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(bismillah) (salam) Why deactivate your account? It's so awful. So final. Like committing suicide. Just take a break and leave quietly. Come back whenever you feel like it. After a while you may want to interact with us again. If you don't like your user name, an administrator can change it for you. :excl:

Ummm, I dont have a blog, but I was thinking of starting one, so yo!

Salam Alaikum There's no need to boot anybody out. Sunnis are obviously sceptical about the 12th Imam, and sometimes, as is the case here, come out with any nonsense. Sheikh Sudduq aptly put a brief answer to such questioners: وكل من سألنا من المخالفين عن القائم عليه السلام لم يخل من أن يكون قائلا بإمامة الأئمة الأحد عشر من آبائه عليهم السلام أو غير قائل بإمامتهم فإن كان قائلا بإمامتهم لزمه القول بإمامة الإمام الثاني عشر لنصوص آبائه الأئمة عليهم السلام عليه باسمه ونسبه وإجماع شيعتهم على القول بإمامته وأنه القائم الذي يظهر بعد غيبة طويلة فيملأ الأرض قسطا وعدلا كما ملئت جورا وظلما وإن لم يكن السائل من القائلين بالأئمة الأحد عشر عليهم السلام لم يكن له علينا جواب في القائم الثاني عشر من الائمة عليهم السلام وكان الكلام بيننا وبينه في إثبات إمامة آبائه الأئمة الأحد عشر عليهم السلام "Whoever asks us about Al-Qaaim [a], he is either a believer of the eleven Imams before him or he is not a believer of their Imamah. If he is a believer, then it is necessary for him to believe in the Imamah of the twelth due to the explicit statements of his forefather Imams [a] by giving his name and his geneology, and the consensus of their Shi'ah on the belief of his Imamah, and that is the Al-Qaaim who will reapper after a long occultation, and he will fill the world with equity and justice, as it was filled with oppression and evil. And if the questioner is not from the believers of the eleven preceding Imams [a], then the onus is not on us to prove the twelth Qaaim of the Imams [a], and the discussion will be between him and us about the eleven Imams [a] preceding him." To us, the existance of the Twelth Imam [a] has been proven through tawatur, through the narrations of the Imams [a] who we have accepted as our infallible leaders, just as Muslims as a whole believe in the raising of Isa [a] alive, through the teachings of the Quran and the Prophet , because we have all accepted that. So when a Christian asks us to prove that Isa [a] did not die on the cross, we cannot refer to the Quran and the Prophet directly. We first need to prove that the Quran is the Word of God, and that Mohammad is the Final Messenger of God. Similarly, if you ask us about the twelth Imam [a], we say that we believe in him due to our belief in the previous Imams. So if you believe in the Imamah of the previous Imams, you will come to the realisation that the twelth Imam [a] did exist. In regards to the narrations of the Prophet prophecising twelve Imams, its similar to the prohocies of the Holy Prophet that we find in ancient texts - one has to take it at face value and decide whether it is the fulfillment of the prophecy or a mere coincidence. In other words, we compare the prophecy to what all the sects believe in respect of the number of khulafa and umara, and we find consistence only with the Shia Imami Ithna Ashari sect. This alone is not proof that our sect is the right sect. This along with the many many narrations which tell us that the line of khilafah begins with Ali ibn Abi Talib [a] proves that our sect is the right sect.

I see, so according to you I am going to hell because I agree with certain comments that are logical and make complete sense. Not to mention the comments are on a forum full of creepy self appointed scholars. Nice try...I know this trick after being on this forum for a few weeks.......if you don't agree CALL IT UNISLAMIC.

(bismillah) (salam) Book 020, Number 4476:Book 020, Number 4476: It has been narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: The Caliphate will remain among the Quraish even if only two persons are left (on the earth), this tells you that hujja is a compulsion and present (wasalam)

There's no doubt that this was in imitation of the Mu`tazila's systemization of five usool ad-deen, the Mu`tazila who also used to refer to themselves as the Ahl at-Tawhid wa 'l-`Adl. Such a classification I have seen neither in any hadiths nor in works prior to the Buyid era scholars of Baghdad (who were in heavy interaction with Mu`tazila scholars). In the works of such Imami scholars you can find a concepts and definitions that are straight from the works of such Mu`tazila scholars as Qadi `Abd al-Jabbar. That's not to say though they were Mu`tazili themselves, in fact the Mu`tazila were probably their biggest rivals at the time. But, to deny that there was a heavy influence, or claim it was the other way around is just being ignorant of history and the development of scholastic theology. One is the lack of mention of this in the ahadith where you would expect such an important thing to be laid out if anywhere, but I have never seen this. For example, here is a risalat narrated on the authority of Imam Rida (as) that summarizes the religion, yet no mention of this scheme: http://www.tashayyu....wami-ash-sharia Then look at the works of our earlier scholars (earlier than the scholars I mentioned) and again I haven't see this. For instance, take Shaykh Saduq. Here's part of a summary of the religion he did: http://www.tashayyu....gion---al-amali Or here look at the beginning of his Kitab al-Hidaya that goes over the usool ad-deen: http://www.*******.org/hidaya Notice there is no separate mention of `adl as being an usool? Is it reasonable to think that Shaykh Saduq have been ignorant of there being such a fundamental scheme if it existed? To be clear, it's not in saying this we come to the absurd conclusion that Allah is unjust (a`udhu billah), the issue is only in this fivefold scheme and it's origin.

