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#1 Mehdia

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Posted 16 March 2003 - 12:18 AM

I would just lie to comment upon the apathy shown by the Shias in general and Pakistani Shias in particular about the killings of Shias going on in Pakistan. We all make tall claims about being followers of the Ahl-e- Bayt but infact we do nothing to emulate them. Shias living in Pakistan are facing immense hatred..people who do not live in Pakistan can get a feel of this hatred by visiting some of the websites run by these radicals. We are so disintegrated that we can not even condem in unision. I think we all need to unite and take some concrete measures.. I do not know what they are but we need to.. We some how need to pressurize the Pakistani government to tacle this matter once and for all..any suggestions how we can contribute to make the life safe for Pakistani Shias?

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Posted 16 March 2003 - 12:24 AM

List of Shias killed in Pakistan in targeted illings alone............. WE AS SHIAS NEED TO ACT...........

Ishrat Ali Mansoor Ali
S.Shahid Hussain S.Mohd Jaffri
Dr Haider Abbas S.Manzoor-ul-Hassan
S.Mohd Ahsan S.Rehmat Hussain
S.Sajid Hussain S.Imtiaz Mohsin
S.Shahid Hussain S.Abid Ali Jaffri
S.Naeem Raza Naqvi Mohd Ismail
Mir Sajjad Mohsin S.Ghulam Haider
Zahid Hussain S.Amir Hussain
S.Sami Hauder S.Hasnain Abbas
S.Zafar Abbas Mohd Saleem Jaffri
Komail Raza Abdul Hameed
Taqi Raza Gooani Amir Ali Marchant
Amir Hussain Mohd Mossa Habbib
Ghulam Nabi Mohd Hussain
Zahid Iqbal S.Noor-ul-Islam
Anwar Ali Biltistani Waris Ali Shah
S.Azhar Abbas S.Sadat Ali Shah
Raza Abbas S.Azhar Abbas
Toseef Raza Shujat Hussain
Dr Mohd Ali Ghulam Abbas
S.Mohd Hussain Ismat Hussain
Shabir Ali Mohd Hussain
S.Imtiaz Hussain Ghulam Mohd
S.Nasir Ahmed Sajjad Hussain Bang
S.Ashraf Ali Naqvi S.Jaffar Raza Naqvi
Mohd Hasnain Mohd Hassan
S.Tauqeer Raza Zaid Raza
Shafqat Ahsan Mohd Hussain
Athar Abbas Ghulam Hasnain
S.Shamim Haider Shokat Ali Bhojani
Raja Aslam Shakir Abbas
Hassan Asfar Dr Abul Qasim Jiva
S.Imran Abbas Mohd Ali
S.Anwar Imam Rizvi Tahir Abbas (Goga)
Jamil Hussain Bang Dilawar Hussain
Dr.Kausar Ali Habib Ali
S.Adeel Raza S.Waqar Raza Jaffri
S.Alam Mustafs Mohd Ali
S.Ghulam Haider Dr Nadeem ul Hassan
Dilawar Hussain Mohd Aqeel Hashmi
Ghulam Raza Ansar Hussain
S.Aly Mehdi Jaffri S.Nadeem Hussain
S.Munawar Hussain S.Hassan Abbas
Kamran Hussain Ali Abbas
S.Ali Kausar Zafar Abbas
S.Hassan Abid Jaffri Ali Alla Jaffry
S.Dilawar Abbas Faiz Hussain
S.Mujahid Ali S.Aali Jah
Hakim S Baqar S.Abid Hussain
Mohd Razi Ali Asghar
Kashif Manzoor S.Sibt-e-Hassan
S.Iftikhar Abbas Mirza Muzaffar
S.Nayab Haider Sarfaraz Ali
S.Fakher-e-Alam S.Javaid Iqbal Naqvi
S.Raza Abbas S.Akhtar Abbas
S.M Abbas Naqvi Ghulam Hussain
S.Sajjid Hussain Mohd Hussain
Javaid Abbas Faraz Raza
S.Mohd Abbas Naqvi S.Gulzar Hussain
S.Mushtaq Hussain Agha Massod Raza
Agha Mahmood Raza Agha Yasir Raza
Agha Asad Raza Dr Mehdi Hassan
Amir Raza Hassan Asghar
S.Saghir Raza Hameed Ali BhoJani
Basheer Mohd Taqi S.Bilgrami
Munir Hussain Mulana Ayub Ansari
Sher Mohd Rajab Ali
Anwar Abbas Mohd Hassan
Abbas Basheer Haji Jhulam Mohd
Mohd Ali Safdar Hussain
Sarfaraz Hussain Kamil Hussain
Baqar hussain Haider Ali Mirza
Mujeeb-ul-Hassan Mohd Hussain Biltis
S.Mubarak Raza Ghazanfar Abbas
Maisam Abbas Rehan
Danish Kazmi Baqar Kazmi
Ali Hassan Faraz Haider
S.Javaid Abbas Naqvi S.Javaid Abbas Kazmi.
Sabir hussain S.Mazhar Hussain
S.Tabassum Hassain S.Zafar Abbas Rizvi
Yawar Abbas Dr.Mohd Haider Babar
Dr.Parvaiz Akhtar Mirza Mohd Ali
S.Ghulam Haider Mirza Parvaiz Ali
S.Sarfaraz Haider S.Intezar Hussain
S.Ibn-e-Ali Zaidi S.Mohd Haider
Dr.S Mohd Saqlain S.Mohd Salman Naqvi
Dr.S Iqtidar Sajid Irfan Ali Hussaini
Dr.Shakir Hussain Mohd Aqeel Hashmi
Haji Saffar Ali Bangash Rajab Ali Bangash
S.Zaheer Abbas(Rizwan) Munir Hussain Bangash
S.Hasnain Abbas Zaidi Malik Mohd Nawaz
Nazeer Ahmed S.Zulfiqar Anwar Taqvi
S.Hasnain Naqvi S.Safdar Hussain
S.Aijaz Hussain Kazmi Basheer Ahmed
Jamshaid Hussain Amjad Hussain
Imtiaz Hussain Nasir Ali irani
S.Waqar Hussain Naqvi S.Irsad Hussain
S.Iqbal Hussain Dr.Saibtain Dosa
Ali Nawaz Sardar Hussain Jafri
Dr.S Mehtab Hussain Dr.Nayyar Hussain
Muslim Hussain Naiz Hussain
Kamal Hussain Agha Sheikh Sultani
Muzafar ali Kirmani Nazeer Abbas
Abbas Ali imtiaz Hussain
Sadiq Hussain Shah Abid Hussain Shah
Zahid Hussain Khawaja Anees Haider
Mulana Ather Hussain Dr.Raza Mehdi Jaffry
Dr.Mohd Raza Pirani Dr.Asad Bukhari
Fida Hussain Shaban Ali
Jawaid Mushtaq Haider
Shoukat Raza Mirza Salman Shah
S.Zafar Hussain Zaidi Mohd Hamid Rizvi
S.Ali Hasnain Naqvi Altaf Hussain Bangash
Molana Razi Haider Abbas Haider
S.Gul Imam Shah S.Hassan Ali Rizvi
Dr.Rashid Mehdi Azad Hussain
Sadiq Ali Hamshri Mohd Ramzan
Dr.Muzafar Ali samo Dr.Aly Safdar Zaidi
Anwar Tirmizi Zulfiqar Haider
S.Aly Raza Badar Abbas
Zafar Mehdi Zaidi Nazeer Hussain
S.Asghar Ali Zaidi Agha Haji Abbas
Danish Saibtain Malik Jawad Hussain
Liaqat Ali Gulzar Hussain Ghori
Mohd Younus Khwaja Mohd Munir
S.KamranAli Jafri Abdul Alla
S.Kashif Raza Naqvi Malik Mohd Hayat
Abdul Rahim Ghulam Haider Jaffri
Sardar Hussain Hussain Faqqir
Jawaid Ali M.Ilyas
Ghulam Naqi Jaffar Ali
Ghulam Ali S.Abdul Asghar
Muhib Ali Shair Ali
Muhammadi Amin Hussain
Afsar Ali Salman Ali
Hamid Hussain Akbar Hussain
S.Badshah Mir Ghulam
Noroz Ali Ghulam Ali
S.Shah Habib Abid Husssain
S.lal Hussain Rajjab Ali
Noor Qamar Ali Nabi
zahir Hussain Mushtaq Ali
Shabbir Hussain Khadim Hussain
Mirza Hussain Ahmed Hussain
Israr Hussain Ali Akber
Qasim Ali Jawad Hussain
Haji Mohd Akber Nadir Ali
Aashiq Hussain Mir Ali
Imdad Hussain Jammal Hussain
S.Mohd Ibrahim S.Abdul Hassan
Eijaz Hussain S.Mohd Alim
Mohsin Ali Ghulam Abbas
Ghulam Hassan Khudad
Shafa Ali Abdul Azim
M Gul M Haniof
Abdullah M Shafiq
Shah Rais Mushkan
Shaban Ali Asghar Ali
Rustam Khan Muzafar Ali
Qasim Shah S Mu. Kazim
Hussain Ali M Rafiq
Sultan Meer Jafar Ali
Fida Hussain Dakan Shah
Baqar Shah Badshah
Naimat Ali Manzoor Hussain
Kush Khan Asghar Shah
Gahfoor Badshah
M Sharif Khan Shadit Noor
Akbar Khan Ain Ali
Ali Muhammad Ghulam Hussain
Zaid Allah Lou Khan
Ahsan Ali Ghulam Haider
Naib Khan Abdullah
Abdul Rahman Jouhar Khan
Bakhtiar Khan M Khan
Ali Yaar Mohabbat Shah
Roshan Khan Jafar Ali
Habib Allah Khudad (mulku)
Rozi Khan M Ali
Mosa Asghar Ali
Ali Gohar Wilayat Khan
Kush Meer Shah Mirza
Ali Ghulam Ali Muhammad
Habib Allah Akbar Ali
Abu Mohsin Ali Raza
Maharban Ali Ali Jaan
Hajat Meer M Latif Hussain
