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Homosexuality is a sin punishable by death in Islamic Law. We have 0 tolerance towards homosexual behavior in Islam. Promoting Gay Marriage is an invitation to spread filth and fasad through society (more so than is already there). I suggest the two other posters in this thread examine their beliefs more carefully.

Because men and women are not the same. The woman submits herself to her husband, the husband however does not submit to his wife. By her having had no relations with anyone but him is like a further cementing of this. The virginity will likely be gone very quickly, but the fact that she has given herself to him, and only him, will remain. (Expecting to possibly burn a few of those reputation points on the above statement...)

zist ki talkh haqiqat ko nibhana hai mujhe job se aa k abhi khana pakana hai mujhe merey sartaj se baasi nahii khaya jata garm roti bhi isi waqt pakana hai mujhe mujhko bacho'n ko lana hai sitter k ghar se saaf suthra inhe nehla k banana hai mujhe baap k unko to tv se hii fursat kab hai khana khilwa k phir homework karwana hai mujhe tarbiat unki karoo'n ye bhi tau hai farz mera kalma sun'na hai sipara bhi parhana hai mujhe loria'n de k sulaoo'n ye kaha'n unke naseeb unko bistar pe akeley hii litana hai mujhe phir safaie mai karoongi mai karoongi dusting landri karna hai aur mop lagana hai mujhe istri mai na karoongi tau karega phir kaun? istri ghar ki hoon iss ghar ko sajana hai mujhe roz k kaam mujhe khud hii chukane hongey aaye week end tau sauda bhi tau lana hai mujhe hai faqat kasur mera ye k mai aik biwi hoo'n aur shohar ka bhi harr naaz utthana hai mujhe raat aadhi hui aur kaam merey baqi hain aur subha utth k abhi job pe jana hai mujhe janey kab samjhengey ye unn ko bataoo'n kaisey aa k Maghrib mai bhi Mashriq ko nibhana hai mujhe

Well,guys i guess we should really stop worrying about our country as we've got some mentally retarded freaks, who're debating and expressing their concerns on our issues, while doing such a crazy stuff. I wonder,Wat's gonna be his next video ?:mad::mad:

Brother NoorFatima has posted a lot of stuff on this topic. People who are looking for more proof or narratives should search it out cause its all there. For Umar to even make a threat like this towards the house of Ahlulbayt shows the level of respect he held for the Prophet (Saww) himself. I dont understand why Sunni are pretending like this is some fairy tale. Umar is known to be hot tempered and he is known to have hit his own Sister. Jahilliyah or not the man is known to raise his hands towards female.

I don't see what's wrong in having had sex before a certain marriage? Having sex can also be done in a halal way without being permanently married y'know? There's nothing wrong in that. But if you mean a man who's been dangling around partying for a time, then I totally understand you and you have every right to be that way. I know I would. But still, just pointing out, a brotha can change and deeply regret what he has done in the past y'know? Peace

If it is done with the intention of removing ugliness, and not with the intention of attracting males attention or done in a way where it is very eye catching then it is fine. I paraphrased the fatwas. :)

I do think you've brought up some interesting points of discussion here. What is the definition of a 'liberal society'? I think thats a question that liberal countries themselves seem to battle. So maybe the more important question is what is the Islamic take on a liberal society. I think there is a thread elsewhere on shiachat that is debating a similar topic but under different conditions for discussion: why can't we be religious and secular? The key Aristotelian expression I kept bringing up in my previous posts was that a just liberal society is one where people are completely free to explore their own paths so long as doing so does not impede on other people's freedoms. European societies, have, in my opinion, had the most time to evolve politically and therefore are closest to the ideal liberal society. Another question would be: is there such a thing as being too free? Maybe, though governments should attempt to be as free as possible while maintaining justice. I do not think gay rights is going too far in this respect. Its not like their freedoms will harm other people. My life is the same whether gay marriage is allowed or not. I think your concern related to this topic is, how do we know if homosexuality will impede on the lives of other people? I am not sure what you mean when you say "teaching about homosexuality" in schools...like as a science topic? Because in all the schools that I went to, homosexuality was pretty accepted in the school system - we learned about gay activists, and the whole scientific theory about it in chemistry class. These things were just passing topics, and were taught only to express tolerance for gay people. We learn about Civil rights movements and Women's Suffrage movements in school as well. Gay rights has the justification to be another topic in the book in that regard. What I am trying to express is tolerance of other people, and not the need to impose our beliefs on people who have rejected them. Yeah, Sharia law dictates they should all die - but so long as we're not taking that "duty" into our hands we might as well find a way to live with them. Your next point was very interesting, about the Catholic Church having problems of gay couples adopting. But I would also argue that there are non-religious heterosexual parents who would bring their child up in the same way (that is, to accept gay people). There are also religious gay people - I personally know of gay Muslims (now don't go telling me they don't exist - these people pray, fast, read the Quran...but are gay). On the contrary, abusive couples and pedophiles are also allowed to adopt. Adoption is a personal decision, and every household has a different understanding of how to bring up their child. Homosexual couples who adopt will also have their way of bringing up children, and I do not think it should be so scrutinized - its not like they are any less intelligent or any less capable of having a family. Most people accept the religion and culture they are born into - how is that liberating? As human beings we have to explore the world around us, make decisions and choices for ourselves and find values to accept. You cannot possibly think that just accepting the religion you're born into is "liberating". What is liberating is exploring different sides, different realms of the world, learning tolerance so you can find values you are capable of accepting. What makes you say that we are "enslaved" into foreign doctrines? All ideologies are some how related with each other. Islamic philosophy is inspired by western philosophy (Plato and Aristotle in particular). I'm sorry but Muslims all the time complain about their rights in a liberal society, and suddenly we have a group of people who have even less rights than we do and we cannot find it within ourselves to sympathize? That makes us just as intolerant and just as bad as the western governments we complain about. I am not advocating becoming gay, I am not advocating gay people converting us to their homosexual ways at all... I am advocating tolerance to other kinds of people. Did I expect backlash? Well I just expected a more tolerant community. And America is hardly liberal by my standards :P

