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Dear bro, my heart goes out to you and I applaud your courage at being able to come forward with what you've faced. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of confusion and anguish you must be experiencing right now... You have my deepest support and prayers. As far as homosexuality, it absolutely does exist in that it is as real as the feelings behind it are; and feelings do have a reality, albeit an intangible one that can hardly be proven unless you're the one experiencing them. The question is, why do these feelings exist, and as a result of what? Islam tells us that it is not in the fitrat of a human being to be sexually attracted to the same gender ((although note that homosexual thoughts are not punished, only actions are)), so where do these feelings come from? I think it's impossible to dismiss the correlation between victims of sexual abuse and incidence of homosexuality. A staggering percentage of people who identify themselves as homosexuals have had childhood experiences much like yours- situations where intercourse was forced upon them when they couldn't even understand what it was- all they could understand was the way their body was responding; with pain, but also likely with involuntary pleasure which the body's most animalistic faculties can cause a person to feel simply as a response to sex, regardless of the context. It's that pleasure, over which victims have no more control than the rape itself, that I think in part leaves so many feeling confused, guilty, and disgusted with themselves. If you felt yourself feeling pleasure for even a moment, you might then have wondered to yourself: why would I feel this way, unless being attracted to men and sexually interested in them is a part of who I am? Sorry in advance for being crude here, but- the truth is, perverse men throughout history have tried doing the dirty with animals and found themselves turned on even then- but just because the human body is capable of responding pleasurably in response to intercourse with a goat, does not mean that goats and men are meant to be together- it simply proves that that aspect of us works like a machine and has virtually nothing to do with the spiritual reality of love. Another reason I think sexual abuse can lead to self-identifications of homosexuality is because aligning your lifestyle and your identity with what happened to you is a defense mechanism that gives you a feeling of control. You did not have control over the abuse inflicted on you and it was among the most psychologically damaging things that could happen to you as a child, therefore you grow up to consider putting yourself into situations similar to what you experienced then- male+male intercourse- only this time, you are at last able to add the element of control that you lacked in your vulnerable times as a child. This is a trend sometimes seen in young girls who are sexually abused by their fathers or other male adults... they often grow up to pursue partners much older than themselves, with the same domineering qualities and many of the same tendencies (ie. alcoholism) as the men who abused them. In these cases, too, the girls are looking for belated affirmation by repeating the situations that happened to them, but under circumstances that make them feel like they have a choice, and like the respect these chosen partners give them can make up for the respect their abusers never did... It is unbelievably painful to confront the possibility that the men who abused them did not do it because they loved and cared about them and wanted to show them this- but rather that they were psychologically disturbed individuals who grossly took advantage of them and committed the worst offenses possible against them- so they try to run from that possibility by finding men like their abusers to assure themselves that their abusers could've loved them. The truth will always be, though, that real love would NEVER violate a person's body or heart, and evil people come in all sorts of packages- some of them can be gentle, trustworthy, loving, kind, etc etc.- but that does NOT excuse the wrongness of their actions, and it does not make it okay or less bad for them to commit abuse, and it does not lessen their guilt. A final reason sexual abuse might lead many people to think of themselves as homosexuals is because it's a way for victims to soften the terror of what has actually happened to them. It would be upsetting to the point of total madness to have to accept, as a child, that somebody you loved, and cared about, and trusted, could have done the most wrong and hurtful thing humanly possible to you- and in fact, accepting that you're a homosexual can be easier than accepting that you were sexually abused and seeing it for what it really was. So many victims distort what really happened by convincing themselves that the abuse was their fault, that their abuser was a good person who loved them, or that the abuse wasn't so bad because a part of them was orientated to enjoy it. But see the situation for what it really was... your sexual identity was not independently formed at that tender age; any sexual feelings a child has are purely physiological phenomena that children do not understand or have a use for until the passage of time and maturity. You were not given the chance to wait and find out... your sexual inclinations were molded by abuse, not your own free will. If you had been assaulted by women rather than men, you likely would've developed an unhealthy attraction toward harmful women instead; if it had been an alien, you might've ended up attracted to aliens, and so on. The point is, your attraction was shaped by what happened to you, not what you decided, and it could've gone any direction had the situations been different. What you need to realize, then, is this- you are a spiritual being much more than you are a physical being, and your sexual attractions do not determine who you are any more than the texture of your skin or the color of your eyes- because none of these things were decided for you; some were genetics, some brute circumstance. You are not simply/unquestionably a gay person and your sexual attractions do not define you- you are a young man who experienced repeated sexual abuse that may have inclined you toward becoming interested in men, because this was the nature of formative interactions beyond your control- but you are not only that. You are also an incredible warrior of a human being who has struggled so hard to keep his faith- fighting that ultimate jihaad amid situations most of us can't even imagine- and far stronger than most people I know. You're not just a sexual being so don't let that conundrum alone preoccupy you; you can also be a student, an artist, a writer, a soccer player, a pilot, and so on... being gay or straight is not the only thing, it's one very miniscule quality among an infinite number of others. You've also never gotten to be with a woman... don't be alarmed if you've never met a girl who interested you; some people search a lifetime before someone catches their eye, so don't close the door on the female half of the human race just yet. And if you're worried, deep down inside, that a woman wouldn't want to be with you because of what you've been through and the doubts you've had, don't be... if every 'perfectly straight' guy was as sincere as you, the wives of the world would be much happier women. I know, at the end of the day, you probably feel extremely lonely, and might also be inclined to believe that you're a homosexual because most guys don't go through the sexual confusion that you've experienced, so you might think that this confusion is absolute and irrefutable evidence that you aren't like the others. But the reason the average guy doesn't have to face the questions you have to face is not because he's straight and you're gay, it's because you have had experiences with being molested as a child and the average guy hasn't, so he doesn't even have a context in which to imagine the issues and attractions that are plaguing you. In summary, it's okay to question, it's okay to doubt, it's okay to consider... but more than anything, it's okay to let yourself feel sadness, and anger, and wonder why this happened to you and what the hell was wrong with the monsters who hurt you. Blame them, scream at them, accept what they did, don't put yourself through denial or self-hatred or misplaced guilt... know that none of it was your fault, and know that God loves you very very much. The fact that you've tried so hard, all these years, to maintain your faith even though you've been through so much is absolutely mind-blowing. I could never have that kind of faith, I don't know anyone who could survive as you have... there's gotta be one heck of a special place in heaven for an amazing soul like yours. You have suffered, and suffered, and suffered, but you can also triumph. Please don't give up on yourself. Even if you end up shaking your head and feeling convinced that you can't change your feelings of attraction, that's okay. You're still a wonderful being in my eyes, and I am just a flawed human being... imagine how precious you may very well be to God, who has 70 times the mercy of the most superior human beings, and an infinite amount of love to give. Please know that God did not want this to happen to you, and He did not cause it or stand by and watch- He gave human beings free will- free will that allows us to love each other, to serve each other, to do brilliant beyond brilliant things for our fellow human beings- but with all the good things we are capable of have to come the bad; the good could not exist without the darkness- so we are equally capable of harming, and taking advantage of, and destroying others. I am so sorry that you had to be on the receiving end of so much bad... you did not deserve it, and it did not have to be you, and those filthy goddamned [Edited Out]s will be punished for choosing you to harm- but please know that you are equally entitled to be on the receiving end of the world's good; let yourself move on and live peacefully and insh'Allah you will experience the happiness you deserve after so much hardship. You've been hurt, but you can also be loved and healed and put back together.

