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Sifting through this thread I gather that most people here are Team Tiger Woods You wish all women allowed their husbands to sleep around every time they felt themselves a little bit of a hard on? I'm sorry, but 3ashiqat-Al-Batoul's post is clearly out of inexperience. Having an open relationship is certainly not as simple as she puts it. There are a lot of complications in a marriage when a man is allowed to sleep with other women. Many of us here come from a culture of arranged marriages where a man and woman become close to each other after marriage; that is, after experiencing sexual pleasure from each other. Of course, that is not the only factor that is involved in making a man and woman become close - but certainly, becoming comfortable with each other's body's (as your "husband" would also be able to do in Mutaa) is, in large part, a great portion of a successful marriage. In many relationships, people feel some element of ownership over their spouses...and I don't mean that in a condescending way - its actually one of the most beautiful things about love. Many people who are in open relationships (that is the term used when you are married to someone but are allowed to have sex with other people) have to come to terms with the idea that they are not sexually "satisfying", and/or the possibility their spouses may have sex with another person more enjoyable than you, and as such, that element of ownership or posessorship is no longer present. Moreover, what prevents a man from having feelings for his mistress? I'm pretty sure we're all familiar with some of the Tiger Woods stories. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "preconceptions" polygamy is bad, or anything to do with "coming to terms with the laws", its about being able to be in a relationship in which you can fulfill each other. And lastly, girls have sexual desires too (sometimes more than men), and if we can control it, we can expect our spouses to do the same.

Dear Allah doesnt allow you that your wife waiting for you in home and you go out and search woman for night just for your bu[Edited Out] desire and pleasure. This is just miss-use of Muta.

yh thats true thats what i believed for all those people saying stuff like islam encourages it? so what is this religion of ours, a sex show? no it doesnt, its only if we cant control our desires and are going to do the sin anyway, then we may use muta, not if we want sex with a woman we like

Oh sister! you are realy very very open minded wife. Unbelievable and unacceptable.

he didnt say its unacceptable, he said you cant use to satisfy your desires, which is what is meant to happen anyway, MUTA IS NOT FOR FUN, It IS IF YOUR DESIRES ARE GOING TO LEAD YOU TO SIN, so men, hold back your packages :P

Oh my GOD, this is realy miss-use of muta, islam never allow to use it for your desires, even if a man is un-married he cannot do it with young girl, with young girl muta is not harram but it is MAKROO. Muta is only musthab with women whose husband is not alive, (about husband working in foregin i dont know, that in such case is halal or haram). This is a clear sin (Gunnah-e-Kabir) to have a wife and kids and you going to involve with others by miss-use of islamic rules. This is unacceptable. Realy now-a-days many people are miss-using and taking wrong advantage of Muta. Thats why many non-shia are blaming and passing comments on Muta, and call it prostitutness. Dear sister your husband will suffer, Allah will give him punishment. This is totally harram and punishable. I have a question from all members who are in favour of Muta in all the cases (leagel & il-leagal), so If every one will use Muta like our respectable sister's husband then what wives will do, are we not going to ruind their feelings. Yes in one case he can do if he is living very far and no chance for him to meet his wife in month/year, but otherwise it is totally harram for him. And please dont give example of Iranian, Iranian girls/boys can even agree with wahabi.

^Agreed.

Salam, Without realizing it, you've answered your question right here. Since you've mentioned that you're for cursing Yazed al-la`een, then I don't need to justify the act of cursing itself obviously. Your issue would appear to be with cursing his predecessors, which you consider to be a gray area. That "grayness" though for you is exactly the problem. Faith is not about maybes and perhapses, it's about firmness of the heart and solidity of action. It's easy to curse someone like Yazid. But to curse those before him you have to exit out of that in-between land of neither really being here nor there, trying to hedge your bets with a weak commitment and faith hoping that it'll squeeze by on either side, and enter into real Shi`ism which is all about total loyalty to the Imam and total enmity to his enemies. This is why I say cursing them is a firm and unambiguous declaration of one's commitment to them and part and parcel of being their Shi`a. It's a declaration of your membership in the saved sect and your total separation from the astray ones. It is a judgment that Shi`ism is in fact right and anything else is wrong, leaving behind all those shades of gray and entering into actual conviction and belief. You mentioned about us not being in a position to judge and jeopardize. But jeopardize what? That Shi`ism is actually wrong and Sunnis are right? Is that how a real Shi`a would go about their beliefs? Or would they proceed with confidence and conviction that what they are on is in fact the true path, and anything else opposed to that is wrong. You must also understand that in reading the teachings of the Imams (as), there is in fact a real danger of perdition for one who does not commit oneself to bara'at from all of their enemies. So many ahadith speak of this. And you don't want to end up like those who in the wars against Amir al-Mu'mineen (as) decided to sit it out, not siding with either side. Where did that leave them? Neither supporting truth nor opposing the wrong. Understand also I'm not just addressing the above to you, but to my weak self as well. May Allah guide and strengthen us on the right path.