All the unmarried (including me) have so much advice :P. i agree, the above situation is not a pretty picture However, once you have committed yourself to marriage and to children – you need to do all you can to look for repairs when it leaks. The problem is that it needs to be a joint effort or it doesnt work. I don’t know if the OP’s husband is aware of the damage he is causing. He may be thinking that this is harmless fun for him and is in denial as to the extent he has succumbed to this outside relationship and the real cost to his family. As you described, he is not the man she may have once thought he was; he not only is immature and weak, he does not want this to end (would have cancelled or blocked email as you say) and is unwilling to discuss this with her. She has learned a lot about her husband through this and probably is no longer looking at him with the same status and respect and trust. I don’t know if it is possible to regain that once it is lost. It would seem, at first reaction that the easiest route is to put this behind her and just move on. Maybe not. For many women, leaving the husband is not always an open and shut option. They may not have the family backing, education, means to earn a living, nor financial independence. The wife needs to figure out what is the better situation for her – staying so she can raise her children with minimal financial stress and accepting his separate life – or - leaving but living in a very difficult and desperate situation with possibly many difficulties. Difficult choice to make... Many things need to be put into place before marriage, such as completed education and a financial portfolio – even if it starts as a modest one. Life can get complicated after you are married. I think the best thing for her to do is to keep (get?) herself strong, back away from the situation and think. She needs to make sure her decisions are well thought out and not just emotional reaction.

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''failure is when you don't transform your fall into a prostration''

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Salam Fahim. Barakallahu feek, thank you very much. Very useful sheet for any sister to read and get inspiration from. Salam Zareen. Oh, absolutely . As I mentioned right in the beginning, I'm not requiring anything in a man that I can't put on the table myself. I wouldn't be requiring a man who's stable if I wasn't stable myself. I wouldn't be requiring a man who has no relationship and sexual baggage if I had a load of it myself...that would definitely be very hypocritical and wrong. Hehe, my "list" can always be added to! I welcome any amazing qualities that I might not have thought about before myself. So it's not that I know I want this and this and that, and close my eyes to eveything else. Not at all. I just require certain things; things that I will not compromise with - not even for other amazing qualities. For instance, I'm not going to accept a non-virgin man just because he's better looking than the average man. I have never really prioritized physical appearance that highly before but who knows...maybe some man could make me do it! But I'd still need for him to be a virgin . I'm not looking to get married as soon as possible. Time is not the issue, the man is. So no, I wouldn't settle with being half-content when I can be fully content. I have trust in Allah, and I'm thinking that it's impossible that I should be the only person in the world who values virginity, and can wait with certain things until married. I refuse to believe it.

I understand bro, that's why I didn't refute anything you posted, anyhow given your intentions its all cool. I think that is another discussion all together although and interesting, even atheists would question if we are ready for a totally free world which say hypothetically leads to a world with no religion . Even though misinterpretation of religion has been the cause of so much bloodshed, religion gives so many around the world a sense of belonging and identity even if their outlook is based on a narrow minded radical interpretation of their holy texts. A perfectly liberal, free world possibly completely void of religion is an extreme frightful scenario for a lot of atheists for example since it could totally dissemble this sense of belonging religions have helped create and propel individualism onto a forefront most lack the capacity to deal with on a personal level.