Nicley put :) but we should be addressing these comments as inappropriate as they appear - and I think Marbles anger is justifiable here. He does address male comments against women quite regularily. It is a big point that women do not address ugly things women say about men on those threads and view it as a joke justified as payback for the horrible things men say. It is wrong and leads to a lot of hostility, I think it would be nice if we were all on the same side and did not let gender divide us. There seems to be more positive interactionamoung non-Mulsim males and females (and I am not ignoring all the not-so-good Western commercial oppression of women) - but in terms of working respectful relationships. Muslims seem to look for reasons to be at each others throats - differences in gender, race, country of origin, neighbourhood of Baghdad..... you get the idea. But it is true - it is difficult to understand the oppositie gender and how they react to things - especially when it seems disproportionate. Maybe And your point is..................:P I am sending that to my dad LOL Yes you have been and it is not reciprocated in kind. Point taken. Men do have hormone cycles....

It takes a lot of courage to share your darkest secrets even when you are anonymous. You relive the past that you try to block in your head every passing moment of your life. I am an eighteen year old male, and here I am, back on the forum where I once praised Islam and shared nohas, the place where I shared my pain for the sacrifices that were made for Islam. Muharram is coming up, and for every year of my life I have been fully devoted to it. I grew up in a corner-lot house, on one side we faced a Shia Masjid, on the other side was an Imam Bargah. The images of these places are painted in my head and I will never forget them. I was raised in this house till I was nine and every Muharram i spent all my days at the Masjid for male majilis and at the Imam Bargah for the female majilis. I had done almost anything a momin does for Muharram by the time I was 9. From decorating a Taboot to carrying an Alam to doing Zanjeer ka matam at the age of five. My mother used to tell me to calm down whenever Muharram came around, she was always worried that I would get exhausted. Some of my earliest childhood memories consist of Julooses and Zuljenahs and huge Alams that I one day wished to hold. Up until I was 9, every 8th Muharram my family put together an Alam and I took it out to the juloos that passed the front of my house and concluded at the Masjid. This was based on a manat my mother made before I was born. My family used to give out milk mixed with rooh-afzah and almonds. After I turned 9 our family came to the US and we still took out an Alam in the local Imam Bargah and passed out the rooh-afzah flavored drinks. I am writing this because I have lost all faith in god and maybe this year would be the first that I don't take out an Alam. Let's go back to when I was 5, 6, or 7, living in my neighborhood that seemed so religious. Everyone knew me by my name, I was the little kid loved by all the people at the masjid and the imam bargah. The women at the imam bargah knew me, the men at the masjid knew me, everyone on our block knew me, and maybe thats why I always felt so safe. The first time it happened was with our servant. I called him Chacha Sadiq, he was around 40 years old. Althought he was a muslim, he wasn't shia, but he always respected our believes. He was like a family member to us and I used to respect him so much. He was the first person who ever sexually molested me, and not just once, but maybe three or four times. The second person was Fouji Bhai, idk why I called him that, but he was always another guy I looked up to, Fouji Bhai. Whenever Muharram came around he would guide me around, he used to hold one of the biggest Alams, and I always wanted to be like him, tall and strong enough to hold an Alam that big. One time I ran up to him on the street to say hi and he took me to his room which was right above the Imam Bargah. Although his extent of molesting me wasn't as explicit as Sadiq's, but I still new whatever he was doing was wrong. Later i faced countless occasions where the teenagers who were living at the Masjid to be part of some Matami Dasta made me feel them up. I was a kid but I always knew something was wrong. Then when I turned 9 i moved to the US and slowly growing up I realized what had happened to me. This made me more religous and by the age of 13-14 I started praying five times a day. I started reading up on a lot of Islamic books and especially books on Karbala. This website became a part of my religious life for where it answered many questions and helped me share my passion for the Ahl-e-Bait. I guess recently I have realized that I am not attracted to women anymore, I am attracted to men. It makes me ashamed of myself, I can't look at myself in the mirror. Was this genetic? Was i born this way? How much part did nature vs nurture play? Was it because of all the things that had happened to me growing up? I asked many Maulanas and even talked to my sister about this, everyone said pray to Allah, and there is no such thing as being gay. I did pray to Allah, I have been praying all my life, I havent done many bad things except little white lies. Then why is god punishing me for no good reason, why would god let such a thing happen to a little boy and then turn his life miserable when he is all grown up. Then one day I thought, maybe there is no god....there is no justice... Whatever happened to me, nature or nurture, I didn't go out and make them happen, they happened to me, they happened to me in very religous places, by very 'religous' men. Where does that leave all religions? Where does that leave Islam?