Rajab Ali Naib Shah
Qasim Shah S Shams ud din
Abdul Rahman Wazir Shah
Nasir Hussain Shakoor Ali
Wajid Ali Meer Afzal
M Ali Ahsan Ali
Zakir Hussain Mulana Shafaqat Ali
Aijaz Hussain Shar Muhammad
M Hassan Rajab Ali
Ghulam Haider Shakoor Ali
M Ashraf Khan Ahmad Khan
Naiber Hussain Safat Shah
Rais Khan Firdos Ali
Mosa Iqbal Hussain
Syed Molazim Hussain Syed Zawar Hussain
Mahmood Hussain Syed Hamid Hussain
Syed Mubarak Zahor Mehdi Molana Sajjad Hussain
Alama Mohd Mazher-ul-Haq Syed Riaz Hussain Rizvi
Mohd Yousf Allah Didta
Allah Buksh Sher Mohd
Mohd Nawaz Syed Ali Shah
Nasir Hussain Bhatti Ch. Mukhtar Hussain
Ch. Irshad Hussain Sirdar Ali
Abdul Salam Abdul Rahim
Ali Ahmed Akber Ali
Mohd. Azhar S.Amir Haider
Dr. Manzar Hussain Dr. Ali Hussain
Dr.Syed Tanveer Hussain S. Shaukat Hussain
Ali Raza Ashiq Hussain
Syed Ashawak Hussain Gulam Shabir
Tubasum Raza Syed Amir Hussain Shah
Syed Shamshad Ali Riaz Hussain
Ejaz Hussain Aashiq Hussain
Niaz Hussain Ghulam Hussain
Ejaz Abbas Talib Hussain
Kausar Raza Molana Kazim Hussain
Syed Ejaz Hussain Safdar Abbas
Malik Ghazanfar Ali M. Hassan
Ghulam Abbas Khizar Abbas
S. Ghulam Shabbir Zawar Hussain s/o. Natho
Zafar Abbas Zawar Hussain s/o.Mohd.Buksh
Mukhtar Hussain Khuda Bakhs
S. Intizar Haider Mazhar Abbas
Talib Hussain M. Salim
Ghulam Abbas M. Aslam Baralve
Farzand Ali Shahid Imran
Jafar Hussain Khadim Hussain
Sadiq Hussain Faiz Muhammad
Ghulam Shabbir Munwar Ali
S. Mujhaid Hussain S. Mozam Abbas
S. Mahmood Hussain Shah Nasir Abbas
Manzoor Hussain Makhtar Hussain
S. Mohsim Raza S. Qurban
Mirza Mukhtar Hussain Mazhar Hussain
Ali Nawaz Sadiq Hussain
Allah Ditta Molana Aijaz Hussain
M. Hussain Shah Azadar Hussain
M. Serfraz Mukhtar Hussain s/o.G.Mohd
S.Amir Abbas Mohd. Habib
Sultan Mahmood Tahir Hussain Sial
Malik Riaz Hussain Yaser Mehdi
S. Fida Hussain Abdul Ghaffar
Zamin Abbas Sheikh Imran
Ejaz Hussain Imtiaz Hussain
S. Qasim Ali S. Younus Hussain
Nayar Abbas Qureshi Alamdar Hussain
Faiz Hussain Tahir Hussain
S.Intesar-ul-Hassan Mukhtar Hussain
Mukhtar Ahmad Raja Mohd. Iqbal
S. Haider Hussain Molana Maqbool Hussain
Molana Nasir Hussain S. Mohd Hussain
Murid Abbas Yazdani S. Tajammul Abbas
Raja Nasrullah Khan S. Maher Hussain
Molana Ghlam Hussain Naeemi S Ali Zaidi
S Abid Hussain S Haider Abbas Zaidi
Sh. Barkat Ali Sh. Imran Haider
S. Riaz Hussain Jafferi Malik Muhammad Sarwar
Dr. Imdad Hussain S. Taqi Mohsin
S. Ali Abid Ghulam Jafar
Anwar Ali S. Gulzar Hussain
S. Ashraf Ali Farzand Ali
Naveed Islam Zamir Hussain
Zulfiqar Ali Rasool Ghafoor Malang
Akram Khan Kazim Hussain
Arif Butt Rehmatullah
Sirdar Mohd Baba Pathan Tokriawala
S.Hasnain Shah Vakil Abrar Ahmed Zaidi
S. Iftekhar Ali Shah S. Afzal Hussain Shah
S. M. Akhtar Sherazi Mazaher Hussain
Tariq Mahmood M. Ashfaq
Kalu Khan Rab Nawaz
Jawaid Hussain Musharf Hussain
Mazhar Khan S. Fazal Hussain
Molana Allah Nawaz Fayaz Hussain Haidery
Abdul Rashid M Ashraf
Raiz Hussain M Ali
Fayaz Hussain Iftekhar Hussain
Samiullah Arif Hussain
Abdul Rashid 10 Momenin shaheed
Kefaiat s/o. Wilayat Akhtar Abbas
Ghader Ali S. Hassan Ali Kazmi
Fazal Abbas Dildar hussain
Mukhdom Zada S.Sibtain Raza
Syed Ghulam Hussain Bakar Hussain
Mukhdom Zaidi Mohd Ali
Faqire Mohd Dildar Hussain
D10/or Rayyaz Hussain S.Farrukh Birjees Haider
Hakim Sheraz Hussain Ali Rahimi
Zulqarnain Haider Haji Ayub Ali Siddiqui
Akhtar Hussain Siddiqui S. Irshad Hussain
Syed Abdul Majeed Rizvi Ahmed Yaar
Syed Fayyaz Hussain Mazher khomeni
Syed Qurban Ali Mumtaz-ul-Hasan s/o. G.Nabi
Sheikh Makhsood Hussain Amer Raza
Nawab Din Mumtaz-al-Hasan khokhar
Sajjad Hader S.Hassan Abbas
S. Fayaz-ul-Hassan Mushtaq Hussain
Azadar Hussain Sajjad Hussain
Khurshid Hussain Syed Ghulam Hussain
Khairat Hussain Syed Qamer Hadari
Kalandari Abbas Fayyaz Hussain Jaffery
Sahb Yar Akbar Hussain Jaffery
Haji Anwer Hayyat Zulfiqar Hussain
Ghulam Shabir Khizer Abbas
Syed Ali Hussain Qazmi Fayyaz Bohkhari
Sajjad Haidar Syed Muslim Hussain Rizvi
Akhber Ali Jaffery Shah Nawaz Perzada
Usman Ali Syed Zawir Hussain
Molana Karram Hussain Ghagoi Hafiz Mumtaz Hussain
Syed Taqi Raza Sajjad Haider
Wasim Ahmed Syed Tauqir Hussain
Haji Abid Hussain Mohd Raffiq
Ali Hussain Syed Fazal Hussain
Ghulam Qadir Patthanea Khan
Rajjab Ali Ishwak Hussain
Riaz Hussain Afzal Ali
Iqbal Hussain Tunweer Hussain
Mohd Zulfikar Ali Mohd Asif Ali
Sabir Hussain Allahi Shah
Riaz Hussain Nadir Hussain
Qaiser Abbas Liaqat Hussian
Mohd Hanif Shah Allah Didtta
Allah Bugsh Pearan Ditta
Fazal Hussain Allah Dawaya
Mohd Raffiq Haji Abid Hussain
Afzal Ali Syed Tauqir Hussain
Syed Fazal Hussain Sajid Hussain
Shahid Hussain Mushtak Hussain
Iashad Hussain Syed Najam-al-Hasan
Haji Ahmad Salwan S. Hussain Shah
Pir Syed Mohd. Hussain S. Adnan Shah
Syed Shabir Hussain Syed Amir Asadullah
Shaikh Fida Hussain Syed Shojauat Hussain
Irshat Hussain Mohd Bakar Shah
Latiaf Shah Ghulam Sarwer
Abdul Majeed Hassan Raza
Mohammad Raza Sakhi Rehman
S. Shafauat Dr. S. Tabeu Hussain
Malik Shaheen Haider Awan Syed Zawir Hussain
Syed Aqeel Hussain Syed Shazad Hussain
Syed Shokat Hussain Chaman Ali
Syed Mobushir Ali Qamer Ali
Molana Mureed Abbas Aun Mohd Rizvi
Ghulam Mustafa Haider Dr.Qaiser Abbas Sial
Manzoor Ahmad Mohammad Ismael
Tajamul Hassan Jafri Syed Wajahat Naqvi
Moharram Ali Dr. Mohd. Ali Naqvi
Taqi shaheed Talib Karpalvi
Abdul Karim Mushtaq S.Zulfiqar Hussain Naqvi
S. Amar Haider Liaquat
Mohd. Ilyas Sadiq Ganji
Talib Karpalvi S. Tanseer Haider
Raja Iqbal Allama Abbas Yazdani
24 Momenin shaheed Faiaz Haideri
S. Sibt-e-Hassan Qamar Zaidi
Zulfiqar Hussain Mian Nanha
M. Hussain S. Mohd. Munawar Zaidi
Alhaj Syed Sikander Hussain S. Tahir Hussain
Farzand Ali M. Sibtain
Ch. Zafar Ali Siddique Abbas
Sheikh Mohd. Raza S. Qulzum Hussain
Sirfraz Hussain Molana Riaz ul Hassan
24 Momenin shaheed Mohsin Naqvi
S. Nasir Hussain M. Arshad
Sh. Sajjad Ahmed Sibtain Raza
Sajid Gilani Syed Sikandar Hussain shah
Hakim Salamat Jaferi Malik Samar Hussain
Dr. Afzal Shams Per Shakor Jaferi
Ghulam Mustafa Jaferi Sair Rizvi
Malik Iqbal Hussain S. Zulfiqar Naqvi
Dr. Baqar Zaidi Shakoor Ali
S. Anwar Ali Shah S. Saghir Abbas
Haji Malik Noor Alam S.Ali Raza
S.Asad Abbas Malik Ghulam Jilani
S. Akhtar Hussain Malik hassan Abbas
Hussain Ahmed Ahmed Raza
Amir Raza mohd Ashraf
Mohd. Ejaz Mukhtar Hussain Constable
S.Hassan Abbas S.Ghulam Hussain
Syed Amir Hussain Ejaz Hussain

Some of the names of People Killed in Pakistan... they are the people who have been killed in targeted kinnling..not in Imambarghas or Juloos.. I think now we can get the idea of the immensity of this problem..

