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Minor Islamic Sects
Dicuss the history and doctrines of non-Imami sects and religions such as the Isma`ilis, Zaydis, Waqifis, Druze, Nusayris, Zoroastrians, Mandeans, and others, both existing and extinct.
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I've started to update my blog with various articles. I only gave 2 entered atm. But ill try add regular content Inshallah Link to shiachat blog https://www.shiachat.com/forum/blogs/blog/103-zaidia-the-middle-path/
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Sunni here, interested in what the Zaidi understanding of Shaykhayn (Abu Bakr Radiyallahu An and Umar Radiyallahy An) and Uthman Radiyallahu An. Is it true that you prohibit yourselves from cursing them? Do you view them as muslims? Do you think they were sinful or not? Also, as with Ahlus Sunnah, do you agree with us that Imam Ali KarramAllahu Wajhu loved/respected them? I am interested as I have read that the Zaidis are more moderate Shia, I'm simply interested to see how far this moderation goes. Also, unrelated question, is it true that you do not do Taqiyyah in the manner of the Shia?
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Hi. I used to be some kind of staunch atheist-materialist-rationalist. Life led me to understand the importance of having God in your life, and an appreciation of how limited our powers as humans are. I went back to my ethnic roots and joined the Eastern Orthodox Christian Church. As an organization it is flawed as this is a fallen world and all members and leaders of the church are flawed humans, but it's a lot better than Catholic. I spent a year in Saudi Arabia teaching English and learned a bit about Islam. One of my colleagues was an Islamic scholar who appeared to be Shia. He taught me some interesting facts. The relationship between Shia and Sunni has some sim…
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Who were the mutazzalli and qhawarij and what were their believes?
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I've heard two stories about how they came to be 1) that a brother of imam reza (عليه السلام) rebelled and declared himself imam, splitting the shia 2) that the eldest brother of the imam died, who the shia had thought to be the next imam. This led to a dispute and one group broke off thinking the cycle of imamate had ended. I personally find the first story unlikely, i don't think the son and brother of imams would be capable of doing anything against the wishes of allah and his imams. Perhaps his death was a form of azmayash, where Allah tested our faith and integrity by bringing forth such a dispute.
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Assassins have always baffled me. What's your view on them? How do you view Fatimid dynasty? What's your general view of the Ismaili? How do twelevers view them? Note that the twelvers used to oppose the Fatimid dynasty. Please no attack on anybody or any sect, just academic discussion on the topic.
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Comment about some interesting sects that are extinct, when and where did they exist and what were their believes?
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Asaalaam o laykum can anybody shed some light on the Mirza/Mughal caste and why it seems to be associated as a bad caste “oh mirzay are so bad, kafir etc” because I’m pretty sure it makes logical sense that a caste can’t indefinitely be associated with a religion.. what people are mistaking it for is ahmadis who follow a leader with the name Mirza who believes he is the Mahdi..? therefore you can’t make the judgement that all humans from the Mirza caste follow the Ahmadi religion, it’s like saying all Syeds are Shia when that is logical sense that they are not!
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I've been asked a few times about the zaidi view of the sahaba. Zaidi view is they were all individuals some were praised some made errors. But we generally keep silent where Imam Ali kept silent and speak out where he spoke out. Muawiya is explicitly critised due to many reasons. The following is a conclusion to an article: Due to the aforementioned proofs, one should have no qualms about dispraising Mu’awiya bin Abi Sufy n. He should be condemned and not emulated as a righteous and just person. His deeds—even after his supposed conversion to Islam—should be placed against the balance of the Holy Qur’ n as well as that of the Prophetic Sunnah. Despite his tenur…
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Hi I've just launched a new website it's similar to my shiachat blog. But hopefully more accessible. It's in the early stages. So only a fundamentals and basic library section. Any feedback would be appreciated. Jzk https://zaidiportal.com/
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Salams, A friend and I were looking for a third to read through Zaydi primary texts with us. The types of texts which will be covered are theological, legal, historical, etc. This reading circle is not for polemical purposes but for understanding Zaydism through Zaydi texts, you should want to ask yourself why did some ancient Shias choose to associate themselves with the Zaydiyya, how their Imamate works, and the intellectual tradition of this school. You should be someone open-minded and willing to learn about this legal and theological school, and of course take notes and discuss. All those interested are kindly asked to state their interest so we can pick so…
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Hi I decided to post Imam Hadis fundamentals of religion. I'll post one chapter at a time. Inshallah.
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Just wondering, What is the reason we don't place 12ver Shiaism as one of the minor sects on this Forum. It is still a minor sect within Islam given that it doesn't even come close to 20% of the Sunni population. I am genuinely interested in knowing how Shias cope with this fact (THIS REALITY) and how they end up taking their sect as a serious contender in the arena of Islamic World.?
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How do you feel about Muslims that reject the hadith all together?
