims are hiding their faith because they're too shy to speak and not get accepted in society if they say that they're muslim ..for once, i do not laugh at the jews because of their courage .

WHY is this discussed like everyday? It's getting so nauseating now.

ShiaChat is a nice place :)

^ of course a hobby is beneficial and everything productive we do gets us closer to Allah.. sitting there and wasting time and being bored is PATHETIC and leads to all sorts of haram.. one day u'll realize how mistaken u r. thought: parents need to grow stronger attachments with their kids and teach them the importance of hobbies..

(bismillah) The Quran'ic phrase for 'Praise your Lord' can be read front-to-back and back-to-front و ربك فكبر

You're Sunni so according to your belief Mutah is haram. If you truly accept Mutah as halal that means you put the opinion of Shia Imams (who taught it was halal) over that of your Sheikhan and scholars (who called Mutah haram). If your dont put the opinion of the Shia Imams over the opinions of your sheikhan and scholars and still want mutah then that means you are a hypocrite who is neither sincere to Shiism or Sunnism

Dude... you can go to a park in Tehran at 3 in the morning and see kids without their mothers. What are you talking about? Must you ALWAYS have to do this? Can you NEVER say anything positive about Iran? Get a life.

Ponder over this: What are you doing to help your imam (atfs)? Then post what you are doing here, and if you aren't doing anything then ask yourself "what can I do to help my Imam (atfs)" Remember, our Imam (atfs) is waiting for us, we are not waiting for him.

(salam) I know I've posted this before but it seems as thought not many people read it, so I will again try my best to get people to read this. It's not some small matter, it's everything. Your live life with it or with out it. You think the imam (as) would choose some one who can't even hold his tongue for his army? Think again. This is only for our benefit, can people just leave ego's out of the equation. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) and his Ahlulbayt (as), the pinnacle of creation, were sent down to complete the infallible religion of Islam. To do this they themselves must be infallible so that no flaws arise, simple logic.. So what does that have to do with Akhlaq? To first attempt to even improve our Akhlaq we must have something to compare it against so that we know what level we’re at and what needs to be done for this improvement to happen, in practical terms. (actually everything we do) What better comparison than our beloved ma’soom? Because they do not sin, they are perfect in every way. They are our set examples, like our fathers we must obey them but also make it so that we try to be like them in every aspect. We know that they are perfect and therefore the level of Akhlaq shown by them is second to none. So by accepting their perfection in all aspects is the first step to improving our selves. Allah (SWT) speaks about the importance of good conduct in the holy Qu’ran: ‘And say to My servants (that) they speak that which is best.’ (17:53) ‘Worship Allah, and do not associate partners with him. And be good to your parents, and the relatives, and to the orphans, and to the poor people, and the neighbor that is close to you and the neighbor that is not close to you, and your companion on the journey.’ (4:36) These verses remind us that we must show good conduct and morals especially to others e.g. Parents, neighbors, orphans, relatives, friends and even enemies. There are also numerous Hadith about Akhlaq, I will post a few that highlight that this is no small matter but rather Akhlaq is VITAL to our religion, as I will explain. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) has said: ‘I have been sent by Allah to teach people good manners.’ Imam Ali (as) said, ‘O Believer! This knowledge and good manners are the value of your soul so strive to learn them, for however much your knowledge and good manners increase, so will your value and worth accordingly.’ Sulayman-ibn-Mahran said that he visited Imam Sadiq (as) while some of the followers (Shi’a) were attending him (as) and he heard that the Imam (as), addressing them, said,‘(Behave) to be as ornaments for us and not to be against us as shame. Tell people of goodness, and protect your tongues and hold it from excessive talk and offensive speech.’ Just by using a few hadith to back up what is in the Qu’ran and we find Akhlaq is a ‘must’ and not to be taken lightly. As well as looking at the example set by our beloved (as). Lets go back and take a look at the time the Prophet (pbuh) had not yet announced prophethood. You’ll find that their Akhlaq was perfect, they became known as the honest & trustworthy and this was shown through their actions. If the Prophet (pbuh) had bad Akhlaq, nausubilah, then people would have doubted the Prophet (pbuh) at a later date. This example is perfect as it shows Akhlaq, in fact, is everything.. If a ‘religous’ man/female has no Akhlaq then people would be turned off, not just by you but Islam as well. So please for the sake of your lord and his chosen faithful servants keep good Akhlaq in everything you do and everyone you meet.. INCLUDING SHIACHAT (wasalam)

^Beautiful.

Why are Sunni so obsessed about Ayesha? Prophet (pbuh) had other wives too. But they don't even get half the attention that Ayesha gets. Sometimes I think the only reason Sunnis love Ayesha is because she fought Imam Ali (as). The rest of other wives didn't. OH btw, where can I buy the plastic gun?

