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Homosexuality is a sin punishable by death in Islamic Law. We have 0 tolerance towards homosexual behavior in Islam. Promoting Gay Marriage is an invitation to spread filth and fasad through society (more so than is already there). I suggest the two other posters in this thread examine their beliefs more carefully.

Because men and women are not the same. The woman submits herself to her husband, the husband however does not submit to his wife. By her having had no relations with anyone but him is like a further cementing of this. The virginity will likely be gone very quickly, but the fact that she has given herself to him, and only him, will remain. (Expecting to possibly burn a few of those reputation points on the above statement...)

zist ki talkh haqiqat ko nibhana hai mujhe job se aa k abhi khana pakana hai mujhe merey sartaj se baasi nahii khaya jata garm roti bhi isi waqt pakana hai mujhe mujhko bacho'n ko lana hai sitter k ghar se saaf suthra inhe nehla k banana hai mujhe baap k unko to tv se hii fursat kab hai khana khilwa k phir homework karwana hai mujhe tarbiat unki karoo'n ye bhi tau hai farz mera kalma sun'na hai sipara bhi parhana hai mujhe loria'n de k sulaoo'n ye kaha'n unke naseeb unko bistar pe akeley hii litana hai mujhe phir safaie mai karoongi mai karoongi dusting landri karna hai aur mop lagana hai mujhe istri mai na karoongi tau karega phir kaun? istri ghar ki hoon iss ghar ko sajana hai mujhe roz k kaam mujhe khud hii chukane hongey aaye week end tau sauda bhi tau lana hai mujhe hai faqat kasur mera ye k mai aik biwi hoo'n aur shohar ka bhi harr naaz utthana hai mujhe raat aadhi hui aur kaam merey baqi hain aur subha utth k abhi job pe jana hai mujhe janey kab samjhengey ye unn ko bataoo'n kaisey aa k Maghrib mai bhi Mashriq ko nibhana hai mujhe

It crashed down on her. Wood, fire, the iron chain-lock at all. Color swam before her eyes. The hazy world grew faint. The stench of the burning became faraway. In truth, she was the one who was almost gone. A sharp pain brought her back to the world that was blackening out. A young ray of Nur well-wrapped within her own Nur was flying back unto its source with Allah. Muhsin. The world of pain became alive again. Something hot was crushing against her… the burning door… “Abal Hasan,” her weak cry went unheard by even the stampeding beasts heading towards her lord and husband, whom she wanted to protect. Mushin… Ali! My Muhsin… The pain overwhelmed. “YA Allah!” Muhammad cried out in awful pain. He was in no earthly form, and yet he was feeling death again, the burning door was hurting against him too badly. They were killing him, those monsters. As they killed a part of him, Fatimah al-Zahra, so they murdered the whole of him. Allah’s rage knew no bounds. For sure, Qiyamat would come now! But Abul Hasan bowed his head. He wanted the Allah’s Deen to be acted out. He let the vicious beasts take him away. Yes, the wielder of the Zulfiqar, allowed himself to be taken away, while his children watched, while az-Zahra stood pressed against the door. His embodiment of perfect patience stayed Allah’s wrath. He wanted Allah’s will be done. Allah’s rage against the dying of the light was such that He would will the world to end, the story to rollercoast forward, and end… yet the might lord Ali, appeased Allah, showed him He was much too much in love with Allah and his script to let it end. Ali’s loving praise of Allah was too precious for Him to will the Qiyamat. Tolerance acquired elemental dimension, patience learnt meaning, sorrow turned to tears, wrath melted into love, anger turned to pain, Muhammad to Fatimah, Hasan to Zaynab, Ali to Husayn. And the world did not end then. No, it continued long, painful years afterwards too. It did not end as Ali crossed the doorway and the broken door. It did not end at Ali’s wet eyes when they wept blood watching his precious daughters clasp their mother, the Best Prophet’s beloved daughter. It did not end as Fatimah the resplendent, unable to get up from the ground unaided, wept bitterly at her loss of the Nur of Muhsin, and the arrest by beasts of her keeper after the Prophet. If the world didn’t end then, nor at Karbala, how can it ever end now? Can there be greater cruelty than that wielded against my sublime lady and her sublime sons? Oh thoughtless mortals ever blind to fate, realise the awful truth! The cruelty being meted out to my wondrous Lord Mahdi exceeds all bounds, that the end of the world should come in his time, and not in Husayn’s. My Lord has not even 313 true friends, what an ungrateful creation is this! My Lord has not his avengers yet, my Lord bears pain, because only when an Infallible bears pain is the pain classified as cruelty. For everyone else gets mercy more than the deservce. You must stop. Stop hurting my Lord Mahdi so much that Allah says Now the time has come. They have done the unbearable, and I can not bear it any longer. My Lord Mahdi bears it still. It is painful but true. His pain kills me, his joy awaits me, my life awaits him, my lord Mahdi.

