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Poll: hamari zindagi main qismat /luck ka kitna haath shamil hota hai? (22 member(s) have cast votes)

hamari zindagi main qismat /luck ka kitna haath shamil hota hai?

  1. 1; 50% (9 votes [40.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.91%

  2. 2; 75% (2 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  3. 3; 95% (4 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  4. 4; ya insaan apni qismat khud hi banata hai (7 votes [31.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.82%

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#1 sahar_110

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Posted 20 August 2005 - 08:32 AM

(salam)
wht do u want 2 say abt qismat or luck? :wub:
kabhi kabhi aisa hota hai k ham jo chahtay hain woh nahi hota hai aur jo nahi
chahtay woh ho jaata hai kya yehi qismat hai? :unsure:
wht do u think insaan ko kya apni qismat par depend karna chahiyah ya nahi?
aap ki qismat kaisi hai?achee ya.. :huh:

Edited by sahar_110, 26 August 2005 - 07:35 AM.


#2 asifnaqvi

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Posted 20 August 2005 - 09:25 AM

percentage tou differ karay gi from case to case,so i shall not vote.
haan aik sketch zaroor khaincha jaa sakta hai yeh dikhanay kay liye kay qismat kisay kehtay hain...lol

farz kijiye ka sahar aapi ki shaadi ho gayee hai aur un kay zyadah nahi sirf aik darjan bachchay :!!!: us palang kay gird uchal-kuud kar rahay hain jis par woh dupatta sar par baandhay :cry: :cry: brajamaan hain. :P woh musalsal cheekh cheekh kay bachcho`n ko mana kar rahi hain kay bachcho ! shor na karo aur aaram say beth jao,magar aakhir bachchay kis kay hain? :!!!: majaal hai jo kano`n par ju`n tak reengi ho :P

tou bas sahar aapi nay aasman ki janab dekh kar thandi aah bhari aur kaha...
Hye Ree Qis...... :cry: :cry:

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Posted 20 August 2005 - 09:39 AM

(salam)
wht do u want 2 say abt qismat or luck? :wub:
kabhi kabhi aisa hota hai k ham jo chahtay hain woh nahi hota  hai aur jo nahi
chahtay woh ho jaata hai kya yehi qismat hai? :unsure:
wht do u think insaan ko kya apni qismat par depend karna chahiyah ya nahi?
aap ki qismat kaisi hai?achee ya.. :huh:

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(salam)

Yeh acha topic socha hay :) arsay baad koi freshness ayee hay , werna serra huwa tha yahan kay mahol say ......

Mein samajhta hun keh her Insan ki kismat mukhtalif hoti hay. Meine note kiya hay kay jo log ziyada " phannay khaan " bantay hain .....un ki kismat utni hi gandi hoti hay. Is ki misaal humari seraiki main yuun hay " SIyaana Kaan ( kawa ) HUmesha Aapni ( apni ) WiTTh day baanday ( behat'ta hay ) "

Is kay bilmuqabil, jihnain hum bhola bhala samajhtay hain, wo qismat kay dhanni hotay hain. Aur apna koi bhi kaam nikalwaanay kayliye unhain itni tagg-o-Dao nahaen kerni perti.

Meri qismat kafi achi hai Mashaalah say. I mean apnay doston aur rishtedaarun main mein humesha lucky saabit hota hun. Jis kaam ka irada ker lun, us main hurdles itni nahen aatin. Aati bhi hain tau khud ba khud sabab ban jata hay. Allah Tallah ka ehsaan hay, meray ilm main koi aisi duwa nahen , jis ko maine manga ho aur wo kabul nah huwi ho.

Bachpan main ammin abbu meray naam ki lottery bhi khailtay thay. do chaar baar inaam bhi nikla. Akser main khud scratchies khareed laita tha aur humesha yaa to another free ticket nikalti thi yaa phir $2 :huh: Chunanchay issi nateejay per pohancha kay Allah Tallah ko mera juwa khailna manzur nahen.


Aik arsay say apnay bhaee ko bhi taanay daita raha hun. Wo yuun kay jab berra bhaee paida huwa tha to meray walid nay zindagi main pehli baar apni motor bike li thi. Aur jab main paida hua tha tau humari family ko australia ki permanant residency mil gayee thi.

bas abhi kayliye itna kaafi hay ....meri yahi buri adat hay shaed, bolta hun to behisaab hi bol jata hun . :)

Salam u Alaikum.