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 01:20 AM

Ghulam Mustafa Jafri Advocate Supreme Court

He was my martyr Uncle and was martyred by Sipah e Yazeed (Laeen) because he had some cases of Ghulam Raza Naqvi of Sipah Muhammad. Some unknown terrorist fired from behind and bullet passed through his head. This occurred on 06-6-1997

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Posted 22 June 2008 - 04:45 AM

Some unknown terrorist fired from behind and bullet passed through his head.


The cowards always attack like that. It could also mean that your uncle knew the attacker, so he fired from behind to keep his identity as safe as possible.

I wish my name gets added in that list of martyrs. But a part of me also wishes to send a good bunch of them to hell first. To see them squeal like pigs while I personally hand them over to 'Azraeel (as) and so frequently that he gets annoyed of me bugging him again and again. I wonder if I'll get tired of it at all.

If I would get martyred, and hence immortalized, while laughing and I'll be thereon completely free of the trickery of wives, selfish friends, credit card bills, etc., what can be better than that?

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 08:59 AM

I would just lie to comment upon the apathy shown by the Shias in general and Pakistani Shias in particular about the killings of Shias going on in Pakistan. We all make tall claims about being followers of the Ahl-e- Bayt but infact we do nothing to emulate them. Shias living in Pakistan are facing immense hatred..people who do not live in Pakistan can get a feel of this hatred by visiting some of the websites run by these radicals. We are so disintegrated that we can not even condem in unision. I think we all need to unite and take some concrete measures.. I do not know what they are but we need to.. We some how need to pressurize the Pakistani government to tacle this matter once and for all..any suggestions how we can contribute to make the life safe for Pakistani Shias?


Thank you for writing regarding killing of Shia people in Pakistan. Which been happening for last 100's of years, and no one did anything to protect shia people not only in Pakistan but also in other So-called Muslim countries. It started since 1734 or lettle later when Wahaabism was created by British spy in Middle East.
Nothing can be done to protect shia people, because government of Pakistan has been run by the criminal and funded by criminals. Saudi and the Americans are the most criminal on this earth, Pakistan has been funded by those two. Please read following which is out of my own book which will be completed next year.
Sura Maida para 6 and H number 51 Allah says
Oye ho Believer Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and Protectors.
They are not your friends and protectors, but they are friends and protectors of each other’s. And he amongst you who turns to” them for friendship” He is one of them.

The Islam by Christian British spy
(Ahmad Jawdat Pasha, a statesman, and Ayyub Sabri Pasha [d. 1308 (1890 A.D.)], Rear-Admiral during the time of the thirty-fourth Ottoman sultan 'Abd al-Hamid Khan II [1258-1336 (1842-1918), buried in the shrine of Sultan Mahmud in Istanbul] (rahmat-Allahi ta'ala 'alaihim), each wrote a history book, in which they explained Wahhabism in full detail. The following is derived, for the most part, from the latter's book, who translated this information from Ahmad Zaini Dahlan's book "Fitnat al-Wahhabiyya." He passed away in 1308 (1890 A.D.). Wahhabism was established by Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab. He was born in Huraimila in Najd in 1111 (1699 A.D.) and died in 1206 (1791 A.D.). Formerly, he had been to Basra, Baghdad, Iran, India and Damascus with a view to traveling and trade. He was in Basra when, in 1125 [1713 A.D.], he succumbed to a snare set by Hempher, who was only one of the numerous British spies, and served as a tool in the British plans to (destroy Islam). He published the absurdities prepared by the spy in the name of Wahhabism. The book Confessions of A British Spy gives detailed information on the establishment of Wahhabism. There he found and read books written by Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya of Harran [661-728 (1263-1328), d. in Damascus], the contents of which were incompatible with the Ahl as-Sunnat. Being a very cunning person, he became known as ash-Shaikh an-Najdi. His book Kitab at-tawhid[35] ,which he prepared in cooperation with the British spy, was annotated by his grandson, 'Abd ar-Rahman, and was interpolated and published in Egypt with the title Fat'h al-majid by a Wahhabi called Muhammad Hamid. Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab's ideas spread among villagers, the inhabitants of Dar'iyya and their chief, Muhammad ibn Su'ud. Those who accepted his ideas, which he termed Wahhabiyya, are called Wahhabis or Najdis. They increased in number, and he imposed himself as the Qadi and Muhammad ibn Su'ud as the amir (ruler). He declared it as a law that only their own descendants should succeed them).
Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab
The founder of Wahhabism, Mohammad Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab studied in Basra (in southern Iraq) and is reported to have developed his reformist ideas there. He is reported to have studied in Mecca and Medina while there to perform Hajj before returning to his home town of Uyayna in 1740. After his return to 'Uyayna, Ibn Abd al-Wahhab began to attract followers there, including the ruler of the town, Uthman ibn Mu'ammar. With Ibn Mu'ammar's support, Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab began to implement some of his ideas such as leveling the grave of Zayd ibn al-Khattab, a companion of the Muslim prophet Muhammad, and ordering that an adulteress be stoned to death. These actions were disapproved of by Sulaiman ibn Muhammad ibn Ghurayr of the tribe of Bani Khalid, the chief of Al-Hasa and Qatif, who held substantial influence in Najd and ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab was expelled from 'Uyayna. Ibn Abd al-Wahhab was invited to settle in neighboring Dir'iyya by its ruler Muhammad ibn Saud in 1740 (1157 AH), two of whose brothers had been students of Ibn Abd al-Wahhab. Upon arriving in Diriyya, a pact was made between Ibn Saud and Ibn Abd al-Wahhab, by which Ibn Saud pledged to implement and enforce Ibn Abd al-Wahhab's teachings, while Ibn Saud and his family would remain the temporal imams ("leaders") of the movement. Beginning in the last years of the 18th century Ibn Saud and his heirs would spend the next 140 years mounting various military campaigns to seize control of Arabia and its outlying regions, before being attacked and defeated by Ottoman forces. One of their most famous and controversial attacks was of Karbala in 1217/1802. There, according to a Wahhabi chronicler `Uthman b. `Abdullah b. Bishr, Wahhabis "scaled the walls, entered the city and killed the majority of its people in the markets and in their homes." They "destroyed the dome placed over the grave of al-Husayn" and took as booty "whatever they found inside the dome and its surroundings. .... the grille surrounding the tomb which was encrusted with emeralds, rubies, and other jewels and different types of property, weapons, clothing, carpets, gold, silver, precious copies of the Qur'an." In the early 20th Century, the Wahhabist-oriented Al-Saud dynasty conquered and unified the various provinces on the Arabian peninsula, founding the modern day Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932. This provided the movement with a state. Vast wealth from oil discovered in the following decades, coupled with Saudi control of the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, have since provided a base and funding for Wahhabi missionary activity.
For more than two centuries, Wahhabism has been Saudi Arabia's dominant faith. It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran. Strict Wahhabis believe that all those who don't practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam because Wahhabism was created by none Muslim, who was British Spy in the middle East to distroy Islam and helpping to, point to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Wahhabism's explosive growth began in the 1970s when Saudi government and charities started funding Wahhabi schools (madras’s) and mosques from Islamabad to all over the world.
If you go to school in Saudi Arabia, what do you learn about people who are not followers of Wahhabi.
The religious curriculum in Saudi Arabia teaches you that people are basically two sides: Salafis [Wahhabis], who are the winners, the chosen ones, who will go to heaven, and the rest. The rest are Muslims and Christians and Jews and others. They are either kafirs, who are deniers of God, or mushrak, putting gods next to God, or enervators, that's the lightest one. The enervators of religion who are they call the Sunni Muslims who ... for instance, celebrate Prophet Mohammed's birthday, and do some stuff that is not accepted by Salafis. It is abious that Wahhabi will not accept Sunni Muslims as Muslim because, Wahhabism it self is not Islam created by Christians and supported by Jews and Christians This ideology is put in to Muslims to distroy Islamic values. And all of these people are not accepted by Salafi as Muslims. As I said, "claimant to Islam." And all of these people are supposed to be hated, to be persecuted, even killed. And we have several clergy -- not one Salafi clergy -- who have said that against the Shi'a and against the other Muslims. And they have done it in Algeria, in Afghanistan. This is the same ideology. They just have the same opportunity. They did it in Algeria and Afghanistan. For example of what the [religious teaching is in the schools of Saudi? Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. “This is a hadif that I truly can not say that I have seen or read in The Quran. The following words are in the Hadif the book they teach in school and I believe it's not true, as a Muslim: "The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me.

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Posted 26 October 2008 - 10:40 AM

assalam alekum,ya Ali a.s madat
br imdad shah first of all i would like to wish you good luck on your imminent book,and also lik to say well written article especially using verses of the holy quaran,the holy prophet s.a.w. in his last testament stated as you know very well,but i will quote it for those people who are not aware of the last testament of the holy prophet s.a.w ,on the conclusion of the lenghtly sermon the holy prophet s.a.w stated"i leave behind me two weighty things book of Allah and my progancy"you have quite rightly pointed out that Jews and the christians are the enemy of Islam , present day isreals allies and the saudi whabies allies being the enemy of islam and the muslims .
now my question to all brothers and sisters in iman is, this the shias have always been persecuted for their belief ever since the holy prophet s.a.w declared maula ali a.s as walli,wasi,khalifa,and the shian e ali ibn e abu talib a.s followed this testament,the cursed bani ummayid
and the cursed bani abbasi clan spent their entire time and energy oppressing the holy al e bait a.s and their shias (followers),i would like to draw your attention
to a fact and that is, has shias we will continue to follow the teaching of the holy prophet s.a.w and believe in maula ali a.s as walli,wasi,khalifa of the holy prophet of islam s.a.w,inspite of 15 centuries of oppression and tyranny we have been very strong because we wave held on to our aqida,the holy quaran bears statement, during the battle of mecca when the muslim were out numbered and out armed,were granted victory because the muslim were strong in faith,
now we definitely need to unite in order to be strong again,whenever things go wrong and people always say its back to the drawing board or back to the roots this is from the experances of time and we need to go back to our roots to being shian e Ali ibn e abu talib a.s,to which we held onto in spite of zulm(tyranny) by the evil despots such as moavia l.a,yazid l.a bani ummayid l.a bani abbasid l.a,after all what these despotic tyrants wanted was that we mazallah denounce maula Ali a.s as maula,now also from the teaching of the holy prophet s.a.w that only halali can love maula Ali a.s,like umar,abu bakar and usman who penetrated the true companions of the holy prophets s.a.w such as salaman r.a.abu zar r.a owais e kirne r.a and many others
we have been infiltrated by munafiks mukasirs munkars in modern day shiat ranks,they are easily recognized by their sermons and fatwas,they preach the same haterate of maula Ali a.s as umar bakar usman moavia yazid,by denouncing the holy name of maula Ali a.s in kalama ,namaz or majlises these mullas are not shias or sunnis but haramis,
as shias let us get back to our roots, the teaching of the holy prophet s.a.w of islam and see the holy name maula Ali a.s as "ibadat" and not mazallah "batal" as the mukisar and munafiq mulla is preaching today even in shias mosques and imam barghas ,looking at history only a small minority have held stadfast at the time of an crisis and it is the small minority that i am appeling to stand up and curse these harami mukasir mullas in your local mosques and imam barghas,we need to fight the enemy within befor we fight our external enemy
waasalam