Mawlana, If a grand scholar like yourself who can even prove Sistani wrong, doesn't know if caviar is halal or haram, how is a layman like me supposed to know? :donno: :no: Does that mean i avoid it? Please, teach me the way of the akhbar force, the dark side has taken over me :(

Why did Ali not revolt if he was the true successor of the prophet ? The holy prophet said To Imam Ali(a.s.): "Your position to me is like the position of Aaron to Moses, except that there shall be no Prophet after me"Sunni References: (1) Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Traditions 5.56 and 5.700 (2) Sahih Muslim, Arabic, section of virtues of Ali, v4, pp 1870-71 (3) Sunan Ibn Majah, p12 (4) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p174 (5) al-Khas'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 15-16 (6) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, p309 The above statement of the holy Prophet is quite clear that Ali was in respect to him as Haaroon was unto Moses, in ALL respects AND RELATIONS, except one. [REMEMBER: EVERY WORD OF THE PROPHET IS THE WORD OF Allah] • And also this statement of the Holy prophet is not limited to a particular event. Mas'udi (a reliable reporter according to both sects) who writes in his Muruju'dh-Dhahab, Volume II, page 49, Halabi in Siratu'l-Halabiyya, Volume II, pages 26 and 120, Imam Abdu'r-Rahman Nisa'i in Khasa'isu'l-Alawiyya, page 19, Sibt Ibn Jauzi in his Tadhkira, pages 13-14, Sulayman Balkhi Hanafi in Yanabiu'l-Mawadda, chapter 9 and 17, and several others have narrated this hadith. They all say that, apart from the two occasions of establishing brotherhood, it has been narrated on many OTHER occasions as well. Therefore, this hadith is not to be construed in a restricted sense or for a particular occasion only. Its general significance is an established fact. lt was through this hadith that the Holy Prophet declared on appropriate occasions Ali's place after him among his people. One of those occasions was the Battle of Tabuk. 1. Surah Ta-Ha (Moses said: "O' Allah) assign me a vizier from my family, (that is) my brother Aaron (Haroon) ...," (Allah) said: "We granted your requests, O' Moses." (Quran 20:29-36). 2. Surah Al-Furqaan Allah, Exalted, also said: "Surely We gave the book to Moses and assigned his brother Aaron as his vizier." (Quran 25:35). 3. Surah Al-Araaf Allah also said: "... And Moses said unto his brother Aaron: Take my place among the people." (Quran 7:142). THE ABOVE 3 VERSES ARE CLEAR [ EQUATE AND COMPARE THE WORDS, MUHAMMAD TO MOSES AND ALI TO AARON ] THAT ALI WAS THE RIGHT SUCCESSOR OF THE HOLY PROPHET, AS CHOSEN BY Allah THE ALMIGHTY. Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.422 Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "You will follow the ways of those nations who were before you, span by span and cubit by cubit (i.e., inch by inch) so much so that even if they entered a hole of a mastigure (lizard), you would follow them." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! (Do you mean) the Jews and the Christians?" He said, "Whom else?" This tradition is also narrated by Muslim in his Sahih , v8, p57. It is also narrated in Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, pp 84, 94. Think for a while... Why would the Prophet (PBUH&HF) compare his companions to the Jews and the Christians, knowing full well that the Jews and the Christians have mutilated and perverted the religion of Allah (SWT)???????? Because Allah (SWT) had told him (PBUH&HF) that your companions will turn back, except the selected few. Imam Ali (as) was still a divinely-appointed Imam during the time of the first three rulers, and what these rulers could take from him was the rulership (which is one of the rights of Imam) and not the position of Imamat. Although Imam Ali(a.s.) was compelled to give allegiance to Abu Bakr, he never accepted nor gave allegiance to abu bakr. If Imam Ali(a.s.) would have given allegiance to abu bakr, then he would have participated in the wars that these 3 caliphs fought, as jihad is compulsory on every muslim, although he participated actively in the wars that he fought himself during his caliphate. Imam Ali(a.s.) did not revolt against the caliphate(of abu bakr), this does not mean that he supported the caliphate. We, however, never accuse the Imams of being cowards. What Imam Ali(a.s.) did was his duty which is similar to what Haroon did as his duty. Quran states that when Moses (pbuh) came back from MIQAAT he was very angry since Allah had informed him that his community went astray during his absence. Moses came and started questioning his brother Haroon, that why he did not take action to prevent this corruption. Quran states that Haroon (Aaron) replied: Surah Aa-raf "(O' Moses) people did oppress me and they were about to kill me." (Quran 7:150). Surah Taha (Moses) said: "O' Aaron! what kept you back when you saw them going wrong?"