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Posted 20 August 2005 - 09:39 AM

^ buri baat Asif ji.......loll

Waisae Qismat ko aap shayad Taqdeer sae mila rahi hain......taqdeer kehtae hain fate ko...jis ko shayad badalna ziada naheen tou thora mushkil zaroor hota hai...jaisae kehtae hain naa.... kae taqdeer ka likha koi mita naheen sakta....
abh baat aey Qismat ki...tou mae samhajtee hoon wo badli ja sakti hai....likin zahir hai aik hadd tak.....mae yae kahoon kae saaari buraee iss waqt maeri zindegee mae maeri 'kharab' qismat ki wajah sae hai....tou yae jumla ajeeb sa lagae ga....qismat kharab kaisae ho sakti hai....qismat tou lafz hi thora thora kasouti type ka laghta hai...ya yae ya wo...so shayad banda badal sakta hai....ya bana sakta hai apni qismat :angel:
Keh saktae hain kae dua aur dawa donoon badal sakti hain qismat...likin shayad taqdeer ko naheen.

Pata naheen kia outt patang bool gaeey :blush: Vote naheen dae sakti...depend karta hai naa kae kaam ki noyat kitni hai...yaini qismat aur taqdeer ki baat kar rahi hooon...samhaj na aey tou aur bhi bakwas karnae ko tayyar hoon...poochnae mae koi maza'ehiqa naheeen :P

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#5 asifnaqvi

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Posted 20 August 2005 - 12:15 PM

Nah ! Sahar is like lil sister to me.she is wise enuf to figure-out that im kidding with her,no point to mock her.u must have noticed that she is very sincere in her thoughts n perceptions. :)

aur behno`n aur bhyyo`n mein naok-jhonk tou chalti rehti hai. :D

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Posted 20 August 2005 - 02:24 PM

(salam)

Zahir hey life meh kuch cheezen hen jin par insaan ka koi control nahi hotha magar hamari apni hi life hey, circumstances (yah taqdeer jaysay Arj baji neh kaha) ko shahyd har waqt control nahi karsakthey magar kis tarhan oon circumstances ko istemal karthey hen aur kis tareeqay seh, yeh tho bilkul hamareh upar hi depend kartha hey.


Mein samajhta hun keh her Insan ki kismat mukhtalif hoti hay. Meine note kiya hay kay jo log ziyada " phannay khaan " bantay hain .....un ki kismat utni hi gandi hoti hay. Is ki misaal humari seraiki main yuun hay "  SIyaana Kaan ( kawa ) HUmesha Aapni ( apni ) WiTTh  day baanday ( behat'ta hay ) "

Is kay bilmuqabil, jihnain hum bhola bhala samajhtay hain, wo qismat kay dhanni hotay hain. Aur apna koi bhi kaam nikalwaanay kayliye unhain itni tagg-o-Dao nahaen kerni perti. 

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Very true.

And REMEMBER to say masha'Allah @ your khush qismati!!! ^_^ Kahein nazar na lag jaiy. :(

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Posted 20 August 2005 - 10:46 PM

^ buri baat Asif ji.......loll

Waisae Qismat ko aap shayad Taqdeer sae mila rahi hain......taqdeer kehtae hain fate ko...jis ko shayad badalna ziada naheen tou thora mushkil zaroor hota hai...jaisae kehtae hain naa.... kae taqdeer ka likha koi mita naheen sakta....
abh baat aey Qismat ki...tou mae samhajtee hoon wo badli ja sakti hai....likin zahir hai aik hadd tak.....mae yae kahoon kae saaari buraee iss waqt maeri zindegee mae maeri 'kharab' qismat ki wajah sae hai....tou yae jumla ajeeb sa lagae ga....qismat kharab kaisae ho sakti hai....qismat tou lafz hi thora thora kasouti type ka laghta hai...ya yae ya wo...so shayad banda badal sakta hai....ya bana sakta hai apni qismat  :angel:
Keh saktae hain kae dua aur dawa donoon badal sakti hain qismat...likin shayad taqdeer ko naheen.

Pata naheen kia outt patang bool gaeey  :blush: Vote naheen dae sakti...depend karta hai naa kae kaam ki noyat kitni hai...yaini qismat aur taqdeer ki baat kar rahi hooon...samhaj na aey tou aur bhi bakwas karnae ko tayyar hoon...poochnae mae koi maza'ehiqa naheeen  :P

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Qismat aur taqdeer kaa farq pooree tareh samajh naheen sakay bibi. Zara tafseel say samjhaaeye . . .

