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Did any Shia Aalim ever convert to Sunni/Wahabi ?


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Poll: Which figure is greater in number? (357 member(s) have cast votes)

Which figure is greater in number?

  1. - There are more Sunni/Wahabi Aalim converted to Shia religion (260 votes [82.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 82.54%

  2. - There are more Shia Aalims converted to Sunni/Wahabi religion (55 votes [17.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.46%

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#226 inuit

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 01:02 PM

Aoa
can any body tell what are major steps to follow to be converted from suni to shia whats compulsaory which indicates tht now u become a shia form suni


salam,

To believe in the concept of Imamate & Wilayat


Jazakallah

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Posted 31 March 2006 - 10:48 PM

(bismillah)

number of converts ???

^_^

Quantity doesnt matters ! Quality matters :)
if u have Quality then 313 are enough !

and if u dont have quality then thousands are nothing against 72 !

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^^excellent :angel: .

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 07:37 PM

Listen up hommie G, i never said many Shia "ullama" are adhering to the ways of Ahl al-Sunna wa-l-Jama`a. I just said...that in the country i reside in the Shia population is dying. that is all.


I live in the same country as you, and I don't know what you mean by the shia population dying. I have met plenty of converts from muslim and nonmuslim, but I've never met a shia converting to anything else. Even when they are at the edge of disbelief, you still see them crying during muharram. I think you are just saying what you'd like to see. Imam Ali says the truth comes out even from the slip of tongue.

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 01:17 PM

where is jihAD ISLMAIL FROM? why did heave stop being sunni? is he an emarate arab/?

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 03:34 PM

Please list more names from both sides

From Sunni to Shia

(1) Wazir Turabi
(2) Muhammad Teejani Samavi
(3) Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã The Nights of Peshawar
(4) (B) The Nights of Peshawar
(5) © The Nights of Peshawar
(6) (d) The Nights of Peshawar
(7) Shiekh Jihad Ismail
(8) Maulana Ismail Deobandi
(9) Maulana Ghulam Husayn Naeemi
(10) Allamah Talib Husayn Kirpalvee (ex Barelvi) Shaheed
(11) Allamah Abdul Kareem Mushtaq – Ex Barelvi Shaheed
(12) Allamah Shah Zaeem Fatami
(13) Abdul Qayum Alavi
(14) Maulana Tawakkul Husayn – Ex Deobandi
(15) Maulana Hafiz Younis Gujjar
(16) Maulana Tajideen Haydheri – Ex Barelvi
(17) Hafiz Muhammad
(18) Allamah Haroon Gilani
(19) Maulana Abdul Saqi
(20) Allama Saeed u Rehman Alvi (sher-e-Pakistan) ex SSP (SSP name: Mulana Zahid-u-Rashdi)
(21) Mulana Imran (Rawalpindi)
(22) Hakeem Syed Mahmoomd Gilani Ex Ahle-Hadith
(23) Allama Saeed_u_Rehman Alvi(sher-e-Pakistan).
(24) Danish Alvi Charsada N. W .F .P (Pakistan) (recently killed by SSP).
(25) Shaykh Marwan Khleefat author of 'Raabtul safinah' (I boarded the ark of salvation)
(26) Shaykh Mu3tasim sayid Ahmed author of 'AlHaqeeqa AlThai3a' (The lost Truth)
(27) Shaykh 3isam 3imad, he had a debate with wahabi sheikh and compulsive liar Uthman AlKhamees
(28) Sheikh Abu Muhammad Ordoni,
(29) Hafiz Saif Ullah
(30) Moulna Mazhar ul Haq Shaheed (both he himself and his Doctor son were killed) Buraywala (Punjab)
Shia to Sunni

(1) Musa al-Musawi
(2) Ayatollah al-Burqai


Salamon alaykom, can you please tell us from which source did you use the name Musa al-musawi and Ayatollah al burqai as sunni converts please, because it is haram to mention names of families and people without full knowledge. (after all - Ayatollah Imam Al Khomaini Al Mosawi was a famous Respectable Shia 'Alim)

Edited by mosaa_uk, 13 April 2006 - 03:41 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2006 - 03:47 PM

Salamon alaykom, can you please tell us from which source did you use the name Musa al-musawi and Ayatollah al burqai as sunni converts please, because it is haram to mention names of families and people without full knowledge. (after all - Ayatollah Imam Al Khomaini Al Mosawi was a famous Respectable Shia 'Alim)


Waalakum salam, my dear brother

This questions really goes back to our Sunni brother on this forum. They listed these names. I just recompiled the list. So we can ask them this question. and also this is new thing for me that it is haram to mention names of families and people without full knowledge. i dont know what is the extent of that knowledge. please elaborate.