Well,guys i guess we should really stop worrying about our country as we've got some mentally retarded freaks, who're debating and expressing their concerns on our issues, while doing such a crazy stuff. I wonder,Wat's gonna be his next video ?:mad::mad:

I don't see what's wrong in having had sex before a certain marriage? Having sex can also be done in a halal way without being permanently married y'know? There's nothing wrong in that. But if you mean a man who's been dangling around partying for a time, then I totally understand you and you have every right to be that way. I know I would. But still, just pointing out, a brotha can change and deeply regret what he has done in the past y'know? Peace

If it is done with the intention of removing ugliness, and not with the intention of attracting males attention or done in a way where it is very eye catching then it is fine. I paraphrased the fatwas. :)

Hold-on.Wat kinda trash you're talking about?Just look at Ur way of addressing a girl,sleaze.Wat's Ur soul purpose of telling everyone that you're so tempting,charming and bla,bla,bla?This is pretty un-Islamic.This thread has nothing to do with a women's maverick beauty.This forum is visited by many brothers so why are ya telling them about Ur potential appeal?This is deemed to be a pretty serious issue so why are ya arguing contumaciously? Who are ya to award any-one with such a contumelious title? Do ya know Wat Maidenliness is all about? If you're a female than she's not Ur babe,she's Ur sis.Ya does sound like a lesbian or may be you're pretending to be a girl. Anyways,whoever you're,ya seriously need to work on Ur mode of articulation.

I do think you've brought up some interesting points of discussion here. What is the definition of a 'liberal society'? I think thats a question that liberal countries themselves seem to battle. So maybe the more important question is what is the Islamic take on a liberal society. I think there is a thread elsewhere on shiachat that is debating a similar topic but under different conditions for discussion: why can't we be religious and secular? The key Aristotelian expression I kept bringing up in my previous posts was that a just liberal society is one where people are completely free to explore their own paths so long as doing so does not impede on other people's freedoms. European societies, have, in my opinion, had the most time to evolve politically and therefore are closest to the ideal liberal society. Another question would be: is there such a thing as being too free? Maybe, though governments should attempt to be as free as possible while maintaining justice. I do not think gay rights is going too far in this respect. Its not like their freedoms will harm other people. My life is the same whether gay marriage is allowed or not. I think your concern related to this topic is, how do we know if homosexuality will impede on the lives of other people? I am not sure what you mean when you say "teaching about homosexuality" in schools...like as a science topic? Because in all the schools that I went to, homosexuality was pretty accepted in the school system - we learned about gay activists, and the whole scientific theory about it in chemistry class. These things were just passing topics, and were taught only to express tolerance for gay people. We learn about Civil rights movements and Women's Suffrage movements in school as well. Gay rights has the justification to be another topic in the book in that regard. What I am trying to express is tolerance of other people, and not the need to impose our beliefs on people who have rejected them. Yeah, Sharia law dictates they should all die - but so long as we're not taking that "duty" into our hands we might as well find a way to live with them. Your next point was very interesting, about the Catholic Church having problems of gay couples adopting. But I would also argue that there are non-religious heterosexual parents who would bring their child up in the same way (that is, to accept gay people). There are also religious gay people - I personally know of gay Muslims (now don't go telling me they don't exist - these people pray, fast, read the Quran...but are gay). On the contrary, abusive couples and pedophiles are also allowed to adopt. Adoption is a personal decision, and every household has a different understanding of how to bring up their child. Homosexual couples who adopt will also have their way of bringing up children, and I do not think it should be so scrutinized - its not like they are any less intelligent or any less capable of having a family. Most people accept the religion and culture they are born into - how is that liberating? As human beings we have to explore the world around us, make decisions and choices for ourselves and find values to accept. You cannot possibly think that just accepting the religion you're born into is "liberating". What is liberating is exploring different sides, different realms of the world, learning tolerance so you can find values you are capable of accepting. What makes you say that we are "enslaved" into foreign doctrines? All ideologies are some how related with each other. Islamic philosophy is inspired by western philosophy (Plato and Aristotle in particular). I'm sorry but Muslims all the time complain about their rights in a liberal society, and suddenly we have a group of people who have even less rights than we do and we cannot find it within ourselves to sympathize? That makes us just as intolerant and just as bad as the western governments we complain about. I am not advocating becoming gay, I am not advocating gay people converting us to their homosexual ways at all... I am advocating tolerance to other kinds of people. Did I expect backlash? Well I just expected a more tolerant community. And America is hardly liberal by my standards :P