First, I'm so sorry to hear that you are in this situation. It must be very frustrating and heartbreak... this type of situation can definitely can have a huge impact on your self-esteem and self-worth. Second, do NOT email the other woman. All that would do is give her the satisfaction that she has successfully diverted your husband's attention away from you. If she is really interested in him, this is exactly the kind of power she wants! Ignoring her is the best way. Plus, she's not the one to blame for your relationship issues - your husband is. He is the one who is continuing to allow her to interact with him in an inappropriate way. If they are just friends, he should be firm and clear about the boundaries, and reinforce them. Since he is not reinforcing the 'friend' boundaries, clearly he is ok with the way she is acting, and it sounds like he is even reciprocating it. Third, I do not recommend just packing up and leaving him suddenly, without warning. Communication is very important, and is it the most fair way of handling any relationship issue. You need to have a discussion with him. Tell him that his behavior is inappropriate for any married couple, and even more so for a Muslim man (married or unmarried!). Not only does the inappropriate behavior with the other woman have to stop, but the relationship with her must be cut as well. If he does not do this, you WILL leave (not only for your sake, but for your children's sake too, as they need to have a good, practicing role model for a father). Make sure knows what the consequences are, and that you are serious about them. You don't need to yell or be upset or have an angry tone with him. Just calmly sit down and make everything clear. Fourth, you need to have a clear plan in place IF he does continue to contact that woman. Make sure you know where you will go, who can help you move out, who will support you and your children temporarily (like family members or something), etc. When considering all this, you should also start looking for jobs in that area so you will have an idea of what is available and how best to prepare for interviews if you need to find a job quickly. Fifth, you need to decide whether you will leave permanently, or if you will be open to coming back IF he promises to change and fulfill his obligations to the family. Don't count on him being open to changing, but make sure you've thought about that in case he does start asking you to come back and promising to change, etc. What will you say, how will you react, will you come back immediately, or will you make him spend time proving his sincerity to you, etc. Finally, is there anyone close to him that might be able to talk with him (before it gets to the point of you leaving)? Like a brother, a family member, close friend, etc? Sometimes having someone else who is not emotionally involved sit down and talk with them can help them open their eyes and see the reality of their actions. If not, is there an imam or sheikh or someone who might be able to help?

yek na shud do shud

^ What else would you suggest?

You missed the point entirely, this sort of reaction is not unexpected of course. I also mentioned I do condemn homosexuality as a muslim but that is not the point here. Islam asks of muslims to forbid evil and encourage good... yes we all know this and wholeheartedly believe in it, in fact most religions and basic principles of morality lead you in the same direction, what is your point? You should address the discussion at hand.

(bismillah) Imam Ali (as) once said that there will come a time when people will encourage evil and forbid good. In case you are truly ignorant, amr bil ma3ruf and nahi 3an almunkar (enjoining good and forbidding evil) are part of Furu3 al-Din of the Jafari madhhab. The Quran says: ßõäÊõãۡ ÎóíۡÑó ÃõãøóÉò ÃõÎۡÑöÌóÊۡ áöáäøóÇÓö ÊóÃۡãõÑõæäó ÈöٱáۡãóÚۡÑõæÝö æóÊóäۡåóæۡäó Úóäö ٱáۡãõäڪóÑö æóÊõÄۡãöäõæäó Èöٱááøóåöۗ æóáóæۡ ÁóÇãóäó Ãóåۡáõ ٱáۡڪöÊóÜٰÈö áóßóÇäó ÎóíۡÑð۬Ç áøóåõãۚ ãøöäۡåõãõ ٱáۡãõÄۡãöäõæäó æóÃóڪۡËóÑõåõãõ ٱáۡÝóÜٰÓöÞõæäó You are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. You enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and you believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are transgressors. (Surat Al-Imran: 110)

CANADA IS AWESOME DUDE, muslims here are free to practice their religion to an extent not even possible in most muslim countries, STOP HATING and recognize. TORONTO is a perfect example of a truly multicultural dynamic with heaps of tolerance, acceptance and goodwill.

Undercover's stance and ethics reminds me somewhat of the Kharijis. They were very holier then though.

(salam) Money can't buy happiness , but its a damn good down payment Peace

'Undercover brother' your posts always resoundingly fail to impress me. Everytime I read your posts I think you are an undercover Wahhabi or a Malang Wannabe. Look at the treaty that The Holy Prophet (pbuhahp) drew up with the citizens of Medina (that included the Jews)

Salam, Some of your requirements are unimportant to having a good married life and will eliminate some men unneccessarily (so they should be disregarded). Things to cross off the list For a women to require that a man have no previous experience with women will eliminate many men who would otherwise be good "marriage material", because to have "baggage" and have experience are two different issues (I agree they should not have "baggage"). Spontaneous, funny and interesting are a "moving target", and your perception of whether a person possesses these qualities changes over time and with changing circumstances ( and noone posses these qualties all the time, and it would be ridiculous if they did). "Loyal" is fine, as long as you are aware of the difference in the meaning of the term for a husband vs. a wife in Islam. If you are going to be looking for a man who will agree (in writing in the marriage contract) to not marry any other women while you are married to eachother then this is permitted in Islam, however, again you eliminate many good candidates unnecessarily. Things to keep on the list His Iman (qualify of his faith) is the NUMBER ONE thing you should look at. If his faith is good, your marriage will be a happy one. If he has good faith then he will be both intelligent and wise. Financially stable is also important, athough remember that whether the man is poor or rich when you marry him that can (and usually does) change and sometimes very quickly. The important thing is that the man has a good and workable plan for supporting his family, is not lazy and is not engaged in any haram business. Loving and kind are also very important, but these qualities are only found in those with strong faith.

