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you are right sis i heard from sunni friends that u shia do zanjeer ,s matum and then collect the blood and pour it over the rice or biryani or what ever we serve on the day of ashore :mad:

as for the topic there is a group in pakistan who mourn,s imam (as) on the day of ashora and also tahir al qadri has lot of respect for the ahlulbayt (as) known by us shia,s u can visit his site and listen to his lectures on www.tv.mihaj.org

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Last year the owner of the events center the Iraqi shia community had rented for ashura was threatened by sunnis! And they even got him into cancelling the rental for 10 moharram on last notice for the sake of a Turkish wedding to take place there!

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(bismillah)  (salam)

Forget all that.  Listen to this:

Last year during mohorram there was this Indian molana who was telling us the facts about Umar ibn Khataab's birth.

He told us that (MODS PLEASE DON'T DELETE THIS) there was this woman a long time ago.  She use to graze her goats and once she got raped, from behind by a person.  The child that she produced, grew up and had incest with her.  The child that she produced from that, engaged in incest with her as well, and the child born thereafter was Umar.

Now, the reason I asked for this not to be deleted is that people in the majlis got hyped up and said the molana shouldn't be saying such things while seated on the alter (mimber).  To which the molana replied:  THESE PEOPLE (SUNNIS) MAKE UP LIES ABOUT WHAT WE SHIAS DO AND WE CAN'T EVEN SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT THEM?

And those lies about US SHIAS include:

1) We spit in the water that we give to a sunni;

2)  We shias give off such an offensive odor that it'll burn your nostril hair (or wotever);

3) THAT ON SHAB E ASHOOR - MY BRETHREN HOLD YOUR BREATH- THAT ON SHAB E ASHOOOR WE PUT OUT THE LIGHTS IN OUR HOUSES AND ENGAGE IN FAMILY INCEST - YES YOU READ IT RIGHT FAMILY INCEST NAOZOBILLAH..............

This is how far their bughz goes for the LOVERS OF IMAM ALI AND HUSSAIN (as) AND FOR THE DEFENDERS AND CRIERS OF THE TRUTH!

And to testify to these things, we have been personally questioned by sunnis if we do any of the above.

HOW DISGUSTING.

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Although what you're saying is the truth, but i've reported your post anyway, its too damn offensive :mad:

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Really?  The only sunnis I know fast and talk about the parting of the Red Sea, and how the Prophet (pbuh) wanted to be different than the Jews or something.

Wallahu alim.

Wasalaam

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(salam)

Did you read the article which I posted before? It tells how those hadiths talking about parting the Red Sea are a lie. Jews didn't have any religious reason to fast on the day of Ashura during the years when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was living in Medina. There are only few solutions to explain their hadiths:

1.) The jews lied that they fasted for religious reasons (memorizing the event of parting the Red Sea) on the day of Ashura of Muslims and Prophet (pbuh) believed their lies...

2.) Someone else lied and invented this hadith and didn't know that jews have their own calendar and the festival about parting the Red Sea isn't even near of Ashura of Muslim calendar! Anyone who has read the Old Testament of Bible (or Torah) knows that it was the month of Abib of jewish calendar when the parting the Red Sea happened.

A quote from the article below: The month in which God delivered the Israelites from Pharaoh was Abib (i.e. Rajab), as the Bible clearly says: "Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover unto the Lord thy God: for in the month of Abib the Lord thy God brought thee forth out of Egypt by night." (Deut., 16:1)

Read and cry (or laugh...? :dry: ): http://www.al-islam.org/al-serat/fastofashura.htm

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^ sorry sis, but the bible clearly calls the month of passover , abib or whatever, to be the first month in the jewish calender.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/20020327.htm

"This month shall be for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year for you [see Bible Calendar]. Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month they shall take every man a lamb according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household; and if the household is too small for a lamb, then a man and his neighbor next to his house shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb."
The 14th day of the month of Nisan (see Bible Months) is one of the most important dates of all Bible History. It was the God-commanded time of the Passover (Exodus 12:6,11-14)

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/biblmon.htm

Bible Month Length Roman Calendar Equivalent

1. Nisan 30 days March-April

2. Iyar 29 days April-May

3. Sivan 30 days May-June

4. Tammuz 29 days June-July

5. Av 30 days July-August

6. Elul 29 days August-September

7. Tishri 30 days September-October

8. Cheshvan 29 or 30 days October-November

9. Kislev 30 or 29 days November-December

10. Tevet 29 days December-January

11. Shevat 30 days January-February

12. Adar 29 or 30 days February-March

13. Adar II 29 days March-April

The Passover ... When?

