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Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani was not SYED

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It is quite ironic that there is no GENEOLOGICAL shajra of Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani

on this website. It would be a challenge! Reason: He was not a descendant of the

prophet as beleived by the people who run this website. I would like the

webmasters to post an ACCURATE FAMILY TREE of sheikh abdul qadir jilani that links

him to Imam Al Husayn and Imam Al Hassan [as claimed] both from father and mothers's

side. Readers: You will never see such shajras on websites normally nor in many

books on sheikh abdul qadir jilani because firstly there exists no such shajra and

secondly a few disputed ones that occur in books written in parts of pakistan and

india are so much full of errors that anyone who has studied the basic histories of

the imams [like imam ali reza a.s of mashhad, imam musa al kazhem a.s etc] and their

imamzadas, will immediatly find that they are false and totally oppose the facts

laid out in the greatest ahl ul sunna books. These shajras mention daughters and

sons of the first 12 imams THAT NEVER existed nor were born! [according to the

consensus of ulemas]. No wonder that no early imams of shajra ansaabs recorded or

accepted that sheikh abdul qadir jilani was a syed. Similarly no wonder that the

pious sheikh himself never claimed any such thing!

I have nothing personal against Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani or any member of any sect,

school of thought or cult. However i wish to bring to light, with credible and

authentic references some information which reinforces the fact well known to

learned scholars of all schools of thought that Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani, a pious

scholar, was a scholar but DEFINITELY not a Syed or physical descendant of prophet

Mohammad .

Instead of making lies, abuse or any unhealthy talk, i would rather talk with

references from the books of the well known scholars of Ahl Ul Sunnah wal Jamaah.

It is an indisputable fact that although Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani was a god fearing

pious man, he was NEVER a physical descendant of the Prophet of Islam through

neither Imam Hassan a.s nor Imam Hussain a.s

I notice that some emotionally charged brothers and sisters resort to abuse and

slander when presented with any information that is only intended to be shared on a

scholasitc level. Such individuals should learn to tolerate, coexist and have a

heart to listen to others as well. The knowledge of Ocean is not restricted to

anyone individual.

References from the most reputed Sunni Books that outrightly reject the widespread

subcontinent-india-pakistan rumor that sheikh abdul qadir jilani was a hassani and

hussaini syed, are below:

1) Imam Al ansab Ahmed Bin Ali Bin Al Hussain bin Ali Mahanna writes in his book

'Umdat al Talib' [page 112, delhi print] that:

'Himself Sheikh Abdul Qadir never claimed that he was a SYED/Descendant of prophet

of mohammad through Al Hassan or Hussain NOR did his sons make this claim. However,

this invention was made by his grandson Qazi Abu Salih Nasar Bin Abi Bakar bin Abdul

Qadir. However, during his period he remained unable to prove his claim to any

expert of shajra ansaab of sa'daats of his time and thus his claim was rejected by

the ulema. This was the sole reason why ahl us sunnah and other scholars rejected

this claim without any doubt.

2) Allama Dorran Syed Ahmed bin Mohammad Al Husseini writes in the family tree book

'Shajrat ul Awlia' that:

"All ulama-e-ansaab have clearly and openly rejected the Syedship of Sheikh Abdul

Qadir Jilani, i.e, he was not a hassani or hussaini syed as claimed by some people.

Also, no ulema of ansaab of his time or his sons time have recorded him as SYED or

descendant of prophet and nor did he claim this himself. Nobody in his life time

called or thought of him as a SYED either [i.e no ulema]. they only referred to him

as sheikh or respectable guide but not descendant of prophet . The first such

false claim [ana awwal min azhar haazahi id da'waa al baatila hooa nasar ibn abi

bakar bin sheikh abdul qadir] was made by his grandson nasar bin abi bakar bin

sheikh abdul qadir. He failed to prove this claim to any ulema of ansab.