... (Aaron said:) "...Truly I feared you would say 'You caused a division among the Children of Israel and you did not respect my word!'" (Quran 20:92-94). • Well Well ,after reading the above verses, here we come to the fact, that Ali did not raise his sword after the prophet and that after Abu bakr had usurped his right of Caliphate only because Imam Ali(a.s.) wanted to save islam from getting divided. Below are some references: (1) Abu Ja'far Baladhuri Ahmad Bin Yahya Bin Jabir Baghdadi, one of your reliable traditionists and historians, writes in his History that when Abu Bakr called Ali to swear allegiance, Ali refused. Abu Bakr sent Umar who went with a torch to set fire to Ali's house. Fatima came to the door and said: "O son of Khattab! Have you come to set my house on fire?" He said: "Yes, this is more effective than anything your father did." (2) Izzu'd-Din Ibn Abi'l-Hadid Mu'tazali, and Muhammad Bin Jarir Tabari, narrate that Umar went to the door of Ali's house with Usayd Bin Khuza'i, Salama Bin Aslam and a group of men. Umar then called out, "Come out! Or else I'll set your house on fire!" (3) Ibn Khaziba reports in his Kitab-e-Gharrar from Zaid Bin Aslam, who said: "I was one of those who went with Umar with torches to Fatima's door. When Ali and his men refused to offer allegiance, Umar said to Fatima, "Let whoever is inside come out. Otherwise, I will set the house on fire along with whoever is inside." Ali, Hasan, Husain, Fatima, and a party of the Prophet's companions, and the Bani Hashim were inside. Fatima said: "Would you set my house on fire along with me and my sons?" He said: "Yes, by Allah, if they do not come out and pay allegiance to the caliph of the Prophet." (4) Ibn Abd Rabbih, one of your famous ulema, writes in his Iqdu'l-Farid, Part III, page 63, that Ali and Abbas were sitting in Fatima's house. Abu Bakr told Umar: "Go and bring these people. If they refuse to come, fight them." So Umar came to Fatima's house with torches. Fatima came to the door of the house and said: "Have you come to burn our house?" He said: "Yes..." and so on. (5) Ibn Abi'l-Hadid Mu'tazali in his Shahre Nahju'l-Balagha, Volume I, page 134, quoting from Jauhari's Kitab-e-Saqifa, writes in detail about the affair of the Saqifa-e-Bani Sa'ad. "The Bani Hashim and Ali were assembled in Ali's house. Zubair was also with them since he considered himself one of the Bani Hashim. Ali used to say, 'Zubair was always with us until his sons were grown up. They turned him against us.' Umar went to Fatima's house with a group of men. Usayd and Salma were also with him. Umar asked them to come out and swear allegiance. They refused. Zubair drew his sword and came out. Umar said: 'Get hold of this dog.' Salma Bin Aslam snatched the sword and threw it against the wall. Then they dragged Ali to Abu Bakr. Other Bani Hashim also followed him and were waiting to see what Ali would do. Ali was saying that he was the servant of Allah and the brother of the Holy Prophet. Nobody listened to him. They took him to Abu Bakr, who asked him to take the oath of allegiance to him. Ali said: "I am the most deserving person for this position, and I will not pay allegiance to you. It is incumbent on you to pay allegiance to me. You took this right from the Ansar based on your relationship with the Prophet. I also, on the same ground, protest against you. So be just. If you fear Allah, accept my right, as the Ansar did yours. Otherwise, you should acknowledge that you are intentionally oppressing me.' Umar said: 'We will not leave you until you swear allegiance.' Ali said: 'You have conspired well together. Today you support him, so that tomorrow he may return the caliphate to you. I swear by Allah that I will not comply with your request and will not take the oath of allegiance (to Abu Bakr). He should pay allegiance to me.' Then he turned his face toward the people and said: 'O Muhajirs! Fear Allah. Do not take away the right of authority of Muhammad's family. That right has been ordained by Allah. Do not remove the rightful person from his place. By Allah, we Ahle Bait have greater authority in this matter than you have. There is a man among you who has the knowledge of the Book of Allah (The Qur'an), the Sunna of the Prophet , and the laws of our Religion. I swear by Allah that we possess all these things. So do not follow yourselves lest you should stray from the truth.'" Ali returned home without offering allegiance and secluded himself in his house until Fatima died. Thereafter, he was forced to offer allegiance. (6) Abu Muhammad Abdullah Bin Muslim Bin Qutayba Bin Umar Al-Bahili Dinawari, who was one of your ulema and an official Qazi of the city of Dinawar, writes in his famous Ta'rikhu'l-Khulafate Raghibin wa Daulate Bani Umayya, known as Al-Imama wa's-Siyasa, Volume I, page 13: "When Abu Bakr learned that a group hostile to him had assembled in Ali's house, he sent Umar to them. When Umar shouted to Ali to come out and to swear allegiance to Abu Bakr, they all refused to come out. Umar collected wood and said 'I swear by Allah, Who has my life in His control, either you will come out, or I will set the house with all those in it on fire.' People said: 'O Abu Hafsa! Fatima is also present in the house.' He said: 'Let her be there. I will set fire to the house.' So all of them came out and offered allegiance, except Ali, who said: 'I have taken a vow that until I have compiled the Qur'an, I will neither go out of the house nor will I put on full dress.' Umar did not accept this, but the plaintive lamentation of Fatima and the snubbing by others, forced him to go back to Abu Bakr. Umar urged him to force Ali to swear allegiance. Abu Bakr sent Qanfaz several times to summon Ali, but he was always disappointed. At last Umar, with a group of people went to the door of Fatima's house. When Fatima heard their voices, she cried out 'O my father, Prophet of Allah! What tortures we are subjected to by the son of Khattab and the son of Abi Quhafa!' When the people heard Fatima's lamentation, some went back with their hearts broken, but Umar remained there with some others until finally they dragged Ali from the house. They took Ali to Abu Bakr, and told him to swear allegiance to him. Ali said: 'If I do not swear allegiance what will you do to me?' They said: 'We swear by Allah that we will break your neck.' Ali said: 'Will you kill the servant of Allah and the brother of His Prophet?' Umar said: 'You are not the brother of the Prophet of Allah.' While all this was going on, Abu Bakr kept silent. Umar then asked Abu Bakr