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I understand that there is an insistence by many men who most definitely desire to have a wife who has only been with them. I dont understand why the reaction if a woman just happens to want a husband who has only been with her. She is aware she is limiting her pool of possiblities somewhat, but is accepting of that,. It is her choice. And there are men who plan only to be with their wife... her choice wouldnt affect the men who dont plan to only be with their permanent wife.

Once upon a time. There was a rich merchant who had four (4) wives. He loved the 4th wife the most and adorned her with rich robes and treated her to delicacies. He took great care of her and gave her nothing but the best. He also loved the 3rd wife very much. He's very proud of her beauty and always wanted to show off her to his friends. However, the merchant is always in great fear that she might run away with some other men. He too, loved his 2nd wife. She is a very considerate person, always patient and in fact is the merchant's confidante. Whenever the merchant faced some problems, he always turned to his 2nd wife and she would always help him out and tide him through difficult times. Now, the merchant's 1st wife is a very loyal partner and has made great contributions in maintaining his wealth and business as well as taking care of the household. However, the merchant did not love the first wife and although she loved him deeply, he hardly took notice of her. One day, the merchant fell ill. Before long, he knew that he was going to die soon. He thought of his luxurious life and told himself, 'Now I have 4 wives with me. But when I die, I'll be alone. How lonely I'll be!' Thus, he asked the 4th wife, 'I loved you most, endowed you with the finest clothing and showered great care over you. Now that I'm dying, will you follow me and keep me company?' 'No way!' replied the 4th wife and she walked away without another word. The answer cut like a sharp knife right into the merchant's heart. The sad merchant then asked the 3rd wife, 'I have loved you so much for all my life. Now that I'm dying, will you follow me and keep me company?' 'No!' replied the 3rd wife. 'Life is so good over here! I'm going to remarry when you die!' The merchant's heart sank and turned cold. He then asked the 2nd wife, 'I always turned to you for help and you've always helped me out. Now I need your help again. When I die, will you follow me and keep me company?' 'I'm sorry, I can't help you out this time!' replied the 2nd wife. 'At the very most, I can only send you to your grave.' The answer came like a bolt of thunder and the merchant was devastated. Then a voice called out: 'I'll leave with you. I'll follow you no matter where you go.' The merchant looked up and there was his first wife. She was so skinny, almost like she suffered from malnutrition. Greatly grieved, the merchant said, 'I should have taken much better care of you while I could have!' Actually, we all have 4 wives in our lives. The 4th wife is our body. No matter how much time and effort we lavish in making it look good, it'll leave us when we die. Our 3rd wife is our possessions, status and wealth. When we die, they all go to others. The 2nd wife is our family and friends. No matter how close they had been there for us when we're alive, the furthest they can stay by us is up to the grave. The 1st wife is in fact our soul, often neglected in our pursuit of material wealth and sensual pleasure. Guess what? It is actually the only thing that follows us wherever we go. Perhaps it's a good idea to cultivate and strengthen it now rather than to wait until we're on our deathbed to lament. if u like it , plz give +

Ab na poochoon gi mein khoey hoye khwaaboon ka pata Woh agar aaye to kuch bhi na bataane aaye

Not quite. The serious, intellectual opposition to war--especially as portrayed in this video clip--has always been there. In comparison to what the United States and Britain did in between the two Gulf Wars, this war is a blessing! Refer to Tariq Ali's Clash of Fundamentalisms. And since I have broached upon the first Gulf War, the work of Jean Baudrillard is extremely provoking. And as far as support for war amongst the masses is concerned, it's all about PR... The Americans think they defeated the USSR and are now out to liberate and democratize the world. A vast majority of Pakistanis believe that they've successfully thwarted attempts by India to devour them and do blame India for the 1971 debacle. Many Iranians refuse to recognize the fact that Ayatollah Khomeini was forced the sign a ceasefire on the very same terms in 1988 that were offered to him earlier in 1983. Canadians think they've a history of being peacekeapers ^_^ Is that an obviously subtle reference to me?

codswallop,Wat was off-topic?Could ya please elaborate?