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 07:29 PM

Ya Ali a.s madat

Thank you for reading my article, I like to expand from here who is responsible of Shia killing in Pakistan. If any one who is looking for an avoidance I can provide, all I can request to all the brothers and sisters the present time is for logical thinking. Now is the time to stick together and pick out the enemy of Allay Mohammed (A.S)
Pakistan's support for terrorism is an interesting story.
Pakistan has a history of being run by the most corrupt governments in Asia and/or crazy dictators, whether Benazir Bhutto or Nawaz Sharif or the various military establishments that deposed them. Pervez Musharraf was a general who seized power in 1999 with broad approval from a population totally disgusted by politicians. Musharraf made progress in several areas, but had to cope with a legacy that is basically a national catastrophe. The source of its problems are two: the Arab countries and the USA. The Arab countries sponsored Islamic groups fighting India in Kashmir and the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The USA co-sponsored the groups fighting the Soviet Union. The remnants of those wars are there to haunt the whole world: Osama Bin Laden (empowered by the USA and Saudi Arabia), the Taliban (installed by Pakistan and funded by the Arabs and armed by the US) and the so-called terrorist organizations in Kashmir. Musharraf had three key problems to solve that affect the entire world: the ISI, the Kashmir militants and the nuclear secrets. They all originate from the quarrel with India over Kashmir that began in 1948, yet another proof that the USA cannot ignore distant regional crises: they eventually come back to haunt you.
1. They key agency behind all these operations has been the Inner Services Intelligence (ISI) that was trained and beefed up with help from the CIA. The ISI has become a dangerous mix of ambitious nationalists and religious extremelists. The ISI sponsored both the mujaheddin who fought against the Soviet Union and the Taliban that fought against the mujaheddin. The ISI has become so influential that the government of Pakistan had to recognize the Taliban (one of the few countries to do so) and defend them when world-wide criticism started mounting in 1999. The ISI used Afghanistan as a training camp for the terrorists that it was using against India in Kashmir.
2. Kashmir has always been a thorny problem for every Pakistani government since India refused to let Kashmir freely choose its future. Pakistan fought war after war with India over Kashmir and it is hard not to sympathize, since India always refused to allow a referendum in Kashmir. Unfortunately, Indian stupidity has basically helped create anti-Indian extremism within Pakistan. Today, there are at least three major Muslim groups fighting for the liberation of Kashmir: the Lashkar-e-Toiba, the Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen and the Hizbul Mujahedeen. All of them have been trained in Pakistan and Afghanistan, by either the ISI or Osama Bin Laden's Al Qaeda. The Lashkar-e-Toiba is the militant wing of a religious organization, Markaz Dawa-ul-Arshad, that was founded in 1987 with Arab money and based in a Pakistani town (it runs schools, factories, mines), whose objective is not only the liberation of Kashmir but also "jihad". The Lashkar-e-Toiba has enrolled large numbers of volunteers from Arab countries and from Pakistan, just like Al Qaeda. In August the Lashkar-e-Toiba unleashed a terrorist campaign against India that killed nearly 100 hindus and attacked the Indian parliament. In october 1999 Osama bin Laden had called for a jihad against India and this acts seem to be the logical consequence of that call. It almost sounds like, defeated in Afghanistan by the USA, so-called Muslim terrorists are now shifting their attention to India. 3. Another effect of India's stupidity has been the development of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. As India pursued its nuclear ambitions, Pakistan had to follow suit. China helped Pakistan build its own nuclear facility. Pakistan tested its first nuclear bomb in may 1998, the first Muslim country to do so, a reason for national pride. Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood used to be the director of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) and the chief designer of the country's main nuclear reactor. In 1999 opposition to the treaty banning nuclear tests became a holy cause for Muslims worldwide and particularly in Pakistan. Mahmood was active in promoting that cause in the newspaper Nawa-e-Waqt (the same newspaper that opposes collaboration with the USA and claims the World Trade Center was blown up by Israel, which in the way could be right). In 1999 Pakistan decided to sign the treaty and stop nuclear tests. Mahmood immediately quit and founded an Afghan relief agency, the Ummah Tameer-e-Nau (Muslim Community Reconstruction), with strong ties to the Taliban government and to the charity organization Al Rashid Trust, that in turn has ties to Al Qaeda (Osama Bin Laden). Almost all the contributors to Mahmood's charity are wealthy Arabs. Now the USA suspects that Mahmood has provided nuclear information to Osama Bin Laden. Apparently, a search of UTN's offices in Afghanistan yielded terrorist plans and documents about building nuclear weapons. These were difficult problems for Musharraf to solve. They were compounded by internal problems that are not less titanic: 55% of Pakistani adults are illiterate (Arab "friends" spend millions to indoctrinate youths to fight in the name of Islam but nobody spends a penny to teach how to read and write to millions of children), drug addiction has become a widespread problem in the areas bordering Afghanistan and Kashmir, child mortality is one of the highest in the world, and most of the rural population is always on the verge of famine and at the mercy of all sorts of diseases.
These all factors that, in most countries, would trigger a revolution and favor the radical parties. Luckily, the Pakistani people have shown a level of wisdom that is rarely found around the world: the good news is that the religious so-called extremists in Pakistan never fetch more than a handful of votes. This seems to be yet another example of Arab interference. Pakistan would probably be a much more quiet and responsible country without all the money that Arabs lavish on the religious institutions for the purpose of sponsoring Islamic terrorism.
Musharraf was the first Pakistani leader who seems serious about fixing all these problems, problems that were largely caused by the interference of other countries. Musharraf removed a few ISI officials and begun to cut off support for Kashmiri so-called terrorists. Unfortunately, India is currently run by an idiotic nationalist who was making Musharraf's job a lot harder than it should be. After this I will bring Mr Zia-UL- Haq who was real enemy of Islam and of Pakistan. Any one who would like to or who would want to criticise me you are most welcome in civilised manner.

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 05:26 PM

because the governments are corrupt doesn't that mean we should make our own shia army lik the iraqis and lebanese have and clean out wahabis from pakistan and afghanistan?????
dey killing and raping our bros n sistrs and government doesnt do jack so shouldn shia take it in their own hands??

Edited by ali01, 04 December 2008 - 05:27 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2008 - 06:10 PM

How Zia-ul-haq made millions
May 4: Pakistan's former president, the late Gen Zia-ul-Haq and his close associates had made ``untold millions'' from the illicit heroin trade, according to a new book. ``They earned more than Rs 20,000 crore per annum. The United States Government looked over Zia's involvement in heroin trade because he was needed to carry on US war against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan. ``It was only after the withdrawal of Soviet forces that the USA made a hue and cry of Pakistan's involvement in narcotics trade and trafficking publicly,'' the book Drugs, Youth and Society says. The book, comprising 14 contributions from eminent personalities, is edited by Dr Madan C Paul of the Adult, Continuing Education and Extension Unit of the Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) here.
``The drug barons are also smuggling drugs and financing the separatists in Kashmir, Punjab and other places of India. They are financing the pro-Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) Afghan groups in Afghanistan. ``It is said that a major part of Punjab terrorism is linked to drugs. Linkages between Pakistan and Indian drug traffickers may be existing under the cover of Khalistani movements and Pakistani drug mafia's support to it,'' it alleges. The book calls the ``heroinization'' of Pakistan a serious threat to the political stability of the sub-continent. The enormous illegal profits generated by the drug syndicates are used in the black economy. It is also said to be mostly used in political manipulation and elections, bureaucratic corruption, building up of parallel power centres, extravagant lifestyle of a few, investment in real estates, assassination of opponents, group rivalries and support of trans-national terrorist movements. ``For example, Gen Zia's assassination and the fall of Benazir Bhutto's first elected government (1991) were said to be linked with the machinations of Pakistani drug barons,'' the book says. It says that an anti-drug top leader, Allama Arif Al-Hussaini was also killed by drug mafia in 1988 as he was campaigning against the flourishing drug business ``under the patronage of retired Lt Gen Fazal Haq (Gen Zia-ul-Haq's confidant in heroin trade) in Frontier Province.'' The book says that the south-west Asia (the Golden Crescent region) now accounts for nearly 30 per cent of the world's illicit opium and south-east Asia (the Golden Triangle region) produces nearly 68 per cent. It is said that about 75 per cent of the heroin seized in the European market originates from south-west Asia. Most of the heroin is transported overland via Turkey, Bulgaria and Hungary, that is via the Balkan route through India, when the Balkan route was obstructed by the Russian military presence in Afghanistan. It is said that Pakistan had virtually no heroin addict till 1980. By 1988, the number of the addicts had risen to one million. It is estimated now that there are two to three million addicts in Pakistan out of a population of 117 million. Thus from a heroin-free country in 1980, Pakistan today is widely getting recognised as the `kingdom of heroin'. Pakistan today produces 80 tonne of heroin per annum. The biggest source of opium, the raw material of heroin, is in neighbouring Afghanistan. United Nations figures as saying that the production of the crop in Afghanistan is 2,000 tonne per annum. Almost all the laboratories refining opium into heroin are located in the tribal belt along the Pak-Afghan border, where the writ of Pakistan law does not run. It is said that some of Pakistan's most notorious drug barons live in this lawless tribal area. India, a transit route for drugs trafficking for long, is also fast becoming a potential market of consumers. zia-ul-Haq not only enemy of Pakistan also he is the ememy of Islam, the problem we have today in sawat Vally it was created by the Zia. When he put Afgha there and kill many Shia and many was displaced to make way for the Afgha, these are the people who are Telaban today. We last alot of shia people in his time but most of all we last one of the best Allama in our time Allama Arif Al-Hussaini.

