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MISS NORWAY SCANDAL:

Porn star receives death threats

Carin Pettersson 20.08.04 10:09

http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article267959.ece

The disqualified Miss Norway contestant, Iranian born Aylar, has received death threats because of her past as a porn star and left the country as she fear for her own safety.

«I really fear for my life now,» said 20-year-old Aylar Lie, to the Norwegian magazine Se og Hør Friday. «I have received a crystal clear message that there are people who want to kill me.»

Aylar was disqualified from Miss Norway when her past as a porn star was revealed. Now the Iranian born woman claims she is hunted by extremist Muslims who claim she has disgraced their people and their religion.

«The porn films I played in, has created more problems than I could ever imagined,» she said to the magazine. «Losing the finale spot in Miss Norway is one thing, now I’m also being violently threatened. The movies are the worst thing that could have happened to me.»

Violence alarm

Her lawyer, Hanne Gredal, confirms that threats have been made against Aylar Lie. She sent the violent threats to the police, who gave the young woman a violence alarm.

Due to the threats and the media pressure connected to the case, Aylar left the country Wednesday.

«I had to get away from all the commotion,» Aylar explained. «Oh my God, I’m only an ordinary girl who did something stupid earlier in life. Why must there be so much fuss? Why does some claim I have to die because of some small mistakes? I just don’t know what to do.»

Afraid of honor killing

The fact that several honor killings have been carried out in Scandinavia, frightens Aylar. An 18-year-old Iranian girl was strangled to death by her own father about a month ago at Furuset in Oslo. The reason for the murder was a culture clash between father and daughter. The Fadime case in Sweden 6 months ago, where Fadime’s father killed her because he did not agree with her lifestyle, also directed focus on honor killings among Muslims.

According to the magazine, Aylar was in Barcelona Wednesday afternoon. She will travel to a new destination Friday in order to escape the threats and the slimy phone calls.

«I have actually gotten nerve problems due to all this commotion and trouble,» Aylar explained. «And as long as I know someone is after me, I keep looking over my shoulder. I’m leaving all the commotion behind to get some time to relax.»

Wants to settle the score

The Iranian born girl wants to settle the score with the Muslim environment in Norway.

«Very many Muslim women want their freedom – and extremist Muslims have to respect that! That is the price they have to pay in order to live in a free country like Norway,» Aylar said.

She came to Norway when she was two years old and was raised by Norwegian foster parents.

«I consider myself as a Norwegian girl, and I expect to be treated as one!» Aylar stated.

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Sad story, although I don't know if it would be justified to kill her...

Perhaps not.

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One question, would you find it ok, if a member of your family became a porn star ?

Hah, now this is absurd...

What calamity... sadly I see that this possibility exists in some Muslim families...

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(bismillah) (salam)

A similar thing happened here in Denmark when a Lebanese girl made a porn movie. She was adopted by white Danes though so she wasnt really a muslim. The funny thing is that the muslims who gave her the threaths were themselves wathing her movie. lol

The thing with Aylar Lie is that shes not even a muslim.

She came to Norway when she was two years old and was raised by Norwegian foster parents
(Quoting from the article linked above)

She one of them iranians who left during the Revolution and hates Imam Khumeini. There are TONS of such Iranians living in Denmark, Sweden, canada and the US.

They eat pork, drink and marry non muslim males. They even tell others that they aren't muslims. Why then hunt them or give them death threaths?? EVEN if she WAS a muslim people should leave her alone. Its her life and on judgment day Allah swt will deal with her.

people should mind their own business.

Ma Salaam

Ali

Edited by Shia by nature

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In His Name, the Most High

Salaams to the believers;

She one of them iranians who left during the Revolution and hates Imam Khumeini. There are TONS of such Iranians living in Denmark, Sweden, canada and the US.

Firstly, let's get one thing straight. She was TWO years old - an infant, it's quite possible that her biological father and mother may well have hated the Islamic Revolution, however, to suggest that she hates - or more to the point - even knows about the Islamic Revolution is to be absurd.

She's probably been fed a steady diet of western propoganda against Islam, and now some moronic cultural Muslims are giving her a hard time because she happens to hail from an Muslim background and has stared in pornography.

Sure, pornography is haraam, no doubt about that - however, the culture that she has been brought up on considers such an activity as - shall we say remotely acceptable - hence she is a victim of the society she has been brought up in.

The people who are suggesting that she be killed, as an "honour killing" - are nothing more than the Muslim equivilent of rednecks - psychotic jocks who don't really have a clue about Islam, who's Islam derives itself more from their culture, than from the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet(S) and Ahl al-Bayt(A).