All the unmarried (including me) have so much advice :P. i agree, the above situation is not a pretty picture However, once you have committed yourself to marriage and to children – you need to do all you can to look for repairs when it leaks. The problem is that it needs to be a joint effort or it doesnt work. I don’t know if the OP’s husband is aware of the damage he is causing. He may be thinking that this is harmless fun for him and is in denial as to the extent he has succumbed to this outside relationship and the real cost to his family. As you described, he is not the man she may have once thought he was; he not only is immature and weak, he does not want this to end (would have cancelled or blocked email as you say) and is unwilling to discuss this with her. She has learned a lot about her husband through this and probably is no longer looking at him with the same status and respect and trust. I don’t know if it is possible to regain that once it is lost. It would seem, at first reaction that the easiest route is to put this behind her and just move on. Maybe not. For many women, leaving the husband is not always an open and shut option. They may not have the family backing, education, means to earn a living, nor financial independence. The wife needs to figure out what is the better situation for her – staying so she can raise her children with minimal financial stress and accepting his separate life – or - leaving but living in a very difficult and desperate situation with possibly many difficulties. Difficult choice to make... Many things need to be put into place before marriage, such as completed education and a financial portfolio – even if it starts as a modest one. Life can get complicated after you are married. I think the best thing for her to do is to keep (get?) herself strong, back away from the situation and think. She needs to make sure her decisions are well thought out and not just emotional reaction.

Salam Fahim. Barakallahu feek, thank you very much. Very useful sheet for any sister to read and get inspiration from. Salam Zareen. Oh, absolutely . As I mentioned right in the beginning, I'm not requiring anything in a man that I can't put on the table myself. I wouldn't be requiring a man who's stable if I wasn't stable myself. I wouldn't be requiring a man who has no relationship and sexual baggage if I had a load of it myself...that would definitely be very hypocritical and wrong. Hehe, my "list" can always be added to! I welcome any amazing qualities that I might not have thought about before myself. So it's not that I know I want this and this and that, and close my eyes to eveything else. Not at all. I just require certain things; things that I will not compromise with - not even for other amazing qualities. For instance, I'm not going to accept a non-virgin man just because he's better looking than the average man. I have never really prioritized physical appearance that highly before but who knows...maybe some man could make me do it! But I'd still need for him to be a virgin . I'm not looking to get married as soon as possible. Time is not the issue, the man is. So no, I wouldn't settle with being half-content when I can be fully content. I have trust in Allah, and I'm thinking that it's impossible that I should be the only person in the world who values virginity, and can wait with certain things until married. I refuse to believe it.

Wow read the freaking thread moron. In a secular society (which is what the case is here) the whole point is to separate faith from politics, how does that equate to decorating your faith with western ideas? No one is trying to push them together. Are you forgetting how we got here? We ARE able to fly the flag of islam in all its pure glory only due to such legislations being passed in the first place. Yeah she is fighting to allow same sex marriages to take place legally, but in an indirect way (I should say direct), she is also fighting for your sorry behind to be able to practice your beliefs without being discriminated. Don't you see what this creates? Perhaps down the road the legal permissibility of polygamy should all parties mutually consent to it? I wouldn't bet on that occurring, but you could use every single argument she put forth to push forward your case as well. I bet you would put forth the same arguments lmao.

Yeah, very nice put, I appreciate your effort but honestly did you read the responses here? What you posted has very little to do with the discussion at hand.