#8 kaneez e mehdi

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Posted 21 August 2005 - 05:30 AM

50%
mera is baray main sher hai
taqdeer aik daimi ik ghair daimi hai
aur daimi khud likhna bas main insan k nahi hai

permanent fate includes ur life,death, wedding, children etc
and the rest temporary

Edited by kaneez e mehdi, 21 August 2005 - 05:32 AM.


#9 Nocturne

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Posted 21 August 2005 - 07:39 AM

(salam)

Qismat hoti hai. Muje poora poora yaqeen hai es par. Exams mai ek banda mehnat karta hai lekin Qismat nahi to usko marks nahi milte. Yaha aake dekhain, main aise larke point out karuga jo parhte nahi hain lekin phir bhi QISMAT achi hai unki, hamesha baazi le jate hain.

Mehnat se insaan apni zindagi sawaar sakta hai, lekin qismat ka saath hona zaroori hai.

Aise bhi dekha hai keh ek bande ko bawjood yeh keh woh poori tarha qaabil hai naukri nahi milti, aur aise ko bhi dekha hai jo qaabil hai, 3 4 jaga naukri karke chour chuka hai, lekin ek naukri chorta tha to ek hafte baad algi mai hota tha!

Abhi UN ki peace force mai hai ;).

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Posted 21 August 2005 - 08:19 AM

i think.. 75% is luck.. 25 person is what u do on ur own...

#11 sahar_110

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Posted 21 August 2005 - 08:39 AM

aur behno`n aur bhyyo`n mein naok-jhonk tou chalti rehti hai.

ji zaroor magar khuda k waastay aisa khatarnaak naqsha na khainachay k main yeh kehnay par majboor ho jaoon k
Allah karay aap k saath ho aisa :P
prince bhaaaai!!

bas abhi kayliye itna kaafi hay ....meri yahi buri adat hay shaed, bolta hun to behisaab hi bol jata hun 

shukar hai aap ko iss baat ka pata hai:P ya kisi nay bataya hai
Allah k naik banday ya bandi nay :P
arjumand!!

Waisae Qismat ko aap shayad Taqdeer sae mila rahi hain

aap batain gi behn k taqdeer kya hoti hai !! bhaaya main waisay hi itni confuse hoon aap nay aur kar diya :(
the patriot bro

Mehnat se insaan apni zindagi sawaar sakta hai, lekin qismat ka saath hona zaroori hai.

bilkul theeek!!
:D

Edited by sahar_110, 21 August 2005 - 08:56 AM.


#12 asifnaqvi

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 05:53 AM

ji zaroor magar khuda k waastay aisa khatarnaak naqsha na khainachay k main yeh kehnay par majboor ho jaoon k
Allah karay aap kay saath ho aisa

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uffo yeh itni daer say dupatta sar pay kasnay ki koshish kar raha hoon aur yeh hai kay.... :P
aik darjan bachchas for me ? :wacko:
baqol nida kay 'hey bhagwaan! ' :!!!:

ok back to the topic,
Luck factor certainly exists.what should we do about it then ?

Imam-al-saadiq(a.s) said,'theres niether a compulsion in religion nor theres a free-will,but the true path lies in between the two.'

so muqaddar/taqdeer/qismat/fate/luck par saabir-o-shaakir rahain magar is say pehlay atmam-e-hujjat zaroor karain,ya3ni

as mawla ali quoted,'try ur utmost for every work do be done.'

so poori koshish karein aik just-cause kay liye.agar masla hal ho jaye tou well n good laiken agar kisi wajah say maqsad poora na ho tou usay muqaddar ka likkha samajh kar sabr karain.yaqeenan ' us ' kay har kaam mein maslehat hoti hai. ^_^

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 08:32 AM

(salam)
wht do u want 2 say abt qismat or luck? :wub:
kabhi kabhi aisa hota hai k ham jo chahtay hain woh nahi hota  hai aur jo nahi
chahtay woh ho jaata hai kya yehi qismat hai? :unsure:
wht do u think insaan ko kya apni qismat par depend karna chahiyah ya nahi?
aap ki qismat kaisi hai?achee ya.. :huh:

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Like ArJuMaNd, I distinguish between Qismat and Taqdeer. Qismat more sounds to me a matter of chance or luck. It refers to those things that happen out of accidents or mere chance. You couldn't have predicted them, you couldn't have controlled them, like winning a lottery that could completely change a person's life.

Taqdeer is a more complex story. To many people, Taqdeer is the pre-written fate of a person. This fate has been written even before a person comes into this world. One may ask, then how is it different from the Christian concept of pre-destination. The reply given is that you can still change your Taqdeer in the Muslim conception and examples are given of that of the effects of sadqa or dua that can change a person's taqdeer even at the verge of execution.