Smoking weed actually helps concentration - my salaah is less robotic and more meaningful when i am high. But then, maybe i am just lucky because it has that effect on me. I know other people who just get hungry and act stupid when they are under the influence of tht stuff, and then some people use it for medical purposes.Allah has blessed us with this natural medicine, so i do think it is wrong for people to say that it is completely haraam regardless of how much, how often, and why it is being smoked.So i think you gotta use your common sense, u know the effect it has on you...so only you can decide if it is haraam for you and for the reasons that you will be using it for. :)

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Hum na hote to kissi aur ke charche hote Khalqat-e-shehr to kehne ko fasaane maange

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salam, hamain maloom hai kay Farsi aap ki zabaan hai, jab hi tu nahi bataya. hansi thori udhwani thee!! bas shouq hi hai, aAta jata kuch nahi.. Tashakkuran khuharam shoma bisyaar meherbaan ast. ye aAp ki nazar, ÑÇÓÊی ÇیŸ ˜À Ïã ãÀÑæ æÝÇÿ Êæ ÈÀ Ïá ÈÇÀã ÂãیÎÊÀ ãÇääÏ ÑæÇŸ ÈÀ ÈÏä ÇÓÊ

Yes we can! I think the majority - perhaps not a big majority – do want a secular state in Iran now. Courtesy of the excesses of the current regime, there is a majority in favour of a secular government. And this is not the same as saying they don't want to be Muslims. The recent killing and injuring of innocent people in the streets of Iran is heartbreaking. As Muslims, we must denounce what has been a permanent shortcoming in Iran’s political culture and that is the use of violence to suppress freedom of speech and thought. Islam is connected to life, and is not indifferent to society and people. In fact, without respect for human beings, there is no Islam.