Gay marriage is totally prohibited in Islam as well as in all the divine religions. Gay marriage is an atrocious and obscene act which belongs to unsound nature. Islam teaches that believers should neither do the obscene acts nor in any way indulge in their propagation. Allah says, "Those who love (to see) obscenity published broadcast among the Believers will have a grievous Penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: Allah knows, and you know not." (An-Nur: 19) In the very beginning, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that this act is an ugly sin which Allah forbids in all religions, even in the most primitive ones. It is against the ordinances of Allah and against the law of nature. I wonder how in this age of advanced knowledge, science, technology, we allow such things to take place in our human society, how someone allows or gives a legal sanction to such a widespread act that poses a threat to the whole human race and destroys our fabric of society like cancer. Emphatically, Islam forbids homosexuality and lesbianism and regard them as a violation of the commands of Allah. In both the Old and the New Testaments, all Prophets of God forbid such evil activities and punish severely those who practice them. Allah tells us in the Qur’an that He created everything in pairs. Referring to this, Allah Almighty says, “And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect” (Az-Zariyat: 49). For sure, the pairs referred to in the above verse are of different kinds, not of the same kind. Marriage is universally known to be between a man and a woman, not between a man and a man or between a woman and a woman. Marriage in Islam, as in all divine religions, does not mean sexual enjoyment only but also the establishment of a family on hygienic and safe foundations. Its so sorry to hear about the enactment of such a law that is given to a few people who stand in a marginal place in our society to present a phenomenon. I feel that Allah will never let such an act go without punishment. We have an example of the people of Lut who were deeply involved in such immoral acts and were destroyed by Allah. I, personally, feel that this is one of the deadly germs that are injected in the vein of modern civilization, which some of the westerners feel proud of. Human rights should not be extended to include human destruction or threats to our life on this planet. It is hoped that the legislators who enacted such a law will think twice about it and consider its consequences on our human race and to try to repeal this law and put things right. The rule goes that opposites attract and that Allah the Almighty created man and woman to propagate the human species. For one to be sexually attracted to someone of the same sex is a deviation from this rule. This is why Allah says in the Holy Qur’an in reference to the People of Lut (Lot), who were indulging in homosexual acts at the time, “ Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!” (26: 165-166). Allah thus considers such doings to be a transgression. Elsewhere in the Qur’an, Allah describes homosexuality as ignorance: “Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!” (27: 55). Yet elsewhere we read, “For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.” (7:81). “And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!” (7: 84). “He said: "O my Lord! help Thou me against people who do mischief!"” (29: 30). The People of Lut in the Qur’an are thus depicted with all kinds of corruption and sin: transgression, ignorance, sin and crime, and mischief. Again, describing the People of Lut, Allah says, “Verily, by thy life (O Prophet), in their wild intoxication, they wander in distraction, to and fro.” (15: 72). Their actions are described as a wild intoxication, which can be, by no means, an explanation of something one is naturally born with As for the claims of some that homosexuality is a normal disposition in some people, This sin was not described before the People of Lut. The Qur’an says, “And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you.” (29: 28). The testimony of Allah cites that the People of Lut were the first people to contrive this vice. The world had been free of such a grave sin since the beginning of time. Their prophet (Lut) was sent to warn them of the consequences of their sinful behavior,[i WONDER WHAT PEOPLE LIKE BONAFIDE HUSTLER AND MEHWISH WOULD HAVE SAID TO THE PROPHET LUT, LET THEM HAVE THEIR RIGHTS ? Hah] and the result was severe punishment to purify the world from them, “When Our Decree issued, We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay, spread, layer on layer,- Marked as from thy Lord: Nor are they ever far from those who do wrong!” (11: 82, 83). All divine messages spoke of the People of Lut and denounced their ill-doings. The West, however, wishes to turn homosexuality into something acceptable by society. Not only that, but laws and regulations are being construed to legalize this sin and many of the issues surrounding it. Personally, I consider a homosexual to be as a drug abuser, one who requires treatment. Does anyone in their right mind consider drug abuse something one is born with? This is not a genetic anomaly, it is something one acquires. It is a disease that needs a cure. “And to Lut, too, We gave Judgment and Knowledge, and We saved him from the town which practised abominations: truly they were a people given to Evil, a rebellious people.” (21: 74) Surely The Lord of Glory, did not say a liberal people......................... Wasallam and may the curse of Allah[sWT] be on the rebellious people.

Ask the ex gf's husband what he thinks of the friendship. Maybe he has some ideas.

You missed the point entirely, this sort of reaction is not unexpected of course. I also mentioned I do condemn homosexuality as a muslim but that is not the point here. Islam asks of muslims to forbid evil and encourage good... yes we all know this and wholeheartedly believe in it, in fact most religions and basic principles of morality lead you in the same direction, what is your point? You should address the discussion at hand.

CANADA IS AWESOME DUDE, muslims here are free to practice their religion to an extent not even possible in most muslim countries, STOP HATING and recognize. TORONTO is a perfect example of a truly multicultural dynamic with heaps of tolerance, acceptance and goodwill.

^^ Don't tell me you look that literally? That is extremely sensitive.

I think you aren't too picky and I agree that a man should have all those qualities except one which, according to me, isn't that important. If you are gonna marry young, then you cannot expect the guy to be in a very good financial position. Most of the times, men get into a good financial position after working for sometime and someone who is just out of uni cannot be expected to have loads of money. Apart from that, I think you are pretty much right on. And I completely agree with you that a girl with no sexual past deserves a man who doesn't have a past either. There are many non-virgins for the men who aren't virgins themselves and they are better suited for each other.

Salam, Some of your requirements are unimportant to having a good married life and will eliminate some men unneccessarily (so they should be disregarded). Things to cross off the list For a women to require that a man have no previous experience with women will eliminate many men who would otherwise be good "marriage material", because to have "baggage" and have experience are two different issues (I agree they should not have "baggage"). Spontaneous, funny and interesting are a "moving target", and your perception of whether a person possesses these qualities changes over time and with changing circumstances ( and noone posses these qualties all the time, and it would be ridiculous if they did). "Loyal" is fine, as long as you are aware of the difference in the meaning of the term for a husband vs. a wife in Islam. If you are going to be looking for a man who will agree (in writing in the marriage contract) to not marry any other women while you are married to eachother then this is permitted in Islam, however, again you eliminate many good candidates unnecessarily. Things to keep on the list His Iman (qualify of his faith) is the NUMBER ONE thing you should look at. If his faith is good, your marriage will be a happy one. If he has good faith then he will be both intelligent and wise. Financially stable is also important, athough remember that whether the man is poor or rich when you marry him that can (and usually does) change and sometimes very quickly. The important thing is that the man has a good and workable plan for supporting his family, is not lazy and is not engaged in any haram business. Loving and kind are also very important, but these qualities are only found in those with strong faith.