whether he (Umar) was not following Abu Bakr's orders in this matter. Abu Bakr said that so long as Fatima was alive he would not force Ali to swear allegiance to him. Ali then managed to reach the grave of the Prophet, where, wailing and crying, he told the Prophet what Aaron had told his brother, Moses, as recorded in the Holy Qur'an: 'Son of my mother! Surely the people reckoned me weak and had well nigh slain me.' (7:150) • PROPHET HAAROON DID NOT REVOLT AGAINST SAAMERI, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE SUPPORTED SAAMERI. Another fact which we get from the above relations is that Imam Ali(a.s.) was on the right path and that whoever follows him is no doubt, rightly guided as seen by Allah. Below are given a few references(quran and hadeeth) of this statement: • There are many hadith making it imperative on the umma to follow Ali. One of them is narrated by Ammar-e-Yasir, which SUNNI ulema have recorded in their books: Hafiz Abi Nu'aim Ispahani in Hilya; Muhammad Bin Talha Shafi'i in Matalibu's-Su'ul; Baladhuri in Ta'rikh; Sheikh Sulayman Balkhi Hanafi in Yanabiu'l-Mawadda, Chapter 43, from Hamwaini; Mir Seyyed Ali Hamadani Shafi'i in Mawaddatu'l-Qurba, Mawadda V; Dailami in Firdaus. They narrate a lengthy, detailed hadith which cannot be related here in full. It may be stated briefly that when people asked Abu Ayyub why he had gone to Ali and had not sworn allegiance to Abu Bakr, he replied that one day he was sitting with the Prophet when Ammar-e-Yasir came in and asked the Prophet a question. In the course of his conversation, the Prophet said: "O Ammar! If all the people go one way and Ali alone goes the other way, you should follow Ali. O Ammar! Ali will not allow you to diverge from the path of guidance and will not lead you to destruction; O Ammar! obedience to Ali is obedience to me, and obedience to me is obedience to Allah." In light of these injunctions, and in light of Ali's opposition to Abu Bakr, shouldn't people have followed Ali? Even if the Bani Hashim, Bani Umayya, distinguished companions, the intelligentsia of the nation, the Muhajirs, and Ansars had not been with him (and they were with him), people should have followed Ali. Quran tells us that all the followers of Moses (except a few) were deceived by Sameri [NOTE: HERE SAMIRI WAS THE ONE WHO DECIEVED THE ONES FROM FOLLOWING HAAROON, AND WAS PROMISED A PAINFULL CHASTISEMENT,HENCE, THE ONES DEVIATING THE FOLLOWERS OF MUHAMMAD AWAY FROM IMAM ALI TOWARDS THEMSELVES TOO PERHAPS WIIL BE GIVEN THE SAME ] . The companions of Moses did not kill Sameri either. They were rather about to kill Aaron (as) who tried to advise them on that affliction. If the number of those who preserved their faith was a lot, Aaron wouldn't have been in trouble. Here are some verses of Quran concerning the event: Surah Aa-raf 7:148 And the community of Moses, after (he had left them), chose a calf (for worship), (made) out of their ornaments, of saffron hue, which gave a lowing sound. Saw they not that it spoke not unto them nor guided them to any way? They chose it, and became wrong doers. Surah Aa-raf 7:150 And when Moses returned unto his people, angry and grieved, he said: Evil is that (course) which ye took after I had left you. Would ye hasten on the judgment of your Lord? And he cast down the tablets, and he seized his brother by the head, dragging him towards him. (Aaron) said: "Son of my mother! Lo! People did oppress me and they were about to kill me. Make not the enemies rejoice over my misfortune nor count thou me amongst the sinful people." Surah Taha 20:90 Before this, Aaron had already said to them: "O my people! you are being tested in this, for verily your Lord is (Allah) Most Gracious; so follow me and obey my order." Surah Taha 20:91 They had said: "We will not abandon this cult but we will devote ourselves to it until Moses returns to us." So the last verse disproves the claim that the true followers killed the wrong doers before Moses (as) come back. Yes, after Prophet Moses came back, he punished the influential individuals among those who led people astray. But he did not kill them: Surah Taha 20:97 (Moses) said (to Sameri): "Go! Your (punishment) in this life will be that you will say 'Touch me not'; and moreover (for a future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: now look at thy god of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: we will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast in the sea!" IF YOU COMPARE MOSES WITH MUHAMAD, AND AARON WITH ALI IN ALL THE ABOVE TRADITIONS AND QURANIC VERSES, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW WHY ALI DID NOT START A REVOLT AFTER MUHAMMAD FOR HIS RIGHT TO SUCCESSORSHIP.YOU WILL ALSO FIND OUT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THOSE WHO MISLED THE UMMAT. IMAM ALI DID NOT RAISED HIS SWORD AFTER ABU BAKR WAS WRONGLY CHOSEN AS THE SUCCESSOR OF PROPHET BECAUSE THE ISLAM THEN WAS TOO YOUNG( 23 YRS) AND A WAR WITHIN THE MUSLIMS THEMSELVES WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN THE FAILURE OF THE MISSION OF ISLAM AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERISHED…BECAUSE THE MUSLIM EMPIRE AT THAT TIME WAS SURROUNDED BY THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE AND THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND THEY WERE VERY MUCH KEEN TO OCCUPY THIS EVER-GROWING RELIGION OF Allah.SO BY STAYING QUITE…MAVLA ALI SAVED ISLAM ONCE AGAIN. SO WHEN WE READ THAT IMAM ALI(a.s.) DID NOT OPPOSE THE CALIPHATE, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE ACCEPTED THE CALIPHATE. • Muhammad Bin Yusuf Ganji in Chapter 44 of his Kifayatu't-Talib narrates the same hadith with the addition of these words: "And he is the ruler over the