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#1 SHIA_COP

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 02:47 PM

(bismillah)
Ya Ali (as) Madad
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Posted 29 June 2005 - 04:03 PM

g janab IRAN ki hukam se hum ko KALIMA be change kerna pere ga....
Khomeini ka kalima be aab perna pere ga kia?
Khomeini hai kia jis ka kalima hum peren??
muje bohat se loog kehte hein ki i insult mujtahid....
bahi mujtahid hein he insult ki qabil...ki jino ne fatwa de diya ki Khoeini ka kalima peroo.......kia :shaytan: KHOMEINI :shaytan: ka kalima perne ka hukam IMAM ZAMANA as ne diya hai???????
hum kiu KHOMEINI ka kalima peren???????/y??
y?
aye muqasero kia mein aab be BAR MUQASREEN LANAT..na kahoon???

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tell me answer about that?

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Posted 29 June 2005 - 05:09 PM

wese ARBAB-E-INSAAF...mere is post per ghor zaror keren....
& reply be keren...
wa salam

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 02:32 AM

salam
Bohot gor o khauz kay baad reply kar raha hoon.
Jo ahadith aap nay bayaan key hain, aap 100% kaysay bata saktay hain keh yeh masoomeen hi key hain?
Inn kay liyey kaun kaun say test zaroori hai, thorra sa khulaaasa likh dein.

P.S. Main yeh janNa chahta hoon keh aap ka taaluq kiss ilaaqay say hai.

Allah Hafiz

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 03:55 AM

syed zeeshan sahib...aap ne Ahadith ko perhkne ki leay koi sa be test ker sekte hein..........wese ager yeah he Ahadith kese MULLAH ki mouth se nikli hoti tu aap sahid bil chun o chera accept ker lete........kher aap pure tasali ker leen.....
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and second aap ne KHOMEINI ka kalima ki bare mein koi rai nahi de????
kehen aap perte tu nahi???

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 04:34 AM

Masala yeh hai keh aap ko kissi jagga par koi hadith likhey nazar aa jayey, to aap ko kaisey maaloom ho ga keh joo hadith aap parh rahay hain, woh darasl kissi maasoom(as) ka farman bhi hai ya nahi? Yaani keh kissi nay apni taraf say to nahi gharr liya.

Nahi merra kalima wohi hai jo aap ka hai, aur jo pehla say chalta aa raha hai. May uss may koi ghair zaroori izaafa nahi karta.

May nay aap say poocha tha keh aap kahaan keh rehnay waalay hain, agar aap yahaan nahi bata saktay to mujh ko pm kar lein.

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 04:50 AM

bahi sahib actullay yeah HADITH...jesa ki aap pouchna cha rehe hein..ILM-e-RAJAL..mein se guzer ker pure tera 100% true hein........
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and very good ki aap kese Mujtahid ka kalima nahi perte..
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g i am from PAKISTAN.........where u from syed?

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 05:24 AM

(salam)

Bro main prob. yeh hota hay kay hum aam log aik do ahadith ki binah per decision laitay hain . Jabke scholars jo kay Ilm-AL-Ahadith kay experts hotay hain, unhain kisi bhi topic say mutaliq tamam ahadith ko mad-e-nazer rakh ker faisla daina hota hay.

ab ahadith ki char basic iksaam hoti hain :

al-sahih,
al-hasan,
al-muwaththaq,
and al-da'if

AB hum jaisay kam ilm kay log to yeh judgement nahen kersaktay nah kay uper di gayee huwi ahadith kon si "kind" hay . Ho sakta hay wo AL-Sahi nah ho balkay AL-Hasan ho . Aur mujtahdeen nay Kisi aur Al-Sahih hadith ki base per faisla kiya ho.

Waisay meri maano to in chakerun main nah paro . In main jitna involve ho gay, utna hi phanstay jao gay.

Tumhari bohat si batein appealing hoti hain ....laikin mujhe jis baat ka khadsha hota hay , wo yeh kay shion kay beech main aik naya fitna nah kherra ho jaye....pehlay say hi firkun main bat'tay jarahay hain.