The Tooth Fairy isn't real.

Why is it so difficult to revise...

Why are my mum and sister always watching MasterChef Australia? :wacko:

*me wonders how long to allow this topic before merging it with the 10000000000000000000000000 others*

I NEED THIS TOY IN MY LIFE

Where can I buy this toy?

Take advantage of your youth before you grow old

Very beautiful and inspirational. I loved it.

^^^ Mdm jii time dekhein Aur Khaana dekhein tauba tauba :P Thoughts: So that is what 5am Looks like :wacko: Walking somewhere at 6am in the dark.. what do I do..?! Me all the way to the place: Ya Ali (as) Ya Ali (as) Maula Mushkil Kusha Ali (as).. Mushkilon Ko Hal Karde.. Maula Mushkil Kusha Ali (as) :mellow:

yes yes, lets make a list. Allahumal'an: ibn ziyad - biggest A$$hole in the world, killed Muslim ibn Aqeel (as) in the worse way by beheading him, throwing his body of a building and dragging it throught the streets. Even ibn Ziyad (la) said "I will kill u in the most cruelest way" wa Umar ibn Saad - this creature and ibn Ziyad (la) were the main perpetrators in the killing of Imam Hussain (as) and his holy household. wa Shimr Ziljoushan - Beheaded Imam Hussain (as) if I got my hands on this sucker, I would destroy him painfully wa Taghoot - hehehe who do u think??? wa jibt - ibid wa laat - ibid wa Uzza - ibid wa Hurmala - La'een who fired many arrows especially the one that pierced Ali Asghar (as) neck wa ibn Muljim - struck Imam Ali (as), what a weak litlle man, he could have swung the sword as he wished but could litlerally only make a dent Imam's (as) head and couldnt do any more then that wa Khalid bin waleed - rapped a lady and harboured especial hatred to Imam Ali (as) wa Abu lahab - There is a surah just for him, enemy of the Prophet (pbuh) wa Marwan bin Hakam - The medina dude that tried to force Imam Hussain (as) to give bay'aa wa ibn Nofayl - This la'een supposedly continuously poked bibi Zainab (as) with a spear to let her not rest on the way to Kufa/Sham (???) so that he could get an award from ibn Ziyad/Umar Saad (???) wa Qunfudh - This creature is the lowest of the low, many different accounts but basically inflicted the critical injury that killed Bibi Fatima (as) son Mushin while in the womb and the injury that eventually caused her death wa Muawiyah - la'een who caused the biggest fitna in the muslim empire, I would say even worse then musailimah al kazaab (la) wa Jo'dah - Wife of Imam Hassan (as) who poisned him all so that she was promised money and marriage to Yazid (la). she got the money but no marriage. wa Abu Sufiyan - biggest loser in history, fitna causer number 1 wa Yazeed - May just beat Abu lahab to the lowest pit in hell, I guess we will find out on the day of judgement... wa Banu Umayyah - Shaytan's relative's BESHUMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR !!!!!!!!!!! Now do YOU (SC members) have the guts to 'Beshumar' it???

Thoughts: V For Vendetta on Bonfire Night is just as important as Home Alone 2 on Christmas.

Just got back home. EID MUBARAK for those who did today! And mubarak for tommrow's!

Which no one appears to be able to find.. It's a Persian book that claims to be a translation of a French thesis, but which doesn't give any actual sources for it's material as such. Almost certainly a forgery attributed to the Imam (as) but actually is largely a translation of a book originally in Greek (or perhaps Latin, I'm not sure) written in a non-Islamic, perhaps Christian, context (hence the citation of Aristotle, the anti-Manichaeanism, the reference to the Greek word cosmos, etc.), with the addition of a Shi`i context at the beginning to lend it authority. Also narrated on the authority of Mufaddal b. `Umar who is himself questionable, though I suspect the issue might be more that ghulat themselves forged things and attributed them on his authority as a link to the Imam. All that said, there is a lot of authentic material that has reached from the Imam, but it's sad that so often people spend their time on the most dubious material while not learning much of the more solid stuff.

loool. Imagine they all bought presents too!

Ammi Jaan = Mother Dearest. Thoughts: Remember that Ismail (as) was never sacrificed. The real sacrifice happened in Karbala.

(salam) (bismillah) Ahh, I have seen him on their English forums. Inshaa'Allaah, it is just that they have a lot of videos and they are pretty long (not to mention boring). If someone could give me where they use Shee`ah hadeeth and I can research the authenticity. A lot of issues with the gradings, seems like they wanted to go with the most lenient of gradings. (salam)

Details are sketchy at best. What we should worry about is: They don't see Alawi or Shia as different. The Sunnis are making it seem as if it is a Shia oppressing the Sunnis of Syria. This will instigate paid Israeli rebels to kill innocent Shia in Syria. Allah is the best of helpers, to Him do we rely.