I think you confused Musa al-Musawi with Ayatollah Imam Al Khomaini Al Mosawi - These are two different personalities.

Thanks, and wasalam,

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 06:24 PM

My brother, The mosawi family is a sayed family that decend from imam mosa al kazim (a.s) it is a very big family that exists in iran, iraq and lebanon. so there is probebly hundreds of mosa's from the mosawi family, do you know how many mosawi family branches? when you included that name you shouldve been more specific and the reason i am questioning you is because i am perfectly sure that an alim by the name of mosa al musawi does not exist, therefore i wanted you to explain. Salam.

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 06:26 PM

that's ok, because it's been shown Ayatollah al burqai isn't real either, at least not as a convert to sunni.

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 06:30 PM

I really disapprove of false information published to wide audiences, especially in islamic matters.

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Posted 13 April 2006 - 06:51 PM

me too, but when someone puts it forth, the best course of action it refutation... and it WAS refuted :)

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 12:37 AM

I really disapprove of false information published to wide audiences, especially in islamic matters.


The least we did, we published the information which was given to us by our Sunni brothers.

I agree with you that this information could be wrong; but we can’t change it. And blame of providing wrong information goes to our Sunni brother not us, because we are not involved in its collection.

As for as mosawi family is concerned I myself belongs to Mosawi - sayed family. Being a member of Mosawi family I should be more worried about this problem but this false propaganda is not in our control; only we can do is to refute; and we did as Aliya said.

Isn’t is more disappointing, when they claim that there are more Shias converting to Sunni and when we ask us to provide the list; they cant do it. This thread is opened almost an year now. And the list of Sunni Ullima converted to Shia faith are much more in number.

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Posted 14 April 2006 - 01:43 AM

ol..no my friend. ISLAM is the world's fastest growing religion. Why do people want to make Sunnis and Shias seem so darn different. I know we differ in some things....but good Lord. Islam is Islam.

i agree
but

That's because unity is good, but ONLY on truth.

And truth is with Ali and Ali is with truth

but we shud unite in the name of islam and not in the name of any sect
so that our enemies may not get the better of us

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Posted 15 April 2006 - 08:19 PM

i agree
but

but we shud unite in the name of islam and not in the name of any sect
so that our enemies may not get the better of us


There is no religion of islam without the name of Ali (as). There is no namaz in islam without the Bismillah of which Ali (as) is dot of. There is no Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì without his Lion Ali (as). There is no justice without the call on help of Imam Ali (as).

unity will begin once the name of the murderer of Bibi Fatima (as) is stopped being praised!

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Posted 15 April 2006 - 10:45 PM

ok here i got some names.


Grand Ayatullah Abu Al-Fadl bin Ridha Al-Barqa'ei.
Sayyed Asad Allah Al-Kharaqani.
Ayatullah Sharee'at Sin'ghalji
Dr. Ahmed Kisravi, the grand court leader in Iran during the 50's who was killed
Dr. Shi'ar
Sayyed Mustafa Tab'teba'ei
Dr. Hujjatallah Mousa Al-Mousawi
Hujjatallah Hussain Al-Mousawi


there is no any Shia scholar convert to Sunnisim

Abu Al-Fadl Al-Barqaei didnt convert to Sunni & he is not Ayatullah, he only wrote a book criticim Al-Kafi book & i have his book "kasr Al-Sanam" & i read it two or three times & i found many mistakes in his criticim

Dr. Ahmad Kisrivi is a secular & he was working for the late Iranian king (Shah)

Hussain Al-Mousawi is a fake character & the one who creat this character is an Iraqi Sunni/Salafi person, he is in the jail now & admitted that he done that

