What the hell does "India-Pakistan" has to do with this topic? You are asking question from Islamic point-of-view, then where does INDIA come from?
May be if you re-read my first posting it will add up to you.
I have mentioned the use of 'traitor' in heated debate, These debates happen primarily among the pakistani-indian shias on the forum.
As soon as you mentioned MATA-JI, you showed all your skeletons. So it IS about Baapu-ji, and your love affair with the polytheists.
I don't call any country my 'mata'. If you assume this and try to mock me for this non existent belief you are using a straw-man argument.
So you are asking them to divide Iraq and unite with Iran. Good. Since you are planning to divide countries based on sects, I wonder if you will ask Iranians to give up Balochistan and Kurdish parts of Iran. After all, they are sunnis. And this is just one example.
Iraqis were given an option before: an islamic revolution led by Ayatullah al-sadr. That didn't work out. Now the US is there, and balkanization seems more than a possibility.
If the iraqi shias have been pushed into the arms of iranians it's not their fault. The sunni regimes have pushed them to this extreme.
If the iranians repeat the same *mistake* of alienating sunnis of baluchistan can I stop them?
Ideally i'd like all muslims to be united in one *block*. If that's not too practical, I'd rather see all SHIAS in one block. call it crescent or whatever.
So dear Latif, do you think Iranians will do it?
Iraqi shias are natural allies to the iranians.
If iranians play smart they can appease the sunnis, by addressing their grievances.
So you are saying that Nasrallah is LYING with he has that he is Lebanese?
how do you define a lebanese again? someone who worships the boundaries?
remember lebanon was a *part* of syria.
and being pro-iran isn't necessarily *anti-lebanese* either.
So for those who operate in binary logic, it appears as a lie. His line of reasoning seems to favor the idea that syrian and iranian interests are NOT against lebanon.
Remember hizb has openly *thanked* syria and iran for their support.
for those who understand history and geopolitics better, it doesn't appear as a contradiction AT ALL.
Irrespective of who it is meant for, irrespective of whether Nasrallah considers himself shia first; when he says that he is Lebanese then it means that he is patriotic to Lebanon, and will not do anything which may harm his country.
Obviously, and seeking help from iran and syria isn't going to harm lebanon as per his logic.
Remember that Nasrallah stood by Syria when a majority of sunnis are christians were against them.
Yeah, civilized way was when you called America to be Pakistan's BAAP. Stop this holier than thou attitude, and see that anyone who ridicules his own birth-country is called 'namak-haram' and a coward.
Even today pakistan and the US are war-gaming together.
I wish I could find a more derogatory term for this *relationship*.
If Pakistan was squarely in the anti-imperialist block I would have NO REASON whatsover to use this language.
And btw, if you can't prove your claim that I'm a namak-haram from an *islamic* perspective, I will maintain that you have slandered me (not that I really care, but let's see what you can produce?).
God HAS given access for others to see what other people's intention are. It is called common-sense. Your reason of starting this topic here in Urdu forum is ONLY against Pakistan, and is not intended as an Islamic topic. It is obvious from your posts about how you have given "hope" for Pakistan.
So if I had posted the same posting under another alias, would have rebutted it on logical grounds? or you would attacked the poster as usual?
This is internet, stop being personal, try to start addressing the questions, and *admit* if you don't have answers.
It is YOU who started this thread with a clear intention to criticize Pakistan as a country, and so you will be discussed for sure. And if you need answers then go ask Nasrallah and Iran.
And what's best to counter me than to refute me on logical grounds?
Your questions don't make sense.
Meaning they don't make sense to you or in general?
Apparently others have tried to participate.
For starters, your ILLOGICAL and INDECENT anti-Pakistan questions is answered by the CREDIBLE SOURCE of Nasrallah when he called himself a LEBANESE.
hizb has also thanked openly Iran and syria for their cooperation during the current crisis.
Btw, you seriously think you can refute my logic by bringing up, of all the people, the example of Nasrallah???? And that on Shiachat?
Hizbullah is a classic example of pan-shiism. I will be amazed if you didn't know this before. In fact, it has become an icon of pan-ISLAMISM lately.
Hizb proves my points more forcefully than any other phenomenon, and I wonder why you had to mention it in the first place?
To make it easier for you: Here's what's hizbullah's own flag reads, in case you didn't know:
Ath-thoratul/muwaqamatul ISLAMIYA fi labnan
now tell me, what comes first here - lebanon or islam?
Yeah. And there is no point in shooting a country with your keyboard either.
Sorry but I don't believe a term 'shooting the country' exists.
PS. I have PMed you to lay off personal insults, CCed Peer on that. Urdu kee baat hay toe urdu walon main rahay, As for behess, wo jitni chaho kar lo, yeh forum hay he issy liyeh..
Edited by ShahLatif, 04 September 2006 - 02:48 PM.