faithful and he is my gate for the faithful to pass through; and he is my caliph (successor) after me." Ganji Shafi'i says that Muhaddith-e-Sham (a traditionist of Syria) has three hundred hadith in praise of Ali. It has also been recorded by Muhammad Bin Talha Shafi'i in Matalibu's-Su'ul, Khatib Khawarizmi in Manaqib, Sam'ani in Faza'ilu's-Sahaba, Ibn Sabbagh Maliki in Fusulu'l-Muhimma, Khatib Baghdadi in Ta'rikh-e-Baghdad, Volume XIV, page 21, Hafiz Mardawaih in Manaqib, Dailami in Firdaus, Ibn Qutayba in Imamate wa's-Siyasa, Volume I, page 111, Ganji Shafi'i in Kifayatu't-Talib, Imam Ahmad in Musnad and many other members of your ulema have narrated that the Holy Prophet said "Ali is with the truth and the truth is with Ali wherever he turns." In the same books, there is another hadith also reported by Sheikh Sulayman Qanduzi Hanafi, in Chapter 20 of Yanabiu'l-Mawadda, from Hamwaini that the Holy Prophet said: "Ali is with the truth and the truth is with Ali." • The Messenger of Allah (S) said: Lā taqa‘ fī ‘Alīyyin fa innahu minnī wa ana minhu wa huwa waliyyukum ba‘dī wa innahu minnī wa ana minhu wa huwa waliyyukum ba‘dī [b](Don't try to find faults with ‘Alī, he is indeed from me and I am from him, he is your leader after me. He is from me and I am from him, he is your leader after me). Ref : Ibn Hanbal’s Musnad, vol. 5, 356, Matba‘ah al-Maymaniyyah Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, "Some of my companions will come to me at my Lake Fount, and after I recognise them, they will then be taken away from me, whereupon I will say, 'My companions!' Then it will be said, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you." 1. Sahih Bukhari, Hadith: 8.584 2. Sahih Muslim, part 15, pp 53-54 THE ABOVE MEANS THAT THERE ARE SOME SAHABAS WHO HAVE MADE CHANGES TO THE RELIGION OF ISLAM AFTER THE PROPHET. CONSIDER, IF DURING THE TIME OF ABU BAKR, OR UMAR, OR USMAN, ANY SAHABA WOULD HAVE TRIED TO CHANGE THE RELIGION, WOULDN'T THESE SAHABAS GIVEN HIM PUNISHMENT? SURELY, THEY WOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM PUNISHMENT. BUT SINCE THE PROPHET HERE MENTIONS ABOUT MAKING CHANGES IN THE RELIGION, THIS MEANS THAT THE RULES WERE CHANGED WHICH HAD A GREATER FOLLOWING, AND THIS CANNOT BE DONE BY SOMEONE SMALL IN AUTHORITY, BECAUSE A SIN DOES NOT MEAN CHANGING THE RELIGION. HENCE THIS (CHANGING THE RELLIGION) WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY AFTER THE PROPHET, WHO INFACT WOULD HAVE BEEN A COMPANION OF THE PROPHET. MOREOVER, HERE THE PROPHET MENTIONS THAT HE WILL REOGNIZE THOSE COMPANIONS. MAY Allah GUIDE US ALL. The Heavenly Sect In the history of Islam, "Shi'ah" has been especially used for the followers of Imam 'Ali (a). This phrase is not something invented later! The first individual who used this term was the Messenger of Allah himself. When the following verse of the Qur'an was revealed: (As for) those who believe and do good, surely they are the best of creatures (Qur'an 98:7) The Prophet (s) said to Ali: " It is for you and your Shi'ah." He further said: "I swear by the one who controls my life that this man (Ali) and his Shi'ah shall secure deliverance on the Day of Resurrection." Sunni References  Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthur, (Cairo) vol. 6, p. 379  Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Tafsir Jami' al-Bayan, (Cairo) vol. 33, p. 146  Ibn Asakir, Ta'rikh Dimashq, vol. 42, p. 333, p. 371  Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, (Cairo) Ch. 11, section 1, pp 246-247 The Prophet (s) said: "O Ali! (On the day of Judgment) you and your Shi'ah will come toward Allah well-pleased and well-pleasing, and there will come to Him your enemies angry and stiff-necked (i.e., their head forced up). Sunni References  Ibn al-'Athir, al-Nihaya fi gharib al-hadith, (Beirut, 1399), vol. 4 p. 106  al-Tabarani, Mu'jam al-Kabir, vol 1 p 319  al-Haythami, Majma' al-Zawa'id, vol. 9, number 14168 The Prophet (s) said : "Glad tiding O Ali! Verily you and your Shi'ah will be in Paradise." Sunni References 1. Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Fadha'il al-Sahaba, (Beirut) vol. 2, p. 655 2. Abu Nu'aym al-Isbahani, Hilyatul Awliya, vol. 4, p. 329 3. al-Khatib al-Baghdadi , Tarikh Baghdad, (Beirut) vol. 12, p. 289 4. al-Tabarani, Mu'jam al-Kabir, vol. 1, p. 319 5. al-Haythami, Majma' al-Zawa'id, vol. 10, pp. 21-22 6. Ibn 'Asakir, Ta'rikh Dimashq, vol. 42, pp. 331-332 7. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, (Cairo) Ch. 11, section 1, p. 247 And regarding the fact that Imamate followed nabuvat, and that imams are chosen by Allah and not by the ummat, and that an imam is present as of today chosen by Allah, a big talk and SEVERAL references from the QURAN and NON-SHIA hadeeth can be given. SO BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF ISLAM, HERE WE FINALLY COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT: • AFTER(after he went to kohitoor) PROPHET MOSES, HIS PEOPLE COULD NOT GET PROPER GUIDANCE SINCE THEY WERE WITH SAMERI AND NOT THE ONE WHOM Allah HAD CHOSEN---HAAROON. • AFTER THE HOLY PROPHET THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WENT ASTRAY(as we know that there are 73 sects in islam), • BUT A FEW(one sect) REMAINED WITH THE INHERITOR OF THE QURAN( i.e. the successor of the holy prophet [ALI]), • ALI IS THE SUCCESSOR OF THE HOLY PROPHET, • AND THAT Allah HAS MADE IT CLEAR IN THE QURAN THAT THOSE WITH AARON(HAAROON) WERE THE RIGHTLY GUIDED ONES AND HENCE THE ONES WITH ALI ARE THE RIGHTLY GUIDED ONES(i.e. the ones with ali, hasan, hussain and the 9 descendents of hussain till Imam Mehdi) NO SOUL CAN DENY THE RIGHT OF THIS RIGHTLY GUIDED SECT ( SHIA ATHNA-ASHARI) TO BE THE JANNATIS(OF HEAVEN) MAY Allah GUIDE YOU ALLAHHAFIZ