(Expressions from the heart Without a shred of talent...for which I sincerely apologise) The Listener Break time School playground Peals of laughter, screams Running, jumping Somersaults in the sandpit She lingered around the play area Dreamy smile on her cherubic face Gently kissed by short curls A longing in her eyes Hesitant desire in her heart Held back By blurred emotions Defied By physical impairment Imperceptible Yet undeniable Children self-absorbed Teachers gossiping, sipping tea Oblivious of the little girl Crouched At the edge of the playground Finally Back to class Resigned to the rest of the day….. *** 3 0’clock! Children scramble out In all directions The little girl Sits on a wooden bench Skinny legs dangling Weighed down by heavy shoes A necessity to set right Picturing the goodies she will eat Stomach growling slightly Patiently waiting Knowing she will be delayed As always All at once, Her name is called She looks up expectantly An unmistakable smile She walks as fast as she can Running, almost Dragging her over-sized bag ‘Salam my angel How was your day?’ The little girl recounts, With much enthusiasm, How she skipped, ran, jumped….. A sad, knowing smile from mum A warm life-giving embrace Finally she belongs A surge of confidence To be the queen of the house Heartily laugh without reservations Throw some tantrums even For a few hours Before she returns To take her place As the Observer The Listener…

I think a much better choice for her would be to find a room for rent with a family (preferably a practicing Christian or Jewish family w/ kids). I did this for a while when I was in college and although it might be uncomfortable for her, it probably wouldn't be unsafe. If you are living in a house with non muslims, college age, then definitely alcohol will be consumed in the house at some point. I am not saying all non muslims who drink will do something to her, but why take the chance. You are not just having to trust the guys she is living with but also their friends and their friends-friends. That is alot of people and statistically, increases your chances for a bad incident In a house with a family with kids, their is usually less traffic, in terms of people, and more monitoring of those going in and out since the family will definitely want to protect their own kids from bad situations and you/she will benefit from this.

How can you sit there and judge his knowledge? how do you know? HE HAS THESE THOUGHTS, he prays to be straight! Isnt any of this sinking in to you, he obviously doesnt want these thoughts, we need to HELP him, not scream at him while he's down, that isnt every Islamic. We need to advise him, and give him good advice to see the BEAUTIFUL side of Islam, not this abusive [Edited Out].

The fact that this happened to you in very "religious" places by very "religious" men does not reflect on Islam. The reality of sexual abuse is that is it almost always carried out by people we trust in authority positions. We tend to trust our pastors, our priests, and our imams with the sacred task of enriching our children and caring for them because we believe that in entrusting our children to these men of God we are submitting our trust ultimately to Him. Trust can lead to abuse. Is that necessarily always the case? Absolutely not and I am sure there are members on this forum that can advocate the moral decency of religious figures in their lives, but I am sure there are many more (such as yourself) who have found themselves betrayed by a man and felt betrayed by God as a result. I am concerned about a few things here, namely the role your sexual abuse has to play in your homosexuality. Being sexually abused has its definite implications and can contribute significantly to how you view your sexuality but it does not necessarily have to define you. You are only a product of what you have been subject to and perhaps time, healing, and professional help are essential to understanding YOUR sexual inclinations and desires rather than the sexual desires of the vile men who stole your innocence and molded your sexual identity. Please do PM me if you want more information about where to get this kind of help (since you are located in the United States) because it is critical that you are able to separate what happened to you from who you are. If you are gay this is something that will involve a lot more variables. You will get a lot of reactions like the ones you received on this thread, reaction from people who believe they know you and can define you because they have some sort of divine knowledge that allows them to do so. Screw them. Don't let them define you. You can't choose whether or not you are gay and no matter how many times they pretend they know they answers.. they simply do not. You won't ever be able to get across to them and you won't ever be able to make these people understand so I suggest you stop caring about whether or not homosexuality exists. Want proof that homosexuality exists? Go to san franfreggincisco.. or as brother Mahdaviat/Rubaiyat (one of the guys with the Iranian Flag wrapped around his eyes) suggested.. go see a mardi gras parade! All tasteless jokes aside though.. this is something that is strictly between you and Allah. Find out what this means for you and your future and embrace it. He does not give us a test we cannot pass, nor does he put us on this earth to deny who we are and live a life of self hatred and loathing where our nights are spent praying he had not created us so differently. Love who you are because He loves you too.

