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Continuing with my thoughts on the Reverts Handbook miracles. Proof 5: There seems to be confusion about what this says. Some Muslim commentators think it's a spiritual thing; some seem to think the barrier is land; some think it refers to where a fresh water river meets salt water and doesn't easily mix. Muslims do sometimes use knowledge of the last of these as evidence of miracle (as in 'How did the Qu'ran know this was a thing?'), but the mixing is only delayed as an estuarine layer, and they do eventually mix, which doesn't appear to correspond to “Between them is a barrier which none of them can transgress” terribly well. At the boundary between fresh and salt water, there is a certain amount of mixing caused by the flow of fresh water over salt and by the ebb and flow of tides. Proof 6: Iron can come from meteorites, but the majority on earth was created when the earth was formed. Iron was the main ingredient for weapons at the time, hence the great force- Sahih International translates “in which there lies great force” as “wherein is great military might”. Proof 7: I'm not sure that forbidding alcohol could be regarded as a miracle. In moderation the health problems are small, indeed there may well be benefits on things like heart disease. Things like a fatty diet, lack of exercise and smoking have a much stronger case to be discouraged purely on health grounds. Abstinence calls have been common throughout history, and would not be considered miraculous. A number of Christian groups have banned alcohol. -
Thanks for the reply. Apologies for not posting more often, but...busy times. Thanks for sticking with me! Your section 1 I am analysing proof 3#1 of the Reverts Handbook linked to earlier, discussing Holy Quran Chapter 21 Verse 30. I can't see how that gets interpreted in the way you suggest. Section 2 You may be right in your reading, but it's far from obvious that it is the only reading. The word translated as "then", and the general context (41:10-11) seem to imply that the earth was already there, but the heavens were in smoke form. Even if we accept that your reading is correct, the ambiguity involved means that the claim of miracle doesn't really work. Section 3 As earlier in the thread, if your reading is correct, no 'red shift' miracle is involved.
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By Muslim2010 · Posted
Suratul Baqarah: Verse 177 (١٧٧) لَّيسَ ٱلبِرَّ أَن تُوَلُّواْ وُجُوهَكُمۡ قِبَلَ ٱلمَشرِقِ وَٱلمَغرِبِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱلبِرَّ مَنۡ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱليَوۡمِ ٱلأَخِرِ وَٱلمَلَـٰئكَةِ وَٱلكِتَـٰبِ وَٱلنَّبِيِّـنَ وَءَاتَى ٱلمَالَ عَلَىٰ حُبِّهِۦ ذَوِى ٱلقُرۡبَىٰ وَٱليَتَـٰمَىٰ وَٱلمَسَـٰكِينَ وَٱبنَ ٱلسَّبِيلِ وَٱلسَّآئلينَ وَفِى ٱلرِّقَابِ وَأَقَامَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتَى ٱلزَّكوٰةَ وَٱلمُوفُونَ بِعَهدِهِمۡ إِذَا عَـٰهَدُواْۖ وَٱلصَّـٰبِرِينَ فِى ٱلبَأۡسَآءِ وَٱلضَّرَّآءِ وَحِينَ ٱلبَأۡسِۗ أُوْلَـَٰئك ٱلَّذِينَ صَدَقُواْۖ وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ ٱلمُتَّقُونَ It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteousness is the one who believes in Allah and the last day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for (the emancipation of) the captives, and keeps up prayer and pays the zakat, and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in time of conflict - these are they who are true and these are they who are the pious (177). Commentary It is said that when the qiblah was changed from Baytu '1-Maqdis to the Ka'bah, there ensued a long drawn out controversy and conflict in the public. It was then that this verse was revealed. The detail can be seen at the given link below: https://al-islam.org/al-mizan-an-exegesis-of-the-qur-an-volume-2/suratul-baqarah-verse-177 -
Lions for Lambs Might have reviewed this previously. Anyway it's good and family friendly. It's really a series of dialogues even monologues held together with 'live action' in the loosest sense of the term. So if you want a war movie - this ain't it. But if you want some ideas kicking around about the 'War on Terror' then it's ok, especially for younger family members. It's directed by Robert Redford and Meryl Streep has a strong role so you know the perspective will be reasonable.
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