Edited by Imdad Shah, 04 December 2008 - 06:25 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2008 - 06:27 PM

Ya Ali M

As promised that I will bring out the enemy of Islam and Pakistan here is lettle more for you guys to read.

Why Bhutto returned to Pakistan?
Sura Maida para 6 and H number 51 Allah says
Oye ho Believer Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and Protectors.
They are not your friends and protectors, but they are friends and protectors of each other’s. And he amongst you who turns to” them for friendship” He is one of them.

Why Benazir Bhutto returned to Pakistan? Because she thought she have a chance of achieving a political comeback. Bhutto and President Pervez Musharraf have been talking about sharing power. Although they despise one another, Pakistan's political ferment means they have interests in common. Why was she in exile in the first place? Bhutto left Pakistan for self-imposed exile in Dubai and London in 1999. She was sacked as Prime Minister in 1996 after leading a government mired in alleged corruption. Afterwards, the new administration under her bitter rival, Nawaz Sharif, pursued her relentlessly, jailing her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, and launching case after case against her. Facing numerous corruption charges - all of which she denied - Bhutto was effectively hounded into exile. What were her chances of returning to power? Not very good. Bhutto led the PPP into parliamentary elections, which was held by January 2008. Her party couldn’t win. Because in 2008, the constitution bars anyone from serving a third term as Prime Minister. This will have to be amended before election. Why do many Pakistanis supported her? Bhutto's father, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, was a populist prime minister in the 1970s. He was overthrown by General Zia-ul-Haq in 1977 and hanged two years later. Bhutto earned a reputation because of her father by opposing General Zia's regime. What was she standing for? Bhutto poses as a modernising, pro-Western, secular leader devoted to building a democratic Pakistan and helping the West. Critics say that she believed in nothing but winning power. What was she promising this time? Bhutto has gone out of her way to assure the West she can deal with Pakistan's terrorist threat. In particular, she has pledged to drive Al Qaida's core leadership from the tribal areas lining the Northwest frontier. Was she able to deliver? Her pass record was not encouraging. Bhutto achieved virtually nothing during her two terms as Prime Minister. In her second premiership, between 1993 and 1996, Pakistan effectively created the Taliban and helped it to seize most of Afghanistan. So is there any cause for optimism? Possibly. Bhutto had real popular support. She could have emerged as that rare species - a friend of the West who Pakistani people actually liked. THURSDAY, DECEMBER 27, 2007, Benazir Bhutto, the former Pakistani Prime Minister, was killed in a gun and suicide bomb attack at an election rally in the city of Rawalpindi. At least 16 others were also killed in the attack with another report saying at least 20 bodies were seen after the explosion, which triggered violent protests across the country. Bhutto, 54, was proclaimed dead after she was taken to the Rawalpindi General Hospital. During her second term that Pakistan helped the Taliban seize power in Afghanistan from Zia-ul-Haq to Benazir Bhutto 1977 to 1996. It was also during those years that the war in Kashmir was largely subcontracted to the Islamic so-called extremists. Instead of a political issue, Kashmir became a religious issue. In fact, many Kashmiri fighters were no longer from Kashmir at all. There were Arabs, and there were many Pakistanis from other regions that had been trained by the secret services: most of them came from religious institutions and were fighting not for the self-determination of Kashmir but for a holy war against the infidels. The very people she had created apparently killed her: So-called Islamic terrorism. She was only the one-millionth victim of those people. The world will not miss her.

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Posted 05 December 2008 - 08:37 AM

because the governments are corrupt doesn't that mean we should make our own shia army lik the iraqis and lebanese have and clean out wahabis from pakistan and afghanistan?????
dey killing and raping our bros n sistrs and government doesnt do jack so shouldn shia take it in their own hands??


Thanks for your Idea, but Brother killing will not solve anything, only we can solve things if we can educate our people. Also become business community.
We can be very successful if we stop fighting among ourselves and create very strong educated and business community.

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 02:27 PM

Mumbai attackThe South Asian region has been a flashpoint particularly since the independence of India and Pakistan which created two rival states in the already volatile region. Although the two nations have taken steps to normalize their ties, there have been thorny issues hampering any peace efforts. The issue of Kashmir, the arms race between India and Pakistan and the blame game policy adopted by the two states have always fueled tension between the two nuclear neighbors. These factors have significantly contributed to a political trend which has turned the South Asian region into a political seismic zone. Although some political earthquakes in the region should be seen as sporadic incidents, there are also tremors like the Mumbai attacks which trigger aftershocks and even tsunamis. The coordinated attacks were one of the most tragic carnages in modern Indian history. After the attacks, Indian officials showed little hesitation to accuse the country's archrival, Pakistan, of masterminding the operation. Pakistan, in turn, said it had received a threatening phone call from the Indian Foreign Minister. There is little doubt that Pakistan, traditionally a US ally, played the role of Washington's proxy and has been recruiting, training and funding militant groups which once fought the former Soviet Union during the occupation of Afghanistan. At that time, strengthening such groups was in US's interests. The Pakistani intelligence agency (ISI) is also accused of assisting and organizing several militant groups including the Taliban and some separatist factions in Indian-administered Kashmir. The timing of the Mumbai attacks, however, cast doubt on the speculations that Islamabad may have masterminded the attacks; in fact, the terrorist operation took place while officials from both sides launched a shuttle diplomacy to thaw their ties. The attacks had significant impacts in terms of India's domestic policy. The death of Hemant Karkare, Maharashtra state's Anti-Terrorism Squad chief, in the attacks has raised concerns among both the Muslim community and the moderate Hindus in the state. Karkare was in charge of investigations into a series of bombings in Malegaon in 2006 which targeted the Muslim community of the city. Indian officials initially blamed a Muslim group for the bombing but after investigations by the Anti-Terror Squad (ATS), extremist Hindus fell under suspicion. The ATS, under the command of Karkare, arrested several Hindu figures including an ex-army officer. The new wave of arrests indirectly implicated ultranationalist Hindu parties including BJP and RSS and based on Karkare's investigations, for the first time in recent years extremist Hindu leaders became the prime suspects of a terrorist attack. Karkare, who had earlier received death threats, was to deliver a report on terror activities of extremist Hindu groups to Prime Minister Manmuhan Singh but he was killed in the Mumbai attacks. It is remains unclear how the senior official was killed. The incident has also an important international impact. Pakistan is halfway through a transition period to restore democracy in the country after years of military rule. Months of political turmoil and uncertainty, combined with a security crisis and a surge of insurgency, have made the government of Pakistan very fragile. Any military reaction to the Mumbai attacks could push the country to the brink of partition; a scenario many analysts believe the US is pushing the country toward it. Pakistan has announced that it would cooperate with India to bring the culprits of the attacks to justice while at the same time it warned that if New Delhi deployed its troops along the Kashmir border it would take retaliatory measures and move its troops from the Afghan border to the boundaries of the disputed region. Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari also urged the Indian government to avoid retaliatory measures against Pakistan. There are also other clues which have led to other hypotheses. Some of the terrorists who carried out the Mumbai attacks had lived in the Nariman House for two months. Given the fact that the center was a Jewish institution and was not open to all, some Indian analysts have not ruled out the possibility that Israeli intelligence agency (Mossad) was behind the attack. No matter who really masterminded the terror attacks, one thing is certain, the region is a powder keg ready to explode and any military adventurism could bring dire consequences.

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 09:23 PM

br imdad shah ya ALI A.S MADAT
I AM VERY IMPRESSED BY YOU KNOWLEDGE of the political and religious history specially pertaining to the sub Asian region.i on the other hand i possess neither,but like you i have deep concerns for the shia faith,and whenever i hear people say we need to educate the society and power, wealth,in order to fight the enemy of Islam,i agree with you in part
only,because having all the above does not mean a thing unless it is first an foremost in possession of a strong aqida (faith)
i will of course give you a quote from the holy koran sura fatha macca,when the muslems were out numbered out armed, but were granted victory and Allah swt remindes muslim even today to remember how weak and few they were but still were granted victory why? because the were strong in eman and aqida,
so while we need to unite in order to fight the enemy of islam,we need also to unite under our faith emblem (parcham)
and we are shian e Ali ibn e Abu Talib a.s lets us grasp with both hands the rope of allahs unity and go forth to fight the jihad after all there is no greater power then the power of maula ali a.s muskil khusha the creator of not only nuclear power but the universe,we shias have always triumphs when we have been strong in aqida and eman the super powers
of the time the bani ummayid laheen and the bani abbasid lanatis failed to destroy shia besause we have the power of Allah on our side and that power is also our religion.
ali Allah waris

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 09:56 PM

The cowards always attack like that. It could also mean that your uncle knew the attacker, so he fired from behind to keep his identity as safe as possible.

I wish my name gets added in that list of martyrs. But a part of me also wishes to send a good bunch of them to hell first. To see them squeal like pigs while I personally hand them over to 'Azraeel (as) and so frequently that he gets annoyed of me bugging him again and again. I wonder if I'll get tired of it at all.

If I would get martyred, and hence immortalized, while laughing and I'll be thereon completely free of the trickery of wives, selfish friends, credit card bills, etc., what can be better than that?


He was defending some aalim in court and they said to stop or they would kill him.. He refused to stop.. So they killed him.. He is my uncle to.. thats how I know :wacko:

Thanks for your Idea, but Brother killing will not solve anything, only we can solve things if we can educate our people. Also become business community.
We can be very successful if we stop fighting among ourselves and create very strong educated and business community.


you gave me a new dream.. I will establish a shia only neigbourhood in pakistan where all the shias will live.... Teach the people how to make money.. and Keep lions as guards ( dont know about the lions part..)
Make it suicide bomber proof..