Salam, Do everything in your power to prevent your sister from coming in this situation. Its absolutely unacceptable. God help you.

Salam Alikum dear brother, First, I suggest to those who do not have anything constructive to contribute, to respect others and refrain from participating. To the original poster, My professional background is related to some of the issues you brought up, and I hope this helps: In my opinion, one of the main reasons your belief system seems to have crumbled is that it is based on materialistic rituals and things- I do not mean to offend, but this goes for the general Shia population. Idea of Muharram and iall its symbolism is really saddening, as it is ENTIRELY irrelevant to the events of Muharram. This is another topic entirely, but it is somewhat related to your problem because you put your trust and faith in people that were supposed to be worthy of it. And they were not, may God guide us all. Just to shed some light, I grew up in an Islamic "Shia" atmosphere as well, and 90% of the guys who participated in muharram events with a lot of 'passion', were absolute hoodlums. Muharram seems to be the season for these kind of people to rise... Anyway, to be more specific, you grew up in an environment that, in your mind, you constructed to be the "truth" or right path- and as you grew up you found that it is absolutely not...in fact it has caused you great turmoil that isnt supposed to come with an Islamic wholesome environment...so you have somewhat,maybe subconsciously, "rebelled" against it all- not because you are gay or an unbeliever, but because you are expressing your anger and frustration by abandonment . I hope you realize your idea of being religious growing up is anything but related to God and simply attached to earthly rituals that have little meaning. This is why you suddenly feel lost, because all you had was the physical aspect of worship. I encourage, and pray for you to truly study Islam--but first you have to rid yourself of any prejudices or biases. Don't relate actions to people (ex: praying makes you good, so and so prayed but did bad things, etc),but just study it for yourself. Dedicate your time and energy to the study of TRUE Islam, but first teach yourself to study without biases! I promise you will find new strengths and understand your purpose. Remember one thing, the people who have abused you are absolutely not worth your time, your emotions or anger ... learn to forgive them. In your times of weakness you will find your truth strengths. I am praying for you, and I applaud your courage in speaking truthfully about your beliefs. God bless you salam

Growing up as a fatherless child from the age of 7 among four women including three sisters with no other male figure around, I thought that I am best poised to understand the needs of women and problems they face in contemporary societies. However, I have come to the conclusion that I am far from understanding womankind as a gender. Would a male perspective in my early years improved this understanding? There is an intellectual air when speaking about the oppression of women, their emancipation and the ways to achieve it. Noble thing to do but it has become a one way process. We are happy to talk about the benefits but overlook the costs and earned responsibilities that come along with it. The needs of modern women have come at a high cost.... trivialising the needs of men and a dangerously eroded family/social structure. Women in their pursuit of 'freeing' themselves from the clutches of ''traditionalism' feel it acceptable to cross borders and trample on the personal space and rights of men, both from ethical and religious standpoints. Men have been put into a difficult situation with little ability to deal with these women who seem to be perpetually angry. Men are described as primitive "cavemen" whose only goal is to maintain oppressive privileges. I am fed up with reading this on on SC...comments such as 'most men are not good enough for women', [as if women are sacred houris from heaven] ‘women do so many sacrifices' [as if men enjoy sacrifice-free life], 'all men are pigs until proven otherwise' [what about your fathers, brothers, husbands and sons?]. It goes without saying that this behaviour is condescending, rude, vulgar and repulsive. What angers me is that comments like this appear to enjoy approval. The vast majority of women are complicit with their silence. Just look at the responses to the afore-mentioned comments on SC. No condemnation whatsoever. Does being 'feminist give them the licence to insult men. All hell would break loose if men said some of the things about women that women get away with. Does the responsibility of maintaining community akhlaq fall only on men? This mindset is destructive. It plays into the hands of real misogynists and insults the intelligence and integrity of the mostly good, but continually dissed men, who really want to create a workable solution based on equality in the society. Modern woman has the academic smarts to work in a man's world but she has also revealed a narrow small minded attitude that favours themself over the common good. Increasingly aggressive if not everything falls their way, women have achieved their milestones by adopting the worst of the traits of men - not the best. Women are increasingly becoming an embarrassment to their gender and to their legacy of their mothers, grandmothers and aunts. They have dropped the grace and nobility in search of an elusive and sometimes unclear role in the modern world. There is a genuine need to do some introspection as to the impact of this grab for the society at large. I have received scorns from men for being biased in favour of women. But women have pushed the boundaries too far and I am having more and more trouble justifying it. Is it justifiable?

LOL do you deliver?

That was probably just the result of AliMohammad40 pulling an all nighter ;)

Read into what you wiil.......but actually, my timing is impeccable and yes, apology accepted.

Men who can cook are hot commodities - I hear it all the time - you will be beating them off... :Hijabi:

Oh I’m glad you finally addressed the issue instead of dancing like a whirling dervish chanting “women, women” in ecstasy. Riggghtt, the thing is that I value your opinion and was distressed to see you so easily throw out my thoughts. It was a serious issue and you were being dismissive and arrogant. I was really rude and mean to you wasn’t I? But I’m glad it worked for you LOL. Soo am I sorry for being rude? NO. Should you apologise for taking million years to get to the point? DEFINITELY YES :P I knew that you know I am not made at you for real - your cool and calm reaction proved that. :angel: Dair aayed durust aayed [i’m not translating this one for you]

Blithering imbecile.