Not that it is any of your business but my husband works on Saturdays and I have finished all of my responsibilities in the home early this morning....most of what I am not required to do, but I still do them. As for this place being full of creepy self appointed scholars.....how can you not find some of these posts entertaining LOL. Awaiting the 12th.....liking someones comment on a forum is completely different than following everything and agreeing with everything that they say. Just because someone isn't muslim or shia doesn't mean that you have to automatically disagree...and being muslim or shia doesn't mean that you are always right about everything.

Comparing pregnancy with disease is ridiculous. As for 80% of women getting an STD, this could greatly reduced if people would take precaution and educate themselves. Precaution and education seems to be laughed at one this forum....it is sad really. No one is trying to disable marriage alimohammed40, we are bringing up real life issues that can't be ignored.

I think what you don't understand is Shias don't have to prove anything using Sunni sources. The existence of the 12th Imam does not depend on your sources verifying it, and neither does any aspect of our religion. You keep mistakenly claiming that we are using 'vague hadiths' to prove our point, but in fact we do not need Sunni hadiths to prove anything. We have our own hadiths that are far more explicit than the Sunni ones. The only time Shias should be using Sunni hadiths is in an effort to wake you people up, since your sources still have enough hadiths in them to make an honest person ask himself serious questions about whether or not Sunnis are on the right path. The hadith of the 12 Caliphs is just one of those hadiths that should make you think a little.

hahahahaha.....True....while converting to Islam may clear your prior sins and mistakes (if the conversion is sincere and not just for marriage purposes).............converting certainly doesn't restore your health.

ImAli, maybe he has discovered a new cure to STDs. If you convert to Islam, you are cured of all STDs. My goodness, if other people discover this, we'll have throngs of people converting.

Most important thing is clarify if he has done marriage or fornication, This is the most dangerous part . if he chose fornication while god has given him the marriage option then you have to stand against him and condemn him. brother haydar: I realize that sistani says the man can not marry a kitabi permanently and can not do mutah with a ketabi as a second wife if he had a Muslim wife based on obligatory precaution but its strange because the verse advocates marrying the kitabies so how can we explain the point of the verse in sourat al an3am which say " and the muhsanaat from the women who were given the book" any way this is another discussion all together also when you face a marja3 which has Ihtyat you don't have to follow his confused opinion because ihtyat means " i am confused" so you can refer to other scholars who are not confused about the issue under what they call Tab3eeth any way this is another discussion not here but for this lady the most important thing in my opinion is to interrogate him if he uses marriage or uses fornication because that it very important to her. If he uses fornication then she has to start disassociating herself from him unless he repents and changes his lifestyle if he uses marriage then why on earth keep such secrecy and get busted and all. Regarding STD you can ask the other girl nicely and not offend her and maybe she wants to know the same thing about you so you can probably show her yours and ask for her tests , most people do not make a big deal of these things... most these girls who are trying to make a big deal about it themselves end up marrying a man who probably gone with a thousand women before them but they never make an issue but the moment you say polygyny they all start shouting STD AIDS HERPS in arabic they say " Qamees Uthman" (the shirt of uthman)

[shakir 2:49] And when We delivered you from Firon's people, who subjected you to severe torment, killing your sons and sparing your women, and in this there was a great trial from your Lord. Why would Firon was killing sons of Bani Israel? Was it because of the prophecy that there might appear among them the boy who would be the cause of his destruction and downfall of his kingdom?

