Imamology

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Another possibility is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

We are many hundreds of thousands of years overdue a reversal of polarity, which is when the Earth's magnetic field flips.  When this happens, North on our compasses will be the current South, and vice versa.  And this means that West becomes what is now East, and so the Sun will rise from the West.  Geographically and astronomically, everything will appear the same; its just that East and West change places, because North and South do.

Edited November 12, 2016 by .InshAllah.

Its an interesting theory. 

He will establish the Kingdom of Heaven!. 

On 11/12/2016 at 5:18 PM, .InshAllah. said:

Another possibility is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

We are many hundreds of thousands of years overdue a reversal of polarity, which is when the Earth's magnetic field flips.  When this happens, North on our compasses will be the current South, and vice versa.  And this means that West becomes what is now East, and so the Sun will rise from the West.  Geographically and astronomically, everything will appear the same; its just that East and West change places, because North and South do.

This isnt necessarily true (the "overdue" part).  If you have been reading up on magnetic reversals lately, feel free to enlighten me, but I would say that, looking at the past few million years is a relatively small data set to work with.  In the grand scheme of things, we could be thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years away from the next reversal and not overdue at all.

 

Edited November 16, 2016 by iCambrian

Not to mention that I think a polar reversal would result in an almost instantaneous extinction of our species. There would be no time for the Sun to rise from the West, we'd all be dead before then lol. Keep in mind that the Sun rising from its setting-place is supposed to be a sign of the End Times, and not the apocalypse itself - that would happen much later.

6 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

Not to mention that I think a polar reversal would result in an almost instantaneous extinction of our species. There would be no time for the Sun to rise from the West, we'd all be dead before then lol. Keep in mind that the Sun rising from its setting-place is supposed to be a sign of the End Times, and not the apocalypse itself - that would happen much later.

Of course I would have to ask...why do you believe a reversal would kill us?

Here

http://www.livescience.com/18426-earth-magnetic-poles-flip.html

 

Edited November 16, 2016 by iCambrian

9 minutes ago, iCambrian said:

Of course I would have to ask...why do you believe a reversal would kill us?

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I heard that it may cause earthquakes or ruin our ozone layer. What are your thoughts?

 

37 minutes ago, Qa'im said:

I'm not an expert on the subject, but I heard that it may cause earthquakes or ruin our ozone layer. What are your thoughts?

Well, i think the article i linked seemed fine.  The magnetic field does protect us from radiation form space.  So alterations in the direction its facing probably wouldnt be the best.  But...if you buy into it, if reversals did occur, say every 500k years. If life has been here for several billion years, then...well, you get the idea.  Life has lived through countless reversals. We have survived through countless reversals, though we simply werent recording information back then and probably werent even aware of it.

So, a magnetic reversal alone, i dont think would be a means of extinction.  Even if hypothetically there were ill effects from it, i imagine mankind would work and do what we have to do to get by. As we always have i suppose.

For the planet to become inhabitable by mankind, i think it would have to go through some pretty rugged changes, not that such changes arent unheard of in earth history, but certainly unheard of  since...well i suppose 65 million years ago when the dinosaurs went down.

Edited November 16, 2016 by iCambrian

10 hours ago, iCambrian said:

This isnt necessarily true (the "overdue" part).  If you have been reading up on magnetic reversals lately, feel free to enlighten me, but I would say that, looking at the past few million years is a relatively small data set to work with.  In the grand scheme of things, we could be thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years away from the next reversal and not overdue at all.

 

This  is from the NASA website:  

"Reversals are the rule, not the exception. Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal.''

 

So i would say based on the pattern of reversals over the last 20 million years, we are overdue a reversal. 

 

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html

9 hours ago, Qa'im said:

Not to mention that I think a polar reversal would result in an almost instantaneous extinction of our species. There would be no time for the Sun to rise from the West, we'd all be dead before then lol. Keep in mind that the Sun rising from its setting-place is supposed to be a sign of the End Times, and not the apocalypse itself - that would happen much later.

From the same site that @.InshAllah. quoted (my bold):

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The science shows that magnetic pole reversal is – in terms of geologic time scales – a common occurrence that happens gradually over millennia. While the conditions that cause polarity reversals are not entirely predictable – the north pole's movement could subtly change direction, for instance – there is nothing in the millions of years of geologic record to suggest that any of the 2012 doomsday scenarios connected to a pole reversal should be taken seriously. A reversal might, however, be good business for magnetic compass manufacturers.

 

 

2 hours ago, .InshAllah. said:

This  is from the NASA website:  

"Reversals are the rule, not the exception. Earth has settled in the last 20 million years into a pattern of a pole reversal about every 200,000 to 300,000 years, although it has been more than twice that long since the last reversal.''

 

So i would say based on the pattern of reversals over the last 20 million years, we are overdue a reversal. 

 

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html

I don't think their " rule not exception" statement is referring to a 200-300k time phrame.  I think they're just saying that it happens, vs not happening. Especially since they immediately state that the most recent occurred over twice that time ago. 

 

to say something is overdue would be to imply that it is later than expected. But when you would expect it to occur changes based on your data set. So I guess it's subjective. You see what you want to see, you pick the set of data that you want to pick.

 

 

Edited November 16, 2016 by iCambrian

If we look at a larger dataset, we can see that the current "inter reversal" time isnt uncommon at all (even in the past 30mya as NASA had referenced)

http://deeptow.whoi.edu/text/ck95.txt

Edited November 16, 2016 by iCambrian

6 hours ago, iCambrian said:

If we look at a larger dataset, we can see that the current "inter reversal" time isnt uncommon at all (even in the past 30mya as NASA had referenced)

http://deeptow.whoi.edu/text/ck95.txt

Thanks for the picture.   It seems that the overall trend over the last 80million yrs is that these reversals are getting more frequent.  But this trend isnt smooth but rather choppy, and leaves room for the occasional  reversal to take a bit longer.  I guess the next reversal will be one of these that takes a bit longer

This 'Pole reversal' thing, does this mean the earths magnetic fields will reverse, or does it actually mean the earth will stop rotating around it's axis, and reverse rotate the other way around? 

On 11/17/2016 at 9:26 AM, YAli said:

This 'Pole reversal' thing, does this mean the earths magnetic fields will reverse, or does it actually mean the earth will stop rotating around it's axis, and reverse rotate the other way around? 

Earth's magnetic poles will reverse and (probably) nothing will happen to life, this process is underway as we speak. Earth spinning the other way around it's axis would be the result of some catastrophic impact, like the hypothesized impact that reversed Venus' rotation.

On 11/15/2016 at 7:50 PM, Qa'im said:

Not to mention that I think a polar reversal would result in an almost instantaneous extinction of our species. There would be no time for the Sun to rise from the West, we'd all be dead before then lol. Keep in mind that the Sun rising from its setting-place is supposed to be a sign of the End Times, and not the apocalypse itself - that would happen much later.

No it wouldn't this has happened many times in the past and guess what, a wide variety of animals are still here.  

The physical Sun may as well rise from the West, this may be possible then. But this does not change what I said - our literature says that the Mahdi is this Sun rising from its setting place, that he is currently behind the clouds, that his companions are like cirrus clouds, that Islam would come back as a stranger (ghareeb, form the word gharb), and that he would light up the whole world. If the future scientists declare that the Sun will physically rise from the West in the year 3000 for example, this does not mean that Qiyama will occur that year, because all of our sources say that it will come unexpectedly. If the poles change place in our lifetime, and nothing happens thereafter, then you'll need to consider alternative possibilities and interpretations. This one, I think, is a very organic interpretation when you put everything together.