(wasalam) g bilkul, to me a wife is the other terminal of the battery so both the terminals are equally important and needed for the smooth flow of charge in the circuit , so both the terminals (husband,wife) share the equal amount of responsibility to run n manage the home n be a productive unit(home) of the society. but lets see aagay hota hay kia - Allah reham karay

Not viewing the supposed weaknesses as inherent doesn't make the problems go away does it? So how do we address it? I have been doing this all along. Check my record on SC. But are those angry women willing to reciprocate? I doubt it very much.

You can compromise your religion without being in a loaded situation - but this one is definitely loaded. It is difficult enough sharing with girls and all their friends - but these guys have friends too and they will be coming over. At best it would be uncomfortable and at worst unsafe. Add drinking to that and it could be really difficult. I could not always find Muslim roomates (only had one) so always went with practising Christians - I wasnt converted and had a safe quiet home....for the most part :P Meant to add that she could check out some of the organizations or clubs to her liking and see if they have any openings in their houses. Not sure how it works there though.

When and If you go to Najaf, then you may go and visit Seyed Ali Sistani's house. Large majority of the Shias around the world will be living in a far better quality house, and living a higher life stayle than he does.

Not only stoning is not a prescribed punishment for adultery in the Quran, the fact is Quran prescribes flogging for both fornication and adultery. Now, STUPID Sunnis say that there used to be a stoning verse but this verse was removed while the ruling still holds!!! Really? Why would God instruct the prophet to remove the verse of stoning *while keeping* the verses which say that flogging is the punishment for adultery??!!! Now, Sunnis give two very laughable answers to this question: 1- God wants to test us!!! 2- God wants to show that Muslims will carry His orders (of stoning) even though it's not in His book unlike the Jews who dropped stoning despite being in their books!!! It is unbelievable how stupid those Sunni scholars are! The ruling in the Quran says flogging... no stoning whatsoever! there is absolutely no point of keeping the ruling of flogging adulterers while removing the *alleged* final say in this which is *supposedly* stoning! And by the way, the *corrupted* Torah prescribes stoning for A LOT of things (including adultery/fornication). Eg. disobedient kids? Stone them! A man disrespect priests? Stone him! A man curses? Stone him! Someone worked on a Saturday? Stone them! Stone! Stone! Stone! is all over the corrupted Torah! What I personally think is, Muslims many years after the death of the prophet had a good chance to read other scriptures (includin the Torah) and they liked the idea of stoning unfaithful wives... so they forged these Hadiths about the prophet stoning people to death! Besides, think about it for a second. The harm of an adulterer is really small compared to the harm caused by a killer, for example... YET the killer dies swiftly by the sword while the adulterer dies the MOST PAINFUL death imaginable! Stones start raining on him breaking his bones, liquifying his flesh, slow, painful, torture until he finally dies!!! Stoning is not only killing.. it's killing after a long agonizing torture! And all for what? Because he cheated on his wife? That's it? And a killer dies swiftly even though he KILLED someone?! Think! Think! This ruling of stoning was stolen from the corrupted Torah (which prescribes this horrible punishment for all sorts of trivial sins... even for disobedient kids or collecting sticks on a Saturday!) Read : AlNur: 1-8 Also read here: 4:25 And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens; and Allah knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other; so marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they committ FAHISHA, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Usually I would say dont be a Scrooge and just go to these events! But this year xmas is during Muharram so we all gonna have to be Scrooge's

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repeat this mantra

It is not the question of how much you can take care. It is the question of haram. Therefore the outcome can never be good.

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Agreed. What is a "modern" woman? What needs have been taken from you by "modern" women? What "rights" are being trampled on by these perpetually angry little tarts running around in business suits before they have tended to the religious and ethical rights and space of their male counterparts? Here is the thing.. I am a bit surprised by the generalities in this thread (I am not alone here) so perhaps a little bit of clarification is in order? I know the image painted above is NOT the image you intended on presenting (dear lord lets hope it is not) but that is what it sounds like to my overly aggressive, feminist ears and that reality should be addressed before we can even begin to have anything remotely resembling a civil dialogue that is conducive to better understanding of either gender. Not asking you to spare my feelings as a woman. We can throw mud all day, but I would rather actually talk (who am i kidding.. mud throwing is more my thing). It really does go without saying that this behavior is condescending, rude, vulgar, and repulsive.. so why are we approaching it as though it is representative of feminism when it simple is NOT. Why are we giving it more credit, consideration, and time than it is even worth? Do we visit the same website? This makes no sense to me. Elaborate? The rest I believe Maryaam and Calm have already addressed so I won't regurgitate their very articulate points. What do we owe our grandmothers or our gender? Are men as noble as their grandfathers before them? Don't you think our values have eroded and the blame for this does not rest squarely on the shoulder of "womankind" but rather in the general indifference and vices of "humankind?" I am definitely pushing all sorts of boundaries ;) . I suggest you put me in my place before I become any more of an embarrassment to my gender or my poor grandmother in Iraq who thinks my brazen, feminist tendencies are a direct ticket to hell.

Tell her to use the blessing of Mutah. Do it with one of the 3 guys and it will solve the problem without having to commit a sin.

