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What is the point of posting this video? theres thousands of morons like this, and on both sides mind you. Waste of time.

Because permanent marriage is the real deal, the idea situation in which two individuals have made the critical decision to stay with each other forever. Men can stray with or without mutah so it depends on the man more than the institution. Mutah just helps irresponsible married men deal with their religious hang ups as they go around carelessly fulfilling their sexual desires at the expense of marital stability, trust, and their childrens best interests. They would have done it anyway. This question is like asking someone why they would rather be married than be a guys serious longtime girlfriend.. cause girls like being the only one.. FOREVER. I have always assumed that in a permanent marriage my husband will a.) be so insanely in love with me that he could never contemplate taking another wife b.) on the off chance that he even thinks about taking another wife (moment of male weakness) the fear I will have systematically instilled in him will dissuade him from making such a foolish decision c.) if both a and b fail, I will personally see to it that he is both broke and miserable *crosses fingers for option a*

The hadiths of the Ahl al-Bayt (as) are clear on this issue. Consider these from al-Kafi: 9546 - 2 - أبوعلي الاشعري، عن محمد بن عبدالجبار، عن صفوان بن يحيى، عن عبدالله بن مسكان، عن يحيى الحلبي، عن عبدالحميد الطائي، عن زرارة بن أعين قال: قلت لابي عبدالله (ع): أتزوج بمرجئة أو حرورية؟ قال: لا، عليك بالبله من النساء، قال زرارة: فقلت: والله ماهي إلا مؤمنة أو كافرة فقال أبوعبدالله (ع): وأين أهل ثنوى الله عزوجل (1) قول الله عزوجل أصدق من قولك: " إلا المستضعفين من الرجال والنساء والولدان لا يستطيعون حيلة ولايهتدون سبيلا ". (2) 2 – Abu `Ali al-Ash`ari from Muhammad b. `Abd al-Jabbar from Safwan b. Yahya from `Abdullah b. Muskan from Yahya al-Halabi from `Abd al-Hamid at-Ta’I from Zurara b. A`yan. He said: I said to Abu `Abdillah (as): Do I marry the Murji’a woman or the Hururiyya woman? He said: No, upon you is the simpletons from the women. Zurara said: So I said: By Allah, she is not but a believer or a kafira. So Abu `Abdillah (as) said: And where are the people of exception of Allah `azza wa jalla? The saying of Allah `azza wa jalla is more truthful than your saying “Save for the weak men, and women, and children, who could not compass any stratagem, and were not guided to a way” (4:98) 9 954 – 5 – محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن علي بن الحكم، عن موسى بن بكر، عن زرارة بن أعين، عن أبي عبدالله (ع) قال: تزوجوا في الشكاك ولا تزوجوهم فإن المرأة تأخذ من أدب زوجها ويقهرها على دينه. 5 – Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from Musa b. Bakr from Zurara b. A`yan from Abu `Abdillah (as). He said: Marry in the doubters and do not marry (your women) to them, for verily the woman takes from the cultures of her husband and he subjugates her upon his religion. 9550 – 6 – أحمد بن محمد، عن ابن فضال، عن علي بن يعقوب، عن مروان بن مسلم، عن الحسين بن موسى الحناط، عن الفضيل بن يسار قال: قلت لابي عبدالله (ع): إن لامر أتي اختا عارفة على رأينا وليس على رأينا بالبصرة إلا قليل فازوجها ممن لايرى رأيها؟ قال: لا ولا نعمة ولا كرامة) إن الله عزوجل يقول: " فلا ترجعو هن إلى الكفار لاهن حل لهم ولا هم يحلون لهن " (1). 6 – Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Ibn Faddal from `Ali b. Ya`qub from Marwan b. Muslim from al-Husayn b. Musa al-Hannat from al-Fudayl b. Yasar. He said: I said to Abu `Abdillah (as): My wife has a sister who is recognizing upon our view, and in Basra there are is only a little who are upon our view, so do I marry her to someone who does not regard upon our view? He said: No, and there is no blessing and no honor. Verily Allah `azza wa jalla says “So do not return them to the kuffar. They (fem.) are not permitted to them (masc.) and they (masc.) are not permitted to them (fem.)” (60:15) 9551 – 7 – علي بن أبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن جمل بن دراج، عن زرارة قال: قلت لابي جعفر (ع) إني أخشى أن لايحل لي أن أتزوج من لم يكن على أمري فقال: مايمنعك من البله من السناء؟ قلت: وما البله؟ قال: هن المستضعفات من اللاتي لا ينصبن ولا يعرفن ما أنتم عليه. 7 - `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Abi `Umayr from Jamil b. Darraj from Zurara. He said: I said to Abu Ja`far (as): Verily I apprehend that it is not allowed for me to marry someone who is not upon my affair. So he said: What prevents you from the simpletons of the women? I said: And what is the simpleton? He said: They are the weak ones who do not have nasb and do not recognize what you are upon. 9555 – 11 – حميد بن زياد، عن الحسن بن محمد، عن غير واحد، عن أبان بن عثمان، عن الفضيل بن يسار قال: سألت أبا عبدالله (ع) عن نكاح الناصب فقال: لا والله مايحل قال فضيل: ثم سألته مرة اخرى فقلت: جعلت فداك ما تقول في نكاحهم؟ قال: والمرأة عارفة؟ قلت: عارفة، قال: إن العارفة لاتوضع إلا عند عارف. 11 – Humayd (?) b. Ziyad from al-Hasan b. Muhammad from more than one from Aban b. `Uthman from al-Fudayl b. Yasar. He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah (as) about marrying the nasib. So he said: No, by Allah, it is not halal. Fudayl said: Then I asked him another time. So I said: May I be made your ransom, what you say regarding their marriage? He said: And the woman is one who knows (`arifa, i.e. a Shi`a)? I said: An `arifa. He said: Verily the `arifa is not put except with an `arif.