Aj kal zamana aisa hay kay shia sunni ko ikatha honay ki zaroorat hay. Ab ager shia apas main hi lertay rahay to humara berra to paar ho gaya na.... :lol:

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 09:10 AM

(salam)

bro princeof sydney agreed... yehi to baat hai sari.... aik hadith laatay hain aur kehtay hain "mujtahid made a mistake"
yeh kaabhi nahee sochtay kay shayad mistake inki hai...

unity ki baat sahih hai...we need unity... but unity is never achieved by ignoring certain things...that sort of unity doesn't last very long.

khair is debate may bro shia-cop kay saath parna fazool hai kyoon kay yeh usually hosh se nahee, josh se kaam laytay hain and that will hurt him in the end...
humera kaam tha warn karnay ki koshish karna, obviously ab khoi na sunay to force to nahee kar saktay :)

bro cop u should try to answer bro zeeshan's question and understand what he is trying to tell u. as for me, this is a waste of time because u are not willing to think or learn, you are only here to make us like yourself and i for one, reject that :).


Ma'salaam,
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Posted 30 June 2005 - 11:38 AM

Prince & thenlight.........aap ki reply ka shukriya????/
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aap ne unity ki baat ki sahih hai..unity honi cheay mager unity usi waqat ho sekte hai jub MUJTAHID ghalat fatwa awam mein na deen...bcz in FATWA he ki waja se aaj Shia Nation intishar ka shikar hai...and listen mein ne jo Hadith quote ki hein un ko aap check kerva sekte hein...pure tasali ker leen....
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our aap dono ne KHOMEINI sahib ki KALIMA per koi baat nahi ki???wese aap ka is bare mein kia kihal hai...

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 03:42 PM

Dear Momineen!
aab be waqat hai..in Mujtahidoon ki chungle se nikalne ka........

but u need research ok...
aap ko bohat kuch milay ga..akher hum Gate Of Knowledge ki mane wali hein.........kia un ki karam se ik QATRA be nahi milay ga........
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Posted 01 July 2005 - 02:57 AM

Prince & thenlight.........aap ki reply ka shukriya????/
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aap ne unity ki baat ki sahih hai..unity honi cheay mager unity usi waqat ho sekte hai jub MUJTAHID ghalat fatwa awam mein na deen...bcz in FATWA he ki waja se aaj Shia Nation intishar ka shikar hai...and listen mein ne jo Hadith quote ki hein un ko aap check kerva sekte hein...pure tasali ker leen....
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our aap dono ne KHOMEINI sahib ki KALIMA per koi baat nahi ki???wese aap ka is bare mein kia kihal hai...

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(salam)

fatwa denay ka maksad awam ko divide kerna nahen hota meri jaan.

ab aam zindagi main bohat say masael hotay hain jin ka jawab logon kay paas nahen hota. Us ka hal kiya hota hay ? Ya meray tumaharay jaisay, us maslay ko avoid kertay hain ....ya kaee log ( khaas tore per bahir kay rehnay walay ) ehl-e-ilm say us ka deeni hal puuchtay hain. Ehl-e-Ilm Muhammad P.B.U.H aur Imams ki taleemat ki roshni main jawab daitay hain aur apni taraf say her mumkin koshish kertay hain kay jawab main khatah ka chance kam say kam ho.

Aur tum yeh dekho nah. Division kaisi ? Jin masael per fatwa diya jata hay , un ka taluk Firo-e-deen say hota hay. Tum khud dekho, humaray ilakun main log apnay buzurgun ki bayyat hotay hain .....aur un kay naksh-e-kadam per chaltay hain, un say help laitay hain e.t.c Is ka matlab, un buzurgun nay awam ko divide kiya huwa hay ? Nahen.

Aur tumhain pehlay kaha hay yar un marjas ki teachings ko compulsory mat samjho. Ager tumharay dil un say mutmaen nahen .....unhain nah folow kero . Itni si baat hay . per yeh to mantay ho nah kay unhon nay apnay fiqh ki deep study ki huwi hay. Hazarun talib ilm un kay pas reh ker Islam seekhtay hain aur Imams ki taleemat ko duniya main phailaatay hain. right ?