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I understand that there is an insistence by many men who most definitely desire to have a wife who has only been with them. I dont understand why the reaction if a woman just happens to want a husband who has only been with her. She is aware she is limiting her pool of possiblities somewhat, but is accepting of that,. It is her choice. And there are men who plan only to be with their wife... her choice wouldnt affect the men who dont plan to only be with their permanent wife.

Let me elaborate this for ya.That's 'coz ya might be taking it as a best comic video ever made.Patriotism deficiency is another factor.Moreover,how could we be so repulsive as we're living in a safe heaven and we do know that we're not gonna be the target of next suicidal attack.So we've developed immunity towards such video clips, as we're Anthropomorphic.

Once upon a time. There was a rich merchant who had four (4) wives. He loved the 4th wife the most and adorned her with rich robes and treated her to delicacies. He took great care of her and gave her nothing but the best. He also loved the 3rd wife very much. He's very proud of her beauty and always wanted to show off her to his friends. However, the merchant is always in great fear that she might run away with some other men. He too, loved his 2nd wife. She is a very considerate person, always patient and in fact is the merchant's confidante. Whenever the merchant faced some problems, he always turned to his 2nd wife and she would always help him out and tide him through difficult times. Now, the merchant's 1st wife is a very loyal partner and has made great contributions in maintaining his wealth and business as well as taking care of the household. However, the merchant did not love the first wife and although she loved him deeply, he hardly took notice of her. One day, the merchant fell ill. Before long, he knew that he was going to die soon. He thought of his luxurious life and told himself, 'Now I have 4 wives with me. But when I die, I'll be alone. How lonely I'll be!' Thus, he asked the 4th wife, 'I loved you most, endowed you with the finest clothing and showered great care over you. Now that I'm dying, will you follow me and keep me company?' 'No way!' replied the 4th wife and she walked away without another word. The answer cut like a sharp knife right into the merchant's heart. The sad merchant then asked the 3rd wife, 'I have loved you so much for all my life. Now that I'm dying, will you follow me and keep me company?' 'No!' replied the 3rd wife. 'Life is so good over here! I'm going to remarry when you die!' The merchant's heart sank and turned cold. He then asked the 2nd wife, 'I always turned to you for help and you've always helped me out. Now I need your help again. When I die, will you follow me and keep me company?' 'I'm sorry, I can't help you out this time!' replied the 2nd wife. 'At the very most, I can only send you to your grave.' The answer came like a bolt of thunder and the merchant was devastated. Then a voice called out: 'I'll leave with you. I'll follow you no matter where you go.' The merchant looked up and there was his first wife. She was so skinny, almost like she suffered from malnutrition. Greatly grieved, the merchant said, 'I should have taken much better care of you while I could have!' Actually, we all have 4 wives in our lives. The 4th wife is our body. No matter how much time and effort we lavish in making it look good, it'll leave us when we die. Our 3rd wife is our possessions, status and wealth. When we die, they all go to others. The 2nd wife is our family and friends. No matter how close they had been there for us when we're alive, the furthest they can stay by us is up to the grave. The 1st wife is in fact our soul, often neglected in our pursuit of material wealth and sensual pleasure. Guess what? It is actually the only thing that follows us wherever we go. Perhaps it's a good idea to cultivate and strengthen it now rather than to wait until we're on our deathbed to lament. if u like it , plz give +

Ab na poochoon gi mein khoey hoye khwaaboon ka pata Woh agar aaye to kuch bhi na bataane aaye

Not quite. The serious, intellectual opposition to war--especially as portrayed in this video clip--has always been there. In comparison to what the United States and Britain did in between the two Gulf Wars, this war is a blessing! Refer to Tariq Ali's Clash of Fundamentalisms. And since I have broached upon the first Gulf War, the work of Jean Baudrillard is extremely provoking. And as far as support for war amongst the masses is concerned, it's all about PR... The Americans think they defeated the USSR and are now out to liberate and democratize the world. A vast majority of Pakistanis believe that they've successfully thwarted attempts by India to devour them and do blame India for the 1971 debacle. Many Iranians refuse to recognize the fact that Ayatollah Khomeini was forced the sign a ceasefire on the very same terms in 1988 that were offered to him earlier in 1983. Canadians think they've a history of being peacekeapers ^_^ Is that an obviously subtle reference to me?