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 06:19 PM

br imdad shah ya ALI A.S MADAT
I AM VERY IMPRESSED BY YOU KNOWLEDGE of the political and religious history specially pertaining to the sub Asian region.i on the other hand i possess neither,but like you i have deep concerns for the shia faith,and whenever i hear people say we need to educate the society and power, wealth,in order to fight the enemy of Islam,i agree with you in part
only,because having all the above does not mean a thing unless it is first an foremost in possession of a strong aqida (faith)
i will of course give you a quote from the holy koran sura fatha macca,when the muslems were out numbered out armed, but were granted victory and Allah swt remindes muslim even today to remember how weak and few they were but still were granted victory why? because the were strong in eman and aqida,
so while we need to unite in order to fight the enemy of islam,we need also to unite under our faith emblem (parcham)
and we are shian e Ali ibn e Abu Talib a.s lets us grasp with both hands the rope of allahs unity and go forth to fight the jihad after all there is no greater power then the power of maula ali a.s muskil khusha the creator of not only nuclear power but the universe,we shias have always triumphs when we have been strong in aqida and eman the super powers
of the time the bani ummayid laheen and the bani abbasid lanatis failed to destroy shia besause we have the power of Allah on our side and that power is also our religion.
ali Allah waris


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Ya Ali A.S Madat
happy to hear from you
Thank you very much for given me tap on the shoulder regarding my knowledge. To do anything in life weather it is to do with religion or to do with everyday life ( person should have Aqida)
Without your belief person can not do anything. We all believe that certain activities in life are forbidden and some of us always go for the forbidden things. Infect they will not do anything good, but they happily go for bad things. To unite under one our faith, we are already under our faith which
Alam of Ghazi Abbas. There are no restrictions for any one to come under Alam of Mare maula Ghazi Abbas, and no one can say that we don’t want this person under the Alam. But we can judge people through our Aqida, is this person under the Alam with us has same Aqida or this person is the follower of the British made Islam. What I can understand regarding Aqida that Aqida tell me that I must keep my self clean and clear of those, who are the enemy of Maula Ali A.S. Before I Criticise any one I must know that I am an Ambbaster of Maula Ali A.S, If I do something against my Aqida that is insult of Maula Ali A.S. For example: If some one does good deeds and always been good to people, help people spend his or her own time to do good things for people. Other people will say that this person is Hallalda, this person been raised by Hallali mother and father. But on the other hand Bata do all the wrong things people will say this person is Harrami. I think it is up to an individual how they want to spend their life if they have an Aqida and do things against the Aqida, they are cheating others and they are not cheating Allah Ali A.S but they are only cheating themselves. (SURA AL-FATH AND H NUMBER 10) Allah says: Surely those who swear allegiance to you, do but swear allegiance to Allah;
The hand of Allah is above their hands. Therefore whoever breaks (HIS FAITH); he breaks it only to the injury of his own soul, and whoever fulfils what he has covenanted with Allah. He will grant him a mighty reward.

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 08:23 PM

He was defending some aalim in court and they said to stop or they would kill him.. He refused to stop.. So they killed him.. He is my uncle to.. thats how I know :wacko:



you gave me a new dream.. I will establish a shia only neigbourhood in pakistan where all the shias will live.... Teach the people how to make money.. and Keep lions as guards ( dont know about the lions part..)
Make it suicide bomber proof..



Br Ya Ali A.S Madat

First of all I am very sorry if I have offended you in any way, please accept my apology.
I have not given you dream to build bombproof village. You quoted the sermon 11 regarding Jamal
From Nahj al-Balaghah. When your Maula and mine gave that Sermon to Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah they were in a battlefield. That Sermon was suitable for time and place and it came for the leader of the battle. What is happening with Shia people at moment, it is job of Shia leaders to provide us with suitable solution. It is not our job to decide should we start killing those who are killing our people. Every one of us know what is going on against our people, our leaders should put their heads together and lead the nation instead creating problems among our community.
If maula Hussain wanted to kill all the army in Karbala he would have done that without any problem.
But that was Maula Hussain, we are just human and very greedy we make mistakes. But if we can call on our religious leaders I am sure we can find solution and if religious leaders don’t guide us and don’t guide themselves. Then it is out duty to reject them and stop calling them to read Majlises.
There problem with us when our religious leaders divide us in to groups, and us fight against each others just for they can stay in this country. No one can kill us if we don’t kill each other’s.

Amir al-muminin says
Surely jihad is one of the doors of Paradise, which Allah has opened for His chief friends. It is the dress of piety and the protective armour of Allah and His trustworthy shield. Whoever abandons it Allah covers him with the dress of disgrace and the clothes of distress. He is kicked with contempt and scorn, and his heart is veiled with screens (of neglect). Truth is taken away from him because of missing jihad. He has to suffer ignominy and justice is denied to him.
O' people, your bodies are together but your desires are divergent. Your talk softens the hard stones and your action attracts your enemy towards you. You claim in your sittings that you would do this and that, but when fighting approaches, you say (to war), "turn Thu away" (i.e. flee away). If one calls you (for help) the call receives no heed. And he who deals hardly with you his heart has no solace. The excuses are amiss like that of a debtor unwilling to pay. The ignoble can not ward off oppression. Right cannot be achieved without effort. Which is the house besides this one to protect? And with which leader (Imam) would you go for fighting after me?

I really hope that you would understand me and forgive me if I have made any mistake or if I have offended any one of you guys on this website.
I am sorry Guys

#17 aliunwalliulla wajib

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Posted 10 December 2008 - 05:35 PM

br imdad ya Ali a.s madat
you are absolutely right again when you say that we shias have the holy alam e Abbas a.s. under which we are united,
we may be gathered under the holy alam but united we are not, let me give you a few examples,every religious tenant
and rituals,have rules and regulations by which they are followed and practiced,these rules and regulations which you know a lot more about then me,so i am not going to quote any,but say that we have no right to stop anybody from taking refuge under the holy alam pak and communicating with maula Abbas a.s has they wish,as you have quoted yourself.
This is not happening and this is what i have a problem with,it breaks my heart to see
a great injustice being openly committed and no body says anything against it,take hussania imambargh bradford last moharram,a sayed azadar after the majlis and matamdari on his way out payed his respect at the alam e pak by bowing his head a little and saying his salam,murid qurashi came up to this azadar sayed and rebuked him and told him not to ever do this again,you say how are we to know who is halali and who is aharami,i say by looking at peoples deed,this marasi is suppose to be an umati and who is he stopping from paying his respect to the alam e pak, a sayed,
are sayeds not ale rasool? s.a.w,what right does this marasi have to stop a sayed from worshipping in house of their father,then these marasi haramis go one step futher and bans another sayed from the imam bargh who did nothing wrong and wern't connected to this argument.
then you have burnley imam bargh at a furnaral of an azadar matami and a great zakir of maula Imam Hussain a.s,who had willed that his funaral prayer be read by a maulana who recites Ali unwalli ulla in the namaz,when the time came the ruling commity announced on the microphone that the ruling junta did not belive in Aliun walliulla in namaz thus will not offer namaz e janaza but will offer dua e mahfarat,all this happened right under the alam e pak,then you have zanabia imambargh blackburn,same thing happen there at a funaral of a azadar momina when asked to have the funaral be read with Aliun walliulla,not only it was not allowed to happen but a harami by the name of mohammed hussain the dictator have banned aliun walliulla from any namazes,haidrea imam bargh at the chelum jaloos the ruling commity caused a big fight because a matami cursed the harami mullah dhakoo and all also happened under the alam pak,when Aliun walliulla is being banned from the imambarghs and you want to fight the enemies of islam may be you are looking to far afield,after all yazid harami ibne harami committed the worste crime (zulm) in the history of mankhind,when the holy imam Hussain asked the yazids laheens army as to why they wanted to murder the holy imam a.s "the hate of you father ali"was this not their reply and all the shias and any halali human being on earth calls yazid a harami, not only yazid but his forfathers and his harami issues,
the criteria for reconnising a harami was shown by the holy prophet saw,that"only a halali can love ALI"and"only a harami can hate Ali"if you belive this hadhis to be true as i do thenyou must conclude that who ever opposses Aliun walliulla is a harami and an enemy of islam even thoe he may be
wearing the garb of a shia,just look at history was it not a bunch of haramies dressed in shiat garment who held asword at maula Ali a.s throat when moeiva lananti raised pages of the koran on spears,we are making great big mistake by fighting jihad around the world when the enemy has clearly infilterated our ranks,you are familer and am sure with the saying,the enemy within is dangerous.
ALI Allah WARIS

Edited by aliunwalliulla wajib, 10 December 2008 - 05:43 PM.


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Posted 10 December 2008 - 06:54 PM

Br Ya Ali A.S Madat

First of all I am very sorry if I have offended you in any way, please accept my apology.
I have not given you dream to build bombproof village. You quoted the sermon 11 regarding Jamal
From Nahj al-Balaghah. When your Maula and mine gave that Sermon to Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah they were in a battlefield. That Sermon was suitable for time and place and it came for the leader of the battle. What is happening with Shia people at moment, it is job of Shia leaders to provide us with suitable solution. It is not our job to decide should we start killing those who are killing our people. Every one of us know what is going on against our people, our leaders should put their heads together and lead the nation instead creating problems among our community.
If maula Hussain wanted to kill all the army in Karbala he would have done that without any problem.
But that was Maula Hussain, we are just human and very greedy we make mistakes. But if we can call on our religious leaders I am sure we can find solution and if religious leaders don�t guide us and don�t guide themselves. Then it is out duty to reject them and stop calling them to read Majlises.
There problem with us when our religious leaders divide us in to groups, and us fight against each others just for they can stay in this country. No one can kill us if we don�t kill each other�s.

Amir al-muminin says
Surely jihad is one of the doors of Paradise, which Allah has opened for His chief friends. It is the dress of piety and the protective armour of Allah and His trustworthy shield. Whoever abandons it Allah covers him with the dress of disgrace and the clothes of distress. He is kicked with contempt and scorn, and his heart is veiled with screens (of neglect). Truth is taken away from him because of missing jihad. He has to suffer ignominy and justice is denied to him.
O' people, your bodies are together but your desires are divergent. Your talk softens the hard stones and your action attracts your enemy towards you. You claim in your sittings that you would do this and that, but when fighting approaches, you say (to war), "turn Thu away" (i.e. flee away). If one calls you (for help) the call receives no heed. And he who deals hardly with you his heart has no solace. The excuses are amiss like that of a debtor unwilling to pay. The ignoble can not ward off oppression. Right cannot be achieved without effort. Which is the house besides this one to protect? And with which leader (Imam) would you go for fighting after me?