In His Name, the Most High Salaams Masha Allah; an excellent post brother. This is what myself and a number of others have been trying to say for years and years. Alhamdu lillah; you have put it beautifully. Br/Sis "Aafreen"; with the utmost of respect; have you not heard the example of Abdullah ibn Abbas, the companion of Imam Hasan(A), who near the end, when the Imam(A) needed obediance from him, betrayed the Imam(A) through having a lack of solidification in his belief? Betrayed the Imam(A) and aligned himself with Muawiyyah. Haven't you heard of Shimr ibn Dhiljawshan? He was a companion of Imam Ali(A) at one point; and then he became that same cursed person who murdered the grandson of the Prophet(S)? Haven't you heard of the many companions of the Aimmah al-Athaar(A) who near the end of their lives betrayed that same person who they had at one point declared their Imam? Subhan Allah the situation of Mr Montazeri is nothing new in Islamic History; however; having said that it doesn't make it any less tragic. We must realise that at the end of our lives; if we are not on the allegeience with our Imam(AJ), may our souls be HIs ransom, then our entire lives are worthless; our good deeds are irrelavent, and we will be amongst the losers. Look at the most profound example of this; Shaytaan; he spent millenia, countless countless years worshiping and glorifying Allah, yet at one point he succumed to the illnesses of the nafs; and betrayed Allah, disobeyed his commandment, and in a way made himself an equal to Allah by defying (or attempting to defy) him. He was then cursed by Allah, and declared as being amongst those who cover up and betray the truth. Subhan Allah; why don't we think? Just because someone is wearing an Amameh, just because someone has much knowledge, that doesn't excempt that person from being accountable and having to stay loyal to the Truth; we have many many examples; and they are well known as I have explained. So please; let us realise the situation of Mr Montazeri; it is no different to that of Abdullah ibn Abbas in the time of Imam Hasan(A) and others in fact; others who betrayed the Truth, and confused the Truth with Falsehood; and rejected the advise of Allah to them. At this time; our allegience and loyalty should be for the Leader(HA), Imam Khamenei(HA) in the absence of Imam al-Hujjah(AJ), as our respected brother "motee" has so eloquantly explained. If it is not; then we should prepare ourselves for a fate not dissimilar to that awaits Mr Montazeri; and Allah is the best of the Judges. As for those who choose to create this schism between "religion" and "politics" - please realise one very important thing; there is no separation; they are intertwined. An ideology that separates "religion" and "politics" is a very confused ideology and is one that is opposed to Allah; our every action, be it social, personal, private or public are governed by the commandments of Allah; it is not that only our praying and fasting is governed by Allah, but that our policies on international relations they refer to thier own confused thoughts? Subhan Allah - have you learned nothing from the Prophet of Allah(S)? Have you learned nothing from Imam Ali(A)? Have you learned nothing from Lady Zahra(A)? We are in Muharram, have you not learned anything form the stand of Aba Abdillah al-Husayn(A) and the stances of Imam Ali ibn al-Husayn Zayn al-Abedeen(A) and Lady Zaynab(A)? The spiritual and the temporal are connected; the true believers understand this and follow this line; those who wish to create a dichotomy between what they call "religion" and "politics" are nothing more than either confused people or are working for the enemies of Allah. Islam is a perfect system; to suggest that it is only a "religion" is to insult Islam in the most fundamental fashion, and to understand the basics of Islam; the fundamentals, the Usul ad-Din. If Islam was split away from politics then tell us; why is the concept of Adl (Justice) so central? Justice has a portion that is personal, but it also has a portion that is in the realm of the socio-political, the economic realm, etc. So please; don't give these feable and pathetic statements making claims and suggesting (ignorantly) that religion and politics are separate. They are not; they are intertwined and CANNOT be separated. May Allah hasten the return of our Master(AJ), and alleviate our suffering. With Salaams and Dua's Shabbir

Lol, you say that as if thats something offensive :lol: But maybe if you had read my entire post, you may have benefited from what I wrote, because I was not trying to pick on you, I was trying to point out what I think is an inherent flaw in open relationships. I am not doubting your credibility here, but from your post you can certainly tell that you've not been in this relationship for too long, as evidently, you're obviously still a teenager.

(salam) I am someone who have great respect of Imam Khomeini, Sayyed Khamenei, Ayatullah Montazeri, Ayatullah Sanei and other respected Shia Scholars. Am I correct to assume that the disagreement was political in nature. If it is politics, then I don't understand why you keep insisting we have to have everyone agree with each other. :unsure: Since Mr Montazerri is an Ayatullah (and a marja), he already earned the right to disagree with everyone- religiously or political.