3)Risala e Sufi which is published from 'Basar Parasti Khwaja Hassan Nizami Mandi

Bahawuddin, Zila Gujrat' writes in its ISSUE no 3. and page no 6:

"Sayyom Peer e Tareeqat is Hadrat Khwaja Mohiyuddin Abdul Qadir Jilani. His Silsila

e Nasab [family tree] is from the second caliph OMAR ibn Al Khattab al Farooq and

thus he is a descendant of Hadrat Omar Farooq"

4) Dr. Seyyed Tijjani Samouwi, a once devout follower of sheikh abdul qader jilani,

writes in his book 'Summa Ihtidiyat' [Then i was guided] after years of research

that:

"from most reliable sources of ansaab and history, it is evident that sheikh abdul

qadir jilani was not a Descendant of the Prophet of Islam through any chain or any

of his grandsons and he never claimed any such link and only unfortunatley people

from Pakistan and India fabricated such claims and published such erroneous and

highly controversial shajra nasabs attributing him as hassani and hussaini syed. The

qadri silsila is also attributed to him although it never existed during the

lifetime of this saint"

I hope this information, taken from the most reliable books, journals and names of

history of islam will suffice to say that i have tried to make a genuine

contribution to seekers of truth. Note: Respect for all faiths, all ulemas and all

people is wajib as an article of faith in every school of thought. This article is

only meant to serve as a step forward into research of history and nothing

derogratory towards any sect, cult or personality. It is hoped that this shall be

taken in good faith by those who genuinely seek to research on matters of such great

importance.

May Allah protect us from attributing false hadiths, false shajras/family links or

false connections of ourselves or anyone else to the Final Prophet, the Habib

Allah, Abu Qasim Mohammad . May Allah also guide all those who are in darkness

into the realm of light and truth and save us from following falsehood in pride,

arrogance or blind inherited belief.

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Are you a syed?

Syeds are those who deserve to be as such.

I am a hindu syed. :)

:squeez: :unsure:

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Sallam

Although i think he said right that he is hindu syed as syed is title of a nobal family and hindu (its actual meaning) are those who used to live in India.

Since he is hindu but he will not be Virantist

Sallam

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The Venerator of Ali,

That post on Sunni Razvi website was posted by me. They had no legitimate answer to it. I discussed this issue in great deal with a Qadri sunni on our site http://groups.msn.com/shiaofahlulbayt as well and as usual instead of facing the truth he started calling bad things to shia and their ulama. This is the typical behavior you get in return. The sunnirazvi website had no answer to my challenge either. I posted this message on other sunni sites as well. They all remained silent! Silence speaks for itself!

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Salaam

So it's your site? :) I am member of it. As you can see, The Venerator of Ali, has been banned :rolleyes:

And yeah, Abdul Qadir sahab was not a sayyid.

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Sallam

You people are much more educated than me, and your knowledge is quite vast.

All I can say that it could be one of the controversial historical matters in which shia scholars have different point of view.

I read book of Ayatullah Mutahari in which respected teacher wrote that Abdul Qadir Jillani was a controversial personality and descendent of Imam Hassan (without giving Ref. So no one knows that did he quoted sunni sources or not).

Where as in book “ Chouda Sittarey (14 Stars) “ by Allama Najmul Hassan Kararvi, it is written that Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani was not Syed, and he never claimed it, where as his nephew or some one from his family did claim it without any authentic evidence that is why his claim was rejected.

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this is a very intresting topic.......

i had asked many sunnies to provide a shajra of abdul qadir but never got one.

now what i figure out with my research that he was not a syed

he was a iranian person from town of jilan. in order to be a syed u have to have arabic.

but when we talk about jilani syeds, there are some naqvi saddat who migrate to jilan are called them selves jilani too

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this is a very intresting topic.......

i had asked many sunnies to provide a shajra of abdul qadir but never got one.

now what i figure out with my research that he was not a syed

he was a iranian person from town of jilan. in order to be a syed u have to have arabic.

but when we talk about jilani syeds, there are some naqvi saddat who migrate to jilan are called them selves jilani too

I never knew that. Its funny Shia's main country is in Iran. I guess most of u guys are not syeds. And i suppose the Wahabis are the true arabs of this century :!!!: . THe name Jillani was given to his because he was from Jillan. Just like Hazrat Juniad Baghdadi. He was given that name b/c he was born there.

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this is a very intresting topic.......

i had asked many sunnies to provide a shajra of abdul qadir but never got one.

now what i figure out with my research that he was not a syed

he was a iranian person from town of jilan. in order to be a syed u have to have arabic.

but when we talk about jilani syeds, there are some naqvi saddat who migrate to jilan are called them selves jilani too

That's b/c u just like to ignore it.