I really hope that you would understand me and forgive me if I have made any mistake or if I have offended any one of you guys on this website.
I am sorry Guys


(salam) yallah, akhi you have not offended me in anyway. I also think that war is not the answer. Our dear imams endured sooo much to not split the ummah, they took stones, deaths of family members and companions. I think the least we could do is promote peace.. It is not our job. Anyways the bigger jihad is the one you have with your nufs. I also apologize If I have ever hurt any of you guys.. You may take your revenge by calling me gandhi.. Only once though.. Thats pretty offensive..

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 05:01 PM

br imdad ya Ali a.s madat
you are absolutely right again when you say that we shias have the holy alam e Abbas a.s. under which we are united,
we may be gathered under the holy alam but united we are not, let me give you a few examples,every religious tenant
and rituals,have rules and regulations by which they are followed and practiced,these rules and regulations which you know a lot more about then me,so i am not going to quote any,but say that we have no right to stop anybody from taking refuge under the holy alam pak and communicating with maula Abbas a.s has they wish,as you have quoted yourself.
This is not happening and this is what i have a problem with,it breaks my heart to see
a great injustice being openly committed and no body says anything against it,take hussania imambargh bradford last moharram,a sayed azadar after the majlis and matamdari on his way out payed his respect at the alam e pak by bowing his head a little and saying his salam,murid qurashi came up to this azadar sayed and rebuked him and told him not to ever do this again,you say how are we to know who is halali and who is aharami,i say by looking at peoples deed,this marasi is suppose to be an umati and who is he stopping from paying his respect to the alam e pak, a sayed,
are sayeds not ale rasool? s.a.w,what right does this marasi have to stop a sayed from worshipping in house of their father,then these marasi haramis go one step futher and bans another sayed from the imam bargh who did nothing wrong and wern't connected to this argument.
then you have burnley imam bargh at a furnaral of an azadar matami and a great zakir of maula Imam Hussain a.s,who had willed that his funaral prayer be read by a maulana who recites Ali unwalli ulla in the namaz,when the time came the ruling commity announced on the microphone that the ruling junta did not belive in Aliun walliulla in namaz thus will not offer namaz e janaza but will offer dua e mahfarat,all this happened right under the alam e pak,then you have zanabia imambargh blackburn,same thing happen there at a funaral of a azadar momina when asked to have the funaral be read with Aliun walliulla,not only it was not allowed to happen but a harami by the name of mohammed hussain the dictator have banned aliun walliulla from any namazes,haidrea imam bargh at the chelum jaloos the ruling commity caused a big fight because a matami cursed the harami mullah dhakoo and all also happened under the alam pak,when Aliun walliulla is being banned from the imambarghs and you want to fight the enemies of islam may be you are looking to far afield,after all yazid harami ibne harami committed the worste crime (zulm) in the history of mankhind,when the holy imam Hussain asked the yazids laheens army as to why they wanted to murder the holy imam a.s "the hate of you father ali"was this not their reply and all the shias and any halali human being on earth calls yazid a harami, not only yazid but his forfathers and his harami issues,
the criteria for reconnising a harami was shown by the holy prophet saw,that"only a halali can love ALI"and"only a harami can hate Ali"if you belive this hadhis to be true as i do thenyou must conclude that who ever opposses Aliun walliulla is a harami and an enemy of islam even thoe he may be
wearing the garb of a shia,just look at history was it not a bunch of haramies dressed in shiat garment who held asword at maula Ali a.s throat when moeiva lananti raised pages of the koran on spears,we are making great big mistake by fighting jihad around the world when the enemy has clearly infilterated our ranks,you are familer and am sure with the saying,the enemy within is dangerous.
ALI Allah WARIS


Ya Ali A.S Madat

Thanks for given me three questions
1) rules and regulations
2) great injustice
3) Aliun walliulla

First of my entire dear Brother, what I can understand regarding above three questions I am going to write about those three questions. Secondly you have brought in your personal feeling, which is not very wise thing to do when you are have debate on your Aqida. Personal feeling distract your concentration from the topic. I don’t know how old you are, but I can tell you I have been going to Majlises since there were not a single Imambargh except Addra Jaferia in London. You spoke about Burnley imambargh, now it is my duty to tell because honisty always is good, even with your enemies you are brother. I am one of 10 people who build Burnley Imambargh with our own hands, when we used to get about 30 people in Moharam and there was time the place was to0 small. Now place is too big again. Also you talked about my brother Raz Shah of Burnley. I knew Br Raz Shah ever since I was 9 years of age. I am not going to talk about Br R Shah and certainly I am not willing to talk about those people in Bradford. This not my way of life and this not fault of shia people, this something very well organized by people called Bahaism. I will tell you something about Bahaism at the end of my little Knowledge of rules and regulations, I will leave other two question for later date. As every one of us know that Rusool Allah S.W said gain knowledge even if you have to go china.
For Example:
Knowledge is power
Having an MBA will significantly boost your chances of getting promoted to senior management was the message to graduates of the Open University as they received their diplomas last week. "Many managers would say that if you want to progress in your career with us, then you need to get an MBA," Carmel McMahon, deputy dean of international relations at the Open University business school, said at the graduation ceremony. Graduates of the three-and-a-half year program were optimistic about their prospects, with many saying that they had already received promotions thanks to the course. "One of my friend was promoted and become a manager ... I don't doubt that it (his MBA) has helped him. Extra qualifications can lead to promotions due to a shortage of highly skilled managers in the world. And although some companies are willing to sponsor their employees, and many were willing to pay for the course themselves to enhance their prospects. At the ceremony, the pro-vice-chancellor of the Open University warned that some firms may start to cut back spending on programs to boost human capital such as MBAs due to the financial crisis. However, he advised firms against decreasing spending on educating staff. "Research has shown that firms that continue to invest in training their employees emerge from recessions faster than those who don't, The course is not just for those looking to climb the ladder, but also attracts students who already hold senior management positions in major companies and are striving to improve their companies' performance. "Even though I've been in senior management for several years it has still helped me organise market analysis to see how we can improve the business,” Most of the students already work in business and the part time, distance learning program allows them to continue working, while the practice based approach used by the Open University encourages students to apply theoretical concepts in the workplace. "We started implementing ideas from the course the moment we began studying. I've used techniques for motivating the staff such as performance appraisals,” The program is one of only a few schools to receive triple accreditation from the world's top 3 MBA bodies - the Association to Advan-ce Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB), the Brussels-based European Foundation for Management Development (EFMD) and the Association of MBA (AMBA) - providing graduates with an internationally recognised qualification. "It (the degree) has definitely a lot of people. It has helped me communicate with my international colleagues better in business language and has given me some new practical skills. Vice president at French banks BNP-Paribas. Was on the course for his own benefit to run the bank batter than before. All above is just an example: what we do to make our community batter. 1) Are we here to just live everyday life as it comes to us? 2) Are we here to represent something we believe in? 3) Do we believe that I as individual can’t do anything? 4) How our ant sisters survived and carried their believe with them and pass it to us, when they didn’t had the resources same as us? 5) Have we as individual found ourselves?
Please let me know after reading above and now little about Bahaism, I can tell you a lot more of Bahaism but I think this will be enough.
Bahaism is another fake religion which was created by the British roundabout same time as Wahhabism was created. It was late in 19th century that a young Iranian Shiá cleric named Seyyed Ali Mohammad, pretended that he was the Mahdi, the Shiá’s messiah, and proclaimed a new religion, off shoot of the Shi’ism, the Baha’i. Immediately decried as “blasphemy” by all senior Iranian clerics, the Baha’i was declared outlaw and people adopting the new religion were considered as “mortad”, meaning “converted”, an act that under Islam is punishable by death. If any one convert to recognised religion in that case Islam give you full freedom of your choice, but creating a fake religion just to distroy Islam, then you are considered as enemy of Islam. Nationalist zealots who were fighting the yoke of Britain over their country, helped naturally by the influential ayatollahs, went further and “discovered” that the new, faked religion was “created” by the British in order to “weaken Islam and divide the Iranians, according to their old political wisdom of “divide and rule”. Ever since, and despite the fact that some of the Baha’i leaders had fled Iran, and despite very harsh treatments imposed on them in general, and despite being illegal and ostracized by most of Iranians, including the intellectuals. What makes their situation worse is that their most sacred shrine is situated in Israel, constructed for their most important leader, Bahaullah, who, after fleeing Iran to Baghdad and then to Turkey, then gone to Palestine, then under British rule, where he died. Hence the routine accusations by the Iranian authorities that they are spies for Israel, as seen by the arrest, some years ago, of tens of them, mostly preachers and ordinary merchants, in the southern city of Shiraz, on the accusation that they were members of a large Israeli espionage network in Iran.

Ali Allah Waris
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#20 aliunwalliulla wajib

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 06:09 PM

br Imdad shah ya Ali a.s madat
first of all i would like say may maula e kinaat a.s reword you and the ten other maumineen who strive in the way of the lord and built the burnley imambargh,you say i have let my personal feelings get the better of me when i cursed the harami umati who banned sayed from imambargh, i have always believed imambarghs were assigned to the name of holy imam a.s and are sayed not auld e imam a.s, i am an halali umati who believe that the sayed are my maulas ale thus worthy of great respect,and it my belief that enemy of maula Ali a.s are haramis no matter who it is if my own father was to say that he opposes Aliun walliulla, i would call him a harami also,because it my belief if this being personal then i am personal,but i also believe that you compromise in a lot of thing but not in aqida pertaining to maula
Ali a.s.
i must admit your all around knowledge on every subject is so vast that i am finding it hard to keep up,you highlighted 3 points to discuss and explain to me,i am sorry i know it lack of knowledge on my part i can not get you to discuss our problems we have in our imambargh at the present time,the imambargh you have built with you own hands instead of solving global problems let put it to you this way i bet when you were building these imambargh did you think for a minute that people will call them self shias and oppose Aliun walliulla in imam Ali a.s imambargh,and what is the difference between these so called shias and the open enemies of imam Ali a.s,waiting for your answer.
ALI Allah WARIS

Edited by aliunwalliulla wajib, 11 December 2008 - 06:27 PM.