I believe that sadqa and dua can make these effects. Shaheed Mutahhari also points to them in the book Man and his Destiny. But he also draws our attention to the fact that we also make our own destiny. The consequences of our actions done today become our 'destiny' tomorrow. If I didn't study and did only duas and sadqa, then if I fail, then God is not to blame, it's my own actions that shaped my future. The consequences of the other people's actions also shape our taqdeer. An alcoholic, pregnant women can bring many inflictions and birth deficiencies to the newly born, innocent child. The child obviously was not at fault, but he/she does suffer the consequence of her mother's actions.

How much control do we have in shaping our future? Is it fair? I discussed that in another thread, click here: http://www.shiachat....67 . The ideas are adopted from the same book by Shaheed Mutahhari.

A saying is attributed to Imam Ali (as) : "I attained realization of God, may He be glorified, by the dissolution of resolutions, and by the solution of complexities."

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Posted 22 August 2005 - 10:07 AM

(salam)
wht do u want 2 say abt qismat or luck? :wub:
kabhi kabhi aisa hota hai k ham jo chahtay hain woh nahi hota  hai aur jo nahi
chahtay woh ho jaata hai kya yehi qismat hai? :unsure:
wht do u think insaan ko kya apni qismat par depend karna chahiyah ya nahi?
aap ki qismat kaisi hai?achee ya.. :huh:

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Taqdeer bananay walay tuu ne kami na kee
ab kis ko kya mila ye tu muqaddar ki baat hai

#15 sayedzeeshan

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 02:50 AM

Qismat hoti hai. Muje poora poora yaqeen hai es par. Exams mai ek banda mehnat karta hai lekin Qismat nahi to usko marks nahi milte. Yaha aake dekhain, main aise larke point out karuga jo parhte nahi hain lekin phir bhi QISMAT achi hai unki, hamesha baazi le jate hain.


Sab say pehlay, bohot achcha topic dhoonda hai, lagta hai aaj demagh kaam kar raha hai :P

Jo baat may nay oopaar quote ki hai, uss say mujhey ikhtilaaf iss tarha hai, keh agar aap ghaur karein to baaz auqaat zyaada number nuqsaan day ho saktay hain aur baaz auqaat kam number faida mand. To hum jo kuch samajhtay hain, aksar waisa nahi hota.
To short-term result ki form may to aap apparently bad qismat rahey magar, aap nay jo mehnat key uss ka silla aap ko hamesha milay ga.

"Laysaa lil insaane illa ma saa", insaan ko bas wohi kuch milta hai jiss ki woh koshish karta hai. To Allah kay iss waaday ko kissi tarha bhi nazar andaaz nahi kiya ja sakta. Jiss ki aap koshish kartay hain aap ko woh mil jaata hai (agarchay baaz aukaat apparently aisa nahi lag raha hota).

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 03:24 AM

(salam)

^
Dimagh mera kaam karne laga tha ya sahar baji ka? :P Clarify please :D

Mujhe pata hai achi tarha keh jo kuch hota hai bhale ke liye hi hota hai. Allah jo kuch karta hai usi mai bhalaee hoti hai. Hum insaan, apni kamzori ki waja se us waqt to pareshan hote hain, naraz bhi, lekin waqt aane par sab kuch waazih hojata hai.

LEKIN, mai abhi bhi apni baat par rahoon ga. Qismat walon ko hi number milte hain, aur khaas taur par Federal Board main. :rolleyes:

Mai pechle 3 saal se maar kha raha hoon. Mujh se poochain :cry:

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 04:40 AM

Sab say pehlay, bohot achcha topic dhoonda hai, lagta hai aaj demagh kaam kar raha hai 

mujhay pata hai acha topic hai :P
aap bhi koi asar pakri mujh say :P

Dimagh mera kaam karne laga tha ya sahar baji ka?  Clarify please

beta meri tareef hoi hai aap beech main kahan say tapak paray :P

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 05:04 AM

LEKIN, mai abhi bhi apni baat par rahoon ga. Qismat walon ko hi number milte hain, aur khaas taur par Federal Board main


Peshawer board may to rishwat waloon ko number miltay hain.