Also, people on their personal experience, here is some questions to ask. Did any of the guys find you attractive? Did you find any them attractive? And what level of attraction if so (especially if was two way). please don't answer those questions, just bringing the factors up/ Cause stuff didn't happen in your situation and there was no "risk", doesn't mean it's ok for anyone. And if your strong, don't think everyone is strong. And if you got lucky with "good" people (society doesn't regard sex outside bad, so they are being "good" by their standards), don't expect everyone to get lucky. When did the world become mostly saints that you let sister/daughter in a house full of guys, sleep with no worries, all of course, cause that is no big deal but spending some extra money is a big deal.

mashallah, this musti should be similar to the masti of the baggers of dar e ahlulbait a.s , like salman ,abuzar,mesam,miqdad,amar e yasir etc we need to compare our mastis

didn't stop them from doing the "right" thing though. That is critical.

Yeh.. lets do that instead seeing as that is what this thread is about ;) AI has been EXTREMELY critical of Israeli war crimes and has (because apparently it needs to be repeated) urged the UN to address these crimes and improve the efficiency with which they do so. I will take the information on HRW with a grain of salt until I do my own research.. but the idea that there are corrupt organizations out there is most certainly not a shocker, nor was it something that I did not address in my post. There is a HUGE difference between them owing loyalty to a certain country, religion, or ethnic group, and AI re-evaluating their goals and shifting based on a critical issue that was raised after 9/11. That is why those two sentences work together perfectly fine. It isn't that hard to see the difference between a group that has political affiliations or loyalties and a group that has to think critically about how to direct its energies, so I was assuming that the sentence would not need to be spoon fed to you. AI has never suggested that Iran or Iraq had anything to do with Sepetember 11th, nor was that the implication of what I said. As for Saudi Arabia, you are seriously suggesting that AI has not been insightful or dug deep into the reason for their human rights violations? Because that, coupled with your other statements (suggesting AI follows in the footsteps of the United States or acts in accordance with American public opinion) would indicate you have a LOT of research to do on this particular NGO before you can offer an analysis of why the are just so gosh darn biased.

To suggest they have loyalties to certain groups because they target Iran "more" shows a lack of insight into their goals as a secular NGO with no ties or loyalties to anyone. They have been critical of Israel, especially after what happened in Gaza and they have been urging the UN to address these crimes (while also urging the UN to work on its lack of efficiency as an international organization) and hold Israel accountable. They had a very detailed and extensive report on Israeli war crimes, and I remember reading their thorough reports on the oppression of shiites in Saudi Arabia. I am not bothered that their energies are currently directed towards Iran nor do I think that is an indication of some sort of ulterior motives, they might feel as though Iran is more ripe to this kind of change than Saudi Arabia given the current events and the willingness of both the government or the Iranian people to take these things into account. This is why the emphasis is on woman's rights rather than the annual despicable, indefensible murder of homosexuals in Iran or Saudi Arabia (although those get covered thoroughly as well). I can think of many countries that get even LESS attention and are more corrupt, but after September 11th AI has obviously directed its energies in a certain direction for legitimate reasons. Are they without flaws? No. Is the world better off because they exist? YES. They do the world more good than many NGO's and are extremely critical and thoughtful about what countries they address and when and why they address them.

(salam), Why are we jumping to conclusions? :huh: Here's the complete story: During the rule of Imam Ali Ibn Abi Taleb (as), it is said that this incident took place... Imam Ali (as) lost his shield in a battle and a jew took it. After knowing that the jew had it, the Ameer Al Mou’meneen asked the jew to give him the shield back (according to another tradition he recognized his shield while it was with the jew). The Jew refused and insisted that this shield belonged to him and not Ali Ibn Abi Taleb. Imam Ali took the case to court. As the Jew and Ali stood in front of Qadhi Shuraih ibn al-Hârith (the judge), the judge said: "Please lay your case O Ameer Al Mou’meneen”. Imam Ali said: “No, do not call me that!” The judge asked:"Why?” Imam Ali said: ”Because in front of the law, we are all equal. No names or statuses are to be mentioned or taken into consideration”. The judge agreed and asked them to lay their cases. After each one finished stating his case, the judge decided that per the Islamic law and due to lack of proof that the shield belonged to Imam Ali, then the Jew owns it. Imam Ali said: “This is a fair verdict, I have no proof and by God this is what the verdict should be. I agree on any verdict that is a just judgment, even if that verdict was against me!”. Overwhelmed by what he saw and heard in front of his eyes… The Jew then recited the testimony of faith and said, "I have never seen or heard of anything like this!” He then continued: ”Here O Prince Of Believers, take your shield, I swear in front of this court that it belongs to you”. Imam Ali turned to him and said: “No my brother, keep it with you. For you are now my brother in Islam (since the Jew just converted to Islam), and that is something far more valuable than anything tangible in this world!”. Being infallible does not mean you do not go by Islamic Law. Infallibility is not something given to every other person walking on the road. It is given to a responsible person, who is worthy of being infallible. Going by your thesis of infallibility, Imam Ali (as) would not have offered his Islamic rites, saying that he was Infallible and he would go to Heaven no matter what he did. (Nauzubillah) Moving on, it is recorded in books that that the very same Qadhi once showed reluctance to judge in the presence of Imam Ali (as), which itself is a sign of the Qadhi's respect and knowledge of the Imam's status. Furthermore, you finished the whole story in one sentence, without really quoting (and I doubt you read the story yourself before) the complete verdict of the judge. He said that the shield belongs to the Jew and not Imam Ali on the basis of lack of proofs. Just because one is infallible, is not reason to break Islamic Law. Judgement is supposed to be given on the basis of evidences and testimonies, and not the character of the people involved in the case. The shield was Imam Ali's (as) the Jew and Imam Ali (as) knew it. But Imam Ali did not have proofs to back his claim, so the shield automatically went to the Jew. This is law, you can't change it. The judge is not saying that the shield does not belong to Imam Ali. Keeping the Islamic law in mind, he has to give the shield to the jew, even if he personally believes that it doesn't belong to him. Imagine a scenario, where a jew stole a shield from the Prophet (pbuh). It was stolen in secret, so there is nobody in the Prophet's (pbuh) defence to testify that the shield belonged to the Prophet (pbuh) (keeping in mind, false testimony is Haram). On the other hand, the jew gathered a lot of other jews who testify against the Prophet (pbuh). What would a Muslim judge do in this condition, knowing that the person without proofs is al-Sadiq? Wouldn't it seem unfair to the rest of the world, if the judge unjustly gave the shield to the Prophet (pbuh) who did not even have a single proof? You conclusion is yours. Finally, if you refresh your memory a bit, you will remember that there were only four companions who testified to the right (and hence the infallibility) of Imam Ali (as) after the Prophet's (pbuh) death. I haven't seen this judge being mentioned as one of these companions. wa (salam), Basim Ali JAfri