See: http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00200.html For ahadith see: http://www.rafed.net/books/hadith/wasael-20/v05.html#43 w/s

Permanent marriage isn't for players and wannabe players who want a dozen women but for normal men who can stick to one woman, it is a good idea. And before someone starts PMSing and telling me I am going to hell, it's okay, save your breath. I got the memo. :lol:

Yeh I dislike the woman too, but this behaviour is unnaceptable. She is still a Muslim woman, and shouldn't be treated like this. Besides, a bunch of long bearded Muslims throwing eggs at her only works for her.

Macisaac, a sad reality is that they have grown to feel uncomfortable with us largely because of the intolerant and insular rantings of folks like you. This is the end consequence of the attitude of "Islam is the truth, everything else be damned, let's call a spade a spade and a dirty kaffir a dirty kaffir and to hell with what they think." If you openly speak of the people that surround you as najis animals, and go out of your way to not reach out to them, eventually they will begin to take offense. It's not rocket science, but simple human nature. We are largely reaping what we ourselves have sown.

Do you agree or disagree with this article, how? Mohammad, a 40-year old Lebanese Shiite who lives in Hezbollah's stronghold in Beirut's southern suburbs, was holding forth on the virtues of resistance, loyalty, and sex. "You could create the most loyal army by providing political power, social services and fulfilling the desires of your men -- namely, sexual ones," he declared. "And Hezbollah has been very successful in this regard," Mohammad continued. It is hard to disagree. Hezbollah liberated South Lebanon from Israeli occupation, expanded the Shiite community's political power within the country, and has provided social services, such as health care and education, to its constituency since the 1980s. Today, it is also working to fulfill the sexual needs of its supporters, though a practice known as mutaa marriage. Mutaa is a form of "temporary marriage" only acceptable within Shiite communities, one that allows couples to have religiously sanctioned sex for a limited period of time, without any commitments, and without the obligatory involvement of religious figures. In conservative Muslim societies known for their strict sense of propriety, mutaa offers an escape clause. The contract is very simple. The woman says: "I marry myself to you for [a specific period of time] and for [a specified dowry]" and the man says: "I accept." The period can range between one hour and a year, and is subject to renewal. A Muslim woman can only marry a Muslim man, but a Muslim man can temporarily marry a Muslim, Christian, or Jewish woman, as long as she is a divorcée or a widow. However, those interviewed for this article confirmed that Hezbollah-the "Party of God"-has allowed the practice to spread to virgins or girls who have never married before, as long as the permission of her guardian (father or paternal grandfather) is obtained. Temporary marriage has long been practiced by Shiites around the world. However, it has recently become more commonplace in Lebanon, notably within Hezbollah strongholds in Beirut's southern suburbs and in southern Lebanon after the 2006 war with Israel, Hezbollah's recent encouragement of this phenomenon highlights the compromises it had been required to make in order to remain the preeminent force among its domestic Shiite constituency. As the party gained strength due to its effectiveness in fighting Israel, it was forced to cope with the reality that many Lebanese Shiites did not share the Iranian-inspired religious beliefs of Hezbollah's leaders. They came to dominate a community that was shaped by the secular leftist trends of the 1970s and 1980s, and the cosmopolitan culture embodied by Beirut. Today, Lebanese Shiites are exposed to pop icons such as sexpot singer Haifa Wehbe, countless Western advertisements and programs, and technological innovations such as online dating. Allowing these Shia to balance their sexual desires with their support for the "Resistance" against the "Zionist entity" is a vital ingredient to Hezbollah's staying power. According to Shiite writer and activist Lokman Slim, Hezbollah party members are not allowed to practice temporary marriage for security reasons, unless assigned by the party to do so. "We should make a clear distinction between Hezbollah as an organization and Hezbollah as it runs the community's culture and social affairs," Slim said. But for everyone else, Hezbollah apparently decided to expand its support for this practice after the 2006 war, to maintain its support base and keep the Shiites in Lebanon under its control. "After the 2006 war, Iranian money came to Lebanon in abundance, and money opened the door to sexual luxury that could not be ignored or controlled," noted Slim. "Therefore, Hezbollah decided it is easier to allow sex under certain religious titles in order to keep the control over the community." The havoc wreaked by the 2006 war and a more difficult domestic political situation also encouraged Hezbollah to shift its position in order to consolidate support. Sheikh Mohammad Ali Hajj, imam of the Imam Ali Mosque in the Sad Bouchrieh district of Beirut, remarked that after 2006, Hezbollah had to strengthen its support among its communities. "They created a military group, The Resistance Saraya, which took in anyone ready to join, religiously and ideologically committed or not," he said. "They had to contain the Shiite community around it with all its aspects, the good and the bad, and found measures to control it, including the temporary marriage," he added. Hezbollah is in charge of