Salaam Alaikum, I just realized that I had never put my story up here for others to see. It is available on your tube and here is the link: Revert Youtube Story The following is an article I wrote for Islamic Insights (great website by the way) I was Roman Catholic. I was an altar boy in high school. I sang in the choir. I participated in church-related plays. My mother was the choir master, and my father played the guitar. We spent hours at the church either for religious education purposes or to practice our ministry. I attended and led a variety of Catholic youth events, and eventually I was confirmed in the faith in 1993 (my high school graduation). I knew the faith and the Catholic religion. I was content, or so I thought. I was content because I didn't know any other way. It was just familiar, and I was merely complacent. Catholicism was just the natural course of things. It was the same way for my parents as it was for their parents. As a youth, my world was very small and simple. I did as my parents did, and life moved accordingly. In my senior year of high school, I began to look at varying colleges to see what would be the best fit for me. I had numerous choices, but I opted for the college that appeared to be the most different from the current hometown experience. I elected to attend George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. Fairfax is a very diverse county in Northern Virginia. It was close to Washington, DC, and appeared to me that I would have an opportunity to absorb more culture than I had ever encountered before. In the first semester of my freshman year, I decided to take a Middle Eastern studies class. That was really my first exposure to Islam. I was studying a part of the world all together unfamiliar to me and learning about civilizations and individuals that I had no reference for. It was really at this point where I started hearing the terms Islam and Muslim. I also was introduced to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny) for the first time. The class was filled with interesting discussion and my interest was piqued. I started to engage my peers in the classroom and ask questions. What did it mean to be Muslim? Who is Allah? How is your faith different from mine? What I got in return from these questions was a perspective that I never knew existed. I saw how Muslims embraced God into their everyday lives. God wasn't just on Sundays. God was a central part of life. In watching my brothers at George Mason University, I received the answers to these same questions every day. Every day, five times a day, each time they offered prayers, my friends were showing me a dedication that I never knew. Each time a friend put off playing basketball to make wudhu and pray, I saw his devotion. I had taken my faith for granted. It was given to me. I inherited it. I was shocked and appalled. I was shocked and appalled, because I did not have this level of commitment to my faith. What I was hearing and witnessing was unparalleled at the time. My Muslim friends were not just going to church on Sunday. They were committed to Allah every day. I felt like I was missing out on something special. Why was I not privy to this relationship with God? At the end of my freshman year, I came home to find out that my mother and father were getting a divorce. It is impossible for me to relay my feelings at the time. It was inconceivable. The family I had known for so long was breaking apart at the seams. It was earth shattering and rocked my belief in the Almighty and the Catholic Church. I felt let down and demoralized. I stopped attending church services and cut myself off from all religious affiliation or activity. I no longer prayed. I simply ceased my relationship with God. In 1998, I worked at First Virginia Bank in Centreville, Virginia. I went to school during the day and worked the drive-through at the bank in the early evenings. At this particular branch, there were two Muslim sisters from Afghanistan. It was the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, and these sisters were fasting from sun up to sun down. I was once again in awe of their dedication to their faith. As a Catholic, you give up ice cream or soda for a month, but nobody I knew was willing to give up food and water from sunrise to sunset! It was an incredible testimony to their love of Allah. They would often times bring me food because I had nothing at the time. I was fasting because I had little money and hardly any food. One of the sisters saw I was interested in Islam and gave me the name of the resident scholar at Manassas Mosque, Shaikh Abu Nahidyan. I contacted Sheikh Nahidyan by phone, and we set up a time when we could meet face-to-face. We spent a lot of time discussing the fundamentals. We discussed what was going on in the news. We also drank a lot of tea! He nurtured my faith without pressuring me. He let me sit in on meetings and prayer. I found him to be inspirational by his knowledge and his kind demeanor. I met him once a week, and my time with him was a reprieve from my otherwise hectic world. Sheikh Nahidyan was going to be the catalyst to my reversion. He was no more than himself, but his generosity with his time and knowledge meant the world to me. However, at the time, I was living in squalor. I was staying in a house that was used by migrant workers who moved up and down the East Coast. The house did not have proper plumbing, heating, or cooling. It was dangerous, and I had to leave. I left Virginia for Texas in December of 1999. I felt Islam was the right path, but I failed to follow through. I felt unworthy of the title "Muslim". In 2001, I married Marsela. We were the best of friends, and we relied on each other immensely. We found strength and resolve in each other. We loved each other completely and expected to spend the rest of our lives together. Yet shortly after our marriage, my wife was in a lot of pain. We went to the doctor, and after a battery of tests, they said she had uterine cancer. It was devastating news. We attempted a multitude of treatment options, but in the end, those treatments failed. We ran the risk of having the cancer metastasize if she did not opt for surgery to remove her uterus. It was a difficult decision but one that had to be made. In 2003, shortly after surgery, Marsela died of a pulmonary embolism that traveled from her legs to her lungs. It was devastating and heartbreaking. The grief was overbearing. I felt that Allah brought us together only to tear us apart. It was at this point that I had a one-way relationship with Allah. He was watching over me, but I wanted nothing to do with Him. I felt betrayed, and the depression of the event was taking its toll. I kept my smile bright upon outward appearance, but inwardly I felt like I was fading away. A year of depression subdued me. I struggled to get up in the mornings and go to work, but my routine was the only thing holding me together. Then life took another turn. I came in contact with a most wonderful person. That person was to eventually be my present wife. I feel like I met Stacie out of divine intervention. I felt as though Allah was reaching out to me. She knew what it was like to hurt, and she knew I was hurting. She gave me rekindled spirit and a renewed vigor for life. Now, that didn't just happen at the snap of her fingers. It was a gradual process. Allah saved me because He willed it and he brought somebody in my life to show me that He cared. He did not abandon me. Even though I recognized Allah's intervention, I still did not feel spiritually fulfilled. Stacie was a converted Roman Catholic. We tried going to church, and it was such an empty feeling. I did not leave feeling inspired or that the Holy Spirit had touched me. I simply did not believe in what the Church was saying anymore. There was a lack of spirituality there. How can you profess something you simply don't believe? It cannot be done. So we didn't venture to church anymore. We remained devoid of that spiritual fulfillment. Then one day in the middle of February 2009, we began to talk about that empty feeling again, and my wife (who is Catholic) turned to me and said, "You should go to the mosque." I was in shock. I felt like she was reading my mind and for her to have said that at that very moment was just another sign from Allah. I contacted the mosque that evening in earnest. I wanted to start the process as soon as possible. I wanted to let the world know in seconds what it took me seemingly forever to figure out. I would have to wait. It was late in the evening and I could not call. No one would be there. I went to the 'Ask the Aalim' link on the Islamic Ahlul Bayt Association's (Austin) website, and a few days later I got the reply that the scholar was not in the area and would not be available for a couple of weeks. I was deflated. I felt I needed to push harder. I needed to talk to somebody. I needed to make my Shahadah, or I was going to burst at the seams. I needed to speak to someone. I needed to talk to a brother about Islam. I needed to feel something spiritual. I was tired of feeling nothing at all. I emailed again. A day passed, and the Shaikh gave me the name of a brother from the center, and we started corresponding via email. Eventually the emails lead to phone calls, and from there we decided to meet. There was excitement and apprehension. I was finally putting myself out there and taking the necessary steps to find a working relationship with Allah. I was ending a period of my life that was a spiritual null and hoping to find my relationship with God. I met with two brothers from the mosque at a restaurant, and we talked about where I had come from and my story. They were trying to gauge what my interest level was in relation to Islam. I did have questions, but they were moot. I just wanted to tell them. I had made the Shahadah in my head countless times in the days preceding our meeting, but I wanted someone else to hear it. I wanted to make it well known that I was Muslim, a servant to Allah. I told them that day I was Muslim and asked for their help. That day we created a plan. I would learn in stages. The object, one of the brothers said, was not to take too much on at once. He felt I should learn in stages and steps. This was hard, and at times I did push too hard and felt like it was too much. But for each step I went back, I took another two forward. We would continue to meet every week for a couple of months so that I could ask questions and they could gauge progress. Today, I am very proud to call these individuals my brothers and my friends. They have been instrumental to my development as a Muslim, and I met them only through the grace of Allah. It has been seven months now since I made my Shahadah. I feel the connection between myself and my Creator growing each day. Each day my faith increases. The things that happened in my past have led me to appreciate my present. I am indeed blessed. I am in the perfect position to praise Allah for all that He has done for me. At each stage of my journey, a brother or a sister reached out to me. They gave me a glimpse into their lives. They gave me their time and attention. They performed the ultimate Da'wah by simply being good Muslims in practicing their faith openly and honestly. It was through these interactions and the guidance of Allah that I am able to write this article today, as a servant, as a friend, and as a Muslim. Assalam Alaikum!