Mousa Al-Mousawi, he was a Shia man then he become a socilast, then he made a sect for his won self. i read his book many times & in his book he criticim both of Shia & Sunni sect

the other names i never heard about it before & couldnt find any information about them, seem to me they are fake characters


here is some Sunni scholars who convert to Shia

Sheikh Hussain Al-Durghami (Egypt)
Sheikh Hassan Shehate (Egypt)
Sheikh Atallah Al-Saeed (Egypt)
Sheikh Qndil (Egypt)
Sheikh Mahmood Rajab (Egypt)
Sheikh Dr. Muhammad Muhran (Egypt)
Sheikh Dr. Muhammad Bakr (Egypt)
Sheikh Mousa Saleh (Egypt)
Sheikh Muhammad Abdulhafiz (Egypt)
Sheikh Muhammad Al-Antaki (Syria)
Sheikh Ahmad Al-Antaki (Syria)
Sehikh Jamal Al-Halabi (Syria)
Sheikh Seed Dahdooh (Syria)
Sheikh Abdulmuhsen Al-Serawi (Syria)
Sheikh Ibrahim Al-Qaderi (Syria)
Sheikh Hussain Al-Raja (Syria)
Sheikh Muhammad Naji (Syria)
Sheikh Abdulaziz Kan'an (Syria)
Sheikh Yaser Al-Hasaani (Syria)
Sheikh Ahmad Al-Ghezali (Syria)
Sheikh Dr. Muhammad Al-Tijani (Tunis)
Sheikh Mubarak Beghdash (Tunis)
Sheikh Ahmad Saleh (Tunis)
Shikh Hamad Al-Reeh (Sudan)
Sheikh Mutasem Sayd Ahmad (Sudan)
Sheikh buqroon (Sudan)
Sheikh Ali Al-Hashemi (Kuwait)
Sheikh Muhammad Al-Sehil (K.S.A)
Sheikh Muhammad Al-Rabeei (K.S.A)
Sheikh Dr. Marwan Khalifat (Jordan)
Sheikh Hassan Al-Saqaf (Jordan)
Sheikh Mustafa al-ordoni (Jordan)
Sheikh Dr. Isaam Al-Imaad (Yemen)
Sheikh Zakaria Al-Hadhrami (Yemen)
Sheikh Hassan Al-Aeidroos (Yemen)
Sheikh Dr. Muhammad Al-Mughli (Algeria)
Sheikh Abdulbaqi Gerna (Algeria)
Sheikh Mousa Shaki (Morocco)
Sheikh Al-Maqdesi (Palestine)
Sheikh Muhammad Shehada (palstine)
Sheikh Alawai Al-Atas (indonesia)
Sheikh Eidroos Al-Saqaf (indonesia)
Sheikh Hussain Al-Kaf (indonesia)
Sheikh Uloomaldeen Saeed (philippine)
Sheikh Ahmad Qaemi (Turkey)
Sheikh Muhammad Al-Amedi (Turkey)
Sheikh Murad Bazkin (Turkey)
Sheikh Hassan Kooni (Burkina Faso)
Sheikh Hussain Sorabi (Burkina Faso)
Sheikh Shareef Ahmad (Burundi)
Sheikh Alfa Umar Bah (Ghuinea)
Sheikh Ahmad Kolibali (Mali)
Sheikh Tijani Malem (Niger)
Sheikh Idrees Tijani (Nigeria)
Sheikh Abdullah Naser (Kenya)


i think the list will never end if we want to count all the sunni scholars who converted to Shia

so i think this is enough :)

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Posted 15 April 2006 - 11:32 PM

Were getting OWNED :cry: At least we are the truth :D

Sunni= Green
Shia= Blue

Ws, Sah


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Edited by THE GUARDIAN OF FAITH, 15 April 2006 - 11:34 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2006 - 11:59 PM

Were getting OWNED :cry: At least we are the truth :D

Sunni= Green
Shia= Blue

Ws, Sah


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bro, there is a good amount of shias in the south asian sub continent. there are also a lot of shias in bahrain, southern syria, and lebanon. I think your map is false

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 02:10 AM

hhhehe
wat abt the geography thing now
u guys have started to talk abt the geography now
lol

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 04:20 AM

Were getting OWNED :cry: At least we are the truth :D

Sunni= Green
Shia= Blue

Ws, Sah


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(bismillah)

18-20% of Pakistanis are Shia. and this Figure show not even single BLUE DOT in Pakistan.

also if you divide the sunnis(Green) in Barelvi,Salafi,Deobandi, Ahlul Hadith, Qadyani .. etc etc and then into Hanafi,Hanbali,Maliki and Shaf'ai, then area occupied by shia(Blue) will be greater then all of it. :dry:

w/s

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 05:43 AM

If it wasn't the Safawids use of force to convert the Sunni dominated Iran to Shi'ism then you guys would of been 1% of the total population of Islam and not 10%.