Commandment keeping believers should celebrate the Passover Service with the new covenant emblems of bread and wine no more than once a year; and then only at the divinely appointed time, which is the evening of the 14th Abib, the first month in the sacred calendar.

Ye shall keep it (the Passover lamb) till the 14th day of the same month,

and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

(Exo.12:6)

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(bismillah)  (salam)

Forget all that.  Listen to this:

Last year during mohorram there was this Indian molana who was telling us the facts about Umar ibn Khataab's birth.

He told us that (MODS PLEASE DON'T DELETE THIS) there was this woman a long time ago.  She use to graze her goats and once she got raped, from behind by a person.  The child that she produced, grew up and had incest with her.  The child that she produced from that, engaged in incest with her as well, and the child born thereafter was Umar.

Now, the reason I asked for this not to be deleted is that people in the majlis got hyped up and said the molana shouldn't be saying such things while seated on the alter (mimber).  To which the molana replied:  THESE PEOPLE (SUNNIS) MAKE UP LIES ABOUT WHAT WE SHIAS DO AND WE CAN'T EVEN SPEAK THE TRUTH ABOUT THEM?

And those lies about US SHIAS include:

1) We spit in the water that we give to a sunni;

2)  We shias give off such an offensive odor that it'll burn your nostril hair (or wotever);

3) THAT ON SHAB E ASHOOR - MY BRETHREN HOLD YOUR BREATH- THAT ON SHAB E ASHOOOR WE PUT OUT THE LIGHTS IN OUR HOUSES AND ENGAGE IN FAMILY INCEST - YES YOU READ IT RIGHT FAMILY INCEST NAOZOBILLAH..............

This is how far their bughz goes for the LOVERS OF IMAM ALI AND HUSSAIN (as) AND FOR THE DEFENDERS AND CRIERS OF THE TRUTH!

And to testify to these things, we have been personally questioned by sunnis if we do any of the above.

HOW DISGUSTING.

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That indian "molana" is a khadaab, a liar, may Allah punish him for lying against Umar (ra).

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Salam brothers and sisters

This thread is full of too much fitna.  I just wanted information, when I created it.  Correct any misinformation, but please don't spread hatred between fellow Muslims.

For all those who have given information, thank you.

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Actually, thank you so much for starting this topic. The only thing I had ever seen from sunnis was total disregard for what happened to Imam Hussein (as) at Karbala. When I tried to talk about it in my own sunni community, I was told that the event itself was too controversial to even DISCUSS.

But I am very impressed with the sunnis on board, particularly Bro Aashiq e Rasul, who remember the tragedy of Imam Hussein (as) and actually shed tears.

May Allah (swt) guide us all.

Wasalaam

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Although what you're saying is the truth, but i've reported your post anyway, its too damn offensive  :mad:

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(bismillah) (salam)

Yea, the truth is offensive.

you are right sis i heard from sunni friends that u shia do zanjeer ,s matum and then collect the blood and pour it over the rice or biryani or what ever we serve on the day of ashore
Yea how could I forget this one.

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That indian "molana" is a khadaab, a  liar, may Allah punish him for lying against Umar (ra).

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(bismillah) (salam)

Well if the Indian molana lied about ''umar'' then so be it. He'll pay for it.

HOWEVER the lies that sunnis spread about Shias - I'VE HEARD THEM MYSELF.

Imagine your coworker asking you ''bhai jaan (brother), I heard that you shia people stink like (cow [Edited Out]). How come you don't?'' how would you feel (about the bughz and hatred in general)? My hubby was asked this by a pathan bhai.

Also the sunni Punjabi lady whom I'd stayed with after the delivery of my daughter who's now ten months, mourns over Imam Hussain (as)'s martyrdom. However even SHE asked us if we serve biryani with poured blood of zanjeer zani, or if we engage in family incest on the night of.........

And if we spit water that we serve to sunnis.

Yeah but you wouldn't care now would you? Sorry.

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Yea, the truth is offensive. 

