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In the Name of God بسم الله

Atheism/Other Religions

Discuss atheism, non-Abrahamic faiths (Buddhism, Hinduism, etc), and other religious/spiritual philosophies. 

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    • Who are those two messiahs?  Prophet Jesus (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Imam al Mahdi (عليه السلام).
    • I also countered that a religion in its pure form tends to become diluted as soon as it ventures far from its original point of origin. At that point cultural syncretism takes over. Examples: Arabian Sunnis adopting polytheistic elements from neighbouring East Africans, Indonesian Shias lapsing into indigenous Buddhism, and sundry Sufis worldwide. A religion cannot be fully comprehensible outside its original linguistic context, so translation in many cases may actually obscure the intended and/or original meaning(s). The question, then, is whether the Hidden Imam’s order would necessarily be highly centralised or (relatively) decentralised. Expansion and centralisation of capital has historically tended to strengthen special interests and governments that enact policies to the detriment of religious communities. Technically, technological advancement is superficially neutral, but in practice transitioning from, say, the horse and buggy (or camel) to the train, automobile, and airplane involves a spiritual change as well. During the Middle Ages long-distance travel by land involved hardship, but today one can travel worldwide with relative ease or even convenience. There is less sacrifice involved, or the nature of the sacrifice has changed, and is thus no longer as lofty as it was. For the same reason traditional societies preferred certain forms of exercise and/or sport over others, i.e., archery, horsemanship, swimming, sprinting, and wrestling instead of, say, boxing or football. An activity and the means by which it is effected, even technological, has a “soul” of its own. What seems clear is that a high concentration of resources in the hands of a monopolistic government-corporate (financial) nexus has not benefitted religion historically. One must also examine the main forces that lie behind globalisation, free trade, open borders, and so on. The Masonic Order is the primary facilitator of a centralised one-world government, acting through neoliberal agencies such as the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank, the UN, NATO, economic blocs such as the EU, and so on. The Masons want to abolish national borders and install a postmodernist, technocratic dictatorship, subsuming national, religious, tribal, and all other distinctions. Iran, among other countries, is fighting this very conspiracy that relies on endless resources to undermine sovereign states and individuals (heads of family). Iran’s statist, pro-national, pro-religious response is to erect a wall between itself and the external—especially Western—world, in order to protect itself from imperialistic cultural and economic forces. Globalisation is clearly destructive in that it deconstructs entire societies and erects an artificial order or simulacrum in its place. Aside from un-Islamic social practices, Iran would certainly not adopt a Western-style neoliberal policy, i.e., unregulated free trade and immigration.
    • Hi I find your interpritaion of this verse helpful.  It explains your points.  You see God as the ultimate light and then there are people (prophets? imams?) who reflect that light or who shine as a star rather than the sun. When I look at Jesus the Messiah through this verse it makes me remember a saying of Jesus recorded faithfully by his friend John (chapter 8:12) When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, ‘I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.’ Jesus the Messiah was claiming to be more than just a "likness of God's light" but to actually be that light dispelling all darkness and bring true light and life into people's lives. Yes Jesus is the visible manifestation of more than just God's names but of God's nature and character as well.
    • Because they are about outward activities and not inward change.  Listening to sounds and repeating words however full of God they are, are only external.  I suggest that in our struggle against the challenges of life whether it is in the area of sexual attraction or in other areas like gossip or lieing or anger or violence or pornography, we will only overcme with a transformed and renewed heart given us by God through the power of Jesus the Messiah working in us by his Holy and lifegiving Spirit. See this verse from the Trustworth Injil (Romans 8:2) Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is – his good, pleasing and perfect will.
    • A lie like this constitutes fraud in marriage. When a spouse defrauds the other spouse in this way, then there is a strong case they could make for divorce. Most sheiks would give a divorce in this case, if the question was directly asked and the spouse lied in an issue like this which is an important issue. Whether a divorce should happen or not depends on other factors. There is not a requirement for a divorce, and if the spouse is happy with the partner that lied about this, the lie was admitted, sorry was expressed for this, the spouse who lied asked for forgiveness, they haven't repeated this, and they get along in the other ways then divorce is not recommended in this case.  On the other hand, if the spouse who lied refuses to admit it, even though there is alot of evidence that they did lie, there is no sorry expressed for the action, no attempt to ask for forgiveness from the spouse who was lied to and / or there is a pattern of lying and deception from the part of this spouse, then definitely a divorce should happen, because this will be an ongoing problem which will destroy the marriage at some point, and probably after their are children involved, which would be much worse. It is not possible to have a marriage between someone who lies / does fraud and someone who doesn't. Even though they might both claim to be muslim, Shia, etc, someone who does fraud or lies on a regular basis is, in fact, not a muslim, in the real and true sense, although we can't do takfir on them for purposes of maintaining wahidat (unity amoung the followers of Islam). 
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