Reh gayee Kalma ki bat tau main abhi zara jaldi main hun laikin is mutaliq aaker baat kerun ga. Zara is topic per roshni daalain gay kay asal masla kiya hay .

Han aik sawal kerun ga. Yeh uper diya gaya Kalma Khumaini Sahab nay khud publish kerwaaya tha yaa kisi follower nay ?

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 06:04 AM

Kalima jis ne publish kervaya tha...is mein likah hai ki IRAN ki tamam MARJA ki ijazat se yeah Kalima pera ja sekta hai?///
aab kahan gaye deep study of Mujtahids?????//
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janab jo koi be kese BUZURAG se bayyat hota hai ya nahi ya koi u ki teachings per chalta hai wo alag baat hai bcz wo he BUZURAG..ki mein ik misal dina chaoon ga ki wo he BUZURG karamt dikha sekta hai??? kia kese Mujtahid mein aisi power hai..........
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our mujtahid kon sa sahih fatwa diya...
Syed Woman marry with Non-syed, Ali Un Wali Allah in azan & namaz batil,Kalima of Khoeini,Ban the Qama Zani & Zanjeer zani etc............. yeah sub fatwa MUJTAHIDOON he ki deay hui hein...tu kia is tera wo IMAM as ki teaching spread ker rehe hein.........
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Mujtahid bas IMAM ZAMANA as se mulaqat ka dawa kerte hein..but IMAM ZAMANA as ne khud farmaya ki mere mulaqat ya musahida ki davedar LIAR hai.........
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janaba kese be mujtahid se kehen ki wo koi karamt dikhay???????/
dihka sekta hai kia????
nahi
mager Faqeer(means buzurg hasati ike Sakhi LAL SHAHBAZ QALANDER) karamt dikha sekta hai........
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our haan duniya mein koi be FAQEER ki techings IMAM as ki teachings hein kese be Faqeer ki teachings dosre faqeer ki teachings se opposite nahi hoon ge..
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mager mujtahid ik fatwa per jama nahi ho sekte..???

y??
Ahle ILM ki kia tareef hai???

wa salam

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 11:53 PM

bahi sahib actullay yeah HADITH...jesa ki aap pouchna cha rehe hein..ILM-e-RAJAL..mein se guzer ker pure tera 100% true hein........
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and very good ki aap kese Mujtahid ka kalima nahi perte..
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g i am from PAKISTAN.........where u from syed?

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Agarr aap woh saboot pesh karein to bari mehrabani ho gi.

Yaqeenan aap Paikstan kay hi hain, magar pakistan may kiss jagga key

Universe->Milkyway->solar system-> earth-> asia-> pakistan-?

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 08:55 AM

Bismillah

Assalam o Alaikum

Dear brothers and sisters, we all are Muhib of Ahlebait (as). There may be differences among us, but try your best to keep the unity. I mean, we have differences with Ahle-Sunnah brothers, but we still love them while they love Ahlebait and do the Zikr of Mawla Ali (as). So, why is it impossible for Momineen to love and respect each other even if there are some minor differences of opinions in secondary matters of Faroo-e-Deen?

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I don't want to indulge in the conflicts among Shias. There are already sites of pro Ulama and anti-Ulama..... if some one really wants to do research, then please go to those sites and take the decisions yourselves.

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Now let me talk about some issues, whose material is not available on the net (or only one-sided material is available).

www.hubeali.com is doing well about the Aqaeed that they think correct.

As far as pro Ulama websites are concerned, then I feel that following 2 topics are not available.

1. Issue of Marriage of Syedzadi with non-Syed Momin.

2. Is it allowed to recite any other Kalima along with Kalima of Islam (like Khomeini Hujjatullah).

Therefore, I am addressing following 2 issues in the under.

Was Salam.

(Note: It is only for research purpose, and any one can differ with it. For me all of you are my beloved brothers and sisters,....... so please don't feel any enmity if we differ with each other in our opinions).