To Mr.Beloved,i was actually expecting Ur intervention.Keep on targeting my rep.Ya know Wat Ur problem is that whenever i post something,ya just love to poke Ur nose into that post of mine.Ya always come up with some stupid,filthy jokes.That's Wat Ur literary sense is all about.Now please stop aggravating me otherwise I'll make ya pay for Ur intervention.Start a new thread and keep on posting some stupid jokes over there as I'm certainly not amazed at all to find such a non-serious attitude.Let me remind ya that this thread has nothing to do with Ur stupid jokes but as you've already ruined it so take an advice from my side to please stop behaving like a lolly-pop licking kid.Be careful in future.

Smoking weed actually helps concentration - my salaah is less robotic and more meaningful when i am high. But then, maybe i am just lucky because it has that effect on me. I know other people who just get hungry and act stupid when they are under the influence of tht stuff, and then some people use it for medical purposes.Allah has blessed us with this natural medicine, so i do think it is wrong for people to say that it is completely haraam regardless of how much, how often, and why it is being smoked.So i think you gotta use your common sense, u know the effect it has on you...so only you can decide if it is haraam for you and for the reasons that you will be using it for. :)

Killing the daughter of the prophet and stealing the caliphate are stupid things now eh? :) Because people should marry those who are good for their iman, will help raise religious children, and they can grow religiously together. Sunnis and Shias are on completely different wave lengths when it comes to religion, the division between parents will have a huge impact on the children from these marriages, and several other reasons.

ye, I've seen the movie, its not even close to average, [Edited Out] frm beginning to end.. :huh:

Dil ne dunya ke har ik dard ko apna to liya Muzmahil rooh ko andaaz-e-Junoon mil na sakka

salam, hamain maloom hai kay Farsi aap ki zabaan hai, jab hi tu nahi bataya. hansi thori udhwani thee!! bas shouq hi hai, aAta jata kuch nahi.. Tashakkuran khuharam shoma bisyaar meherbaan ast. ye aAp ki nazar, ÑÇÓÊی ÇیŸ ˜À Ïã ãÀÑæ æÝÇÿ Êæ ÈÀ Ïá ÈÇÀã ÂãیÎÊÀ ãÇääÏ ÑæÇŸ ÈÀ ÈÏä ÇÓÊ

WOW DID U JUST NEGATIVE ME??? THAT ALONE IS YOUR PROBLEM. IF I COULD NEGATIVE YOUR FACES, YOUD ALL LOOK LIKE PROFESSIONAL FACE PAINTED CLOWNS

Recite this mantra 600 times before you sleep and you will reap the rewards. Intrinsic not Extrinsic

salam, naai Saba dewaar tak janay ka housla nahi tha!!! :D hum ney kis kaam per laga diya !! aAp tu pehlay hi galay galay hai n es kaam mien. dil ka function rat-tey rat-tey shairee, 'chey khoob ast' khud ko sabhaal, "neem hakeema" sanbhal sanbhal!!! acha, ab agar hum dono jald hi nahi sanbhlay tu kam az kam hamari ye ghazal tu gaai gaai.. aur aAp exam mien chand ashaar likh ker aa gaien tu phir!! apna khayal rekhiye ga ws

bro im still open to suggestions about 2012, but 100% guarantee that planet nibiri, annunaki and elohim are a load of [Edited Out]. not worthbandwidth. zacharias sitchin is a muppet.

There are two-bit movie producers around who denigrate Islam (e.g. Geert Wilders). But the co. ultimately behind 2012 is Sony, and they do a lot of business in Muslim countries. So it's reasonable IMHO if Sony takes those audiences' sensitivities into account.

Now, this is so Rude ! I have number of Gay & Lesbian friends, you can even say about 60% of of my friends belong to this community. And they are lovely people. It depends on you sweet, how you maintain yourself in such companies. Nothing wrong to have such friends, but you need to be cautious, that you don't go with the flow. :)

so you do believe in god. the universe and science is your god (s). Whats the difference between you and other 'god' believers? You just believe in a lesser god than other people who call themselves 'theists'. u will obviously say, i have proof for my gods. no you dont! you just admitted that science is fallible. meaning the whole of science could be very very wrong. In reality you are no different than all the other so called 'theists'. Even they think they have proof for their god. but you and I know they dont have any proof! So really you are not different from them. Just in case If it hasn't already occurred to you, 'god' simply means "an understanding of reality". So, everyone understands reality in different ways. therefore, everyone has their own unique 'god(s)'. But if you carefully examine....it is not possible to have "a unique understanding of reality" if there isnt reality itself (independent of people's understanding of it). this "reality itself" is God. So what we understand about God is our unique god.

Hmmmm. Doesn't sound pretty. I just can't get my hands off food regardless of the many cups of coffee I drink. So kinda explains why it doesn't work on me. :dry:

First of all, define what you mean by 'mentally retarded'. Secondly, is there anything in existence which does not exhibit the attributes or bear the imprint of its Creator?