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Posted 12 December 2008 - 09:53 AM

br Imdad shah ya Ali a.s madat
first of all i would like say may maula e kinaat a.s reword you and the ten other maumineen who strive in the way of the lord and built the burnley imambargh,you say i have let my personal feelings get the better of me when i cursed the harami umati who banned sayed from imambargh, i have always believed imambarghs were assigned to the name of holy imam a.s and are sayed not auld e imam a.s, i am an halali umati who believe that the sayed are my maulas ale thus worthy of great respect,and it my belief that enemy of maula Ali a.s are haramis no matter who it is if my own father was to say that he opposes Aliun walliulla, i would call him a harami also,because it my belief if this being personal then i am personal,but i also believe that you compromise in a lot of thing but not in aqida pertaining to maula
Ali a.s.
i must admit your all around knowledge on every subject is so vast that i am finding it hard to keep up,you highlighted 3 points to discuss and explain to me,i am sorry i know it lack of knowledge on my part i can not get you to discuss our problems we have in our imambargh at the present time,the imambargh you have built with you own hands instead of solving global problems let put it to you this way i bet when you were building these imambargh did you think for a minute that people will call them self shias and oppose Aliun walliulla in imam Ali a.s imambargh,and what is the difference between these so called shias and the open enemies of imam Ali a.s,waiting for your answer.
ALI Allah WARIS


Ya Ali A.S Madat
THANKS for your question by your question I can see that you do know me, because I have given my real name, but I can only guess whom I am communicating with. I never thought that in the future we would get so-called shies that will oppose to Aliun walliulla. Who Denny Aliun Walliulla he can not be a Shia. By Islamic law the denial has to be open. For Example: Some one says that I do not believe in Aliun Walliulla then he is or she is not a Shia. Aliun Walliulla is part of Islam also Islam says if any one who put something from themselves in side Islam and who take out something from Islam they manafic. I never seen any Shia who don't believe in Aliun Walliulla but when these so-called maumineen money from various parties and make problems within Islam they are the one who are enemy of Islam. Maula Ali A.S spend so many years under the government of B.O and U bay Sh
They were doing all sort of wrong deeds. But Maula Ali A.S did not fight against them, he even helped them whenever they needed his help. Some one only can be big through his or her character not by how tall they are. Been an isadar you have to scarify a lot, Isadari is name of sacrifices, our grand parent our parent gone from this life and people who gave their lives for Isadari they are gone and left us to take the Isadari to next generation. If we don’t sacrifice our lives to keep up the Alam of Ghazi Abbas who else going to do it for us?
Some things such as our deaths and disease are above human will, no matter what a person does, if for instance God has set the hour at which you are to die than it will be so:
"And no soul can die except by Allah's leave- a decree with a fixed term" Holy Quran 3:146
"They say 'If we had any part in the government of affairs, we should not have been killed here.' Say 'If you had remained in your homes, surely those on whom fighting had been enjoyed would have gone forth to their deathbeds." Holy Quran 3:155
The proof of above is as follows
On 3 April 2008 An air strike in the southern Iraqi City of Basra has destroyed a house and killed at least one occupant. He was in his house living and enjoying peaceful life, he died because his term was up. Earnings are also an example of things that are pre-destined by Allah, a poor man could work all his life but never become rich whilst others are rich without effort. This generalised example serves to bring us on to a specific comment; Even though things such as our income are predestined by Allah we must strive to improve our conditions, for although they are willed by Allah, if we will it Allah may change his will:
"Surely Allah changes not the condition of people until they change themselves" Holy Quran
Yet we came back to the age old question: Why did God create man? One always wonders about this question, if God is perfect what use would man be to him? None. Allah did not created man for his own benefit, he created man for the benefit of man: The hadith Qudsi says:
"O son of Adam, I did not created you for my own benefit, but that you benefit from Me as your God, alone, for I am your saviour"

When we start believing in Maula Ali’s Allah then things will be different. Ali’s Allah is the perfect Allah he the almighty. The Allah we believe in he is totally different Allah.
I hope you are happy with the answer to your question, if not I will try again in different way. Make yourself presentable to Maula Ali A.S

Ali Allah Waris

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Posted 12 December 2008 - 11:32 AM

salaam and Ya Ali Madad,

I have a few questions brother is you will endulge me I would appreciate it,

now, to my imperfect understanding without our Moula (as) we are not allowed to go to war against any for sake of our religion, until and unless he orders us, we do not fight even if they say we cannot say Alliyun Waliullah, though if we like I am sure we can stand and do it regardless but know we will more than likely be killed for it (in some places) if the funeral prayers are not allowed to recite Alliyun Waliullah, then a small group who believes can go back later and say quietly the proper way, but fight we cannot do without permission of our Imam (as)

This is what I have seen from our ahadith and from what I was taught, are you saying something different? That even without permission That you want to fight? what is taqiyyah for? does this (idea of fighting) also not go against what we are taught?

Should we not do our best to educate others and by doing so make the ease upon our souls while we are on this earth?

Just thinking and would also like your thoughts on my writing here, thank you very much for your time.


Ya Abbas Adriknee

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Posted 12 December 2008 - 03:13 PM

salaam and Ya Ali Madad,

I have a few questions brother is you will endulge me I would appreciate it,

now, to my imperfect understanding without our Moula (as) we are not allowed to go to war against any for sake of our religion, until and unless he orders us, we do not fight even if they say we cannot say Alliyun Waliullah, though if we like I am sure we can stand and do it regardless but know we will more than likely be killed for it (in some places) if the funeral prayers are not allowed to recite Alliyun Waliullah, then a small group who believes can go back later and say quietly the proper way, but fight we cannot do without permission of our Imam (as)

This is what I have seen from our ahadith and from what I was taught, are you saying something different? That even without permission That you want to fight? what is taqiyyah for? does this (idea of fighting) also not go against what we are taught?

Should we not do our best to educate others and by doing so make the ease upon our souls while we are on this earth?

Just thinking and would also like your thoughts on my writing here, thank you very much for your time.


Ya Abbas Adriknee


Sister salaam and Ya Ali Madat to you
First of all if you read all of my letters, I have not said we should fight, also I am not for fighting. Unless I have to, meaning that if any one I mean any one Insult yours and mine maula Ali A.S in time of Zia-ul-Haq Shia leader did fight against the government of Zia on taking Zaqqat from people bank accounts, that was wrong for government to do. That is way I said leave fighting to our leaders. If they see fight is necessary that is OK other wise keep out of fight. It is my duty to protect my Aqida and my imam. All the Shia people must be educated. Regarding taqiyyah it is compulsory if the government of a country is totally against Shia community, and if it is certain that you will be killed if they find out that you are Shia. Then it is your duty to save your future generation. That is way Taqiyyah is necessary, when we have rights same, as other people in the country we are living in, then taqiyyah don’t apply. I hope you are happy with the answer and remember that I am not perfect I am same as other shies. I don’t consider myself batter than other Shia, I consider other Shia people batter then me. Regarding your thoughts I will say very good, and wish you all the best, may (A Mohammed)Give you all the knowledge and also I hope for other sisters to do same gain knowledge as much as they can.

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Posted 12 December 2008 - 03:42 PM

^^^

salaam aleikom and Ya Ali Madad

Thank you for your response and I am sorry I misunderstood a post, I was thinking shiasoldier's post was you as I was not paying close enough attention. please forgive me.

I have heard that all you had to do now was fill out a form stating you are shia and they wont take the zakat monies from your bank account, is this true? or do they still take it?

Also how can any government official make saying alliyun waliullah illegal? how do they even know what is said in our prayers and why would they care? I do not understand this at all.

sorry I am not from pakistan, so this is quite informative to learn more of the situation there.


Ya Ali Madad

PS after this I promise to stay out of your conversation, I was just curious. sorry

Edited by zainab_, 12 December 2008 - 03:50 PM.


#25 aliunwalliulla wajib

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Posted 14 December 2008 - 05:31 PM

br imdad shah ya Ali a.s madat again
thanks for your answer after read it in full it only bring out more questions,you say ther are no shias who don't believe in
aliun walliulla,but for money from big religous institutions that these siqafas committees oppose aliun walliulla,then please tell me why do the followers of ale bait a.s curse yazid laheen and all those people who sided with him against imam Hussain a.s.
history shows that there were several group of people who followed yazid laheen 1st group of the people who hated mohammed saw and ale mohammed saw,2nd group who were the greedy people who were after the spoils of war and wealth offered by yazid laheen,when we curse this group then what is the different between this groupand the so called shias who oppose aliun walliulla for fincial gains from big religous institutions,the followers of yazid laheen hated maula Ali a.s for monetry gains and these shias are willing to(mazallah)denounce aliun walliulla in imambarghs in front of a mix shia/sunni gathering and you are not still willing to curse the shias who as far as i am concerned can and should call them self followers of yazid laheen rather then shias.
then you quote maula Ali a.s eduring the rule by the khalifa tul munafikeen wal muksareen
and not fighting against those lanaties and even helping them when they asked for help,there are many reasons given in the annals of history which you are aware of more then me,but i will quote one and that is if maula Ali a.s fought for their legitimate divine right then these haramies ibn e haramies will have said and written that ali fought for worldly powers,and just because maula Ali a.s did not fight for their divine rights dos't mean that maula Ali a.s were in agreement with these haramies,you have only to read nahgul balagh sermon after sermon of maula Ali a.s protesting that maula have been denied their right to khalifa tul bila fasl as per the many many hadiths of the holy prophet saw.
and as an azadar(a ghungar)like my parents and grandparent(may maula Ali a.s grant them place near their holy feet in janna)who compromised about a lots of thing but never on their aqida after all we are going in front of maula Ali a.s in the grave on day i can be ashamed of lots of deed but stand proud of the fact that when the holy prophet announced ZIKRO ALIUN IBADAT and HUBO ALIUN IBADAT and ANNAZRO WAHJAE ALIUN IBADAT i did not let any mukasar harami mullas tell me(mazallah)aliun walliulla in namaz is batal,let me also tell you why i hate these mukasar haramie mullas and their haramie follower's is the use of the word "batal"for maulas name,i have always heard of the battle of kerbla as jang of haq and batal,meaning imam Hussain a.s as being the haq and yazid harami being the batal.if you go back to the holy prophet saw time ,one can apprehend the true meaning of the wolds "haq" and "batal"the short version is haq is with Ali a.s and who ever opposes maula Ali a.s is batal,this is why the first three haramies khalifa tul munafakeen are refered to as batal is because they opposed the khaliha tul haq(Allah),
ALI Allah WARIS

Edited by aliunwalliulla wajib, 14 December 2008 - 05:39 PM.





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