SAIYED-US-SADAT QUTUB-UL-WUJOOD, RAIS-UL-MAHBOOBEEN, QUTB-UL-AQTAB, GHAUS-US-AZAM AL-SAIYED AL-SHEIKH, ABDUL QADIR GILLANI,

Son of Al Saiyed Abu Saleh Musa Jangi Dos,

Son of Al Saiyed Abdullah Al-Jiyeli,

Son of Al Saiyed Yahya Al-Zahid,

Son of Al Saiyed Muhammad,

Son of Al Saiyed Dawood,

Son of Al Saiyed Musa,

Son of Al Saiyed Abdullah,

Son of Al Saiyed Mussa-Ul-Jown,

Son of Al Saiyed Abdullah Al-Hehadh,

Son of Al Saiyed Hassan Massna.

Son of Al Saiyed Amir-al-Momeneen Asad—Ullah—Hill-Ghalib Hazrat Imran Ali

Son of Abi Talib Son of Abdul Mutalib,

Son of Hashim Son of Abdul Munaf

Son of Qassa Son of Kulab

Son of Marrah Son of Kaab,

Son of Lavee Son of Ghalib,

Son of Father Son of Malik

Son of Nazdar Son of Kanana,

Son of Khazima Son of Madrake,

Son of Aliyas Son of Muzdar,

Son of Nazaar Son of Maad,

Son of Adenan Son of Owo,

Son of Own Son of Hameesaa,

Son of Jumal Son of Nibt,

Son of Kezar Son of Ismail Zahib Ulla,

Son of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH

Son of Torah Son of Qasir,

Son of Sharigh Son of Arghoot,

Son of Faligh Son of Shalikh,

Son of Keenan Son of Arfakhshad,

Son of Samm Son of Hazrat Huh Alehis Salam,

Son of Yardd Son of Idris,

Son of Mehmaial Son of Keenan,

Son of Anosh Son of Sheeth,

Abu-l Bashir (Father of Mankind) Hazrat Adam Safi-Allah, who was created from Dust, dust from Earth; Earth from Foam, foam from Waves, Omnipotence, which from WILL, and WILL from the Infinite Knowledge of Allah.

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you got a athenticated refrence??

i know iran is a shia country but beging syed has nothing to do iran as shia country.

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you got a athenticated refrence??

i know iran is a shia country but beging syed has nothing to do iran as shia country.

of course its authentic. This is accepted by all the Sufi/Sunni.

Look at the contradiction here!

he was a iranian person from town of jilan. in order to be a syed u have to have arabic.
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who is true syed and who is not is always going to be a question mark these days (for obvious reasons) how many syeds on this fourm can provide their own "100% authentic shajra" of being syed ????????

My point is that if a big number of sunnis and sufis see him as Syed, we should respect their believe, as only God knows the truth and its upto him to deciede not us

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you got a athenticated refrence??

i know iran is a shia country but beging syed has nothing to do iran as shia country.

of course its authentic. This is accepted by all the Sufi/Sunni.

Look at the contradiction here!

he was a iranian person from town of jilan. in order to be a syed u have to have arabic.

what you are trying to quote my sentence

my stand will remain same.

and a think accepted by all sunni and sufi do not make is trustable.

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you got a athenticated refrence??

i know iran is a shia country but beging syed has nothing to do iran as shia country.

of course its authentic. This is accepted by all the Sufi/Sunni.

Look at the contradiction here!

he was a iranian person from town of jilan. in order to be a syed u have to have arabic.

what you are trying to quote my sentence

my stand will remain same.

and a think accepted by all sunni and sufi do not make is trustable.

Indeed ur stand will remain into a contradiction. So u have to worry about what is reliable or what is not.

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you got a athenticated refrence??

i know iran is a shia country but beging syed has nothing to do iran as shia country.

of course its authentic. This is accepted by all the Sufi/Sunni.

Look at the contradiction here!

he was a iranian person from town of jilan. in order to be a syed u have to have arabic.

what you are trying to quote my sentence

my stand will remain same.

and a think accepted by all sunni and sufi do not make is trustable.

Indeed ur stand will remain into a contradiction. So u have to worry about what is reliable or what is not.