Pakistani army frees hostages after militant attack Six soldiers die in gun battle as terrorists strike for third time in a week Military helicopters fly over the entrance to Pakistan's army headquarters in Rawalpindi. Photograph: Faisal Mahmood/Reuters Militants wearing military uniform attacked the Pakistani army's headquarters yesterday, killing six soldiers and taking hostages after a 40-minute gun battle. Agencies reported that 22 were freed late last night. The gunmen drove in a white van with military licence plates to a main gate of the tightly guarded compound in the garrison city of Rawalpindi shortly before noon. They where challenged by soldiers before opening fire with assault rifles and throwing a grenade. "There was fierce firing then there was a blast," said Khan Bahadur, a shuttle van driver who was standing outside the gate of the compound. "Soldiers were running here and there. The firing continued for about a half-hour. There was smoke everywhere. Then there was a break, and then firing again." Four of the gunmen were killed along with the six soldiers, including a brigadier and a lieutenant-colonel who were passing through the gate. The army said operations inside the building were continuing. A military spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas, said: "Eight to 10 terrorists were involved in this attack. Four have been killed while six of our security personnel were martyred." He told state television that special forces had surrounded the building and added: "Appropriate action will be taken." Abbas said the building had no connection to any of the country's intelligence agencies and no senior military or intelligence officials were among those being held. "We are trying to finish [the siege] at the earliest,clear the area of terrorists and restore complete control." P The brazen attack on one of the most secure areas of the country in the middle of the day, and the taking of hostages, shows a new level of audacity from the militants. It is the third major militant strike in in a week and was carried out as the army prepares a major offensive against the militants in their northwestern stronghold of South Waziristan on the Afghan border. Pakistani media said that the Taliban had claimed responsibility for the attack, and the interior minister, Rehman Malik, said the assaults had strengthened the government's resolve to launch the offensive. "We have been left no other option except to go ahead to face them," he told Dawn Television. Militants regularly attack army bases. They bombed a checkpoint outside an army compound in the gun battle that followed a car bombing that killed 49people in the northwestern city of Peshawar on Friday. Another base was attacked after the bombing of a United Nations aid agency in Islamabad last Monday in which five died. The man who attacked the UN was also wearing a security forces' uniform and was granted entry to the compound after asking to use the bathroom. "What happened in Peshawar, Islamabad and today, all roads lead to South Waziristan,"said Malik. "The TTP [Taliban Movement of Pakistan] is behind all of these attacks, and the government has no option but to launch an offensive." Earlier this year militants pushed to within 60 miles of Islamabad, raising fears for nuclear-armed Pakistan's stability. An exasperated US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, said the government appeared to be "abdicating" to the militants. America needs Pakistani help against militants crossing into Afghanistan to fight US-led forces there. In late April, security forces launched an offensive in the Swat Valley, 80 miles north-west of Islamabad, largely clearing the Taliban from the region. The militants suffered another major blow on 5 August when their overall leader, Baitullah Mehsud, was killed in a missile attack by a US drone aircraft in South Waziristan.The US and India have also called for action against Afghan Taliban factions on the border and anti-Indian militant groups based in Pakistan's Punjab province. The North West Frontier Province information minister, Iftikhar Hussain, called for the elimination of militant bases in Punjab, telling reporters that, even if an offensive was successful in South Waziristan, militants would get support from Punjab. The government ordered the army to go on the offensive in South Waziristan in June and security forces have been launching air and artillery strikes while moving troops into surrounding areas,blockading the region and trying to split off factions. The army has declined to say when it will send in ground forces. source( www.guardian.co.uk) http://www.guardian....k-army-hostages Salaams to all those Pakistani soldiers who embraced martyrdom in GHQ's sad incident. Another security lapse.Wat are these security agencies upto?Terrorists have come to our neck.Threatening the most sensitive areas of Pakistan.Why we aren't dealing with them strictly,they have no ethics and are brutally killing our country men so Why are we supposed to behave gently?

Chief Justice of Pakistan has nothing to do with this thread.Stick to the topic.

Yup,You're wrong.They were stopped by the security forces but they opened heavy fire and after killing security personnels, they scattered into different directions.They managed to get an easy access after killing security personnels, guarding check posts.At the same time,security lapse is a factor that can't be neglected at all but to say that it was an easy access and there was no resistance at all, isn't right four assailants dressed in camouflage uniform, who were riding a Suzuki van attacked the checkpost No. 1 near Cricket Stadium. Later, they headed towards Checkpost No. 2, where they were again encountered by security forces. (Maj.Gen Athar Abbas) Terrorists in army uniform attempted to get entry at 11:30 AM on Saturday from check-post no 1, said the television channel report. When stopped by security officials, they reached at check post no. 2 and opened fire on security men by taking positions after leaving the vehicle. http://pakistantimes.net/pt/detail.php?newsId=4969