The truth of this ziyarat is not found in studying its isnads (though I note the latter is a plural, hence reducing the possibility of its forgery by that fact) but in the truth of its content. It is a dedication of oneself to the Imam (as) and his cause, a separation from his enemies, a declaration of faith and loyalty, a committing and firmness to the cause. The reality of this has been experienced by many, many of those who have recited it over the centuries. And yes, for anyone who's read my past posts on this topic, this does represent for me a firm reversal of what I'd been saying or alluding to in the past as I've been one who has raised questions about its isnad and such (Allah forgive me for raising doubts). I now realize that's missing the point, and to separate oneself from this for that is to lose a great deal, so I would recommend to anyone who aspires to being a Shi`a of the Ahl al-Bayt, recite this ziyarat and experience this yourself, in sha Allah ta`ala.

i think ammar nakshawani was saying that only the masoom Imam can carry out the punishment of apostasy. this was my opinion as well before i heard him say this because it made sense it to me. Allahu Alim.

thats fine. He said to kill Salman Rushdie and an unaffiliated "organization" (which was of course not encouraged and egged on by this fatwa) offered a price tag for his body. He can't shy away from his duty and I won't shy away from calling it irrational because it did not work and was incredibly counter productive. I can't say that I agree with this fatwa and expect people to take me seriously when I tell them that my religion is not a threat to them and is conducive to dialogue and discourse. He will do his job as a jurist in Iran who doesn't seem to comprehend or care about the realities of the world, and I will do my job as someone who can think critically and wants to avoid being fodder for Islamaphobes.

Irrational, illegal, and downright stupid.

Be a man man? Are you freggin kidding me? That is your advice? Your views are clearly fueled by little more than homophobia and that (coupled with your complete lack of knowledge on this matter) makes it hard to take you seriously. You don't know what the truth is.. all you know is that reading about his experiences and the possibility that this man might be gay makes you extremely uncomfortable. Either you are compensating with this whole "be a man man!" bs or you are just really a blithering imbecile. I almost hope its the former. Let me make a few things super clear to you. 1) kicking a ball around is not going to make this guy any less gay 2) Telling him to be a real man won't make him any less gay.. even if you type it in caps 3) You should refrain from giving advice until you educate yourself further (I know I know, that defeats the entire purpose of posting on shiachat)

(wasalam) If this is not what you expected, it is understandable that you are upset and confused. However, Islamically, he can have a different mutah every hour – and if this is where he wants to put his energies – it is his choice. If he is providing housing, clothing and food for you and his children, as he should, he is doing all that is minimally required of him. As for the impact of his actions, only time will tell...it is his road to travel. But, YOU need to lift your depression and sadness. If his actions are upsetting you – you need to remove your thoughts from them by making an active life for yourself that is meaningful and rewarding and that cannot be impacted by his actions. You cannot change him, but you can definitely change how you react to him. This will take concentrated effort – but you can do it!! You have a basic human right to be happy. Find the good in this situation. Perhaps the good in this situation is the motivation to be stronger. Be the best you can be; make it a number one priority to care of your health. The better the shape you are in, the better you can cope with stress. If you are anxious and depressed, your children will be upset. If you are strong and healthy, your daughters will view you with pride and emulate your lifestyle – another bonus! These three things will make you stronger physically and mentally: Eat well – think about the nutrition of everything that you put in your mouth – is it deserving of you :P? If not, put it down. Exercise, exercise, exercise!!! – find a formal program for motivation to start (aerobics, pilates, yoga, etc) and as a way to meet other women so that you can start an informal program (meet for walks, hikes, swimming, etc.) Self study - Read and immerse yourself in an area that you always wanted to explore. Let it be an ongoing interest that you have a hunger to know more and can also be used to distract you when you are feeling weak and upset. All of this will give you more confidence to find your own direction now and in the future. What he does to satsfy himself outside of your marriage to him, will impact you less and less.