So please do not consider that the diatrabe flowing from the cultural Muslims who wish to kill her since she has said clearly:

"I consider myself as a Norwegian girl, and I expect to be treated as one! Aylar stated.

Also, we should understand that this tragic episode:

The fact that several honor killings have been carried out in Scandinavia, frightens Aylar. An 18-year-old Iranian girl was strangled to death by her own father about a month ago at Furuset in Oslo. The reason for the murder was a culture clash between father and daughter. The Fadime case in Sweden 6 months ago, where Fadime’s father killed her because he did not agree with her lifestyle, also directed focus on honor killings among Muslims.

This episode regarding the father killing his daughter - is an example of what's happening in Western Europe and the Amerikkka's and also other parts of hte world - where Muslims are Immigrants, and the current generation are at least 1 or 2 generations removed from their parents.

The parents aspire - but cannot turn that aspiration into a reality for whatever reason - to be back in their "good old days" - however, the children have adopted the culture of the day - the western culture - with all it's good and bad elements.

In reality, the children are not the ones to be blamed since they were ejected from their Islamic environment by the parents without being given a choice in the matter - they effectively had Western Culture imposed on them, and Islam is not to be blamed, because Islam provided a consistancy through all cultures.

The ones that carry the blame are the parents for initially leave their own countries, and then creating a sub-culture based on the eastern and western culture's bad elements and leaving Islam out of the equation - Islam would be the stabilizing factor. Ask ANY revert to Islam who has thoroughly researched Islam prior to their reversion.

Anyways, my point is simple. These so-called "honour killings" have no place in Islam, in Islam there is the Hudud, which is applicable in and Islamic Government type scenario for reasons that are obvious - you cannot impose an Islamic punishment (allegedly Islamic punishment - but that's another discussion) - on a society that has no Islamic Values and on a person who has no concept of Islamic Values (though may have some Islamic Values without knowing them).

The point is the father got angry at his daughter and killed her - plain and simple - it has NOTHING to do with Islam - NOTHING WHATSOEVER. To suggest that it does is absurd and reflects the gross ignorance of those suggesting such an absurdity.

With Salaams and Dua's to the believers.

MSHNAK

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Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim

Salaams to the Believers,

it is up to the Islamic state to apply Islamic law. not some radical psychos on the street.

Absolutely.

Having only read these news clippings regarding the case, I would say that this more a case of "cultural izlam" rearing its ugly head, with the talk of completely un-Islamic "honour killings" and death threats against a woman who is obviously anything but Muslim (having not been raised by Muslims even). Whether or not she is morally corrupt (which seems obvious) is irrelevant within the context that she is not Muslim, and not in an Islamic State. The threats are contrary to Islamic Law.

Wasalaam,

Jondab Ali

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Sure, pornography is haraam, no doubt about that - however, the culture that she has been brought up on considers such an activity as - shall we say remotely acceptable - hence she is a victim of the society she has been brought up in

If the culture she was brought up on thought being a porn star was acceptable, she wouldn't have been thrown out of the Miss Denmark pageant, would she?

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I would say that this more a case of "cultural izlam" rearing its ugly head, with the talk of completely un-Islamic "honour killings" and death threats against a woman who is obviously anything but Muslim (having not been raised by Muslims even).

How ignorant is that? Bad question - everyone knows it's completely ignorant. So a muslim is only someone who has been raised by muslims?

You sir are why I have abandoned any association with "cultural izlam" or any other kind of "Izlam". The sister doesn't need death threats for making her own choices. You sound like many Muslim men (bigots) who really dislike women and would seek to have them raised like Chia pets for your convenience.

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Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim

Salaams to the Believers,

How ignorant is that? Bad question - everyone knows it's completely ignorant. So a muslim is only someone who has been raised by muslims?

A Muslim is someone who testifies that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. However, I see no evidence that this "porn star" happens to be Muslim. In fact, she seems to identify more with a nationality than a religion.

You sir are why I have abandoned any association with "cultural izlam" or any other kind of "Izlam". The sister doesn't need death threats for making her own choices. You sound like many Muslim men (bigots) who really dislike women and would seek to have them raised like Chia pets for your convenience.

It's a shame that you feel that way, seeing that you don't know me or my views on women, and I have already condemned the treatment that the woman in question has recieved at the hands of a few cultural zealots.

Regretfully,

Jondab Ali

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(bismillah) (salam)

Firstly, let's get one thing straight. She was TWO years old - an infant, it's quite possible that her biological father and mother may well have hated the Islamic Revolution, however, to suggest that she hates - or more to the point - even knows about the Islamic Revolution is to be absurd.

As I said earlier: shes not a muslims due to her being adopted. Therefor she can do whatever she wants. EVEN if she WAS a practising muslim its not our business to her what to do. Allah swt will take care of it on judgement day.