Agar system sahih na ho to phir to mehnat ka due silla nahi milta

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 05:45 AM

(bismillah)

(salam)

Hum apni rozmarrah bolchal main teen ilfaz istamal kartay hain

1. Taqdeer
2. Muqadaar
3. Kismat

or aksir oqaat aik to dosaray kay badlay main istamal bhee kartay hain. Laykin mayray khayal main ya teeno teen mukhtalif stages ko zahir kar tay hain. (whatever is being written below is my personal view only, one has every right to disagree with it)
1. Taqdeer
ya insaan say mutalaq wo maamalat hain jinhain Allah apni hikmat kay tahat insaan kay liya taqdeer kar ta hay jisay kay wo kab kahaan paida hoga, os kee zindagee(final) kitni hoogee, Rizq kitna hoga etc. ismain tab deeli insaan kay ikhtiyar main nahee.

2. Muqadar
Kaha jaa ta hay kay insaan apna muqadar khud bana ta hay. Muqadar acha bhee hot hay or bura bhe. Ya aksir oqaat insaan kay apnay amal or baaz oqaat kissi dosra kay amal ka nateeja hotay hain. Or jaab wo amal waqoo pazir ho jaa ta hay to phir os ka outcome os amal karna walay ka muqadar hota hay. Jaisay agar koee kissi ko qatal karnay ja ay or phir apnay amal main kaam yab bhe ho ja ay to phir os ka muqadar badnaami or capital punsihment ya koee or punishment hogee. Isee tarhan Allah nay Insaan ko fitrat per paida keya ( or fitrat Islam hay as is said by maasoom) or os kay waladain na osay muslimaan ka ilawa kooch or bana deya etc. So maqadar ko baad main change keya jaa saak ta hay.

3. Kismat
kistmat ka daromadar insasn kay gozishta amaal or koshishoon per hota hay. or ya aksir two mutually exclusive events ke soorat main hoti hay. jis main say aik ko opt karnay say insaan khush kismat ban jaata hay or else baadkismat kahlata hay. For example agar insaan koee parhai na karay or imtahaan main paper bhee karay or phir kistmat ke yawari kee omeed rakhay. kaya ya darost hay? nahee q kay kistmat ko chance daynay kay liya required amal nahee keya gaya or ab nakaami os ka muqadar hay (refer to above discussion). Dosri taraf aik insaan khoob mahnaat karta hay or phir imtahaan main jaata hay to yahan per kismat os say do chances daytee hay aik ya to sawaal ko sahee tarhaan samujh kar os ka sahee jawaab day kar kaam yabi ko apna muqadar bana lay dosray ya phir ghalat samjh kar or apni danist main sahe jawab day kar nakaami ko.


Though it can be discussed in more details, but I think in this case the reply will become too lenghty to read. The above discussion is a general discussion.


Salam to all brothers and sisters

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 09:34 AM

mujhay pata hai acha topic hai :P
aap bhi koi asar pakri mujh say :P

beta meri tareef hoi hai aap beech main kahan say tapak paray :P

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Ok dadi jaan :P

#21 Sayed AaliShan

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 10:34 AM

ya insaan apni qismat khud hi banata hai :P

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 05:56 PM

Peshawer board may to rishwat waloon ko number miltay hain.

Agar system sahih na ho to phir to mehnat ka due silla nahi milta

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phelay bata ya hota tu kuch baat baan jati.ab kia fida :blush: :P

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 08:46 PM

(salam)


And REMEMBER to say masha'Allah @ your khush qismati!!! ^_^ Kahein nazar na lag jaiy.  :(

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Yes Mashaalah ! Plus a kaala Tikka ^_^


shukar hai aap ko iss baat ka pata hai:P ya kisi nay bataya hai
Allah k naik banday ya bandi nay :P

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Barray afsos ki baat hey .......... :lol: Meine to waise hi mazak main kaha tha......

#24 ArJuMaNd

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 10:18 PM

OOOOH :wub:

Yae thread tou kaafi lamba hogaya.....abhi do din pehlae tak jab mae nae doosri post kari thee tou iss ki Qismat naa kholi thee tabh tak....aur abh itnae achae sarae points diay gaey hain...yaqeenan Shiachat kae Moqaddar kahoon ya Taqdeer mae thaa isi topic pe aik aur thread ban'na thaa so chal gaya warna pehlae baat ho chuki thee iss mou'zou pe shayad :)

Behirhaal kaafi achae points diay gaey...maza aagaya B)

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#25 iconmarx

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Posted 23 August 2005 - 10:54 PM

:) Wut i realy think its ur hardwork n luk both counts alot.Ur hardworks never regrets but sometimes u just got luky that ur work may work.But my beliefs is Hardwork n using common sense u can do anything n sometimes u dont need ur luk.God is always dere for us n he saw us for every second n he knews wut is best for us.The only thing v got to do is to pray to God n start wid the name of GOD n i m damn sure ur halfwork is done wen u do that n rest on ur efforts n works. :)



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