Arafah – The Gateway to Karbala On the domain of days, the renowned day of Ashura on the plains of Karbala is separated by 30 days from the Day of Arafah. But there exists a strong bondage between these two days in the domain of message also. It is true, that one clear link is that both of these days have a strong direct association with Aba Abdillah, the Doyen of Martyrs, Imam Hussain (a.s). The day of Arafah could hardly grant a person what he deserves without taking a journey into this ocean of Gnosticism present in the Supplication of Arafah of this great Imam (a.s). This supplication of Imam Hussain(a) recommended to be recited on this Day of Arafah was expressed as a prestigious inheritance by Imam Khomeini (r.a). Arafah which is Marifat , means recognition. This day for those who are present on the plains of Arafah, is a day when they are asked to sit in two pieces of clothes, in scorching heat of Arabia and ponder over just two facts, to whom they belong and where they are going. For those who acquire this maarifat, then they can see the day of Arafah directly revealing them the path to Karbala. The day of Ashura is a day, when the true slaves of Allah(s) achieve the highest possible grade in the vicinity of Allah(s). And this status cannot be achieved when the heart really recognizes the divine essence. And who else would be better than the chief of the day of Ashura to prepare the hearts for this day. This supplication which was recited by Aba Abdillah, in a terrific state. The narrations say that he was crying in an unperceived manner. He was really calling Allah(s) with his words, but he was crying on the pains he was suffering due to the situation prevailing around. He was in fact calling his followers to come forward and recognize Tauheed the way it is to be recognized. This supplication is recommended to be recited on the Day of Arafah in the Harem (shrine) of Imam Hussain (a.s), not because he owns this supplication. It is because of this deep relationship which this supplication has between Arafah and Ashura. We always say in our Ziarat “Faya Laitani Kunto” .. I wish I was present in Karbala. In reality, not everyone can be present in Karbala. The companions of Imam Hussain(a) deserve a special qualification that was very much evident on the night of Ashura. When Aba Abdillah (a) promised them all Paradise even if they leave him, none were ready to leave him. Why? There was some fire which was burning in their hearts. What was that fire? How can I light that fire in my heart so that I also get qualified for Ashura? One of the means to light that fire in our hearts is this supplication of Aba Abdillah. It is the recognition of Allah(s), the true Maarifat of Allah(s), which really prepares us to be companions of Aba Abdillah(a). We very easily say that they sacrificed their lives. But the truth is they sacrificed everything they had. The question is never of quantity, it is of quality. We aim to sacrifice our lives for our Imam, but what all have we or are we sacrificing from our lives now? It is the promise of Allah(s), that no one will escape tests of faith. If we are believers, then we have to undergo tests and sacrifices. These dua’s are those, which prepare us for these tests. If we take a journey through this supplication, we can see that throughout this supplication Aba Abdillah makes us look at ourselves and then makes us realize what divine lord and his lordship is all about. He makes us realize our lowliness, our dependency and moves us deep inside the common materialistic psychology which we possess. It is in fact our approach towards life and towards the creator that becomes manifested in this Dua. The most trembling state of this dua comes, when he utters the statements, whereby he says “When were you not present, so that I need these signs to recognize you. How these signs which are your creations can make me recognize you. Blind are these eyes who cannot see you without these signs” These statements give us a message that true recognition of Allah(s) does not come by knowing or proving Allah in an intellectual way. It comes out of recognition by heart. When heart feels the essence of Allah(s), when it becomes independent of any means to identify his lord. As he says “ You are yourself a proof on your essence” “ I have identified you through you only” . This dua takes a person to the peak of Gnosticism. Ayatullah Misbah Yazdi when he talks about Perfection says, Perfection from Gnostic perspective is when human being feels totally independent from all creations and totally dependent for smallest of the things on his creator (But this in no way eliminates the need for means, and principle of causation) How beautifully our beloved Doyen of Martyrs, sets the criteria of my needs. He says “ O Allah, if you do not full fill this one desire of mine, then all other needs which you have fulfilled is of no benefit to me, and whatever you have not given me will not do any damage to me. And that one desire is that you relieve my neck from the fire of Hell” .. Today we are always concerned about our worldly desires. In fact we have made our worldly desires as the criteria of being good or bad in front of Allah(a). If I am rich, I think Allah is pleased with me, and if I am getting poor I consider that Allah(s) is not pleased with me. Our criteria’s for assessing our deeds is based on materialistic grounds only. This verse of this Dua, tells us that whether my worldly desires are fulfilled or not, it won’t make any difference if at the end I cannot free myself from the fire of hell. As Imam Ali(a) says whatever different course of actions you people adopt, at the end the criteria of judgement is pleasure or displeasure of Allah(s). We wish that Allah(s) kindles this light in our hearts, whereby this fire burns inside our hearts. This is the fire of restlessness, this is the fire which does make a person go to bed unless his body gives up and does not allow him to be in bed for long. This is the fire, where even though he is amongst his beloved people, he still feels disconnected from others. This is the fire, where he constantly thinks and struggles to do something by which his Imam of Age (a.t.) is pleased. Similar to what Imam Sadiq(a) said to Abu Baseer,, that if you really consider me as your Imam, then you are in the army of Imam Al Hujjat(a). This means irrespective of the era of final revolution, if you are delivering what your Imam(a) wants you to deliver, you are counted in the army of Imam e Hujjat(a). Such is Tauheed, the true recognition of Allah(s), which really makes the life of a person miserable. He becomes a stranger on this earth. He becomes a nomad inside his own self. He just can’t wait to see when those veils of Matter would be uncovered and the truths of Unseen get manifested to him. When his heart gets connected so deep to the essence of his beloved Lord that he is eager to see hot blood gushing out from his body, through the weapons of enemies. He cannot withstand an iota of injustice. He cannot tolerate to breathe comfortably one breath under the Wilayat of Taghut. In today’s scenario, how can this disciple of Dua e Arafah be relaxed and comfortable, when he can witness the devilish atmosphere around him. When he can see the bloody clutches of daemons of America and Israel ready to tear part Islam to that level of pieces where it can never recover. How can he, a follower of Aba Abadillah , an inheritor of Dua e Arafah, not be eager to plan for an Ashura inside his own self. How can he still remain astray from the path to Karbala, when this Dua e Arafah itself is the Gateway to Karbala. Now we can imagine what was that fire inside Rohullah Moosavi, which made him Imam Khomeini (r.a). When even the greatest of the Scholars of his time, stopped him and gave him wise advices to not to confront a powerful tyrannical regime, it was the power of these Dua’s , which came to his rescue. He stood like a mountain, because this mountain was not standing on the earth, it was a mountain in heart , the mountain of recognition of his Lord. This man practically taught us the principle, even If you are alone do not fear, keep on delivering your duties. If someone joins you, it is for their benefit and not yours. If those who are not ready to join they do not realize their own benefits, so what can you do ? If the sermons of Ameerul Momineen(a) , supplications of infallibles (a) and blood of Aba Abdillah also cannot wake them up from their deep slumber, then you continue with your journey, because your journey is towards that essence that has no partners. Your journey is to melt in that essence, in which Khomeini melted. My heart mourns when the season of Hajj comes near. It was Khomeini which really made my Hajj as real Hajj. It was Khomeini who taught me how our Imams (a.s) performed Hajj and what is expected to be achieved out of this Hajj. We pray to Allah(s) that those who are on their way to the House of Allah(s), may Allah(s) melt their spirits into his essence. And for unfortunate people like us, whatever is possible to be achieved through these recommended supplications for these days, may we get the Taufeeq to achieve that. May Allah(s), convince us that the time and the need of hour is not to make merry around our lives. It is time to deliver, deliver our duties, go beyond delivery of Obligations and realize our responsibilities. May Allah(a) practically make this Day of Arafah a Gateway to Ashura, and may that day come soon, when our bodies our soaked in our blood, which was shed in the way of Allah(s) and we are successful to open this Gate of Karbala which came from the roadway of Arafah. (salam got this in an email)