I do believe that she knows about the revolution though. She must have asked her parents why she is raised by them when she doesnt look like them. They must have told her about the revolution etc. Many Persians that live here in Scandinavia knows about the revolution if not all.

How ignorant is that? Bad question - everyone knows it's completely ignorant. So a muslim is only someone who has been raised by muslims?

Dude: When one is MUSLIM one has to believe in the SHAHADA: LA Illah ha Illallah Muhammadurasullillah.

Now: The female is brought up by foster parents who aren't muslims. They havent given her an islamic upbringing. Being BORN into a muslim family or BY a muslim family doesnt make one muslim. Its the belief in the Shahada that makes one muslim.

You and I BOTH know that Aylar isnt muslim. So stop critisizing.

Ali

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A Muslim is someone who testifies that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. However, I see no evidence that this "porn star" happens to be Muslim. In fact, she seems to identify more with a nationality than a religion.

I find no evidence that you have any special authority to define who is a muslim and who isn't.

I see. One link to one article and you now choose to make judgements about people you don't know. How small of you. How judgemental of you.

The sister is not a Chia Pet for you to decide as to her beliefs.

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(bismillah) (salam)

find no evidence that you have any special authority to define who is a muslim and who isn't

The Holy Quran tells us this. The hadiths tells us this. Every NON muslim has to say the Shahada when he converts to Islam.

From her upbringing, and her statements we can read that she isnt muslim AT all. Since you joined the forum you have done NOTHING but criticizing the Religion of Islam and Muslims.

If you are here to HATE and spread false accusations the moderators will bann you very soon.

As you might have seen, other muslims in here actually dissagree with the "radical muslims" who want to kill Aylar.

Ali

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(bismillah) (salam)

Yo "Dude". I'm not a "Dude". Got it?

Dudette then. Happy? You have 21 posts. ALL of them contains some sort of ANTI islamic/Muslim statements.

When you behave differently and actually write something worth reading I will change dudette into Synner. But at the moment you do sound like a dudette.

Ali

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Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim

Salaams to the Believers,

I find no evidence that you have any special authority to define who is a muslim and who isn't.

I see. One link to one article and you now choose to make judgements about people you don't know. How small of you. How judgemental of you.

The sister is not a Chia Pet for you to decide as to her beliefs.

I have no authority, but you miss the point, as usual. The definition of what makes a person Muslim (shahada) is accepted by all Muslims.

Sincerely,

Jondab Ali

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(salam)

If a person's parents or grandparents, or even one parent or grandparent are Muslim, that person is considered Muslim unless and until he/she says otherwise. So it really doesn't matter who raised her, as long as she says she is Muslim, we can't say she's not. Maybe we can say she's not a practicing Muslim or ignorant of Islam, but we can't say she's not Muslim.

WaSalaam, Hajar

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Dudette then. Happy?

Better. You’re not off the hook yet.

You have 21 posts. ALL of them contains some sort of ANTI islamic/Muslim statements.

I speak my mind. I’m your worst nightmare – A Dudette with a brain. My SAT’s got me into Columbia.

My posts are absolutely Anti-Muslim because I tread this board and see what people like Jondab have done to Islam.

When you behave differently and actually write something worth reading I will change dudette into Synner. But at the moment you do sound like a dudette.

Summer classes allow me only so much time here but one who is less my intellectual counterpart and probably my junior, is in no position to tell me how to behave.

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If a person's parents or grandparents, or even one parent or grandparent are Muslim, that person is considered Muslim unless and until he/she says otherwise. So it really doesn't matter who raised her, as long as she says she is Muslim, we can't say she's not. Maybe we can say she's not a practicing Muslim or ignorant of Islam, but we can't say she's not Muslim.

You're correct and you're going to break the confused Englishman's heart - but that's OK.

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(bismillah)

You're correct and you're going to break the confused Englishman's heart - but that's OK.

Do you have a Problem with the English? It seems you have a problem with his nationality or does it tick you off that an Englishmen converted to Islam and hence intensifies your confusion?

Please clarify; I might be wrong ^_^

(salam)

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A Muslim is someone who testifies that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. However, I see no evidence that this "porn star" happens to be Muslim. In fact, she seems to identify more with a nationality than a religion.

I find no evidence that you have any special authority to define who is a muslim and who isn't.

I see. One link to one article and you now choose to make judgements about people you don't know. How small of you. How judgemental of you.

The sister is not a Chia Pet for you to decide as to her beliefs.

Judging from your statements, you do not seem to know much about even the basics of Islam.

So how can you come here to tell me about our faith, especially when you have never studied the tenets?

At any rate, we unanimously condemn the approach that these 'extremists' have taken.

ws

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