enforcing resolution in the event unpleasant scenarios arise, such as pregnancy or disagreements between couples. "It is only a matter of more control rather than being tolerant," Slim explained. There is no doubt that Hezbollah's legitimization of mutaa has created semi-official channels that Lebanese Shiites use to hook up. Hassan, a 30-year old Shiite from Beirut's southern suburbs, is a high school teacher. He graduated from the Lebanese University with a bachelor's degree in mathematics, and considers himself secular but supports the resistance as a political, not a religious, movement. He is enthusiastic about the initiative taken by a number of Hezbollah party members and supporters to act as matchmakers between couples, and sometimes turn their shops, bookstores and workplaces into meeting places for young men and women. "My cousin, a hard-core Hezbollah supporter, finds pleasure in using his mini-market as a hub where both men and women refer to him to hook them up in a temporary marriage. He even has Excel sheets to help him organize and control the contacts, and of course he practices temporary marriage himself," he added with a smile. Nevertheless, Hassan remains very critical of those in the community who use this kind of marriage as a cover for prostitution networks functioning inside the suburbs. "Some made it a trade and Hezbollah usually turns the blind eye to these networks because they do not want the Lebanese Internal Security to interfere in its stronghold." However, once the sex trade got out of control, Hezbollah finally requested the ISF to enter the southern suburbs to help control some of the community's illegal practices, such as traffic, drugs, and prostitution. This month, The ISF began coordinating with Hezbollah and the heads of local municipalities in the southern suburbs under the slogan "Order comes from Faith," initiated by Hezbollah, to control these crimes. There is also no shortage of ways that Shiite men and women make contact to form a temporary marriage; sometimes, the experience ends up bringing them closer to Hezbollah. Ali, for example, is a 26-year old man from southern Lebanon who has "temporarily married" a number of girls in the last two years. "I usually meet them in Hezbollah's public library or the center, where young men and women gather to attend religious and political preaching," he explained. The men and women are put in separate rooms, but he finds a way to communicate. "If I want to approach a girl, I ask her for her number and call her later, but mostly I get approached by girls who directly ask me if I am interested in temporary marriage," Ali said. "Although they are veiled from top to bottom, you can always guess how she looks like from her face and eyes," he added with a wink. With his designer jeans, trendy haircut, and sharp sense of humor, Ali seems to be an unlikely Hezbollah supporter. He has always supported the resistance and what Hezbollah has achieved in this regard; however, in the last couple of years, he has developed a strong support for Hezbollah on issues he was previously critical of, such as its affiliation with Iran, involvement in domestic politics, and its religious rhetoric. Coincidently or not, these developments took place as he was drawn to practice temporary marriage. In his southern village, it is difficult to meet girls and have normal relationships with them, and he acknowledges that getting closer to the party's social network has helped him meet more girls who were open to this kind of marriage. Gradually, Ali stopped drinking alcoholic beverages, took up praying and fasting, and never skipped a Hezbollah's rally or village events, where he also meets potential "wives." However, it is obvious that the slickly dressed Ali never gave up his love of fashion. It is, of course, not only men who take advantage of mutaa. Zahra, a fully veiled 25 year-old Shiite woman who is completing her master's degree in English literature, comes from a family of Hezbollah supporters and party members, and has been a lifelong Hezbollah member herself. She explained that she practices temporary marriage because it is a religious duty. "I take good care of myself, and make sure I look perfect every time I go into a mutaa marriage because I should please my husband, temporary or not," she said. "It is my religious duty to do so. God allowed this kind of marriage for a reason, and I never question God's wishes." Zahra is divorced and believes that Islam has acknowledged sexual desires for both males and females, which is why temporary marriage is permissible. "It is also a religious duty to fulfill your sexual desires," she insisted, noting that temporary marriages with women whose husbands had been killed fighting Israel were especially encouraged. "[T]hose who satisfy widows of martyrs have more reward in heaven," she said. While the practice of mutaa may sound exceedingly strange to those outside of these communities, it is an important outlet for many Lebanese Shiites. As the community is increasingly defined by Hezbollah's conservative ideology and isolated by the increasing sectarian divisions in Lebanon, it is more and more difficult to form relationships with people from different backgrounds. In this sense, mutaa marriage has become a convenient and practical solution. However, it comes with a cost: Hezbollah has increasingly been able to harness the appeal of mutaa to bolster its support within its constituency. And there should be no doubt that Hezbollah's increased control over Lebanese Shiites comes with consequences that are anything but temporary. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/11/25/the_militarization_of_sex?page=0,0&%24Version=0&%24Path=/&%24Domain=.foreignpolicy.com,%20%24Version%3D0