Ahh, so Ahmad al-Hassan followers, follow the akhbaari madhhab when it comes to `ilm al-Rijaal. That is great, all that does it open the doors for me to use even more aHaadeeth. One question, what is the view of Ahmad al-Hassan on whoever doesn't believe his claim? Is it kufr? Now you are saying whatever al-Khoei says goes? One thing you do not understand is that tawtheeqaat al-`aama (mass tawtheeqaat), which is used by our scholars today. This is to make a mass group of narrators thiqah. al-Khoei originally believed that all the narrators of Kaamil al-Ziyaaraat were thiqah, which he later recanted his view. From what I've heard toward the end of al-Khoei's life he recanted his view of the narrators of Tafseer al-Qummi, but I do not have proof for this claim. Whoa?! Where did you get this from? I have yet to see a major scholar who uses `ilm al-rijaal use this method of authenticating hadeeth. Heck, even al-Khoei rejected the maraaseel of Ibn Abee `Umayr, which went against the majority of scholars. I can show you umpteen number of times where a scholars weakens a hadeeth simply because of ONE majhool narrator. Branched from Abu Haneefah? You have a better chance of saying that it branched from Shaafi`. I can actually prove to you that `ilm al-rijaal was first used by the Shee`ahs, and we authored books on Rijaal 100 years before the Sunnis did. So you want us to believe because a narrator is a narrating Ziyaarah al-`Aashoorah, that automatically makes him thiqah. The issue is your "Ahlul Bayt" and "Itra" claim. How do you know that the A'immah (as) said these words? You must have already authentic hadeeth that are SaHeeH to double check with it. Thank you for correcting it. I know of this book, but I would actually like to have the translated hadeeth that you and AnsarAllah are copying and pasting from, so I can analyze your translations as well. If you have a document, then please let me know and I'll give you my email to email it to me. (salam)

Just like Ramadhan renews our furu' ud din, Muharram renews our Usul Ud Din and all that is about it namely tawheed, the message that is nabuwat, the divine and perfect leadership that is Imamat, the adl that is the reason for which Allah will send his last Hujjah, and the qiyamat, when we all will witness the ultimate reality of Allah. Muharram and specifically Ashura is also my allegiance to my imam, a constant reminder that when last imam says "Hal min Nasir", I better be there, and inshAllah making sure that never will any tyrant repeat any Karbala on any of the Ahlulbait (as) ever. Beautiful topic.

Loved reading it, can't wait for the next parts. Also JazakAllah Khair for your help earlier, may Allah (swt) reward you and not take your soul until you have no debts whether they be religious or to people insha'Allah

Well they already accepted hadith which says that; Aisha nursed man so that they could come and see her.... :wacko:

Spot on. I noticed an advertisement aswell and the post was very long and was in the wrong thread and I just made this account like few hours ago. Imagine how much spam this forum gets. Though I must say I did see it disappear quick so looks like whoever removes spam and adverts are good at doing their job.

The Prophet Fainted According to Shia Sources The point that most Shia propagandists never wish to mention is the fact that the Prophet fainted immediately after making his request. Perhaps some of them would try to deny this, but we find that it is written in their own books. Shaykh Mufid, the classical Shia scholar of the tenth century, writes: He (the Prophet) fainted from the fatigue which had come upon him and the sorrow which possessed him. He remained unconscious for a short time while the Muslims wept and his wives and the women and the children of the Muslims and all of those present raised great cries of lamentation. The Apostle of Allah recovered consciousness and looked at them. Then he said: “Bring me ink and parchment so that I may write for you, after which you will never go astray.” Again he fainted and one of those present rose to look for ink and parchment. “Go back,” Umar ordered him. (Kitab Al-Irshad, by Shaykh Mufid, p.130) From this account it is very clear how dire the Prophet’s situation was. The Prophet kept fainting and he was into and out of consciousness. Immediately after the Prophet asked for the pen and paper, he fainted. This is a key point that the Shia propagandists do not mention! It was only after the Prophet fainted that Umar ibn al-Khattab said to the people (not to the Prophet) that bringing a pen and paper was no longer appropriate. The Shia propagandists portray the matter as if the Prophet said something and then Umar refused the Prophet on his face. Far from it! The Prophet asked for the pen and paper, but then he fainted; it was after the Prophet fainted that Umar felt that the Prophet’s request no longer applied in the changed circumstances. From Shaykh Mufid’s account of the event of the pen and paper, one thing is very clear: the Prophet fainted immediately after making his request. When the Prophet regained consciousness, he awoke to a room full of bickering and quarreling people. When Umar told the man not to bring the pen and paper, this was during the time the Prophet was unconscious. Therefore, Umar was not talking back to the Prophet or anything of the sort. The Prophet was unconscious during this time and the people did not at all refuse the Prophet’s order to his face. The Prophet awoke to the noise and chaos of their arguments amongst each other, and this is what angered the Prophet. When the Prophet asked for the pen and paper, he was conscious, but the situation and circumstance had–according to Umar ibn al-Khattab–changed when the Prophet fainted and became unconscious.