کعبہ سے حسینیوں کا سفر کعبہ سے کیا جب کہ سفر قبلہء دیں نے چھوڑاوہ مکاں دوش ِمحمد کے مکیں نے پائ نہ اماں راز ِالہی کے امیں نے عزم ِسفر مرگ کیا گوشہ نشیں نے درپے تھے عدو سبط ِرسول ِمدنی کے مہلت نہ ملی حج کی نواسے کو نبی کے

From what I can tell from your post: I would not say anything to your parents before you let your brother know...and even then it is up to him to choose to tell them as he is an adult and will make his own decisions. I also would not try t to coherce him into telling them - what is the point? Having the family "keep a better eye" on him will not change things at this point and may make it worse if he is rebelling. It will also upset your parents terribly. I dont think it would be constructive. I would tell him that you know - but try very hard not to verbally or non-verbally judge or condemn him or say how disappointed you are or enforce that he has let the family down. He has probably covered all these areas himself and knows how you feel anyway - let him have what is left of his dignity (and this may be as an obnoxious <bleep> at first. Just listen if he wants to talk to you and let him know that you are available. Dont bring it up again - so he knows he can talk to you about other things safely. If he can come to trust that you still love and support him he may find solace and strength to help you guide him on a better path. This could be a great opportunity if you play it right and are not intrusive. He may come to drop the act and be real with you - be patient, this could take time. I think this is the best way as people ususually only follow the advice they request .

[Edited] Moderator's Note: Freedom of speech is one thing but indecency is another. We allow freedom to discuss topics - sensetive, controversial, complex e.t.c But this is an Islamic forum and we do not allow members to misbehave like you did. Whether you were proposing for permanent marriage or temporary marriage, you can not go about on an Islamic forum teasing members to prove your point by asking to marry their sisters/mothers/cousins/daughters. Your nickname suggests that you do not really have any intention to contribute positively to this forum. Therefore you are permanently banned. If you have any further queries, please don't contact me. .

You need to cut the problem off.

:yaali: For me the Ziarat Ashura helps define what it is to be a Shia. If ever there was an anthem for the Shia Nation, this is it. This is on my car cd, I listen to it as i drive to work.

Firstly, you shouldn't be comparing sahaba like 'Ammar (ra) and Abu Dharr (ra) with 'ulama - no matter how respected - in the first place. Secondly, people have and do criticise fuqaha such as those you have named when they believe they have erred. The idea that only someone on the level as Shaykh Mufeed can criticise him is erroneous. The point I was trying to make was already made by someone else in this thread. That is, that while nobody is claiming that Sayed Khumayni was infallible, they behave as if he never committed any mistakes with regards to his policies. I don't think anyone can question the Sayed's pure intentions, but many of his ardent followers appear to believe that everything he did was correct, and any attempt at critically analysing his actions borders on heresy. You only have to witness one member here stating that Agha Montazeri was ostracized not because of his principled stance on a particular issue, which happened to contradict that of Sayed Khumayni, but because he had joined forces with the OMK to assasinate him ! This is just the last in a long line of personal attacks against anyone who dares to question Sayed Khumayni, or who criticises the Wilayatu 'l Faqih, in even the mildest manner.