Yes, I believe she should tell her husband (though different situation might warrant different decisions). I don't mean because of virginity or whatever but because it would help her husband (in sha Allah) to know what's hurting the woman he loves. It's a terrible feeling to see someone you care about in pain, not having a clue as to what the reason is and feeling powerless to help it. And of course for her, keeping it bottled up from the person she loves could be agonizing. Left unsaid and such pain kept within can really hurt a marriage. It would also help him to be more careful when it comes to intimate relations. I don't mean abstaining, but just realizing he needs to go easy with her and be very considerate of the trauma she's had associated with what should be otherwise be an enjoyable experience, one that is very important to their marriage.

I will repeat myself: It is rarely ever STRANGE men who commit these acts (its rare for the crime to be random). I volunteered at a battered women shelter before and one of the women was raped by her older brother. Edit: Please stop talking you sound like a blithering imbecile

(bismillah) (salam) Did Fatima Zahra (sa) wear the niqab? I have heard a hadith from somewhere though saying only the round part of her face was shown, so did she just wear the hijab without niqab, or with it? (wasalam)

Bro Abdaal. you are an intelligent man. Can you get away with Zina by claiming it to be Mut'a from God? In this world, who cares with whom I sleep and fornicate? Isn't the purpose to cover yourself for the hereafter?