There are two-bit movie producers around who denigrate Islam (e.g. Geert Wilders). But the co. ultimately behind 2012 is Sony, and they do a lot of business in Muslim countries. So it's reasonable IMHO if Sony takes those audiences' sensitivities into account.

Now, this is so Rude ! I have number of Gay & Lesbian friends, you can even say about 60% of of my friends belong to this community. And they are lovely people. It depends on you sweet, how you maintain yourself in such companies. Nothing wrong to have such friends, but you need to be cautious, that you don't go with the flow. :)

Hmmmm. Doesn't sound pretty. I just can't get my hands off food regardless of the many cups of coffee I drink. So kinda explains why it doesn't work on me. :dry:

Pakistani army frees hostages after militant attack Six soldiers die in gun battle as terrorists strike for third time in a week Military helicopters fly over the entrance to Pakistan's army headquarters in Rawalpindi. Photograph: Faisal Mahmood/Reuters Militants wearing military uniform attacked the Pakistani army's headquarters yesterday, killing six soldiers and taking hostages after a 40-minute gun battle. Agencies reported that 22 were freed late last night. The gunmen drove in a white van with military licence plates to a main gate of the tightly guarded compound in the garrison city of Rawalpindi shortly before noon. They where challenged by soldiers before opening fire with assault rifles and throwing a grenade. "There was fierce firing then there was a blast," said Khan Bahadur, a shuttle van driver who was standing outside the gate of the compound. "Soldiers were running here and there. The firing continued for about a half-hour. There was smoke everywhere. Then there was a break, and then firing again." Four of the gunmen were killed along with the six soldiers, including a brigadier and a lieutenant-colonel who were passing through the gate. The army said operations inside the building were continuing. A military spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas, said: "Eight to 10 terrorists were involved in this attack. Four have been killed while six of our security personnel were martyred." He told state television that special forces had surrounded the building and added: "Appropriate action will be taken." Abbas said the building had no connection to any of the country's intelligence agencies and no senior military or intelligence officials were among those being held. "We are trying to finish [the siege] at the earliest,clear the area of terrorists and restore complete control." P The brazen attack on one of the most secure areas of the country in the middle of the day, and the taking of hostages, shows a new level of audacity from the militants. It is the third major militant strike in in a week and was carried out as the army prepares a major offensive against the militants in their northwestern stronghold of South Waziristan on the Afghan border. Pakistani media said that the Taliban had claimed responsibility for the attack, and the interior minister, Rehman Malik, said the assaults had strengthened the government's resolve to launch the offensive. "We have been left no other option except to go ahead to face them," he told Dawn Television. Militants regularly attack army bases. They bombed a checkpoint outside an army compound in the gun battle that followed a car bombing that killed 49people in the northwestern city of Peshawar on Friday. Another base was attacked after the bombing of a United Nations aid agency in Islamabad last Monday in which five died. The man who attacked the UN was also wearing a security forces' uniform and was granted entry to the compound after asking to use the bathroom. "What happened in Peshawar, Islamabad and today, all roads lead to South Waziristan,"said Malik. "The TTP [Taliban Movement of Pakistan] is behind all of these attacks, and the government has no option but to launch an offensive." Earlier this year militants pushed to within 60 miles of Islamabad, raising fears for nuclear-armed Pakistan's stability. An exasperated US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said the government appeared to be "abdicating" to the militants. America needs Pakistani help against militants crossing into Afghanistan to fight US-led forces there. In late April, security forces launched an offensive in the Swat Valley, 80 miles north-west of Islamabad, largely clearing the Taliban from the region. The militants suffered another major blow on 5 August when their overall leader, Baitullah Mehsud, was killed in a missile attack by a US drone aircraft in South Waziristan.The US and India have also called for action against Afghan Taliban factions on the border and anti-Indian militant groups based in Pakistan's Punjab province. The North West Frontier Province information minister, Iftikhar Hussain, called for the elimination of militant bases in Punjab, telling reporters that, even if an offensive was successful in South Waziristan, militants would get support from Punjab. The government ordered the army to go on the offensive in South Waziristan in June and security forces have been launching air and artillery strikes while moving troops into surrounding areas,blockading the region and trying to split off factions. The army has declined to say when it will send in ground forces. source( www.guardian.co.uk) http://www.guardian....k-army-hostages Salaams to all those Pakistani soldiers who embraced martyrdom in GHQ's sad incident. Another security lapse.Wat are these security agencies upto?Terrorists have come to our neck.Threatening the most sensitive areas of Pakistan.Why we aren't dealing with them strictly,they have no ethics and are brutally killing our country men so Why are we supposed to behave gently?

Chief Justice of Pakistan has nothing to do with this thread.Stick to the topic.

have a look at Ur bold letters again.Wat i can get from the above is that there was no resistance at all and it was an easy access for the terrorists.