Jazak Allah.

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 09:03 AM

Marriage of Syedzadi with Non-Syed Momin

Those who consider it Haram, they have their own arguments. And their arguments are well presented at site www.hubeali.com

Their main argument lies in condition of "KUFF" کفو (which means that a Woman cannot marry a man, who is lower in Status, Lineage etc. than her.

As far as present day Mujhtahideen are concerned, all of them are of this opinion that it is allowed.

Actually, they consider that condition of "KUFF" has nothing to do with Shiaism, but it was Umar Ibn Khattab who first introduced this Bidah in Islam. And Mawla Ali (as) criticized Umar Ibn Khattab severely for this.

For them "Kuff" is not in Lineage, or material wealth etc., but only in "Iman" and "Taqwa".

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Following is an Urdu PDF file, which deals with this Issue in detail. Insha-Allah, we will be able to understand this Issue much better after reading these articles.

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 09:08 AM

Is it allowed to say any other Kalima with Intention of Only expressing our Iman, along with Kalima of Islam?


Following reply actually deals with Nasibies, but perhaps we can also learn about basics of our Fiqh (particularly, what is the definition of Bidah in our Religion and what practices are allowed according to this principle).

Our opponents declare Shias by accusing them that they have changed their Kalima. And as proof, they quote the following:

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Dear brothers/sisters, I am intended to make these confusions clear with the help of Allah. 

May Allah accept our pure Intentions. Amin.

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Difference between  KALIMA of  ISLAM    VS    KALIMA  of  IMAN

The most important point on this stage is to understand the difference between these 2 things:

1)  Kalima of Islam

2)  Kalima of Iman.


What is Kalima of Islam

Kalima of Islam is to say:  "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad (saw) is his last Rasool.".


All Muslims (Shias and Sunni) accept that any person Testifies this 2 Kalimas of Islam, he will become a Muslim


What are Kalimas of IMAN

But according to Quran, there are several more things which one has to TESTIFY, in order to become Momin, and without testifying them too  e.g

  1. Iman bil Qiyyamah (Faith in the day of Judgement)
  2. Iman bil Malaika (Faith in Angels)
  3. Iman bil Kutub (Faith in the Heavenly Books)
  4. Iman bil (Faith in ALL Prophets, i.e. not only Muhammadur Rasool Allah, but believe must be in All Prophets)---- etc. 
    5. Iman bil Qadr-e-Khairihi wa Sharihi (according to Ahle Sunnah). .... etc.


According to Shia Fiqh, it is allowed to recite all such Kalimas of Iman (i.e. the things upon which we BELIEVE) along with Kalima of Islam (without considering them to be Obligatory part of Kalima of Islam)

Now we know our Opponents don't understand this and keep on accusing us. So, let them show the mirror first.


The 6 Kalimas of Ahle Sunnah ( Plus  Iman-e-Muffasil and Iman-e-Mujjamil)

Now Ahle Sunnah also not only believe in Kalima of Islam, but they have 5 more Kalimas along with  2  Imans (known as Iman-e-Muffasil and Iman-e-Mujjamil).

And Rasool (saw) never asked us to take these 6+2 Statements as our 6 Kalimas and 2 Imans, but they have been derived from Ahle Sunnah Ulama through Quran and Hadith.

Therefore, if Extremist Sunnies want to declare Shias Kafir for saying these extra pharases, then first of all they have to declare All the Sunnies to be kaffir for these extra innovated 6 Kalimas and Iman-e-Muffasil/Mujjamil.

Now let's return to Nasibi accusation that Reciting "Aliyan Walli Allah" is Kufr.



Nasibi Objection


Nasibi claim that making Addition of "Aliyan Wali Ullah" in Kalima of Islam  makes this "Kalima of Kurf."

This is only the classical stupid logic of Nasibies.

Kufr is to "NEGATE" that Allah is God (naudobillah), and to "Nagete" that Muhammad (saw) was his Rasool (Naudobillah).