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Slam, very nice post.... aur yeh haal sirf Maghrib ka nhi, Mashriq ka muaashara bhi isi rang main rangtaa ja raha he...... I wish humari community main koi in baaton ko assess krny wala bhi ho..... Aurat Mashriq ki ho ya Maghrib ki, usky liye ghar aur job dono ko balance krna waqai mushkil ho jata hay..... Meri apni raaye bhi yehi hay keh Mard aur Aurat dono'n he ZIndagi ki gaa'ri k do pahiye hain, agar woh ghar aur job main balance karain tab he life ki gaa'ri sahi chalti hay.Thanks a lot for very nice post.Duaon main yaad rakhiye ga.Allah Hafiz

I'll start from hadith NO.1 that al-Majlesi has mentioned then we will see if there isn't any! See below. I'm not going to write everything al-Khui has said, but for your information he has a point their proving that Allama Hilli has made a mistake their and has counted two people with same name as one. The one who is dhaif isn't this guy! The only person that didn't care to check this was you! Or else you would have given a shred of proof before blinldy labelling them ALL as ghulats or extremely dhaif. I'll start with first narration: Bihar ul-Anwar, Vol.53, p.39, The chapter on Ra'ja, hadith NO. 1: ÈÍÇÑÇáÃäæÇÑ 53 39 ÈÇÈ 29- ÇáÑÌÚÉ ..... Õ : 39 ÓóÚúÏñ Úóäö ÇÈúäö ÚöíÓóì æó ÇÈúäö ÃóÈöí ÇáúÎóØøóÇÈö Úóäö ÇáúÈóÒóäúØöíøö Úóäú ÍóãøóÇÏö Èúäö ÚõËúãóÇäó Úóäú ãõÍóãøóÏö Èúäö ãõÓúáöãò ÞóÇáó ÓóãöÚúÊõ ÍõãúÑóÇäó Èúäó ÃóÚúíóäó æó ÃóÈóÇ ÇáúÎóØøóÇÈö íõÍóÏøöËóÇäö ÌóãöíÚÇð ÞóÈúáó Ãóäú íõÍúÏöËó ÃóÈõæ ÇáúÎóØøóÇÈö ãóÇ ÃóÍúÏóËó ÃóäøóåõãóÇ ÓóãöÚóÇ ÃóÈóÇ ÚóÈúÏö Çááøóåö Ú íóÞõæáõ Ãóæøóáõ ãóäú ÊóäúÔóÞøõ ÇáúÃóÑúÖõ Úóäúåõ æó íóÑúÌöÚõ Åöáóì ÇáÏøõäúíóÇ ÇáúÍõÓóíúäõ Èúäõ Úóáöíøò Ú æó Åöäøó ÇáÑøóÌúÚóÉó áóíúÓóÊú ÈöÚóÇãøóÉò æó åöíó ÎóÇÕøóÉñ áóÇ íóÑúÌöÚõ ÅöáøóÇ ãóäú ãóÍóÖó ÇáúÅöíãóÇäó ãóÍúÖÇð Ãóæú ãóÍóÖó ÇáÔøöÑúßó ãóÍúÖÇð Translation: said from ibn isa from ibn abilkhatab from al-bazanti from hammad ibn uthman from muhammad ibn muslim he said I heard BOTH hamran ibn a'yon and abi al-khatab saying and this was before abilkhtab said what he said (i.e he went astray) that they heard Imam Sadiq (as) saying: "The first person that will crack the soil and return to this world will be Hussain ibn ALi (as) and Ra'ja' is not for all people, only those who are purely faithful or those who are purely mushrik." Here is the exact same narration from Al-burhan fi tafsir ul-quran, vol. 3, P.507: ÇáÈÑåÇä Ýí ÊÝÓíÑ ÇáÞÑÂä¡ Ìþ3¡ Õ: 507 Úä ÓÚÏ Èä ÚیÓی Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ Èä ÚíÓì æ ãÍãÏ Èä ÇáÍÓíä Èä ÃÈí ÇáÎØÇÈ¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÈí äÕÑ¡ Úä ÍãÇÏ Èä ÚËãÇä¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ãÓáã¡ ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÍãÑÇä Èä ÃÚíä æ ÃÈÇ ÇáÎØÇÈþ íÍÏËÇä ÌãíÚÇ- ÞÈá Ãä íÍÏË ÃÈæ ÇáÎØÇÈ ãÇ ÃÍÏË- ÃäåãÇ ÓãÚÇ ÃÈÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) íÞæá: «Ãæá ãä ÊäÔÞ ÇáÃÑÖ Úäå æ íÑÌÚ Åáì ÇáÏäíÇ¡ ÇáÍÓíä Èä Úáí (ÚáíåãÇ ÇáÓáÇã)¡ æ Åä ÇáÑÌÚÉ áíÓÊ ÈÚÇãÉ æ åí ÎÇÕÉ¡ áÇ íÑÌÚ ÅáÇ ãä ãÍÖ ÇáÅíãÇä ãÍÖÇ Ãæ ãÍÖ ÇáÔÑß ãÍÖÇ». By comparing the chain of narrators from these two narrations it can be easily confirmed that the first four people in the chain are: 1-Sa'd = sa'd ibn Abdullah 2-ibn eisa = ahmad ibn mohammad ibn eisa 3-ibn abi al-khatab = Mohammad ibn Hussein ibn abi al-khattab 4-al-bazanti = ahmad ibn muhhamad ibn abi nasr = ahmad ibn muhhamad ibn abi nasr albazanti These are all trusted (theqah) and famous and can be checked from al-Khui. In fact It is much probable that Al-majlesi didn't mention their whole name because of their fame. See al-Khui for more details. Now four others remain: hamad ibn uthman (Al-nab): Al-najashi says he is trusted (theqah), Sheikh al-toosi says he is trusted and has a high stature (theqah jalil al-ghadr) Muhammad ibn Muslim (ibn riah): He is also very famous. According to najashi he is "of the most trusted people"(min othaq al-nas) Hamran ibn a'yon: He is also greatly trusted. Ibn davood says he is praised and great (mamdoohon moazzam), Al-toosi has mentioned many narrations from Imam Sadiq praising him. Things like: He is their Shia in this worl and the hereafter and He will be in Heaven... Abi al-lkhatab: The only problematic person in the chain of narrators is this guy. Well he can completly be ignored. Why? Because Muhammad ibn Muslim said: "I heard BOTH hamran ibn a'yon and abi al-khatab saying (this narration) and this was before abilkhtab said what he said (i.e he went astray)". So we simply delete him from the list and we still have a narration with a connected chain of trusted narrators reaching Imam Sadiq (as).