Sheikh bhi aur Syed bhi

have you seen Syed bhi and Khan bhi like Sir Syed Ahmad Khan

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you got a athenticated refrence??

i know iran is a shia country but beging syed has nothing to do iran as shia country.

of course its authentic. This is accepted by all the Sufi/Sunni.

Look at the contradiction here!

he was a iranian person from town of jilan. in order to be a syed u have to have arabic.

what you are trying to quote my sentence

my stand will remain same.

and a think accepted by all sunni and sufi do not make is trustable.

Indeed ur stand will remain into a contradiction. So u have to worry about what is reliable or what is not.

Sheikh bhi aur Syed bhi

have you seen Syed bhi and Khan bhi like Sir Syed Ahmad Khan

Bhai shiekh is not a last name. Sheikh means scholar.

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Bhai shiekh is not a last name. Sheikh means scholar.

In Iran and Iraq Sheikh used with a person who is non-syed

Did Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani himself ever claim that he is syed; any of his own book or saying? It was his grandson who for the first time made him Syed. I mean claimed for him that he is Syed.

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Son of Kezar Son of Ismail Zahib Ulla,

Son of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH

Son of Torah Son of Qasir,

Thanks you agree that the Name of father of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH is

Torah Son of Qasir NOT like other Sunnies who say that name of his father was Azar who was KAFAR and they quote a Quranic verse which DOES NOT show that Azar was a biological father of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH. I really appreciate. :P

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Son of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH

Son of Torah Son of Qasir,

Son of Sharigh Son of Arghoot,

Son of Faligh Son of Shalikh,

Son of Keenan Son of Arfakhshad,

Son of Samm Son of Hazrat Huh Alehis Salam,

Son of Yardd Son of Idris,

Son of Mehmaial Son of Keenan,

Son of Anosh Son of Sheeth,

Abu-l Bashir (Father of Mankind) Hazrat Adam Safi-Allah, who was created from Dust, dust from Earth; Earth from Foam, foam from Waves, Omnipotence, which from WILL, and WILL from the Infinite Knowledge of Allah.

But dear Sufi i could not find Prophet Nuh(AS) [Noah] in this shajra of abdul qadir Is'nt it interesting.

It means it can be wrong. am i right?

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Bhai shiekh is not a last name. Sheikh means scholar.

In Iran and Iraq Sheikh used with a person who is non-syed

Did Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani himself ever claim that he is syed; any of his own book or saying? It was his grandson who for the first time made him Syed. I mean claimed for him that he is Syed.

That shia believes dude. Shiekh means scholar. Sheikh Abdul Qadir al Jillani was known for his gold chain. His father was from Imam Hussan(r.a) and his mother was from Imam Hussian(r.a)

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Son of Kezar Son of Ismail Zahib Ulla,

Son of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH

Son of Torah Son of Qasir,

Thanks you agree that the Name of father of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH is

Torah Son of Qasir NOT like other Sunnies who say that name of his father was Azar who was KAFAR and they quote a Quranic verse which DOES NOT show that Azar was a biological father of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH. I really appreciate. :P

No problem buddy. I even believe that Hazrat Abu Talib(r.a) accepted Islam.

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Son of HAZRAT IBRAHIM KHALIL ULLAH

Son of Torah Son of Qasir,

Son of Sharigh Son of Arghoot,

Son of Faligh Son of Shalikh,

Son of Keenan Son of Arfakhshad,

Son of Samm Son of Hazrat Huh Alehis Salam,

Son of Yardd Son of Idris,

Son of Mehmaial Son of Keenan,

Son of Anosh Son of Sheeth,

Abu-l Bashir (Father of Mankind) Hazrat Adam Safi-Allah, who was created from Dust, dust from Earth; Earth from Foam, foam from Waves, Omnipotence, which from WILL, and WILL from the Infinite Knowledge of Allah.

But dear Sufi i could not find Prophet Nuh(AS) [Noah] in this shajra of abdul qadir Is'nt it interesting.

It means it can be wrong. am i right?

:!!!: There is a typo It suppose to be Hazrat Nuh(a.s). The site belongs to my friend i will tell him to fix it.

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Salaam

So it's your site? :) I am member of it. As you can see, The Venerator of Ali, has been banned :rolleyes:

And yeah, Abdul Qadir sahab was not a sayyid.