This is challenge to Nasibies to prove how saying "Aliyan Wali Ullah" makes it "Nagation" of Allah and his Rasool (saw)?

(i.e. saying "Aliyan Wali Ullah" does not and cannot Negate "La Illaha Illalah Muhammadur Rasool Allah")

If saying "Aliyan Wali Ullah" is really a negation of Tauheed and Risalat, then first one who said this was Muhammad (saw) himself, when he declared at Ghadeer Khum:

"Of whomsoever I am Maula, 'Ali is his Maula".



Similarly, we (Shias) believe in whole Quran and whole proved Sunnah and our Fiqh allows us to add them as testification to our Iman along with Kalima of Islam, like saying:

-  Aliyan Walli Allah

-  Wasiye Rasool Allah

-  Khalifatul Bila  Fasl

And also we BELIEVE in this that Imam Khomeini is our Leader, and it is obligatory for us to Obey him as  "Ulil Amr" (in the absence Real Ulil Amar, who is Imam Mahdi)  and his orders are Hujjat upon us in present times and situation.,..... and therefore we say:

-  Khomeini Hujjat Ullah


And after death of Agha Khomeini, we believe Agha Khaminei to be Hujjat upon us as our leader.

In brief, we (Shias) believe that any Quranic Verse or Prophetic Saying (upon whom we Believe and have Iman) can be read along with Kalima of Islam, without considering them obligatory parts of Kalima of Islam.


2nd Nasibi Objection: Adding Aliyan Wali Allah is an Innovation

Now let's show Nasibies the mirror once again.


Saheeh Muslim Book of Pilgrimage 007 Hadeeth Numbers 2667 and 2668 :

'Abdullah b. 'Umar (Allah be pleased with them) reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) entered upon the state of Ihram near the mosque at Dhu'l-Hulaifa as his camel stood by it and he said: Here I am at Thy service, O Lord; here I am at Thy service: here I am at Thy service. There is no associate with Thee. Here I am at Thy service. All praise and grace is due to Thee and the sovereignty (too). There is no associate with Thee. They (the people) said that 'Abdullah b. 'Umar said that that was the Talbiya of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). Nafi' said: 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) made this addition to it: Here I am at Thy service; here I am at Thy service; ready to obey Thee. The Good is in Thy Hand. Here I am at Thy service. Unto Thee is the petition and deed (is also for Thee).



Along the same lines we read in Saheeh al Bukharee, Kitab al Salat Volume 1, Book 12, Number 764:

Narrated Rifa'a bin Rafi Az-Zuraqi:

One day we were praying behind the Prophet. When he raised his head from bowing, he said, "Sami'a-l-lahu Liman hamida." A man behind him said, "Rabbana walaka-l hamd hamdan Kathiran taiyiban mubarakan fihi" (O our Lord! All the praises are for You, many good and blessed praises). When the Prophet completed the prayer, he asked, "Who has said these words?" The man replied, "I." The Prophet said, "I saw over thirty angels competing to write it first." Prophet rose (from bowing) and stood straight till all the vertebrae of his spinal column came to a natural position.


Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani in Fathul Bari, in his commentary of this Hadeeth, said:

"….the Hadeeth indicates the permissibility of initiating new expressions of dhikr in the prayer other than the ones related through Hadeeth texts, as long as they do not contradict those conveyed by the Hadeeth"


If Nasibies still consider themselves to be True, then they don't have to show Double Standards and declare Rasool (saw) and these Sahaba Karam to be Misguided Innovators (naudobillah) first before looking towards us.

So, we ask Nasibies to show some courage and come forward with their Fatwas now--........

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The Kalima of Sipah e Sahaba


Very Funny and Interesting.

On the main page of Sipah Sahaba official website <a href='http://www.[Edited Out]' target='_blank'>http://www.[Edited Out]</a> we read:

I believe in the Oneness of Allah, Muhammad (SalALLAHo Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wasallam) is the last Prophet of Allah, Quran bestowed upon Muhammad (SalALLAHo Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wasallam) is doubtless from Al-Hamd till Wannas, all the Sahabah (RadhiALLAHo Anhum Ajmaeen) of Muhammad (SalALLAHo Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wasallam) were Momin, Allah agreed with them and they with Allah, Ummahat-ul-Momineen are the wives of Muhammad (SalALLAHo Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wasallam) and are the Noble Mothers of Muslims.

