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#176 Dhulfiqar

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 01:03 PM

^ Saudis are Jahil.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 01:22 PM

I have arrivided at this topic late, but even if the Shias were attacking the Kabba, which they were not, why did the Saudis open fire?

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they did not open fire. to avoid blood shed they flooded the area.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 02:29 PM

SubhanAllaah! How can such a thing happen in the most holy place on earth!? Do people have no respect?!

Has anyone got the clip as it has been edited out? If so please send it to me via pm. JazakAllaah I would much appreciate it!


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Posted 23 June 2005 - 02:35 PM

I think this was one of the reasons that Saudi Arabia ended up supporting Iraq in the war, even though the Saudis hated the secular Saddam.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 02:50 PM

i dont think no one attacked kaaba, neither did saudis open fire.

but the fact is that in the 70s a mahdist group from iran (not shias but a subsect) claiming theyr man to be mahdi occupied kaaba for some weeks. ending in theyr death and arrestation.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 02:57 PM

Are we forgetting about the Wahaabis that took the Kaaba Hostage???

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 03:18 PM

are we forgetting those who DESTROYED the Kaaba in history... it's happened a few times hasn't it? so that some misguided people might attack it AGAIN... it's not unheard of.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 03:34 PM

^^And are we forgetting that those who can destroy the holy tombs of the DAUGHTER of the Prophet(saws) and his DESCENDANTS, can not do the same with the HOUSE OF Allah??????????

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 03:52 PM

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I didn't see any 'attack on the kaaba' in the video.. the only attackers that I saw were the Saudi shurtas on the 'demonstrators'... if any of you people saw the iranians attacking the kaaba in the video.. please tell me the exact location.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 04:26 PM

Saudis funded the iraq-iran war? Wallahi if they wouldve ever funded against Iran, then there wouldve been nothing such as "Iran" today. Stop blaming Saudia for everything because they have the control of Kaaba and they are sunnis.

And please use some common sense, why would iranis demonstrate in Saudi Arabia for supporting Iraq with Khomenei pictures and trying to enter the haram? Even if they conduct this imbecilic demonstration, then they had no right to disturb the hajj and be violent to the resisting security forces.

Please don't say that "Where is the kaaba"? if you know about makkah and you watch the video carefully, you would see them trespassing to the haram.

Why they were trespassing? because C4 was found on shia travellers and they were stopped for security reasons. But their violence to enter the haram shows that their plan was disturbed, they became angry and went to an extend to enter the Kaaba with force.

"I dont see an attack on Kaaba"... when are you going to believe when every thing is over? the shias attempted to Attack the Kaaba and JazakAllah the security forces and the saudis(watch the video) stopped them. But it will still be called an Attack on Kaaba.

Someone here said that the demonstration was linked to the iranian revolution because it happened recently. thats 1987 buddy and the revolution was in 1979.

As far as the Abu Bakr (ra) discussion is concerned, i am going to open up another thread for that. InshaAllah.

The main point why they are called as shias, is because they were funded by the iranian government to perform this event. And if you want to point out the "wahabis" who took control of the Kaaba, then to tell you they were "SAUDIS" and they didn't bring loads of C4 with them.

I dont care if anyone believes in the video or not, but it is the truth if you don't agree with yourself with what you see then thats between you and your conscience, my duty was to make people aware of the pathetic act.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 04:35 PM

At the end of the day you Sunnis aren't going to convert the Shias here, and we probably won't convert you Sunnis either, so what is the point of regurgitating the same propaganda and arguments? Just accept that we are who we want to be and leave it to that.

This is a matter which has existed since the beginning of Islam, I hardly think a bunch of antagonists are likely to be able to settle the issue and somehow prove which sect is the right path. Therefore, the harm being done to our relations as Muslims and as an Ummah is far greater than the good that is being achieved through the arguments and accusations, so I recommend that you cease this stupid argument and others like it and just concentrate on improving yourselves before you go around casting aspersions and judging the intentions of other Muslims. You are causing fitnah and divisiveness which I know for certain to be against Islam.