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 06:16 AM

If it wasn't the Safawids use of force to convert the Sunni dominated Iran to Shi'ism then you guys would of been 1% of the total population of Islam and not 10%.



If it wasn't for some sahaba's and their violent successor's use of force to convert the masses away from the Ahlul-Bait [a], then you would have an altogether different picture.

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 11:35 AM

(bismillah)

Please list more names from both sides
Please mention if there is any repetition in name.
Everyone new comer to post a name; please see the name first. If there is any more information about that Aalim please post.
Please dont repeat.

Bro Rizavi: We need more info about Maulana Waheeduzaman.

The following is the list:


From Sunni to Shia

(1) Wazir Turabi
(2) Muhammad Teejani Samavi
(3) ( a ) The Nights of Peshawar
(4) ( b ) The Nights of Peshawar
(5) ( c ) The Nights of Peshawar
(6) ( d ) The Nights of Peshawar
(7) Shiekh Jihad Ismail
(8) Maulana Ismail Deobandi
(9) Maulana Ghulam Husayn Naeemi
(10) Allamah Talib Husayn Kirpalvee (ex Barelvi) Shaheed
(11) Allamah Abdul Kareem Mushtaq – Ex Barelvi Shaheed
(12) Allamah Shah Zaeem Fatami
(13) Abdul Qayum Alavi
(14) Maulana Tawakkul Husayn – Ex Deobandi
(15) Maulana Hafiz Younis Gujjar
(16) Maulana Tajideen Haydheri – Ex Barelvi
(17) Hafiz Muhammad
(18) Allamah Haroon Gilani
(19) Maulana Abdul Saqi
(20) Allama Saeed u Rehman Alvi (sher-e-Pakistan) ex SSP (SSP name: Mulana Zahid-u-Rashdi)
(21) Mulana Imran (Rawalpindi)
(22) Hakeem Syed Mahmoomd Gilani Ex Ahle-Hadith
(23) Allama Saeed_u_Rehman Alvi(sher-e-Pakistan).
(24) Danish Alvi Charsada N. W .F .P (Pakistan) (recently killed by SSP).
(25) Shaykh Marwan Khleefat author of 'Raabtul safinah' (I boarded the ark of salvation)
(26) Shaykh Mu3tasim sayid Ahmed author of 'AlHaqeeqa AlThai3a' (The lost Truth)
(27) Shaykh 3isam 3imad, he had a debate with wahabi sheikh and compulsive liar Uthman AlKhamees
(28) Sheikh Abu Muhammad Ordoni,
(29) Hafiz Saif Ullah
(30) Moulna Mazhar ul Haq Shaheed (both he himself and his Doctor son were killed) Buraywala (Punjab)
(31) Idrees AlHussainy author of the book 'Laqad Shayya3any AlHussain' - 'Hussain made me a Shia'
(32) Maula Abdul Hakeem Carney (American - Chrirtian to Sunni then from Sunni to Shi'a Aalim
(33) Professor Ali Ibrahim...from Hindu (Tamil)-->Sunni--->Shia
(34) Shiekh Hamidu- South Africa
(35) Shiekh Safiyullah Khan - South Africa (former student al-azhar)
(36) Shiekh Shaheed Matti - South Africa (former Al-azhar Student)
(37) Shiekh Usama Abdulghani- Was a sunni, then became shia alim -USA (the other name: mawlaana osama al mughani)
(38) Dr Hamid Algar
(39) Moulana Zakariya (from south africa)
(40) Sheikh Abdillahi Nassir (In East Africa)
(41) Shiekh Ali Grant from argentina
(42) Professor Lekenhowzin (American)
(43) Dr. Tijani Samawi (Tunisian)
(44) Professor Istwili Claude (French)
(45) Dr. Isam Al-Imad (Yemeni)
(46) Hassan Shuhata (Egyptian)
(47) Roberto Arcadi (Italian)
(48) Dahir Hassan (American)
(49) Roberto Raico (Italian)
(50) Dr. Ali Linistad (Norwegian)
(51) Dr. Ali Kruger (German)
(52) Dr. Hussein Labiyal (German)
(53) Dr. Abdul Khaliq Aiman (Egyptian)
(54) Dr. Harish Waldman (Austrian)
(55) Amer Abu Tariq (British)
(56) Salih Al-Wardani (Egyptian)
(57) Yusif Kabisof (Russian)
(58) Ahmed Hanif (Canadian)
(59) Abdul Salam Al-Lagmish (Belgian)
(60) Fujiro Lumunuku (Italian)
(61) Abdul Wahid (Russian)
(62) Hassan Shamsuri (Malaysian)
(63) Ibrahim Zinco (African)
(64) Michael Buth (American)
(65) Dr. Ali Al-Shiekh (Iraqi)
(66) Abdul Baqi (Algerian)
(67) Mohammad Nadhim Zainalof (Russian)
(68) Shams Al-Arif (Indonesian)
(69) Mrs. Kazrum (Fatima) (Russian)
(70) Mrs. Hasina (British)
(71) Mrs. Nosrat bint Mohammad Isa (Malaysian)
(72) Mrs. Zainab Al-Hisi (German)