Nasibi offers two options, either the readers can "Accept" or "Decline" to above mentioned Kalima.

Acceptance will make the visitor proceed while declining to their Kalima will lead to a poetry calling the decliners as Kaafirs.

We would like to ask these Nasibis, that who gave them right to make additions in the Kalima after the testimonies of Oneness of Allah & Prophethood of Holy Prophet[s]?

Choice is theirs, but atleast they should show some courage and come forward (i.e. don't hide now).


Was Salam.

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 09:38 AM

(salam)


Very well written :)

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 11:33 AM

sister Zainbia...Syed woman ki bare mein jo baat hai us ki tu mein sakhti se tardeed keroon ga...bcz yeah sub MULVION ki waga se hua...
our rehe baat Kalima of KHOmEINI..... tu yeah kahan sabit hai ki Khomeini ko phle hum HUJJAT ULLAH manne..per us ka kalima peren...???????????
Khomeini is just hai MULVI...not HUjjatUllah...........

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:21 PM

Bismillah
Assalam o Alaikum

Brother Shiacop, if you have read all the existing arguments and then came to this coclusion, then it is perfectly OK.

But I hope you give the right to others too to differ from your opinion.

Insha-Allah, we will neglect these secondary differences and pray for the Zahoor of Imam-e-Zamana (as), and till that time we unite upon that Primary thing, which is common among Momineen (and this Primary thing has much more importance).

Was Salam.


لاحتجاج الطبرسی، ج 2:
امام آخر الزمان (ع) اپنی توقیع مبارک میں اسحاق بن یعقوب کو جواب دیتے ہیں: "تمہیں چاہیۓ کہ حوادث واقعہ (جو کہ غیبتِ کبرہ کے دوران پیش آئیں) کے بارے میں تم ہماری احادیث کے راویان سے رجوع کرنا، کیونکہ وہ تم پر ہماری طرف سے ایسے ہی حجت ہیں جیسا کہ ہم اللہ کی طرف سے تم پر حجت ہیں۔



#21 SHIA_COP

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Posted 04 July 2005 - 03:13 PM

sister zainbia...thek hai u r right that ki hum ko UNITY per sakhti se amal kerna cheay...
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but kia KHomeini MOREHK hein ya MUHADITH???
??????????
mera kihal hai ki aap mera sawal khub samaj gaye hoon ge...
Fee Aman Al Hussain as
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Posted 04 July 2005 - 04:20 PM

Assalam o Alaikum

I understand your question very well brother. :) (although not agree with this on the bases of my little study :) )

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Well, I am still interested to know your point of view. May I request you to please tell us whom do you consider "Rawiyaan-e-Hadith"?

- Are only those who heart it directly from Masoomeen (as) are considered as Rawiyyan?


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Posted 05 July 2005 - 08:28 AM

sister aap aab be mere baat ko nahi samje.....
aap ne likha ki RAWIYAN se rajoo kerna kiu ki wo hum per HUjjat hein.......
means ki Khomeini ko tu HUjjat Allah kaha ja reha hai ...but kia Khomeini RAWI the?????//
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wese be Hazaroon logoon ka qatal KHOMEINI SAHIB ki sir per hai??? tu wo kese HUjjat Allah ho gaye?????//
ager aap Khomeini ko HUjjat Allah keh rehe hein tu New KALIMA dil se per leen...??????
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Posted 06 July 2005 - 12:48 AM

wese be Hazaroon logoon ka qatal KHOMEINI SAHIB ki sir per hai???

No ofeence intentended, magar aik baat yaad aa gayey. Muaviya bhi Ali(as) ko Ammar Yasir (ra) ka qaatil samajhta tha, by the same logic you used here.

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Posted 06 July 2005 - 12:54 AM

syed
prove it!



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