We certainly don't believe in the Cartesian dualism; we don't believe in two mutually exclusive "substances" which have nothing to do with each other. To the extent that we do indeed believe that there is a spirit, and a body we can be called dualists. But to the extent that we believe that there is a barzakh in-between the spirit (ruh) and the body (jism), which we call the soul (nafs), we can be called nondualists! the soul (nafs) which contains within it, bodily elements and spiritual elements (since its an in-between-ness) starts out initially as a mere body (we all started off unconscious no? we were a drop of semen and we were as good as lifeless) and ends up into something purely spiritual. body = imperfection. spirit = perfection. soul = a transition from imperfection to perfection within a time span. Once our perfection is reached, we are no longer in need of our body. Once our perfection is reached, our soul becomes united and one with the spirit. Our soul is no longer a body once we reach our perfection. This perfection is called "death". By perfection. this does not mean we become infallible saints. :) By perfection, we mean simply that our identities become fixed. Perfection means that we no longer have any chance for "improvement" or "de-provement". By perfection we mean the degree to which we were able to live up to our spirit. So being "one" with or "identical" to the spirit does not necessarily mean being "one" with or "identical" to the spirit as such or the spirit in its utter perfection. To the contrary, to be "identical" or "one" with the spirit, means to be "identical" or "one" with the spirit insofar as we have lived up to it, or insofar as we were able to be in harmony with it. This very harmony or this very living-up-to (or lack thereof) mentioned above is in fact what is known as the "subtle body" (jasad) as opposed to the "dense body" (jism) which we find ourselves with right now. This jasad is who we really are (it is our true identity). This jasad has not only one form, but many forms at once (it is after all a "spiritualized body", or a "perfect" body). It not only has many forms at once but also perceives things much more intensely than the way way we perceive things right now. This is just a general idea of what is involved. This issue is way more complicated than what was just outlined. and although it may have sufficiently answered your initial question, it will probably create more questions. .

life is too damn short for multiple relationships, if you want to live it up, restrict yourself to one at the most.

Besmehi, The event of Ghadir, in its totality, is by far the very cornerstone of true Islam. No wonder, that it has been historically targeted and has been ferociously under attack from all corners, openly and clandestinely. As the holy Koran notes that Allah conferred Abrahim (a.s.) to be Imam (leader) over all mankind, after Abrahim (a.s.) successfully proved himself in devotion through excruciating trials. Abrahim (a.s.) was aware that this can only be found in his progeny, therefore, he sought Allah's confirmation in this by posing the question to this effect. Allah confirmed that it was so, yet with the exclusion of transgressors. In essence, the Imams over all mankind will be exclusively from the progeny of Abrahim (a.s.), although, they posses the special qualification of being pure from all transgressions - large or small, in belief or in conduct, personal or social, against God or against the creation, etc. Imams are therefore, infallible, pure, and of the progeny of Abrahim (a.s.). Ghadir underlines the manifestation of that promise, moreover, it is the very beginning and the dawn of all that the Messenger of Allah Mohammad (s) worked for and sacrificed of himself, in order to materialize. The Messenger of Allah (s), was both Rasul (deliverer of message) and Imam (implementer and leader). Yet, he was the seal of messengers who completed the message at Ghadir. However, leadership continues after him, as there is no mention anywhere - in the Koran or Hadith nor in previous books - that he is the seal of Imams. Ghadir is living proof that pure Imams of the progeny of Abrahim (a.s.) are none but the Messenger of Allah Mohammad (s) and the twelve Imams that the Messenger of Allah (s) announced in detail and openly to all people - over a hundred thousand of them - and required them all to pledge their allegiance to Imam Ali (a.s.). So, Imamat (leadership) is the greatest and the most important tenet of Islam and the most important sunna (tradition) of Rassul Allah (s). Therefore, those who have decapitated the most important tenet and pillar from the body of Islam, they have rendered all the rest of the tenets and traditions useless. Now that we are waiting for the twelfth Imam (a.s.), it should be realized that waiting is nothing but purification and preparation of the soul, the mind, the body, and all conduct, etc. Waiting is therefore, the path toward worthiness, in order to be accepted into the circle of the pure.

