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#1 GreatAli

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Posted 29 May 2004 - 07:06 PM

MISYAR MARRIAGE

A Misyar Marriage is a unique Sunni Muslim innovation. Misyar marriage is defined as an official marital "relationship" between a man and a woman who do not live together, and where the husband is not financially responsible for a Misyar wife. Misyar can be a temporary arrangement, but unlike the Mut'a marriage, which ends on the expiration date of the contract, the Misyar has no certain date for divorce, and it is up to the man to divorce his wife whenever, or if ever, he feels like doing so. The difference between a Misyar marriage and a normal marriage, is that the couple does not live in one household but remain on a visitor's basis.

The need for this type of marriage is, in part, the result of economic reality. In Egypt, most young men cannot afford to get married and support a wife and long engagements are common. A Misyar marriage allows him to marry a girl who then stays with her parents. The bride's parents feed and maintain her, and they meet on occasion for marital relations. Misyar marriage is often done by the poor who hope that someday their marriage will be a normal one where the wife and husband live together.

Misyar marriage has been practiced in Saudi Arabia and Egypt for many years. It was legalized in Saudi Arabia by a fatwa issued by Sheikh Abdel Aziz bin Baz and was officially legalized in Egypt by the Egyptian Sunni Imam Sheikh Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi in 1999. The Mufti of Egypt is a staunch defender of Misyar marriage.

The practive of Misyar marriage is often different from the original intent for creating this institution. Wealthy Kuwaiti and Saudi men sometimes enter into a Misyar marriage while on vacation. They believe that this allows them to have sexual relations with another woman without committing the sin of adultery. They travel to poor countries, such as Egypt or Syria, and meet middlemen who arrange the marriage for them. Some men arrange Misyar marriages online. The middleman brings some girls and they pick the one that they like most. These men pay the girl's family some money.

Families agree to the arrangement because of the money and the hope that their girl will have some fun and visit places that she can only dream about (i.e. luxury hotels and restaurants). They also hope for some gifts and at the end of the vacation and that the rich "husband" will give her some money and divorce her (although divorce was not a part of the fatwa which created Misyar marriage). Sometimes the husband keeps the wife for next vacation and sends her some money now and then. Many Misyar wives hope to win the love of their husbands so that they may live with them. Since the wife knows that she will most likely be divorced, but she does not know when, most Misyar wives take care to prevent pregnancy.

Misyar marriage is opposed by some Islamic scholars inside and outside of Egypt, especially scholars at the al-Azhar University in Cairo. Those who defend Misyar marriage claim that it is in accordance with Islam. They also say that it gives protection to many women who do not find husbands through traditional marriage.

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Posted 29 May 2004 - 07:11 PM

I heard the very first time about this type, from poiyut or whatever's topic.

This is evident that this is not a common practice prevailing Muslims.

I guess a sect like salfis have allowed this for themselves.

To me this is just not acceptible.

Anyway this is not Adultery as Mutah.

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Posted 30 May 2004 - 01:50 AM

Anyway this is not Adultery as Mutah.


So your saying that the prophet pbuh commanded his soldiers to commit adultery? Interesting logic - only a bakri would say such a thing :)

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Posted 30 May 2004 - 02:00 AM

A Misyar Marriage is a unique Sunni Muslim innovation.

Innovation alright-

Borders with shirk.

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Posted 01 June 2004 - 01:50 PM

salam
great ali u are really out of touch of ur religion or else u r just as naive as the salafis
sorry to say but look at wat u r saying
u think mutah is a sin????
well then go and find out the real rules and regulations for it
u cant do mutah unless there is a valid reson fo rit
and wat u call is not adultary ....weeellllll
that is basically a legal way of adultery(misyar)
look at it....... wat do u think which 1 is rite
some thing that u do for luxury(misyar) or something that u do for helping some1 out of despair and saving her to go in wrong hands(mutah)

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Posted 01 June 2004 - 01:54 PM

Wealthy Kuwaiti and Saudi men sometimes enter into a Misyar marriage while on vacation. They believe that this allows them to have sexual relations with another woman without committing the sin of adultery.


And people complain when I talk about arab/sunni mentality...

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Posted 01 June 2004 - 04:52 PM

The difference between a Normal Marriage and the Misyar Marriage is that the woman doesnt leave her father's house.

This is a tradition somewhere, practiced by some people.
The proof is that i heard about if for the first time.

Though i m not in favour of misyar marriage, as this was not Instructed by the Prophet of Islam (s.a.w).

BUT THIS IS TRUE THAT MISYAR IS NOT ADULTERY AS MUTAH.

