Ali

Debate ready in MP3 and Video Online

Rate this topic

79 posts in this topic

I see. Well, as an educated man I'm sure you accept science and have faith in it.

There is an interesting post that I would like you to read and I'm just interested to see how you, someone who doesn't follow a particualr religion, find this dialogue that has been posted. Here is the link: An Interesting Discussion

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have been thru that scenario along with other debates and still my views about "any" religion is still not convincible. Too much of a human attribute(s) involved when "any" religion is defining supreme being.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So what is your opinion on the fact that the Qur'aan has answered so many questions that Science only answered recently?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

DjibrilCisse, I found you reasonable enough to confutations and arguments but this is a very sensitive topic and I don’t want you carried away with the emotions. But just want you to know that I do possess ample knowledge and history of the religion and according to my findings…. well never mind…I think it is much better if we debate thru email.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
but this is a very sensitive topic and I don’t want you carried away with the emotions.

Bro with me you dont need to worry about emotions. Many a time i've been attacked by fellow Shia brothers because they get emotinal and i ALWAYS keep emotions under control when discussing because emotions and discussion dont go together. No better example than Palestine/Israel topics where I have tried several times to explain that Jihad isnt taking lace and that THERE ARE innocent people in Israel.

Unfortunately the majority of posters haven't reached the stage where they can think logically about the Palestine/Israel situation and I have been badly attacked on this board a long time ago under a different name.

But just want you to know that I do possess ample knowledge and history of the religion and according to my findings…. well never mind

Please dont stop bro. Nothing you will say can be worse than what I've heard from my own friends, face to face.

And your opinion will be respected.

I think it is much better if we debate thru email.

Actually Brother, I wasnt debating (even though, now that i reread my question, it looks like it)

I didnt mean to challenge you.

I cleanly and honestly wanted to know what your opinion was on the post because it interests me to see how it looks to you.

It wasnt a sarcastic or rhetorical quesion, I assure you of that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Salam,

This atheist did not present any good arguments. The debate was boring. :(

Kh

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Atheism, defined as a declarative statement that "God does not exist" has the same fault in logic as do all theisms and religions proclaiming that God does exist. Neither side can prove their point conclusively.

Thus, the only rational position is agnosticism, acceptance of the fact that no one on this earth can ever know for certain.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

evolution is a concept developed by an uneducated man, Charles Darwin and to date there is no proof of evolution hence it is called "darwin's theory" and not "law".

I cannot believe a man who was a drop out of university because he had not taste for education.

Education is key to Islam and is they key to progress.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Atheism, defined as a declarative statement that "God does not exist" has the same fault in logic as do all theisms and religions proclaiming that God does exist. Neither side can prove their point conclusively.

Paul, I see your point. What are the athiest (I'm assuming you're one, let me know otherwise) opinions on the miracles performed by various prophets, for example jesus healing people? I always thought these miracles were recorded as historical facts.

Naqi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(bismillah)

(salam)

Atheism, defined as a declarative statement that "God does not exist" has the same fault in logic as do all theisms and religions proclaiming that God does exist. Neither side can prove their point conclusively.

What kind of proof are you looking for? If you mean material proof, then you will never find it because God cannot be comprehended through the senses.

Thus, the only rational position is agnosticism, acceptance of the fact that no one on this earth can ever know for certain.

"The one who does not know has no authority over the one who knows". - Imam Jafar as-Sadiq (as).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
"The one who does not know has no authority over the one who knows". - Imam Jafar as-Sadiq .

Wow! Nice Quote! I love it!

thank you so much!

Bahlool

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(bismillah)

(salam)

Bro. naqim, all the miracles performed by the Prophets (peace be upon them all) were meant to prove their prophethood. They are not an evidense for the existence of god. As Imam Reza (as), said man must accept Allah through reason not miracles.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Salaam

Thanks Ali786 for that clarification - Yes I agree they (miracles) were to proove prophethood and not the existence of God. However (they were by way of God) so I was actually interested in how the atheists reason/explain these miracles. Do they accept that they occurred.? If so what reasoning do they give for how the individuals performed such miracles

Naqi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(bismillah)

(salam)

This answer most atheists give is there is no proof these prophets existed. They will also point to similar miracles in other religions. For example, the miracles that Jesus (as) performed like the virgin birth, walking on water, curing the blind, etc., these miracles are also attributed to pagan gods who existed around or before Jesus's (as) time so they say the Christians borrowed this from the pagans. This is actually not an unreasonable argument because many Christian beliefs have been adopted from paganism.

Edited by Ali786

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Original Thread: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?ac...t=ST&f=1&t=3527

Salam Alaikum.

The debate between Br. Hassanain Rajabali and a leading Atheist - Dan Barker on the subject "Does God Not Exist?" is now availableforviewingo nline.