Yes, they were two types of fornication and that's what they called them... Look, I didn't make up the language or the culture, that's how it was. "extra stuff"?? So now, paying a mahr, reciting an `aqd, having an `idda, and all the related ahkaam defining the halal from the haram are just "extra" stuff? That's because you apparently can't read Quranic Arabic properly and are following made up tafsirs. Where does it say all relationships done in "secret" are thus forbidden? And what's to prevent a mut`a from being public, or a permanent marriage from being hidden? As to the whole lust and relationship thing, err, didn't you know that in Arabic the word for marriage and sex are the same, i.e. an-nikah? (yes, there are other terms too, but that's one of the most common obviously). Sex is part and parcel of it, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging it's primacy here. Nor is there anything wrong with a _legal_ "relationship" whose primary motivation is sexual. As was mentioned, how about the purchasing of slave girls back then? You could buy one, have sex with her, then she could be sold eventually to someone else. Sure, it may conflict big time with modern values on these things, but from an Islamic legal perspective, it's lawful and this is something neither Sunni nor Shi`i fiqh denies. You can follow "Imam" Asi all you like, but I'll stick with Imam `Ali (as), Imam Sadiq (as) and all the other true Imams (as) who clearly taught to lawfulness of mut`a. Such as?

al-Muhajiroun nuts strike again...

people calling themselves shias arent muslims they're shias people calling themselves sunnis arent muslims they're sunnis there are no more muslims, they all divided themselves for stupid things and they hate eachother for it, not accepting the other group is just a consequence of it

Wackos!They looked like Taliban. :)

i have pretty strong feeling that this is your website, and this is marketing. 1. you started this thread telling us how "frightening" this website - great way to grab attention. 2. When mentioned the website was down, you're the one who told us it's back up. 3. When I made fun of the mosquito ritual, the sentence was deleted from the site- obviously the owner is reading this thread. 4. You're the first person to mention the muwakil update from the site. 5. now you're telling us you bought it. The evidence against you is overwhelming. I challenge you to post the fake ritual you have bought from this site if this site doesn't belong to you. I should add, if anyone reads the guestbook, you'll find people mentioning how much info has been stolen from other sites, of course the owner deletes this from the guestbook. If the owner gets even one idiot to pay the 250, it was worth his/her time to start this website.

Media bells are being rung, yes. But why does the ringing resonate with these people? Europe has a number of right wing crackpots, and usually this sort of sound just goes dead in the air. Local observers were surprised by this, as normally such noise doesn't go anywhere. Why are people responding to this? That's a question you have to ask. I recognize that it is very easy to externally attribute the causes, to pin it on some inherent European bigotry. But this explanation rings hollow to me, and comes off as a copout. You can explain part of it with this, but not nearly all of it. How many here have actually sat down with these people to discuss why they feel afraid?

Source: MIDDLE EAST ONLINE http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/opinion/?id=35869

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I think the relationship between Muslims and non Muslims in Europe absolutely needs repairing and a lot of this is due to our practices. There is a legitimacy in suggesting that we integrate in the community and not react violently when people practice their rights to freedom of speech, even if it is against Islam. My concern is that these fundamental rights are being voted on by a movement that is funded and supported by ignorance. I can't see this concession not opening the door for other concessions that may not be as benign and are still motivated by the same Islamophobes. I understood where you were coming from and I can appreciate your points.. but your response just doesn't cut it for me. If we know this thing is not threatening, if we know it comes from ignorance, if we know it has no place in the law books.. then why are we so passively accepting its legitimacy? The minarets are symbolic of a deeper, profound tension and clash between Islam and Europe.. so where do we draw the lines? We both know that 4 minarets in Switzerland are NOT ruining Swiss culture.. its not like Muslims are trying to integrate them into Sweedish society by putting them on top of court houses and public libraries.. they are on top of mosques like a cross would be on top of a Church. They are sparse and this overreaction has absolutely no place on a ballot. As for calling these people "bigots" I really have no choice in the matter. I can't imagine that they were anything but fundamentalist Christian groups who were selling the idea that Muslim minarets were scary and evil, a threat to Swiss culture :huh: . I don't even accept this as a clash of cultures, but rather a clash of religions where one faith is being singled out because they are in the minority right now. This is outright oppressive and I would be furious and am furious when it happens in the Middle East to Christians or other minorities. The difference is that in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia in particular) they don't pretend that they advocate religious freedom and diversity. What about when they find my hijab scary or a threat to their culture.. should I remove it? Should I comply because noncompliance won't make the relationship between Muslims and non Muslims any smoother? I just can't follow the logic of that. If my country says it has freedom of religion then I don't care what Christian Islamophobes have to say about a minaret.. it stays because it posses no threat except the one inside their paranoid heads.. and that is not my baggage.