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Sunnis don't care to know what "true" shiism is because of the complete lack of respect and courtesy you have. THe example of your indian "molana" telling the story in the khutba is prime,...how can you deal with people whose very leaders have filthy tongues? Our scholars teach us the deen and the values of Islam,....not insults and rage fits and dirty stories.

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(bismillah) (salam)

Where I grew up in Karachi there was this sunni family who use to have some sunni molana come and give a speech on mic (from the house but everyone could hear it outside via speakers)...and they use to cook haleem in a large pot (daigh) outside the house. I also know of other sunnis who observe Ashura by not doing anything happy and they just mourn but don't do matam.

My step-dad's family is sunni (my step dad is sunni) and even they don't do anything ''happy'' during the month of mohorram.

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Well if the Indian molana lied about ''umar'' then so be it.  He'll pay for it.

HOWEVER the lies that sunnis spread about Shias - I'VE HEARD THEM MYSELF.

Imagine your coworker asking you ''bhai jaan (brother), I heard that you shia people stink like (cow [Edited Out]).  How come you don't?'' how would you feel (about the bughz and hatred in general)?  My hubby was asked this by a pathan bhai.

Also the sunni Punjabi lady whom I'd stayed with after the delivery of my daughter who's now ten months, mourns over Imam Hussain (as)'s martyrdom.  However even SHE asked us if we serve biryani with poured blood of zanjeer zani, or if we engage in family incest on the night of.........

And if we spit water that we serve to sunnis.

Yeah but you wouldn't care now would you?  Sorry.

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Don't tell me about what they do in India and pakistan and call that Sunnism. I swear people in the Indian subcontinent think they are the center of the world. Have you ever talked to Sunnis from Africa or Southeast Asia? You'd find that they don't have any of those notions if you cared to expand your knowledge at all ,.....instead of promoting your own twisted stereotypes.

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Don't tell me about what they do in India and pakistan and call that Sunnism. I swear people in the Indian subcontinent think they are the center of the world. Have you ever talked to Sunnis from Africa or Southeast Asia? You'd find that they don't have any of those notions if you cared to expand your knowledge at all ,.....instead of promoting your own twisted stereotypes.

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Relax, bro....

Do you see how upset you get when shi'as spread negative stereotypes about sunnis?

This is a constant, year round thing for shi'as in general.

That's why some are so upset.

Wasalaam

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(bismillah) (salam)

My apologies to those who got hurt it wasn't my intention. I know ''my post'' was offensive. I deleted the specific name for the sake of peace.

When we hear such things from people we visit or hang out with, that how come we don't stink like [Edited Out] or if we do this or dat, we don't get hurt for having the questions directed at us but we get seriously offended due to the 'bughz' and the propagandas that are used to divide the shias and sunnis.

However I personally don't view sunnis with hatred other then those who clearly spell out their hatred (bughz) for mola Ali (karam Allah wajh) in our faces with disgust.

Once again, my apologies.

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not all sunnis are the same, even if their madhab is the same. they have different attitudes. some sunni mosques wone even mention what happened to our imam hussein (as) , but will talk about the fasting and the jews thing ( one example was when i saw a sunni newsletter about the month of muharram). but there are many sunnis who do remember ashura like us. we cant generalize. im not sure if they ALL believe matam is haram though.

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(bismillah)

I was going to close this thread; it’s troublesome and many have crossed the line, which exactly what happens when emotions take control – the exchange of slander and hearsay isn’t exactly what the initiator of the thread wanted.

The next person that posts slander and emotionally charged attacks will be taking a 14 day vacation; please guys; for the sake of the Prophet’s Son, show respect to each other.

(salam)

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Current day Sunnis from the West (youths) don't know anything about Karbala or any type of Islamic History. I would also include some Shi'as in this category as well.

Sunnis raised in east do know that on the 10 of Muharram they should refrain from doing things that are 'fun' they might not know why but they know its not a good day. It's likely that Shi'as in east have had some influence on Sunnis by 'banning' musical programs and replacing them with Majalis on the State run television.

Educated traditional Sunnis (not Salafi or Wahaabi) do know the significance of Muharram. In New York, one year during the Arabaeen Procession, Sunni store owners had a Sabeel (giving out refrshments to the matami).

Some Sunnis I know are shy, timid or feel out of place when going to Husainya/Imambargah. They have asked more for links or tapes of Majalis to listen to during the 10 days or so.