LOL This actually made my day. Righteo. Sure, interfaith activities. It's good to let people from other religions know what our religion is about. There's no problem with that Islamically, so the only one talking out of their arse here is you. - The 'Maulana' gives a lecture during a majlis. Do you know what a majlis is? The talk does not = majlis. Majlis is a gathering. The talk is a lecture. Nothing complicated there. - So it's not a masjid princess boi. Go study a bit of Fiqh and you'll realise why building a 'masjid' is not always the best way to go. Calling it a centre doesn't change anything at all. -The only one with the wahabbi attitude is you, 'boi'. You clearly don't have logic. When you organise an event, do you know the appropriate word for it? It's called a program you numpty. A 'battle' is not a program, it's a battle. Duh. Just because Muslims pray there, doesn't make it a masjid. I believe this has already been addressed. Oooh, such big words for such a little boy. Don't tell me where to comment and where not to comment, this is a public forum. I don't need to stop you, people with your mentality never achieve anything anyway. I think that's it for now, princessboi.

Thats my point. Nobody is saying that Khomeini was infallible but they are behaving like he was.

3ashiqat, I have usually been respectful towards you because I like you as a person although I don't agree with anything else you have to say. There are a lot of members on this board who I like but whose political/religious views are so deluded and irrational that I can't take them seriously on an intellectual level. As for "respecting scholars" bit, would you have preferred me saying, "Grand Ayatollah Khomenei (ra) was as close to perfection as they come, but he may have screwed this one up a bit?" Maybe put up a picture of him in deep meditation or kissing some Iranian kid as my avatar and quote something he said that sounds deep or just plain cute as my signature? Anyway, I will continue to post my opinion because 1) kind of the point of this place 2) I am not looking for the respect of the group above. I really could care less what they think. Have I not made that clear? :unsure: That being said, please don't tell me to be more respectful as you disrespect me because it makes you look a lot less intelligent than you are (and I am giving your intelligence the benefit of the doubt here).

Salam, Rather, that cursing is part and parcel of becoming one. Side by tawalla is tabarra, and giving la`n to their enemies is perhaps the clearest affirmation of that.

Good for you. I, on the other hand, am not at all amazed by yours.

Yeah, apparently killing 11 people was out of bounds, but murdering thousands was just fine :angel: ...

its unacceptable for him to masturbate while his wife is away but perfectly acceptable for him to take another wife for an hour and have sex with her. :dry:

"Moderate" has become a laughable euphemism for "submissive"

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There is no doubt about it that the Late Ayatullah was persecuted by Khomeni for taking a principled stand.

Here we go............... "Once the heir apparent to Khumayni as supreme leader-jurisprudent (faqih) of the republic, Montazeri was forced to resign in 1989 after he criticized his onetime friend following the mass execution of political prisoners and militant dissidents in the summer and autumn of 1988. Thousands of prisoners were executed, though the exact number remains unknown. Montazeri was not the first Iranian religious scholar to be marginalized by Khumayni and his allies." http://occident.blogspot.com/2009/12/in-memoriam-irans-principled-grand.html

(salam) your choice brother basim, and as for me i know he is truthful so it don't matter who disagrees or who said what. from what i understand though some marji are more learned then others that would explain the contradiction. but now then each individual should try to decide and learn who it is that is less educated in the field they claim. as to the matter at hand let us put a side the fact of what others say and who this fatwa is from and consider what is said in it, "there is a consensus among jurists that prohibition, is limited to spermatic fluid running" and etc research such matters then we can consider then not right until then to say it is not right just because he is ayatollah fadlallah is like saying isa was bad just because one looks at Christianity's view of him. and no offense brother basim i respect you much. and no offense taking. :)

East Africa!!- on behalf of the khojas :)

فرمایا جہاں جاوں کروں قصد جدھر کا چھوڑے گی اجل ساتھ نہ زہرا کے پسر کا اب دھیان ہے شبیر کو بچوں کا نہ گھر کا اب کا یہ سفر مجھ کو وسیلہ ہے ظفر کا گر کوچ سوئے کوفہ نہ ہوئے گا برادر پھر کون میری قبر میں سوئے گا برادر چڑھنے لگے رہار پہ جب سبط ِپیمبر فریاد سوئے کعبہ یہ کی ہاتھ اُٹھا کر چھٹتا ہوں ترے گھر سے میں اے خالق ِ اکبر اس سال ہوا حج بھی نہ خادم کو میسّر پاس آن کے در سے جو تیرے دور جلا ہوں تو عالم و دانا ہ کہ مجبور چلا ہوں

dont worry bro akhbaris have no answer they run as soon as u question them, I like the site for majalises.