In other words, just leave it.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 04:35 PM

attacks on kaaba , and floods

thru the history kaaba has been hit by several floods. it were made as the first piece of earth

then when hazra tibrahim (as) came to the place he found the basic ground of it. he built it to top level with his son ismail (as)

it was the king of yemen who with the forces of elephants (year of the elephant) tried to destroy kaaba, when Allah swt ordered birds to throw stones at them. surely the stones killed elephants

prophet mohammad saww, before revelation were the one who with all the tribes sat in the black stone

qarmatians, a kingdom of ismaili shias attacked the kaaba and stole the black stone. later on under the pressure of fatimid ismailis they delivered it back
-killed pilgrimes
-sacked kaaba
-stole the black stone

several floods

first wahabi assault on kaaba
-killing of pilgrimes
-disrespect and destroyement of holy places inside mecca and kaaba and in medina.

second wahabi assault
-demolation of jannat ul baqi with other graves
-destoyement of the four fiqas headqurater in mecca.
-other demolition of graves and holy sites.

floods the famous when mecca were flooded , probably in the 40s and 50s, then kaaba were extended and the floods stopped to come

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 05:10 PM

so I recommend that you cease this stupid argument and others like it and just concentrate on improving yourselves before you go around casting aspersions and judging the intentions of other Muslims. You are causing fitnah and divisiveness which I know for certain to be against Islam.


Very good comment... did you ever hear these names... Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman?

Brother.. if you think what you said there is true, then you should follow it too.

Also, Morg, what makes you believe that the graves in jannat al-baqi are destroyed? have you seen it yourself? just asking... and your sig is very blasphemous do you know that? just a comment to a sunni brother from a sunni brother.

(salam)

Edited by sahabalove, 23 June 2005 - 05:11 PM.


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Posted 23 June 2005 - 05:17 PM

why would shias attack the house of Allah, where mola ali was born... lol

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So they can overthrow those they hate the most(Sunnis) and takeover kaaba to worship it as a place for birth of Ali instead of Allahs house.

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So are you saying that we think Imam Ali AS is better than Allah SWT ...
no way ... youve been brainwashed by wahhabi's
lol
We say 'Ya Ali Madad' instead of 'Ya Allah Madad' ...
coz
Its easier to say ... no biggie
and then we dont like disturbing Allah for such small things so we call on Imam Ali instead ... ;)

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 05:49 PM

We say 'Ya Ali Madad' instead of 'Ya Allah Madad' ...
coz
Its easier to say ... no biggie
and then we dont like disturbing Allah for such small things so we call on Imam Ali instead ...  ;)

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Astaghfirullah. May Allah guide you.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 06:00 PM

(bismillah)

This here, without a doubt, got to be the biggest Mas’khara thread I have ever read on this forum.

It is funny people post rubbish; from Shias attacking the Ka’aba to ‘Madism followers from Iran took over the Ka'aba in 1979; such none sense isn’t only amusing; it really shows how gullible Sunnis really are.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 06:07 PM

It's a bunch of ..... but I won't lock stuff just cuz it's stupid... unfortunately :P

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 06:10 PM

(bismillah)

It's a bunch of ..... but I won't lock stuff just cuz it's stupid... unfortunately


Unfortunately :D

Maybe the Sunnis can explain to us why does the Baqee3 look like this?

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 06:12 PM

So are you saying that we think Imam Ali AS is better than Allah SWT ...
no way ... youve been brainwashed by wahhabi's
lol
We say 'Ya Ali Madad' instead of 'Ya Allah Madad' ...
coz
Its easier to say ... no biggie
and then we dont like disturbing Allah for such small things so we call on Imam Ali instead ...  ;)

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 07:30 PM

(bismillah)

I’m still waiting for a Sunni to reply here; you guys are here sine you’re active on other threads.

Don't be afraid; I won't bite :angel:

(salam)

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:05 PM

(bismillah)
(salam)

[2:197] For Hajj are the months well known. If any one undertakes that duty therein, Let there be no obscenity, nor wickedness, nor wrangling in the Hajj. And whatever good ye do, (be sure) Allah knoweth it. And take a provision (With you) for the journey, but the best of provisions is right conduct. So fear Me, o ye that are wise.