No my dear brother that is not my site, i also happenned to go in there to challenge those qadiris who claim this falsehood that sheikh abdul qadir was a syed. I am a shia, alhamdolillah not sufi and you are most welcome to join my site as well [http://groups.msn.com/shiaofahlulbayt]

Coming back to the tall boasting claims of brother Sufi [please dont mind but thats all]

1- It is false that all Sunnis/Sufis consider Sheikh Abdul Qadir to be Syed. This is another one of these typical unlearned comments you hear from those who go out of the way in their reverence.

2- The word Sheikh means "Old" in arabic and is not only referred to "Scholars".

3- The Shajrah provided by Sufi has no academic references/backing to prove it

4- Hilariously a NUMBER of SHAJRAS of sheikh abdul qadir are floated in various books/texts/website to support the claim that he is Syed. Quite funnily, they contradict and OPPOSE each other! So if someone claims sunnis/sufis have consensus over this matter is a lie as well. I will provide proofs if someone is really upto the challenge to take up this post. Inshallah.

5- Sheikh Abdul Qadir never claimed to be Syed or from descendants/itrah of the holy prophet pbuh from any of his writings.

6- Sheikh Abdul Qadir was not even an arab let alone a descendant of the holy prophet pbuh

7- Ayatollah Murtada Muttahari quoted the Sheikh and also controversy about him and so one of the controversies is his lineage itself!

8- Ayatollah Muttahari is not a Nassab / authority in ansaab al alavioon. Infact at a given time only few scholars are expert in this field, eg: late syed al mar'ashi, syed al bazanti al hussaini etc...

9- Scholars quote brief autobiographies of other people and sometimes they refer to the books of the school of thought the person belongs to, in order to briefly tell about the person. That so, is the case when Ayatollah al Muttahari quoted about Sheikh Abdul Qadir. This by no means is a study in his nasb.

10- The leading Ayatollah al Udhamas [who are higher in status and knowledge in Hawzahs] reject the claim that Sheikh Abdul Qadir was Syed. I have personally communicated with their offices on this matter and they include:

1- Ayatollah al Udhama Syed Nasir Makarem al Shirazi

2- Ayatollah al Udhama Syed Kazim Haeri

3- Ayatollah al Udhama Syed Hashmi al Shahroudi

4- Ayatollah Sistani's office [who provided the reference from the book Rowdat al Jinan by Sheikh Baqir al Khownsari to refute this claim and to apprise of other anomalities associated with this man]

5- Dr Mohammad Tejani Semawi [an ex sunni and member of the sunni tejaniyeh sufi tariqat]

6- Syed Kararvi al Rizvi, the author of the book "14 stars"

etc...

The list of proofs goes on. One more important thing to point:

The people who specialize in the books of Ansaab in Ahl ul Sunnah, their books are available online on www.alwaraq.com .... the most infamous titles...NONE OF THEM mentions Sheikh abdul qadir as a desendant of the holy prophet pbuh or imam hassan a.s although they mention numerous other sayyeds! This is inline with the information we have.

7- Ayatollah al Udhama Sheikh Jafar al Subhani, one of the most amazing writers of contemporary times, also DOES NOT record Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani or his son, grandson as a descendant of holy prophet pbuh or imam hassan a.s even though he mentions them in his book: Tabaqat al Fuqaha...an eleven volume collossal and amazing work. A sunni brother tried to argue that since he is shia and thus did it by purpose. This is a stupid lie because in the same book sheikh jafar mentions other sunnis who were in bukhara etc and were sayyeds and sunni/hanafi. This vindicates that the sheikh didnt conceal any truth!

8- Late Ayatollah Al Sheikh Ameeni al Najafi, the memorable name and the author of the definitive work on Al Ghadeer [in eleven volumes in arabic] also mentions about sheikh abdul qadir and does not admit anywhere and infact shows sunni reference of qadri followers who claim this.

9- The sufi Risala of Mandi Bahauddin run by Hassan Nizami [if i remember correctly / i will check it if someone needs] explicitly STATES that sheikh abdul qadir was NOT SYED!....it claims he had family links with ABU BAKR AND OMAR! instead.