(salam) Grand Ayatollah fadlallah says Q: Your belief that woman has no spermatic fluid and consequently her masturbation induces no sperm has brought about great confusion among the public. Could you please explain the details of this ruling together with the consequent ambiguities? And what are the principles and traditions on which your Eminence based your opinion? A: What should be made clear is that if woman had a spermatic fluid similar to man's, which runs upon orgasm, then the woman must wash as man does in a similar situation, also, woman's masturbation would be prohibited on the basis of the legal foundation. Where as, if woman has no spermatic fluid, then wash is not a must as unanimously approved by jurists and then woman's masturbation will be permissible because prohibition is restricted to sperm running, so in the absence of spermatic fluid, masturbation is not an issue that is prohibited or allowed. This is exactly similar to the case when a man plays with his penis without consequent sperm-also unanimously approved by jurists-and wash is not a must, because prohibition is not based on lust inducement but on the misplacement of spermatic fluid (as reported in some narrations). But even if this assumption (woman has no sperm) proved true, we advise women not to get into this bad habit (masturbation), because its practice leads to negative consequences upon marriage and causes psychological, neural and medical complications that threaten her normal life, social status and future marriage. In this respect, some jurists in their comment on my allowance of woman's masturbation regardless of sperm run, refer to two narrations, the first of which is narrated by Oubeida Ben Zarara, who said: Once, an old neighbor of us had a pretty and expensive bondwoman. That old man couldn't have full sexual intercourse with his bondwoman, who would ask him to put his hand on her labia because that gave her greater pleasure, but he detested that. So, the old man demanded that Zarara ask Imam Jaafar Sadiq (a.s.) about the matter. So, Zarara asked the Imam, who said, "There is no harm in using any of his body parts to give her pleasure, but he is not allowed to use anything other than his body". The second narration is given by the same narrator, Zarara, and it says: I asked Imam Sadiq (a.s) about men who have many bondwomen, but they can't have full sexual intercourse with them, so they give them pleasure by other means". Then the Imam replied, "There is no harm in using any of his body organs." But the two mentioned narrations are clearly prohibiting the use of any outside means to satisfy the wife's sexual desire, though they permit the use of the male's other organs including the hand to satisfy the wife, but there is no mention of whether she can use her own hand or not. Q: Since this fatwa doesn't represent a practical necessity, but it leads to corruption and moral dissolution when adopted by women who might be entrapped by moral disadvantages, some ask why aren't precautional fatwas issued in this respect? And why is this fatwa aroused in general? A: Those who say so haven't experienced the critical problems undergone by women when they are encountered by urgent situations, which drive them to inquire about the legal ruling that might put an end to these problems. We have experienced the depth of these problems through studying the various situations and through receiving questions that seek rulings in cases as when a woman's husband is imprisoned and she is not sure whether he is dead or alive, or when a husband spends a long time in prison in the absence of any legal circumstances that lead to divorce, or when a husband is in a state of absence, where the wife should legally wait for four years to be then divorced by the judge if the husband's guardian doesn't sustain her, or when a husband remains abroad for a long time where reunion is impossible due to financial reasons. All these cases turn to be serious sexual problems, which drive the jurist to seriously think of finding solutions. It's natural that women's masturbation sometimes leads to negative consequences, but prohibition or negligence on the part of the jurist also have more negative impacts on the life of woman, especially the married one who has no legal opportunity to solve sexual problems. In short, the mentioned details pressed me to study the subject in a legally responsible way. Q: Can't we consider the above-mentioned damage a main cause to prohibiting this habit? A: I don't think this habit leads to the damage that necessitates prohibition; Moreover, there is a consensus among jurists that prohibition, is limited to spermatic fluid running. So, if a man plays with his penis not intending to induce sperm and if he could hold himself back before orgasm leads to ejaculation, then he is not a sinner; consequently, he must not wash, and he must not break his fast if he is fasting. This is agreed upon by all jurists because masturbation (as understood by all jurists) means the coming out of sperm. http://english.bayyn...rudence/sex.htm ---------------- therefore would it be safe to assume that this is not prohibited, but rather not advised except under certain cases and circumstances. Allah knows best. therefore let no one be confused this clears up any confusion of my earlier post. (wasalam)

تھے سبط ِنبی کوچ کی تدبیر میں اُس رات کی آکے جو ابن ِحَنَفیَّہ نے ملاقات بھائ سے بغل گیر ہوئے شاہ ِخوش اوقات کی عرض محمد نے کہ اے قبلہء حاجات کوفہ کی طرف جانے میں اندیشہء جاں ہے مکہ میں مکیں ہوں کہ بزرگوں کا مکاں ہے حیدر ہیں نہ زہرا نہ حسن ہیں نہ پیمبر تم چار بزرگوں کی نشانی ہو برادر حضرت ہی کے رہنے سے مدینہ ہے منوّر سن سن کے فروغ آپکا جلتے ہیں ستمگر اس شمع کو بھی گل نہ کریں مجھکو یہ غم ہے اب پنجتن ِپاک میں حضرت ہی کا دم ہے حضرت نے کہا ہوتا ہے ناچار روانا بھاتا ہے کسے اپنا وطن چھوڑ کے جانا میں بیکس و مظلوم ہوں دشمن ہے زمانا اب تو ہے مدینہ میں نہ مکہ میں ٹھکانا حاسد ہے کوئ در پئے آزار ہے کوئ حامی ہے کوئ اور نہ مدد گار ہے کوئ کرتا نہ سفر کوئ مجھے گر نہ ستاتا باہر کبھی روضہ سے محمد کے نہ جاتا میں کیا کروں بھائ مجھے کچھ بن نھیں پڑتا مرقد سے بزرگوں کے مقدر ہے چھڑاتا بے دینوں کو جینا مری منظور نہیں ہے ہو جاوں یہیں قتل تو کچھ دور نہیں ہے اس امر کا درپے ہے یزید ِستم ایجاد باقی رہے دنیا میں محمد کی نہ اولاد ڈرتا ہوں یہاں قتل کریں گر مجھے جللاد حرمت حرم ِکعبہ کی ہوجائے گی برباد کعبہ سے میں نکلوں یہ گوارا مجھے کب ہے ناچار ہوں دوری کا سبب پاس ِادب ہے

Get the F#$# out of this thread...don't need your help....