^Khomeni was a very spiritual man and he was taking about laypeople in that quote Read his poetry here http://www.starbacks.ca/ahlulbayt14/khom-poem.html

What do you mean by reason?

OK, so it belongs to Sunnis. Fine. Now give us a list of the the 12 Khalifas the hadith talks about

Do you know the literal definition of Mu'tazilah. Just I asked you the literal definition of qiyas and you couldn't give me, even though you cliam to know Arabic. You went here and there and couldn't give me the literal meaning of qiyas for very long time. Here is a hint for you. Both the Mu'tazilah and Ashrites are creation of the first sermon of Imam Ali (as), in his Najul Balagha. Don't tell me that Imam Ali (as) didn't write the Najul Balagha. At that time, there were no such thing as Sunnis. Every one was Shia of someone. After the Mu'tazilah died away, then the Ashrites become Sunnis. Not everything is hadiths. Hadiths is a minor part of complete Islam.

That's your rebuttal? :lol: For criticizing Ahmadinejad's speeches equates to 'see you in hell'? ^_^ And who says I don't complain about other atrocities? Such a predictable and ignorant response. But then again, most Ahmadinejad supporter's reply like their hero. ^_^

Crank it up, sit back, marvel in breathless awe, then whilst weeping, whisper to yourself, "what have i been thinking, they are right, there is no team like liiiiiver..pooool .... liiiiiver...poooool" :cry:

(wasalam) This is correct.

I guess you need to be banned or something. Do you have some special animosity against the 12th Islamic imam (ATF)? You really do not need to waste your time here. I hope an admin read this and ban you from this site. I have seen your posts after posts talking down on the 12 th imam of Muslims. Go have fun with your false prophet Umer father of Aisha or was it Hafsa the 2 characters banished by Allah (swt) in Al-Quran.

Not all humans saw a Prophet, but that doesnt mean that a world with Prophets is not better than one without. That would be like saying that because some people suffer from severe brain damage, then this means that we can justify a world in which all people suffer from severe brain damage. I think that it is a beautiful thing that God has spoken to us in human language, that he has given us perfect beings to see what virtue looks like when fully embodied. It makes me feel that God is closer to us, whereas on deism he seems far away. I think what is virtuous is believing something with your heart (having true imaan) rather than just with your mind. If we accept something from revelation, then its because we believe it to be true. But even then, it doesnt always translate to belief in the heart - that requires effort much of the time. A lot of the time belief in the heart is preceded by belief in the mind, and so when revelation tells us these things then it given us mental knowledge with the opportunity to turn it into spiritual knowledge in our hearts.

Job well done! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/16/libya-national-transitional-council-un_n_966339.html Mr Jalil, the greatest Arab traitor so far this century.

In that case, i dont know what youre refering to o.O You really are devoid of shame and conscience when twisting this stuff arent you? simply amazing. We should have a sub forum for people such as yourself that like to spread extremist, bizaare opinion, you could have your own little creepy club with badges and stuff and secrets passwords. You might want to check your definition of 'slave' their buddy. 'A person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.' Voluntary submission isnt enslavement.

Can I add more? I'll take that as a yes. Ace-E-Scholar E-Scholar-King Dajjal_Souljah Qadeem-like-Iblis Intelligent-But-Dishonest-Atheist Pitiful-Housewife Satanist-Housewife I-am-Imam-Mahdi's-Right-Hand-Man-But-You-wont-believe-me I-kill-Wahabies-in-my-dreams I-wana-go-to-heaven-but-dont-wana-die-until-i-get-a-ferrari Mysterious-Blocked-Toilet Alice-in-Realpolitik-land Murderous-Little-Red-Riding-Hood The-Oppressed-Fat-Black-Wolf Darwin-Owns-Einstein Born-to-Embarrass Pleasantly-Quiet Live-long-and-suffer

I'm not sure Mawlana, you're my Marja', YOU tell ME. Did he get it wrong? I don't know all the ahadith masha'Allah like you do, or how to deduce fatwas like you do. So you're asking the wrong person. Can i have my fatwa now please? You're not doing a job at being a Marja'. Forget the other Maraaji', i need to know if i can eat caviar or not, what the other Maraaji' say is none of your business when telling me if I can eat caviar or not. Can you hurry up please, going to go to a classy restaurant tonight.

Masha'Allah, we officially have our next resident SC Mujtahid, correcting the wrongs of other Mujtahids. Are we permitted to do taqlid to you dear siraat Mawlana? You seem to know all the akhbar and versed in the rijaal to the level where you're even correcting Sayyid Sistani !!! Mashaa'Allah !!!!!!!!!!!!

I was thinking about this the other day. I remember getting in trouble for passing and reading notes in school. I think the kids these days get in trouble for texting in school.

Hezbollah are terrorists in the same way the anti-Nazi Resistance in Europe were terrorists.

You seem to regard rhyming couplets as the sole constituent of eloquence. Go read a manual on poetry then come back and place yourself in the position of an arab linguist.

well the only thing Muhammad said about musical instruments comes from a sunni hadith which is: "“Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful…" Of course depending how you take hadiths in, this is what most people base the musical instrument one on. Um... you did read the article right!? "Although music is halal, promoting and teaching it is not compatible with the highest values of the sacred regime of the Islamic Republic," he said." Khamenei just said Music is Halal. HALAL! he just prefers people to work on other values like science which is fine as I personally believe science is definitely more important too.