10- There are some other weird sunni sources that claim sheikh abdul qadir to have geneological links with abu bakr and omar rather then prophet of islam [can be also provided if required] . However, they seem to be cooked up as well. The man was a persian and not an arab!

11- The shajra provided by brother Sufi in this thread is faulty like other shajras also advanced [i have got them all] in advance of this sufi sheikh. Once the discussion advances, i will actually also pinpoint how and where this shajra is wrong with individual commentary on each person in it!

12- No books of authentic ansaab al alavioon record any sheikh abdul qadir jilani as a syed or descendant of prophet of islam.

13- A lot of lies have also been attributed in form of writings, teachings and nonsense to the sheikh and their is also not consensus as to whether he was shafi'i or hanbali of madhab. Similarly it is also lot of miracles and qaseedas have been attributed in his name...all written centuries later! even he must laugh at all this!

14- Neither he nor his son claimed this lie, it was his grandson Nasr bin Abu Bakr bin Abdul Qadir al Jilani who made this false claim that they were descendants of prophet pbuh and when they were asked to provide a daleel for this, he failed...this is recorded in books of shajra nasab of alavioon...if anyone needs reference, we can provide.

15- When Late Ayatollah Syed Mohammad Baqir al Hakeem's office was contacted, they asked us to contact the experts in shajra ansaab to verify this matter and after consulting those books and scholars [mentioned above], the facts are simple and clear!

19- It should be noted that Dr Syed Mohammad Tijani, the ex sufi/sunni scholar also changed his opinion about the nasb of sheikh abdul qadir after his meeting in Najaf with late Ayatollah Syed Mohammad Baqir al Sadr r.a and people from hawzeh of Najaf and Baghdad University.

20- Abdul Qadir's father's name was Jang Dost or Jangi Dost, a persian name, which had nothing to do with the lineage of imam hassan a.s nor will you find it any authentic book of shajras....and there are around three to four dozen or more of those.

Ma'salameh

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Sheikh bhi aur Syed bhi

have you seen Syed bhi and Khan bhi like Sir Syed Ahmad Khan

have you ever heard the name of present ismaili imam:

prince karim aga khan .

ismailis say he is decendant of imams and yet he is khan .

thats so simple :D

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if you open up the local supplimant part of the standard oxford dictionary and look at the word: sayyid, it says decendants of the prophet through Husain. what so they mean to say those born from Hasan (as) are non sayyid, i was confused and then untill i came to the word sharifs, it says decendants of the prophet through Hasan.

and now those who say that because Shaikh Abdul Qader Jilani's actual lineage miss some link uptill Ali (as) , then let me ask all the sayyids of the world to bring up the lineage without missing any link.

its that presently you cant exactly know who is decendants of Prophet pbuh , they can be from Sayyid (in arabic which means leader) or from sharifs or from zaydi, jafari, baqiri, rizvi, kazmi, naqvi, quraishi or in khan (which means the leader) or the Shaikh (which means the leader).

the only people who lack the lineage from logical points are Ansaris.

one of the Greatest saint in subcontinent who is revered both by shias and sunnis is shaikh khwaja moinuddin chisti of Ajmer, he is rightly known as Sultan Al Hind or the king of India. he too is decendant of Maula Ali (as) and sayyeda Fatima (as).

so its better that we dont indulge ourselves in this type of discussions any more.

Moreover Islam prohibits Racism

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Well done with all ur Shia references to claim that they were not Sayid. And is this true that u guys accept that Khwaja Moinudding Chisti was a Syed? And funny a lot of Shias live in Iran and this means the Shia majority in Iran cannot be Sayid at all. :D

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Sallam

Well it is not much logical, if sunni and sufi scholars do confirm that he was syed then okey for them and if shia scholars (if not all) reject this claim on their research then okay for them, what is the point of fight each other ?

Secondly these are two different things one is Sheikh and second is Shaikh.

Sheikh is a title of the family just like Syed, Memon. Whereas Shaikh is title given to man because of his abilities.

Shaikh means a respected cleric now a days. And Sheikh means a respected cleric (non-syed). That’s the main difference in it.

I don’t debate on it if he was syed or not. But many shia scholars consider him radical.

And in his book “ Ghuniyat tul Talebeen” he discussed shia doctrine and came up with conclusion that shia are totally misguided etc.

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