(salam) Bomb aftermath at UN base in Pakistani capital A suicide bomber penetrated a highly fortified UN office in Islamabad this morning, killing five staff in an explosion that triggered a citywide security alert. The UN swiftly announced the temporary closure of its offices in Pakistan The head of the UN in Pakistan, Fikret Akcura, condemned the attack as a "horrendous act of terrorism" that was "particularly deplorable" given the UN's work in feeding internally displaced people. "There is no possible justification for this shocking crime against humanitarian workers here only to help the people of Pakistan," he said. There was no claim of responsibility but immediate suspicions fell on the Taliban, which has attacked the capital several times. Police said the attacker, thought to be aged between 22 and 25, blew himself up between the lobby and the finance department. Witnesses described hearing a large explosion then finding their colleagues lying in a pool of blood on the floor. The attack coincided with the visit to Islamabad of the British home secretary, Alan Johnson, and the defence secretary, Bob Ainsworth, who were not affected and did not apprear to have been targets. Johnson said the purpose of the visit was to "build on the strong co-operation between our governments; whether it is countering extremism or the trade in drugs that funds it." The interior minister, Rehman Malik, said that the suicide attacker was disguised as a Frontier Corps paramilitary soldier. He warned of further attacks in other Pakistani cities. following the blast. Among the dead were two Pakistani women and one Iraqi. All worked for the World Food Programme (WFP)."We will take action against them as we did in Swat and Malakand," he said. "I have asked the security services to be very alert.(hilarious,Wat a joke ) The WFP office is located in one of Islamabad's most highly secured neighborhoods. President Asif Ali Zardari's private residence is a few hundred meters away, while another UN office is across the street. Visitors to the WFP office normally pass through a barricade and metal scanners but there were no signs of a forced entry. The compound is protected by a three-story-high wall of Hes-co barriers – fabric-lined mesh containers filled with sand – making it one of the most conspicuously guarded buildings in the capital. The police chief, Binyamin Khan, said he was investigating reports that the attacker jumped the wall from the balcony of an adjoining house, which belongs to a former Pakistani intelligence chief. He said the bomb was a small one, containing 5-7kg of explosives. At least five people were injured, two seriously, the WFP said. The attack underscores the ongoing capability of Pakistan's Taliban militants despite the death of their leader, Baitullah Mehsud, in a US drone strike in August. Yesterday the group's self-declared successor, Hakimullah Mehsud, appeared before reporters in South Waziristan, vowing to avenge the former leader's death with strikes on both Pakistan and the US. The WFP is involved in distributing free food to people displaced by fighting between the army and the Taliban in Swat and across North-West Frontier province. The US has carried out more than 70 drone attacks in the tribal belt along the Afghan border over the past year. The most prominent recent victim was Qari Tahir Yuldashev, the feared commander of thousands of Uzbek militants hiding in North and South Waziristan. He was killed in a drone strike last month. The US has caused a furor in Pakistan by suggesting it may extend the drone operations, which are controlled by its Central Intelligence Agency, to targets in western Balochistan. Although parts of the province are as lawless as the tribal belt, most Pakistanis consider it "mainland" Pakistan( source: guardian.co.uk ) I dunno Wat to feel? May be because I've become so numb but at the end of it, like everyone else - I'd speak about it. People would have long discussions/arguments about the incident; and its going to fade away like every other attack. we r being attacked from the air by foreign forces, and from within by our very own - the loss is ours in both cases. I was always an optimist, I always thought it would get better and one day we will overcome it. I myself believed that Pakistan could be able to get over any sort of tragedy given the kind of society we have. But now, I'm feeling it's been too much, there's no going back. All we Pakistanis can do is talk about it, say 'something needs to be done', but cant get our backsides out and actually do something. Secretly we all wish that when the next bomb goes off, its not near us. Like this one - we would talk about the next one too, if we are not blown apart. and the process will carry on until one day our dear 'ally' decides that Pakistan needs foreign military to fix the problem. I see that day nearby. (wasalam)

The interesting thing about these results is that the act of rape is mainly linked to the victims's vulnerablity, perceived willingness, and the perpetrators likilhood of being caught and in some cases arousal by violence. None of these studies identified the dress or presentation of the victim to be a factor. Rape is a function of the psychological state of the rapist.

It can be an old news for Pakis living in Pakistan as they r used to such kinda news but not for me as i live abroad so much more sensitive to Wat happens in ma country. Anyways, thanks for Ur reply,bro

Thanks sis. I never knew about this.I was of the view that we can carry on with our fast. I follow Ayatollah Sistani and searched his site but never found this ruling. Thanks a million.

(wasalam) Well brother, if a woman dresses modestly, wears no makeup, and does not do anything suggestive... and she still is beautiful? That is natural beauty. And if a woman is doing everything she can do hide her beauty, and men can still not control themselves... then the responsibility is with us and not with them.