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salam...

i recieved a warning from Roya, im still wondering why ? I asked for a halal thing . what did i do wrong ?

and i learnt

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salam...

i recieved a warning from Roya, im still wondering why ? I asked for a halal thing . what did i do wrong ?

and i learnt that mutah is halal from this very site , then

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salam...

i recieved a warning from Roya, im still wondering why ? I asked for a halal thing . what did i do wrong ?

and i learnt that mutah is halal from this very site , then why am i getting such warnings ??

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salam...

i recieved a warning from Roya, im still wondering why ? I asked for a halal thing . what did i do wrong ?

and i learnt that mutah is halal from this very site , then why am i getting such warnings ??

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This is what is happening in "ISLAMIC Republich of Pakistan" (The Majority Hadhrat Umar Followers),

The half reward of following sins may possibly going to soul of Hadhrat Umar.

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This is what is happening in "ISLAMIC  Republich of Pakistan" (The Majority Hadhrat Umar Followers),

The half reward of following sins may possibly going to soul of Hadhrat Umar.

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i think ur points would make a hell lot more sense if u could prove without a shadow f a doubt that if there was a Muslim nation which allowed Muta that there would be a. no masterbation among the men, esp the youth b. no adultery and c. no fornication.

u need to drop ur silly logic. ur asking the Sunnis to believe that in the yr 2005 you can have youth who dont have inpure thoughts leading to masterbation and worse? and that if mutaa was made halal that even 13-16 yr old boys who wanted to masterbate because they cant control thier hormones would do mutaa?

argue mutaa for mutaa's sake and do not bring Pakistan or any other Muslim nation in this. you can create as great a Muslim nation as you want and you would still have pornography, prostitution, adultery, masterbation, and what not.

and the question then rises that if Iran is this supposed Muslim nation where mutaa is not forbidden then why is it not rid of all the ills of society? fact is ur blaming human nature, be it disgusting, on Sunnis now?

ALSO: Stop trying to imply that we are HAZRAT UMAR followers in the sene you all are Hazrat Ali followers. we love/respect him and believe he practiced the Sunna of the Prophet, and if we believed otherwise we would never come to his defenses.

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masturbation or mutah?,

Not first neither second. If there no oportunity to marry, then "saum" plus "sabr".

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MARRIAGE !

I DONT TRUST M&M'S

Edited by Mary_Poppins

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assalamalaikum,

where does it say in Koran or ahadith that masterbation is haraam/mukrooh? What about marrie d women with the desire to masterbate? Excuse me if this has been asked but I couldn't get through all the posts.

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i think ur points would make a hell lot more sense if u could prove without a shadow f a doubt that if there was a Muslim nation which allowed Muta that there would be a. no masterbation among the men, esp the youth b. no adultery and c. no fornication.

u need to drop ur silly logic. ur asking the Sunnis to believe that in the yr 2005 you can have youth who dont have inpure thoughts leading to masterbation and worse? and that if mutaa was made halal that even 13-16 yr old boys who wanted to masterbate because they cant control thier hormones would do mutaa?

argue mutaa for mutaa's sake and do not bring Pakistan or any other Muslim nation in this. you can create as great a Muslim nation as you want and you would still have pornography, prostitution, adultery, masterbation, and what not.

and the question then rises that if Iran is this supposed Muslim nation where mutaa is not forbidden then why is it not rid of all the ills of society? fact is ur blaming human nature, be it disgusting, on Sunnis now?

ALSO: Stop trying to imply that we are HAZRAT UMAR followers in the sene you all are Hazrat Ali followers. we love/respect him and believe he practiced the Sunna of the Prophet, and if we believed otherwise we would never come to his defenses.

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Bismillah

Assalam o Alaikum

Brother Fzilla, this is public discussion forum and every one has right for his/her own views.

As far as other points that you raised, then my thoughts are:

1) Not every one could be stopped from performing sin. But in words of Mawla Ali (as): "Had Umar Ibn Khattab not banned muttah, then no one would have committed Zina except the wretched one (SHAQI)."

2) As far as Iran is concerned, there are some unfortunate facts which Shia nation has to ponder over.

- Firstly, due to propaganda of Ahle Sunnah (i.e. Mutah is Zina), we have also become followers of this Misguided Innovation of Hadhrat Umar and blindly following him. Perhaps 90% Pakistani Shia families (or may be more) even don't know what Muttah is, or even if they know, they discourage it and practically made it Haram upon them.

Note:

This is same as 4 wives are allowed in Islam, but Pakistani SUNNI Soceity (especially Pakistani Sunni Women) made it practically Haram for men to marry more than one wife, and it is concidered as sin.