The following links will launch the broadcast with Windows Media Player:

Debate Part 1

Debate Part 2

The following links will launch Windows Media Player within the browser using the appropriate plug-in:

Debate Part 1 - Embedded

Debate Part 2 - Embedded

Please contact us at DreamReapr@aol.com if you're experiencing any problems accessing the content.

Source: http://www.madressa.org

The debate is now available online in MP3 format. The debate can either be downloaded or heard online without downloading.

The first part is 10 MB & the second part is 6 MB.

Debate: Does God Not Exist (Part 1)

Debate: Does God Not Exist? (Part 2)

It would be helpful if you add your comments/ratings/reviews on the debate in the above website.

I'll try my best to upload the debate if I get the chance on to the ShiaChat servers with their permission.

P.S: If you're having connection problems, try again later. Naturally this debate is being downloaded bay many people.

Wa salam.

When you debate god... the ottis is NOT on those who do not believe the claim there IS a god, but those who do make the claim! IF someone says 3 elves from dimension X created the universe... the ottis is NEVER on the person who disbelieves to proove otherwise, but the person who is MAKING the claim to proove his point.

The title, the style very deceiving, and very smart ;) "does god NOT exist" basically removes the ottis of the believer to show THAT in fact GOD does exist and defend why they think that. It is absurd to make a claim and have the person who does not believe defend your claim!

Edited by Lebstyle

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Salaam

Thanks Ali786 for that clarification - Yes I agree they (miracles) were to proove prophethood and not the existence of God. However (they were by way of God) so I was actually interested in how the atheists reason/explain these miracles. Do they accept that they occurred.? If so what reasoning do they give for how the individuals performed such miracles

Naqi

My friend there are "miracles" being done daily. There's people out there have cured blindness, cancer, tonnes of desieses, they aren't prophets, they are tricksters or hypnotists.

Mesmer, the founder of hypnotism healed 3,000 people.. the blind, the sick, the old, he did it all! People would SWEAR he healed them... the BELIEVED they were healed... he just hypnotized them into believing their problems went away lol When you get into sub conscience, deindividualisation, group and crowd psychology you figure out when people are in masses, they become a single entity and actually are EASIER to fool. To this day we have these people, from faith healers to psychics, to even those who claim to chit chat with the dead! They charge money and they make a quick buck, or they get popularity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(bismillah)

(salam)

Hypnotization is a state of false reality. How about if those people were asked to psychologically, philosophically and generally scientifically provide evidence that they were healed?? Reality check wouldn't u say.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
(bismillah)

(salam)

Hypnotization is a state of false reality. How about if those people were asked to psychologically, philosophically and generally scientifically provide evidence that they were healed?? Reality check wouldn't u say.

I agree.

Read up on people like James Randi (www.randi.org). He will give 1 million dollars to anyone who can scientifically proove that he has supernatural powers. To this day not a single person has came close, many have tried only to fail miserably under the tests used to filter the false.

My friend, false reality is what we humans love. Why were the statues of ancient greece and rome errected? for a false illusion. The pyramids of ancient egypt... the aztecs, the list goes on and on. Beliefs have the power to alter reality, wether they be true or not, we have the power to make ANY belief true no matter how absurd.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"Paul, I see your point. What are the athiest (I'm assuming you're one, let me know otherwise) opinions on the miracles performed by various prophets, for example jesus healing people? I always thought these miracles were recorded as historical facts."

Put me in a time machine with a first aid kit and a zippo lighter, beam me back to biblical days, and you would be praying to statues of Barnabas right now!

You guys ever wonder if the angels that supposedly visited all the the folks back in those days, were not angels, but visitors from another planet?

Jesus's immaculate birth, alien abduction of Mary and artificial insemmination with alien DNA?

Star over Bethlehem, hovering space craft??

Angels appearing and disappearing, "Scotty, beam me up"?

Flaming Chariots in the sky, UFOs?

Gene Roddenberrys stuff makes more sense then the hocus pocus in the bible and koran!

Edited by Reginald Barnabas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Put me in a time machine with a first aid kit and a zippo lighter, beam me back to biblical days, and you would be praying to statues of Barnabas right now!

You guys ever wonder if the angels that supposedly visited all the the folks back in those days, were not angels, but visitors from another planet?

Jesus's immaculate birth, alien abduction of Mary and artificial insemmination with alien DNA?

Star over Bethlehem, hovering space craft??

Angels appearing and disappearing, "Scotty, beam me up"?

Flaming Chariots in the sky, UFOs?

Gene Roddenberrys stuff makes more sense then the hocus pocus in the bible and koran!

lol actually!!! there is some idiot who claims all this!! HHAHAHA

www.rael.org!!! he's got 60,000 idiots worshipping him right now! LOOOOOLL

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
(bismillah)

(salam)

Are they ever going to have that debate transcript ready? It's been over 7 months since the debate was held.

Salams,

inshallah they are trying to sort it out, ill let you know when its finished. i know they have been taking ages to complete it.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.