Yeah, but you quoted 'loud adhaan' and not 'minaret'. You also went on about microphones. Adhaan is a call for prayer, so the idea there is that it should be heard. However, in a western, non-Islamic country, this would be inconsiderate. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with bid'ah. Anyways, as Mahdaviat pointed out, the issue isn't about this.

Salam subhan Allah...bahot umda sher share kiyaa aapne... wassalam

What a wonderful development, and what a wonderful opportunity. There's little inherently Islamic about minarets; they were introduced as an architectural feature several centuries after Muhammad and in many parts of the world, as Islam spread, the shape and appearance of mosques showed a nice tendency of trying to fit into the architecture of the local area. Swiss Muslims, and Western Muslims in general, must strive for similar feats of architectural synthesis. It sends a powerful and positive subliminal message that Islam is compatible with the people there. It makes the religion more attractive and welcoming without sacrificing anything. Win win. One of the beauties of constraints of form in art is that it drives the artist to be creative in expressing him/herself despite the restrictions.

Lolz. That's quite reassuring.

Well I can believe you were a nurse, but I doubt Maryam was born in a hospital - she would accept nothing less than a waterbirth..the girl loves her water. Still, the only reason I question it is that she may not want people knowing her birthday if she keeps it private on her profile.

I was assistant nurse at the hospital she was born :angel:

Yeah, true, we don't spend so much on cosmetics and clothes and jewelry. Well, aside from nice suits and silver and gold watches as we advance in our careers. But we certainly have our own particular "rubbish purchases," don't we. Women don't tend to drool so much over high end smartphones, laptops, computers, play stations and x-boxes, high performance desktops, 40 inch high def TVs, sports cars, car and home sound systems, etc, etc. But we do, don't we?

It's not completely Macisaac's problem. There could be many different ways to perceive this: 1. He does the translation and he's comfortable with what it says and so clearly are some other people. If this is what the religion says, so be it. 2. You read it and the equality warning signals start flashing red. 3. Kadhim reads it and it's ok, because it only applied to another period in time. 4. Personally the way I read it, is that someone has identified limitations of women, using words that are not politically correct today, but where the overall sentiment may still be valid, but you can't tell without reading more*. Just to reiterate what I said before, you can't dismiss hadiths because they are politically incorrect in today's world. If religion did that there would not be a lot of Shia fiqh left, because so much of it was politically incorrect during Sunni dynastic rule. *Let me explain. I don't know precisely what is meant by 'weakness, feebleness and incapacity', but I'll have a guess. I know someone who used to be the Finance Director of a lower market chain of women's clothing stores. In his assessment in the UK, of the types of stores that would survive on the the high street would be women's clothing stores. Because only they made margins high enough to be able to pay the rents. Now the hadith writer may be using politically incorrect language, but I can assure you the marketer of cosmetics, the shoe brand owner, the clothing retailer all know which segment of the population to sell overpriced rubbish to (repeatedly). But they'll never call their customers feeble-minded. So everyone is happy.

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It would be utterly foolish of someone to assert that islam does not hold males and females in equal esteem. They are absolutely equal in the eyes of Allah. Gender roles can perhaps be debated, but not equality in the overall scheme of things. Men are naturally more suited to perform certain roles, men tend to be physically stronger than females, but this in no way shape or form propels them to a higher status above their female counterparts. A handicapped/weak/fragile man may not be fit for a certain role, but this doesn't make him any less of a man as our small minded judgments would have you believe.

Yes, I am familiar with Usool-al-kafi, which is why you will have to excuse me if I take your haddiths with a grain of salt.. especially since you yourself did not paste the grading (fyst did) and you would have been more than happy to peddle off these haddiths as the absolute truth. I personally would reject a number of the ones that simple do_not_make_sense and are WEAK. Are you saying that Muslim men today should not talk to their wives in confidentiality? Or that they should not seek the advice of their wife? Because that is what the haddiths say. And then you follow that up with a pretty little sentence where you have the audacity to suggest that not adhering to these haddiths will cause the breakdown of families I too believe in honesty to the religion.. not honesty to you.