:D It was a report..... ! how u been? long time no see....

You prostrate on dust, preferably the dust of Karbala. You pray 51 rik'as of prayers a day. You wear a ring on your right hand (i.e dhur al najaf, feiruz, ruby or emerald etc). You say Bism'illah Al Rahman Al Raheem before any act. You perform Ziarat Al Arba'een of Aba Abdillah عليه السلام. You know why we say Aliyon (as) Wali Allah s.w.t. You know why Imam Hassan Ibn Ali Al Mujtaba (as) signed a peace treaty with Mu'awiyah (l.a) and gave him the caliphate under conditions. You know that yazeed (l.a) was in the wrong at Karbala. You know why Hussein Ibn Ali - Sayed Al Shuhada2 (as) said to yazeed's army: "We Reject Humiliation!". You know of the rights within Risalat Al Huquq by: Ali Ibn Hussein Al Sajjad (as). You know why Mohammed Ibn Ali (as) said to the disbelievers: "Show me when God wasn't about and i'll show you when he came". You know why it is important for us to become students of the school of Ja'far Ibn Mohammed Al Saddiq (as) You know why we say: "There are no years like yours Oh Musa Ibn Ja'far Al Kadhim (as)". You know why we call Ali Ibn Musa Al Ridha (as): "Ghareeb Al Ghuraba2", and you remember that he said: "I am one of the conditions of La Illaha Il Allah". You know why a sunni said to Mohammed Ibn Ali Al Jawad (as): "I have now joined the school of the Ahlul Bayt (a)". You know why Ali Ibn Mohammed Al Hadi (as) was not attacked when he sat in a cage with several lions. You remember that Al Hassan Ibn Ali Al Askari (as) while he was in prison ate and drank two loaves of bread and cold water every day for two years straight. You Recognise that Al Hujjat Ibn Al Hassan (a.t.f.s) is waiting for us and we are not waiting for him.

(bismillah) There were actually hundreds of "madhhabs" back in the day. But the `Abbasids were having an annoying and tough time dealing with the fact that whenever a person came to court they would say "I follow fulan's fatawa so blah blah." There's no way to really punish and apply any sort of rules given the super ikhtilaaf those guys had (and still have). So the government say that when you come to court, you will be judged according to one of these 4 (which I assume were most popular around that era). So you choose one and get tried under that school's fatawa and stuff. Government influence. That's all it is. That's all whatever they have is. في أمان الله

I don't know why so many Lebanese are patriotic (I am Lebanese and a Southerner). Lebanon is a country which is obsessed with sectarianism. Lebanese are extremely racist towards anyone with darker skin and they bow down to anyone who is white (pathetic). Every week in Lebanon, Ethiopian and Sri Lankan maids commit suicide and the police do not investigate. Many Lebanese are lazy for even having maids in the first place. Lebanon is full of Spies for Israel willing to sell their country for money. The politicians are extremely corrupt and you cant say a thing because the persons religious sect will defend him. Electricity cuts off every 5 mins. The people show off to the point where a person in second year uni will not talk to a person in first year because they are less educated ( I admit I have only heard this from people). Lebanon has achieved nothing! The only thing they are good at doing, is trying to enter the Guiness book of world records by making the largest piece of food (rubbish). My dad is one of those falsely patriotic Lebanese yet every min he is cursing the country. To the O.P please think before you type. Salaam

Salaam Flowers your very unlucky because you are a nationalist and the prophet said about nationalism: "leave it it stinks" i never seen anyone saying " am so lucky i stink so much" lol just leave it as people have advised you yes nationalism is haraam nationalism caused all the hatred and wars in the world and it caused all the supremacy complexes including the WWRs and the reason for nationalism is selfishness and pride the exact same reason that took iblees to hell iraqies think thay are the best , lebanese think the same, turks think the same, iranians think the same, germans think the same and so on whoever puts his identity as his nationality then is far away from islam the nationality is not relevant in islam you will find open minded people amongst the lebanese and also closed minded people and you will see the same everywhere even if there are some generalizations which have truth in them we should not say them because they do not benefit anything other than racism lets say Lebanese are better at A and B and C and pakis are better at D and E and F and so on

This thread just got torn apart. :lol:

Well as far as im concerned your being misinformed :P Im iranian and im glad I am :D P.S .. people shouldnt get tooo proud .. remember we are all sons of Adam (as) hence the first reply to you was me saying "I am proud to be a descendant of Prophet Adam (as)" Anyone Who Thinks Im Wrong .. Read this : http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234993340-why-are-we-so-proud-of-our-ethnicityculture/page__fromsearch__1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBCHMD8KkjE

NoorofMasoomeen, duplicate account of banned 110110110 (666)

110110110 (666) Trolling.

End of an era indeed. A tribute to him

Heh, and this with all the million and one sanctions too

Morphed/JIDF - anti-muslim, islamophobe troll

ho ho ho, le monsieur Jalil, didn't i tell you, you will be le président de la Libye?!?!? oui oui non non

crazysb235 Trolling.

YOUSUF AHMED - Previously banned member http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showuser=47174 Brave_Muslim_Soldier for preaching extremism.

These people seriously got to get a life. If this is all they're capable off, they really have personal issues. Anyways, deleted the member along with their threads/posts.