If by manly, you mean self-destructive idiotic behavior that makes you stink while wasting your money on turning your lungs black and your teeth yellow, sure, it's very manly in that case.

thanks for the advise, i geuss ive been spending to much time on shia chat.

masha'Allah to the parents that brought up such a man. a true karbala'i. he can teach a thing or two to grown ups about tawheed and akhlaq and 'ishq.

Basra has spammed in each of the additional accounts created since then. Every post he makes is the same content repeated in each thread over and over again. On top of that, he has posed with different identities (eg. Arab Alawite) and different personal names to try to spread his propaganda. He always denies it his him - Basra, the Polish-American, but it's quite obvious. Just today, he created 2 accounts. This guy is a pathological liar thinking he is fighting a Cold War by posting on ShiaChat. How can you trust a man like this?

lol Blissful :) ok sis... Thanks alot for the nice words :) well whatever happened, it can't be returned, i think all i should do is just MOVE ON & have patience :) ...

(salam) Cover up, the more you cover the better for you. Yahya Mazni says: “For 12 years I lived as a neighbour of Hazrat Abdullah, yet not once did I see the shadow of any lady, nor did I ever hear an echo of the voice or footsteps of Bibi Zainab.“ ... Yet when the circumstances called for it, Lady Zaynab (as) stood and roared as only the daughter of Asadullah (as) can..! (wasalam)

Khamenei Condoleeza Rice George Bush And many more...in other words, all politicians and all those who gain power through unlawful ways are corrupt. Edit: How can I forget Nick Griffin!

Appearances are deceiving ISil, some people would love to see Syed Khamenei toppled no matter what it takes to do so. There are some Shias in the West that look at Iran with disgust (without actually going to Iran) and that's why I stated in my opening post that this is specifically for Anti-Wilayatul Faqeeh people.

Ruqaya, it would help if you thought things through a bit more before trying to attack my supposed lack of consistency. Here are the differences between this situation and some of the others that I defended, but you consider immoral: 1) The Quran rebukes the person who did this, therefore my religious source is telling me it is immoral, regardless of whether the Prophet did it or not. Having established that it is immoral, it is therefore impossible for the Prophet (pbuh) to have done it, based on what the Quran says about his sublime morality. 2) The Quran nowhere says the Prophet did this, rather it says 'he frowned'. At the very least, if it was the Prophet, you would expect it to say 'you frowned'. 3) There are ahadith that say the person that frowned and turned away was not the Prophet, and was in fact Uthman ibn Affan. There are ahadith that say it was the Prophet (pbuh), but since they are Sunni they hold no weight for Shias. In addition, they contradict the Quran and other ahadith. So my rejection of this story has little to do with what most people would do, independent of what Islam teaches. What I am doing is rejecting it based on the sources. On the other hand, in the other discussions we had, I was accepting things based on the sources, while you were rejecting them with no reference at all the sources. Instead, it would have been better if you could have showned how the ahadith you considered fabricated contradicted the Quran or other ahadith. But unless I missed it, you never attempted to do so. Perhaps that is because you yourself realised there was no contradiction to be found. On a more superficial level, I could have just rejected the story based on Shia scholarly consensus, but this is also not a road that will help you in the issues you have with certain ahadith. I hope you can see the difference between the two approaches, and see that there is no inconsistency on my part at all. By the way, I don't deny that we have a God-given inner sense of morality. I just don't believe that it is something most people can access at more than the deep intuitive level, and that one's emotional reactions to certain behaviours are not always good indication of what is objectively morally right or wrong. We always need to reflect honestly on how much we have been influenced by our environment, and check our sense of right and wrong against divine revelation and the prophetic example. What I reject is checking the Quran and the ahadith against our own man-made sense of morality. To me, this is tantamount to shirk.

Don't forget the famous Sunni hadith where Jibreel took the form of a man and appeared to Muhammad (pbuh) and `Umar. http://en.wikipedia....dith_of_Gabriel So here's a non-prophet seeing and hearing Jibra'el (as), and somehow some Muslims belittle us for believing `Ali (as) had heard (but not seen) Jibra'el (as).

Just a quick point, but actually it is not unanimous amongst our scholars in history that it is allowed for Muslim men to marry women of the people of the Book. Some of the early, prominent scholars (such as Shaykh Mufid and Sharif Murtada) considered to be prohibited absolutely, whether in permanent or temporary marriage.