If you want to talk about delusion or dishonesty, why don't we talk about you getting haddiths off www.google.com/whywomenareevil and pasting them without putting them in context or providing the grading for them. One of the haddiths states that you should not seek advice from women because they are incompetent.. you are suggesting that this is Islam's take on getting advice from women? Or that this is the Islamic viewpoint on the competency of women? You want anyone with two brain cells to take that seriously? Another suggests that a man cannot talk in confidence to a woman.. I don't know many Muslim marriages that could hold true to that haddith. I could go on.. Don't try to paint anyone who takes offense to your literal translations and your inability to take things into context as a feminist who is trying to sully "our religion." You are attempting to create a black and white picture in which the world is running around with immodest, immoral women and spineless men.. or your unique version of Islam. And then taking offense when SoRoUsH unapologetically questions this because she happens to be a thoughtful person Thoughtfulness doesn't seem to fit into the equation.. does it?

Nonsense. We are not beasts. Our nature is body, mind, and spirit. To jump to conclusions about this integrated being based on mere physical differences is pure and willing ignorance.

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وہ کوئی دوست نہیں تھا کہ ٹھہرتا عاصم دنیا تھی اپنے کام سے آگے نکل گئی

What do you mean by "low paid jobs"? Why don't these men have higher paying jobs? Is it because of the economy? Or are they not ambitious in their professional lives? Or is it that they are doing something that isn't all that lucrative (which is perfectly fine)? Is there upward mobility in their jobs so that they may be earning less now, but more later if they stay with the company? I don't mean to sound harsh or judgmental but people should really strive to be the best (or at least better than their current position) in their fields, whatever the field, even if the field itself is low-paying. For example, if they are working under someone, they should strive to become the boss. There is so much that can be done with money-- and I don't mean a bigger house or more clothes. Bibi Khadija's money went toward building the ummah. I really think that if Muslims that had the opportunity to earn more actually did, we as a world would be a better place-- less poverty, a stronger ummah. It doesn't make a man/woman bad or worth any less to be earning less, but I just think that if someone recognizes something about themselves that can be improved, then they should try to improve it. As for students, there certainly are families that would give their daughters to them. People realize that studying is a temporary situation during which money will be tight. This shouldn't deter students from asking for the hands of people's daughters.

دونوں جہان تیری محبت میں ہار کے وہ جا رہا ہے کوئی شبِ غم گزار کے

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And let's also hope that he doesn't say anything completely stupid this time.

In a joint family , A newly wed girl was being welcomed at the husband's home in a traditional manner. She was asked to give a little speech. She addressed as follows: "My dear family members, I thank you for welcoming me in my new home and family", she said "Firstly, with my presence I would not like to create any inconveniences by my being here. I mean that I don't want you all to change your way of life, your routine." "What do you mean my child?" asked her father in law. What I mean is: Those who used to wash dishes must carry on washing them. Those who used to do the laundry must carry on doing it. Those who cooked shouldn't stop on my account. Those who used to clean should clean. As for me, I am here just to control your son!

Ghadir-e-Qum...one of the most important Eids for Shi'as. One couldn't be happier for it was the day our religion was most perfected. But what it very important to note is that although many Hadiths state that this event did take place, (which means they believe that the Prophet (S) did named Imam Ali (salam) his successor), the Sunnis still fail to agree that Imam Ali (salam) should have taken on the caliphate as oppose to Abu Bakr. So either there are differentiating views of Hadiths between the Sunnis, or the Sunnis just don't read their Hadiths :P

speaking of this, my parents were kufar, yet, I came to know and love moula Ali just the same, and follow in truth as do you, so, I want to remind you of the hadith which says that a momin can be born to a kafir and a kafir can be born to a momin. May our life and our death be for our Imam Ali (as) Ya Ali Madad

I hardly talk. :squeez:

Haha! I asked if you had a brain? And i got my answer...you clearly dont. Labelling me as a wahabi. You are ridiculous mate! I am a muslim, follower of Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him. And its his actions that I followed when I said instead of cursing, we should ask Allah to give him guidance. Prophet also prayed to Allah for Abu Jahl to become muslim, who was biggest Kafir! And yeah..dont you dare say I love the enemy of the Prophet and AhlulBait. You dont know the difference between your backside and your face, what will you know about my love for the Prophet and the Ahlulbait.

^ what?! its not the brides responsibility at all to wash, clean, cook or any of those things! if she does it, its only out of her own goodness and compassion and the hubby has to be ever so grateful to her. You ddidn't know that? :o