How can you sit there and judge his knowledge? how do you know? HE HAS THESE THOUGHTS, he prays to be straight! Isnt any of this sinking in to you, he obviously doesnt want these thoughts, we need to HELP him, not scream at him while he's down, that isnt every Islamic. We need to advise him, and give him good advice to see the BEAUTIFUL side of Islam, not this abusive [Edited Out].

What I am saying is that I do not think most are bigots. Most of the people who voted for this referendum are just people who are either scared of the unknown or put off by certain things that a lot of Muslims believe in or practice which they view as out of tune with their own culture and values. Killing apostates. Stoning adulterers. Amputating thieves. Controlling or disrespecting women. Believing non-Muslims to be unclean. Believing in slavery and concubinage. Killing homosexuals. Giving unequal weight to testimony of men and women, regardless of the knowledge of the woman. Giving unequal value in civil damages for men and women. Giving unequal weight in testimoney and damages between Muslims and non-Muslims. Differing tax systems for Muslims and non-Muslims. Preventing women from being judges, top Islamic scholars, and political leaders. They don't perceive the Muslims in their country as objecting to these practices and beliefs, and so they have a fear that if the Muslim population continues to grow in proportion to the point where they someday become a majority, they will enforce these beliefs and practices on the Europeans. The Europeans find the thought of this intolerable, because, historically, their ancestors believed in and did many of the same things, and the Europeans believe that a move away from those earlier practices was progress, and thus that a move back to those things would be a regress. A lot of us Muslims complain about the European overreactions toward Muslims, and say things like "these Europeans are intolerant towards us; this shows that their claims to be tolerant are empty hypocrisy." But from their perspective, because of some of the beliefs and practices above, it is the Muslims who are intolerant. From their point of view, there is no inconsistency or hypocrisy, because as they see it, tolerance does not mean tolerating intolerance itself.

Hi This is to Maryam Thankyou so much for your extremely kind and thoughtful words, I honestly took them into deep consideration and am trying to apply as much of them as I possibly can. It is so different seeing a females reaction to mutah compared to a male. for example that guy who had his say that "if my marriage fails its my fault" . What a loser, god help him with his wife !!!!!!!!! Yes mutah is halal, but till now noone has evidance of consequences if the partner does find out. Keeping in mind it is halal to do this behind the partners back. Okay what are the consquences when things are found out. If there is nothing wrong with this , why not have it out in the open, why all this secrecy.??? I believe that the shia men have taken full advantage of this law, and if they have no problem engaging in mutah every hour, don't put your family through this torment. I will find it so hard to teach my girls that hey if when you marry you find out your husband is engaging in mutah this is completely normal, just go ahead your daily lives. I want to know one woman who has absolutely no problem with her husband doing mutah. Give me one women who is living a happy and trusting relationship after knowing what her husband is doing. And to all you guys whos reply to me was get over it , it is all your fault. tell me, if your sister was married and this happened to her, are you telling me you would not at all feel upset for her or disappointed with her husband. Your pathetic if you think this is not going to have a massive impact on her life. Imagine walking down the street with your husband and there are women with whom he is having a relationship with pass you by, are you telling me this is not morally wrong?????????? If your husband leaves home for mutah, he is taking that time away from his current wife and his current children. SO to all the males that take part in mutah i will not say good luck!!!! You know I once met a girl who told me that this guy who used to fix her computer , asked her a say this phrase in arabic , she said it and then they had a sexual relationship. This was while his wife was home with the kids , thinking that her husband was working. That is sick. This girl that was doing the mutah with the guy, fully new his wife and said she was gorgeus and a very sweet person. I asked her "how could you do this ". Her response was hey sex came to me , why turn it down". I could go on for hours about how negative this is. but guys will never think with their heads and the consequences, they will only think in the moment and if it feels good , well what the hell why not!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^^ Forgot to add to the above – Part of taking care of yourself, is to make sure that all monies earned by you or given to you as gifts are housed in bank account in your name only, as all monies accrued by you are for your choice of use. Leave this money in case you need it. Allah will protect you. Practice the rights given to you.

it is absolutely haram.

mabrook on the biz. hope its a success. you may want to improve the size/font of the text in the perm url. the temp one is not as clear as it can be (esp white writing at bottom).

O my Allah make available for me the recommendations of Husayn on the day I present myself before Thee, let me stand firm in safety before Thee on account of my sincere attachment with Husayn, alongwith him and his comrades, who sacrificed everything they had (heart, mind, soul and life) for Husayn, peace be on him.