So it isn't as black and white as some have painted.

Wa Salaam,

Dhulfiqar

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(bismillah)

Good post Dhulfiqar, In Kuwait, Bahrain and Iraq; Sunnis attend the Hussainya gatherings; some of them even weep (and eventually convert) – Here in Halifax; many Sunnis, be them old men or Youths do attend (some of them even gently hit their chests) – So truly the picture isn’t Black and white as some might think.

P.S.

Il-Nino; I didn't delete your post :)

(salam)

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asalamu alaykum

here in bahrain , last year , about half or more of the tatbir were sunnis , and zanjeer , few sunnis do it too , like 3 out of the 10 ppl who do zanjeer

but it seems most of them are youths , who ppl say , want to show off

but i am not to judge

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asalamu alaykum

here in bahrain , last year , about half or more of the  tatbir were sunnis , and zanjeer , few sunnis do it too , like 3 out of the 10 ppl who do zanjeer

but it seems most of them are youths , who ppl say , want to show off

but i am not to judge

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If you're not here to judge, then there was no reason for you make the bolded comment.

Wa Salaam,

Dhulfiqar

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asalamu alaykum

i didnt put anything on bold , i use the fast reply and i dont think you can bold and all that on this , anyways , i didnt mean to , if it was bold and it appears normal to me , i dont know abt u

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Don't tell me about what they do in India and pakistan and call that Sunnism. I swear people in the Indian subcontinent think they are the center of the world. Have you ever talked to Sunnis from Africa or Southeast Asia? You'd find that they don't have any of those notions if you cared to expand your knowledge at all ,.....instead of promoting your own twisted stereotypes.

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(bismillah) (salam)

Well actually, bro/sis, there are certain sunnis who love the Prophet (pbuh) and his family and there are those 'munafiqeen' who deny the status of Imam Ali (as).

Perhaps I should refer to them as the munafiq sunnis but I guess that would be more offensive to some. People might think I'm generalizing 'munafiqat' with the sunni sect which is not the case.

Sorry.

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We do have speeches, usually in a local masjid on the 10th.

We mourn with tears.

Wsalaam

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:cry: :cry: :cry:

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by u i didnt mean u as in aashiq e rasul

i meant u as in shia...i know the bro is sunni.

i never said tears are a bida. tears are mercy and obviously natural. when ur sad u cry, when u lose someone u cry....its natural...thats not what i meant at all. my point was the matam and other aspects of the mourning which the sunnis DONT DO...thats what we consider bida. and no offense but i do question some of the crying done by the shia cause it seems to be almost on cue for some and rather manafactured than coming naturally but i guess its best to assume its natural no matter how fake it looks.

again to clarify i know the bro is sunni and i didnt mean him when i said "u" but was referring to shias, and i dont think tears/crying is bida but the matam and stuff + the ziayarats.

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(bismillah) (salam)

Sorry if this hurts - but after all you are a sunni. You don't know how much it hurts us.

To me it sounded like visiting your mother's grave would be bidah.

Yeah yeah.

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Well if the Indian molana lied about ''umar'' then so be it.  He'll pay for it.

HOWEVER the lies that sunnis spread about Shias - I'VE HEARD THEM MYSELF.

Imagine your coworker asking you ''bhai jaan (brother), I heard that you shia people stink like (cow [Edited Out]).  How come you don't?'' how would you feel (about the bughz and hatred in general)?  My hubby was asked this by a pathan bhai.

Also the sunni Punjabi lady whom I'd stayed with after the delivery of my daughter who's now ten months, mourns over Imam Hussain (as)'s martyrdom.  However even SHE asked us if we serve biryani with poured blood of zanjeer zani, or if we engage in family incest on the night of.........

And if we spit water that we serve to sunnis.

Yeah but you wouldn't care now would you?  Sorry.

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(salam)

There might be such isolated incidences, but rationally speaking it would be dishonesty to label all the sunnis of such filth. Most of the intellectuals (poets, scholars etc.) among them have shown great respect for Imam Husayn(as) by writting poetry and articles about the event of kerbala.

For instance, listen to this speech from Imam Musa of Washington (a sunni scholar) what he has to say about ahlulbayt(as) and kerbala.

http://www.podcastingnews.com/details/feed...odcast/view.htm

Its the sixth lecture in the above page.

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