Voicing protest isn't quarrelling, the wahhabis turned it into a blood bath. For too long have the saudi rulers backed the U.S. administration, especially against the shia.

In hajj 2000, we were doing tawaaf, and there was a fairly large group of shabeb. One of them at the front, got on top of another one's shoulders, and turned around, and started shouting out phrases like "al mawtu li israa'eel" "la3natAllah 3ala man saa3ada amreeka" "sallu 3ala mu7ammad wa aali mu7ammad", and everyone in the group would repeat. The whole ka3ba literally came to a stand still, everyone (200,000+) was looking down. The man at the front then waved his arms, signalling (that's enough for now), and then the tawaaf began again. Sub7aanAllah what a sight. And you could bet Imam Mahdi (as) was there somewhere witnessing the whole thing.

The ka3ba is a place where politics should be discussed, it's the epicenter of the islamic world and unites all muslims. Rasool (pbuh) used to discuss politics there. The Saudis have to know the corruption and evil they are working. They backed Saddam 100% in his satanic war against Iran.

The shia have more right over the ka3ba than the wahhabi bakris. The shia have more respect for the ka3ba than any bakri, after all, it was where Imam Ali (as) was born.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:29 PM

Saudis funded the iraq-iran war? Wallahi if they wouldve ever funded against Iran, then there wouldve been nothing such as "Iran" today. Stop blaming Saudia for everything because they have the control of Kaaba and they are sunnis.

bro it was not just the saudiz it was all arabs<<(so called muslim) and this is not something u can hide bro so if i were u i'd just be quiet plz check u'r info (no offense ^_^ )

And please use some common sense, why would iranis demonstrate in Saudi Arabia for supporting Iraq with Khomenei pictures and trying to enter the haram? Even if they conduct this imbecilic demonstration, then they had no right to disturb the hajj and be violent to the resisting security forces.

Please don't say that "Where is the kaaba"? if you know about makkah and you watch the video carefully, you would see them trespassing to the haram.

Why they were trespassing? because C4 was found on shia travellers and they were stopped for security reasons. But their violence to enter the haram shows that their plan was disturbed, they became angry and went to an extend to enter the Kaaba with force.

"I dont see an attack on Kaaba"... when are you going to believe when every thing is over? the shias attempted to Attack the Kaaba and JazakAllah the security forces and the saudis(watch the video) stopped them. But it will still be called an Attack on Kaaba.

Someone here said that the demonstration was linked to the iranian revolution because it happened recently. thats 1987 buddy and the revolution was in 1979.

As far as the Abu Bakr (ra) discussion is concerned, i am going to open up another thread for that. InshaAllah.

The main point why they are called as shias, is because they were funded by the iranian government to perform this event. And if you want to point out the "wahabis" who took control of the Kaaba, then to tell you they were "SAUDIS" and they didn't bring loads of C4 with them.

I dont care if anyone believes in the video or not, but it is the truth if you don't agree with yourself with what you see then thats between you and your conscience, my duty was to make people aware of the pathetic act.

bro i thought we agreed that the iranies didnt want to do any harm to the Kab'aa

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 08:57 PM

Saudis funded the iraq-iran war? Wallahi if they wouldve ever funded against Iran, then there wouldve been nothing such as "Iran" today. Stop blaming Saudia for everything because they have the control of Kaaba and they are sunnis.


They spent $100 billion dollars during the war. A billion a month, to kill a million Muslims. Do your research, and you will find this fact confirmed.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 09:21 AM

^
And I wonder how much they gave to the (atleast the Muslim) Tsunami Victims!

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 01:27 PM

Astaghfirullah. May Allah guide you.

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Ameen.

I for one believe the Holy Kabba is protected which is why it will never EVER be in the hands of Shi'ites because these "wahabis" may not be the best of Muslims but they do not add anything to Hajj or to the prayers carried out at Masjid al Haram. It is a place to worship Allaah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala and may it be till Yom al Qiyama.

If it was in the hands of Shi'ites I know it would not be a place of worship solely for Allaah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala.




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