Shia to Sunni

(1) Dr. Hujjatallah Mousa Al-Mousawi
(2) Ayatullah Abu Al-Fadl bin Ridha Al-Barqa'ei.
(3) Sayyed Asad Allah Al-Kharaqani.
(4) Ayatullah Sharee'at Sin'ghalji
(5) Dr. Ahmed Kisravi, the grand court leader in Iran during the 50's who was killed
(6) Dr. Shi'ar
(7) Sayyed Mustafa Tab'teba'ei
(8) Hujjatallah Hussain Al-Mousawi
(9) Dr. Ali Muthfarian
(10) Mousa Al-Mosavi ---- Mousawi no#8 looks like the same person [river heart] please correct me if i am wrong
(11) Ahmed Al-Katib


Later on we will try to get their biographies.
Thanks for the members who are already posting in this thread.

Thanks Wasalam.

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 08:30 PM

Well thee are also some Shia who converted to sunni as well .. Its reality we must accept now ..

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 08:33 PM

Inuit, I don't appreciate you putting up some of those names where as some didn't even convert to shiism.

Here is my previous post;

Most these people I don't know very much about, but let me talk about a few I do know.

Musa Al-Musawi did not become a sunni, he criticized shiism. If my memory serves me right, his books were refuted by Sharafudin Al-Musawi.

There is no record of Ahmad Kasravi becoming a sunni, the thing with him is that he was generally an irreligious person and very secularist..and since he was living in Iran it was obvious he would attack Shiism. Plus, Kasravi was not an aalim, he was a historian.

Ahmad Al-Katib has attacked Shiism and has many problems with certain beliefs, but he still claims to be a Jafari Shia - not Sunni.

Al-Burqai ... honestly I have asked around about him, including senior scholars and they just don't know him. According to one sheikh in quoom he was a low level hawza student who was sunni from before. But anyways, we can't speak of this character since there is barely anything on him ...

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 08:00 AM

Can someone please provide some biographies of the listed scholars. I mean such things like who they studied under before they converted etc. Merely listing names is not valid proof.

Also although Shaykh Tijani was a sunni muslim before he became shia, he never was a sunni scholar nor does he claim to have been.

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Posted 19 April 2006 - 01:45 AM

Can someone please provide some biographies of the listed scholars.


i dont know which exactly you mean but its not easy to provide biographies but here is some of Sunnis who convert to shia

Sheikh Hassan shehate

Sheikh Ahmad Al-Antaki

Sheikh Al-Qaderi


Also although Shaykh Tijani was a sunni muslim before he became shia, he never was a sunni scholar nor does he claim to have been.


seem to me you didnt read his book carefully

Dr.Tijani was a deputy of Sheikh Ismail Al-Hadefi the cheif of Hadefi/Sufi sect, as every one know that the deputy must be a Sheikh

he wrote in his book "then i was guided" page 20

In spite of the new position given to me by the Shaykh, for he appointed me as his deputy in Gafsa, I was not totally convinced



Dr. Tijani studied in Zaituna university the second Sunni educational foundation

he wrote in his book "then i was guided" page 25

Some of al-Azhar's Shaykhs used to come to these meetings and liked what I recited from the Qur'anic verses and the sayings of the Great Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.), besides they were impressed by my strong arguments and asked me from which university I had graduated. I used to answer them proudly that I graduated from al-Zaituna University which was established before al-Azhar


click here to read some extra informations about him




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