(salam), ^ Ok. :) I received no entries for this round. ^_^ Answers for the Abu Talib (as) Round are as follows: 1. Name the two titles Abu Talib (a) bore as leader of Banu Hashim tribe. "Lord of Quraysh" & "Chief of the Valley" 2. How old was the Prophet (pbuh) when Abu Talib (a) took him under his care? Eight (8) 3. Where did Abu Talib (a) take the Prophet (pbuh) when he was 12, and why? Syria, for the purpose of introducing him to trade 4. Abu Talib (a) and Hamza (a) were brothers from the same mother. True or False? False. Abu Talib (a) had just one brother who is famous in history, who was the father of the Prophet (pbuh), Abdullah ibn Abdul Mutallib 5. Name the children of Abu Talib (a). (6 in all) Talib, Jafar, Aqeel, Ali, Jumana (Umm Hani) and Fakhita 6. What was the real name of Abu Talib (a). Imran 7. Name Abu Talib's (a) parents. Abdul Mutallib (Shaibah ibn Hashim) and Fatima bint Amr 8. What reason has Imam Jafar (as) given for Abu Talib (as) being rewarded twice?* Imam Ja'far Sadiq says: "Abu Talib was like the People of the Cave. They had faith in their hearts but pretended to be polytheists. For this reason they will be rewarded twice" - (Usulul Kafi, page 244) 9. Where is Abu Talib (a) buried? (city and cemetery name) Cemetery of Baqi, Madinah, Saudi Arabia 10. Give the date of Abu Talib's (a) demise. 8th, 9th or 10th year of Prophethood (disputed) 11. Who did Abu Talib (a) ask to 'Shut Up!' at the feast of Dhul Asheera? Abu Jahl 12. Name the monk who warned Abu Talib (a) about Prophet (pbuh). Bahira (or Buhayrah) 13. Who died first, Abu Talib (a) or Khadija (as)? How much time gap was there between the deaths of the two? Khadija (a) died first, and three days later, Abu Talib (a) also died. 14. How old was the Prophet (pbuh) when Abu Talib (a) died? Forty-six years (46) (wasalam) Basim Ali Jafri

Yeah People bring Allah between when they have no answer. Your reply is like this:- Q: Where is Pakistan located? A: Grape is very tasty fruit.

salaam Depends if you are a Wahhabified Sunni heavily influenced by petrodollar Islam or you are a Sunni who actually independently and critically evaluates information. salaam

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(salam) lol , or chop the culprit off Peace

(salam) yeh Bro , Just pray two rikaat Salah and then seek Allah's help.. InshAllah , if your intentions are clear , He would defo help you Peace

(salam) Yeh , lets hope for the best mate ... Peace

(salam) Kaisa kia shaadi ?.. mujha bhi kerna hai shaadi .. mera nokri lag gaya hai .. or mera degree complete hogaya hai ... I want to get married now... but its hard to find a decent girl :S Peace

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