(salam) Bomb aftermath at UN base in Pakistani capital A suicide bomber penetrated a highly fortified UN office in Islamabad this morning, killing five staff in an explosion that triggered a citywide security alert. The UN swiftly announced the temporary closure of its offices in Pakistan The head of the UN in Pakistan, Fikret Akcura, condemned the attack as a "horrendous act of terrorism" that was "particularly deplorable" given the UN's work in feeding internally displaced people. "There is no possible justification for this shocking crime against humanitarian workers here only to help the people of Pakistan," he said. There was no claim of responsibility but immediate suspicions fell on the Taliban, which has attacked the capital several times. Police said the attacker, thought to be aged between 22 and 25, blew himself up between the lobby and the finance department. Witnesses described hearing a large explosion then finding their colleagues lying in a pool of blood on the floor. The attack coincided with the visit to Islamabad of the British home secretary, Alan Johnson, and the defence secretary, Bob Ainsworth, who were not affected and did not apprear to have been targets. Johnson said the purpose of the visit was to "build on the strong co-operation between our governments; whether it is countering extremism or the trade in drugs that funds it." The interior minister, Rehman Malik, said that the suicide attacker was disguised as a Frontier Corps paramilitary soldier. He warned of further attacks in other Pakistani cities. following the blast. Among the dead were two Pakistani women and one Iraqi. All worked for the World Food Programme (WFP)."We will take action against them as we did in Swat and Malakand," he said. "I have asked the security services to be very alert.(hilarious,Wat a joke ) The WFP office is located in one of Islamabad's most highly secured neighborhoods. President Asif Ali Zardari's private residence is a few hundred meters away, while another UN office is across the street. Visitors to the WFP office normally pass through a barricade and metal scanners but there were no signs of a forced entry. The compound is protected by a three-story-high wall of Hes-co barriers – fabric-lined mesh containers filled with sand – making it one of the most conspicuously guarded buildings in the capital. The police chief, Binyamin Khan, said he was investigating reports that the attacker jumped the wall from the balcony of an adjoining house, which belongs to a former Pakistani intelligence chief. He said the bomb was a small one, containing 5-7kg of explosives. At least five people were injured, two seriously, the WFP said. The attack underscores the ongoing capability of Pakistan's Taliban militants despite the death of their leader, Baitullah Mehsud, in a US drone strike in August. Yesterday the group's self-declared successor, Hakimullah Mehsud, appeared before reporters in South Waziristan, vowing to avenge the former leader's death with strikes on both Pakistan and the US. The WFP is involved in distributing free food to people displaced by fighting between the army and the Taliban in Swat and across North-West Frontier province. The US has carried out more than 70 drone attacks in the tribal belt along the Afghan border over the past year. The most prominent recent victim was Qari Tahir Yuldashev, the feared commander of thousands of Uzbek militants hiding in North and South Waziristan. He was killed in a drone strike last month. The US has caused a furor in Pakistan by suggesting it may extend the drone operations, which are controlled by its Central Intelligence Agency, to targets in western Balochistan. Although parts of the province are as lawless as the tribal belt, most Pakistanis consider it "mainland" Pakistan( source: guardian.co.uk ) I dunno Wat to feel? May be because I've become so numb but at the end of it, like everyone else - I'd speak about it. People would have long discussions/arguments about the incident; and its going to fade away like every other attack. we r being attacked from the air by foreign forces, and from within by our very own - the loss is ours in both cases. I was always an optimist, I always thought it would get better and one day we will overcome it. I myself believed that Pakistan could be able to get over any sort of tragedy given the kind of society we have. But now, I'm feeling it's been too much, there's no going back. All we Pakistanis can do is talk about it, say 'something needs to be done', but cant get our backsides out and actually do something. Secretly we all wish that when the next bomb goes off, its not near us. Like this one - we would talk about the next one too, if we are not blown apart. and the process will carry on until one day our dear 'ally' decides that Pakistan needs foreign military to fix the problem. I see that day nearby. (wasalam)

It can be an old news for Pakis living in Pakistan as they r used to such kinda news but not for me as i live abroad so much more sensitive to Wat happens in ma country. Anyways, thanks for Ur reply,bro

(bismillah) (salam) Sisers,it's pathetic to know the exact number of pig-headed "so called brothers" jumping into this forum.Despite of the fact that it is sisters forum.What brings them out here,their curiosity to know each and every thing :squeez: because they are as obstinate as a mule :angel: .Mods, what you people are doing out there?There is no privacy at all.In that case how can anybody post some thing as "Brothers" just gather on this"SWEET-CANDY'' like flies.It's time to take strict actions otherwise it is quite possible that sisters would stop visiting this forum. (wasalam)

(wasalam) Well brother, if a woman dresses modestly, wears no makeup, and does not do anything suggestive... and she still is beautiful? That is natural beauty. And if a woman is doing everything she can do hide her beauty, and men can still not control themselves... then the responsibility is with us and not with them.