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I've been asked a few times on this forumn about Zaidi fundamentals so hopefully this will.answer a few questions inshallah. Translation of Bab Ma’rifat al-Usūl from Al-Muntakhab By Imam al-Hādi ila al-Haqq Yahya bin al-Hussein In the Name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Gracious… Amongst the first questions that were asked to the imam was: “O Imam, may Allah be pleased with you, what do you say is the first thing that Allah makes religiously compulsory upon His slaves? He replied: “The first thing that Allah makes religiously compulsory upon His slaves is Gnosis of Him “What is the foundation of Gnosis?” “The foundation of the Gnosis of All…
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Similar to Pascal's wager, I present the following argument against the Baha'i Faith: If I, a Muslim, am right, then you, a Baha'i, will burn in hell for eternity. If you, a Baha'i, are right, then I, a Muslim, will experience temporary remoteness from God and eventually, enjoy the all-highest paradise. To elaborate, according to the Baha'i Faith, hell and heaven are not literal places, but states of being. Hell is being remote from God and heaven is being close to God. All of the descriptions of heaven and hell provided in the Quran and ahadith are metaphorical. For example, fire represents unbelief and hoor al-ayn represent hidden meanings of revelation…
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Do we have any Akhbari on here? Surprisingly online there seems to be a stem of Neo-Akhbaris. Discussing this with my friend he told me that Afghan Shi’as living in Germany and Holland are disillusioned with Iran and are adopting more Akhbari beliefs (also add in the fact that Hassan Allahyari holds many of the same viewpoints as them). I also hear in South Asia particularly Pakistan Akhbarism is rising, with extremely devoted Pakistanis adhering to all the hadiths attributes to the Ahlulbayt ((عليه السلام)). Im just wondering if this is just a trend online or if the movement is actually rising?
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Salaam, From my knowledge, there's these 2 religious groups of "Shia muslims": the Alawites of Syria, and the Alevis of Turkey. To me, it sounds like they are the same, as Alawi sounds arabic and Alevi seems to be the same word but in Persian/Turkish. For that reason, are they the same religion (located in different geographical locations), or are they completly different in beliefs and practices ? Can we consider them Shias, or are they so different that we can call them non-muslims, like the Druze ?
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(bismillah) (salam) everyone, Can someone please explain who the group that are called Khoja Shia are, where they can be found and what their specific beliefs are, that set them apart from other Shi'as. Thank you. (wasalam)
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Salam aleykum brothers and sisters Why the world is against the houthi's in Jemen? I read that many people say that they are terrorists. What is true story? Thank you
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What's the 12er view of Abu Khalid is he mentioned in any 12er rijal books ? As I've heard Ayatullah Khoei graded him as reliable but have not been able to verify this. For those who do t know he is the the narrator from Imam Zayd and compilor of his musnad.
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I’ve noticed many if not most alawis don’t observe hijab and if they do wear hijab they are considered extremists in their community. I find they are very secretive when discussing religion and to sunnis they say they are Shia and to Shia they say they are alawis. is there a website where I can research about them? They say they believe in Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) as I went to school with many and friends with some but as mentioned very secretive. I want to understand their rulings and why they believe certain things
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Salaam All, Just a quick question about this school of thought. What are their main/core beliefs and how do their ritual practices differ from the Shia school of thought. Thank you
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Aga Khan IV is the current imam (49th) according to millions of Nizari Ismailis. According to their belief, all Nizari Ismailis should give between 10% or 12.5% of their net income to the current imam. Aga Khan IV and his family are very rich. They also believe that imams are infallible (never sins), and dressing immodestly is haram. https://ask.ismailignosis.com/article/77-what-is-the-concept-of-halal-haram-in-ismailism But then Aga Khan IV was caught dressing immodestly with his “friends”. https://insideismailism.wordpress.com/aga-khan-vacation-2018/
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i heard of a hadtih in a book, which says that there will be 13 shia sects and only one goes to paradise, could some one privide detail?
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Salam alaykum. I was Sunni until a few months ago when I started to research Shia Islam. Convinced of the imamate of Ali, Hassan and Hussein, I then had to decide between Twelver, Zaidi and Ismaili. To cut a long story short, now I am Twelver. However I would like to know what is the Twelver perspective on the Ismailis. My main question is specifically why is Musa al-Kadhim the seventh Imam and not his brother Ismail? Any other comments related to Twelver and Ismaili perspectives of each other is welcome.
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While I would not call my self a distinct Quranist, (I simply has to little knowledge to choose either), I do think the Quranists has a good argument. The message given to Rasul Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم وعائلته) is what is written in the Qur'an. And that must be the foremost authority to Muslims. The Hadith is hear say. As far as I understand the word "hadith" means something that people has said about the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم وعائلته). That means that the hadith is not divine revelation. Even scholars admit that many hadith's are fake, invented by people trying to forward their own agenda. In the first centuries AH a lot of Christian's, Jew's, Zoroastrian's, Mani…
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Who are Zaydis? What is their belief ?
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السلام على من التبع الهداً I need to know, Who are Zaydis and what is their belief and why do Sunnis consider them as Muslims and consider all other sects as rejectors "raafidah". And I need to know, which sect among Shia are considered to be on truth - guidance. My question is for only educational purposes. Please provide evidences from authentic Shia Sources.
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Since we have threads for other sects, I felt we should have one dedicated to the Nation of Islam Nation of Islam on sunni islam - Check 7:20 onwards Minister Farakhan on Racism in Islam Nation of Islam Praying 7:30 onwards
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Asalam alaikom everyone.....any other Zaydis hanging around the forums? Any other Zaydi converts, by chance? Just asking, surely I can't be the only one
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