3) In Iran, the Western minded people are strongly against Muttah (or 4 wives) in name of "Rights of Woman".

Shah of Iran passed the law, which declared Muttah to be Haram.

And result came out in form that there were around 60,000 prostitutes in Tehran only. For Shah, having these prostitutes better than allowing Muttah.

4) In beginning, the Iranian Women Organizations were strongly against Muttah. But a time came where prostitution raised to such level that these same Women Organizations are now supporting Muttah.

Masha Allah, this is a positive change and will result positively. Insha-Allah.

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5) And about Hadhrat Umar, then I cannot let him alone when it comes to issue of Muttah. He is involved in it and I am afraid all (or atleast much) blame goes to him for this.

Was Salam.

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Bismillah

Assalam o Alaikum

Brother Fzilla, this is public discussion forum and every one has right for his/her own views.

As far as other points that you raised, then my thoughts are:

1) Not every one could be stopped from performing sin. But in words of Mawla Ali (as): "Had Umar Ibn Khattab not banned muttah, then no one would have committed Zina except the wretched one (SHAQI)."

2) As far as Iran is concerned, there are some unfortunate facts which Shia nation has to ponder over.

- Firstly, due to propaganda of Ahle Sunnah (i.e. Mutah is Zina), we have also become followers of this Misguided Innovation of Hadhrat Umar and blindly following him. Perhaps 90% Pakistani Shia families (or may be more) even don't know what Muttah is, or even if they know, they discourage it and practically made it Haram upon them.

Note:

This is same as 4 wives are allowed in Islam, but Pakistani SUNNI Soceity (especially Pakistani Sunni Women) made it practically Haram for men to marry more than one wife, and it is concidered as sin.

3) In Iran, the Western minded people are strongly against Muttah (or 4 wives) in name of "Rights of Woman".

Shah of Iran passed the law, which declared Muttah to be Haram.

And result came out in form that there were around 60,000 prostitutes in Tehran only.  For Shah, having these prostitutes better than allowing Muttah.

4) In beginning, the Iranian Women Organizations were strongly against Muttah. But a time came where prostitution raised to such level that these same Women Organizations are now supporting Muttah.

Masha Allah, this is a positive change and will result positively. Insha-Allah.

====================

5) And about Hadhrat Umar, then I cannot let him alone when it comes to issue of Muttah. He is involved in it and I am afraid all (or atleast much) blame goes to him for this.

Was Salam.

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i know u have ur right to ur view, i was just in awe of the audacity of someone claiming that all the masterbation, porno, and or both found in muslim nations is now also the fault of Hazrat Umar.

but anyway you didnt address my points....if mutah is to be practiced as Shia claim does that mean every time a boy gets excited/horny he is to practice mutah?

had the Prophet (pbuh) not banned it, would there be no porno and such in the world today? would muslims be free of it? you can claim anything you want about Sunni propaganda but as other Shia have even stated no father really wants his/her own daughter to be practically be married for sex, for a temp period of time. even when Mutah was made halal it was for extreme cases. same with multiple wives, as time has progressed not only has it been less favorable economically but in terms of socity to marry 4 wives. now hazrat umad didnt ban that, so how come multiple wives isnt more prevelant in muslim society, including iran?

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^ thts why it is preferred to do early nikah, mutah in the society is only done to get to know ur partner like in pakistan, people get engaged , they do mutah so they can finish their studies then they can ge married, when u are directly married u have to follow the rules and regulations of nikah even if u dont live with ur husband and live at ur parent's house, each new step u take u have to ask ur husband's permission and wht if a couple get married, arranged marriage but dont like each other, the soultion is either to compromise or give divorce(which is least favourite).

In our asian society mutah is known to be least favourite the reason is that fathers think tht their girls are losing virginity but at the same time the divorce is increasing at an alarming rate.

I agree with u on this point tht there is a stuff known as abusing mutah, even there is a word of abusing nikah, some people who dont agree with mutah and cant hold their desire do nikah with the attention of fulfilng the desires and then giving divorce OR to fulfill the desires by haram act.

Mutah is for our own benefit, in mutah u can bring along ur own conditions like no sexual intercourse, doing mutah just to get to know each other.

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(salam)

in time of Umar and Imam Ali (as), alot of people were poor and could not afford mirrage or was harder on them to get married

Islam comes for all times, and everyone has their own capacity, some guy may need to get married young, so he does, while another needs to but can't cause not enough money, etc, so muta is a solution for him

ma'asalama

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