IN MUTAH YOU SPECIFY THE TIME FOR RELATIONS.
Misyar is established as a Normal Marriage.

A TEENAGER BOY CAN HAVE SEX IN THE NAME OF MUTAH, WITH A TEEN WIDOW..
FOR HALF AN HOUR.
That Teenager boy has to accept the girl (virgin or widowed) for life, in Misyar.

A TEENAGER BOY CAN DAILY HAVE SEX IN THE NAME OF MUTAH, WITH A NEW GIRL.
That Teenager boy can enjoy the only girl, as She is her wife for life..

THIS IS A FACT THAT MUTAH IS NOTHING BUT ADULTERY WRAPPED WITH SHIA-FAITH.

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Posted 01 June 2004 - 05:31 PM

Sometimes I start to believe these guys actually belong to the rest of the human race, but then this... and back to my old belief.

There is seriously an intellectual deficit in the sunni community.

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Posted 01 June 2004 - 05:43 PM

Salvation you genius, do you know that Sunnis allow sex with slaves without marriage ?

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 12:33 AM

The difference between a Normal Marriage and the Misyar Marriage is that the woman doesnt leave her father's house......

THIS IS A FACT THAT MUTAH IS NOTHING BUT ADULTERY WRAPPED WITH SHIA-FAITH.

So you'd be ok then knowing your sister is having sex with your temporary brother in law in the room next to yours then?

Thats prostitution IN HOUSE :sick:


At least mutah is halal- and not as haram as this shirk sunni innovation.

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 12:57 AM

Though i m not in favour of misyar marriage, as this was not Instructed by the Prophet of Islam (s.a.w).


The Prophet pbuh didnt allow this fornication- so its a sin.


Misyar is established as a Normal Marriage.


How so when its not recognised by the Prophet pbuh or Allah SWT? Its a sin.

That Teenager boy has to accept the girl (virgin or widowed) for life, in Misyar.



....and according to YOU, the girl cant leave her fathers house. Some marriage! :!!!: :squeez: :!!!:

By far, this has to be the most stupid justification for bidah and shirk in the same breath. :!!!:

Edited by Patience, 02 June 2004 - 12:57 AM.


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Posted 02 June 2004 - 01:04 AM

(bismillah)

Sometimes I start to believe these guys actually belong to the rest of the human race, but then this... and back to my old belief.

There is seriously an intellectual deficit in the sunni community.


LOOOL

Not to mention the fact that most Sunnis acknowledge alternate forms of Mut3a, be it Misyar or Zawaj Urfi (In Egypt and across Northern Africa) - not to mention that Misyar is a deceitful way of marrying since you marry with the intention of divorce while in Mut3a, you're honest (since there is a specific date period) with the woman whom you're going to marry.

Wealthy Kuwaiti and Saudi men sometimes enter into a Misyar marriage while on vacation. They believe that this allows them to have sexual relations with another woman without committing the sin of adultery.


Tell me if I’m loosing my sight or not, but this sounds very much like Mut3a, but to the cow….I mean Wahabi Brain, it seems there is a difference.

(salam)

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 02:07 AM

Do all sunnis believe in Misyar? or is it just in the salafi aith?

Misyar seems more like a modification of muta! They probably couldnt say that shias were right about mutah so they started something new :angel:

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 02:08 PM

Misyar is not the Religion of Sunnis.
As this is not the Innovation amongst Sunnis. This is practiced in egypt or other parts but not so frequently.
So this is better to call it a TRADITION.

As you can't have any proof that THIS IS A SUNNI INNOVATION.
This is a challenge.
You can't produce any Evidence that Misyar is a sunni innovation.

But Mutah is your religion.
And this is Mutah which has given birth to the PROSTITUTION INDUSTRY of Iran.
And Iran is the First Country in the World with maximum number of Prostitutes as 300,000.

Though this is only the official figure.
Actual figures must be many folds of this.

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 02:09 PM

GreatAli Posted: May 30 2004, 12:06 AM

A Misyar Marriage is a unique Sunni Muslim innovation.

GreatAli Posted: Jun 2 2004, 07:08 PM

Misyar is not the Religion of Sunnis.
As this is not the Innovation amongst Sunnis.

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 02:12 PM

You can't produce any Evidence that Misyar is a sunni innovation.


Apart from your lack of active brain cells, here is a link to Bin Baz personal site from Saudiland with the original ruling on this issue. He calls it "marriage with the intention of divorce", but it's the same [Edited Out] with a different name.

http://www.binbaz.or...ult.asp?hID=323

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 02:13 PM

GreatAli Posted: May 30 2004, 12:06 AM

A Misyar Marriage is a unique Sunni Muslim innovation.

GreatAli Posted: Jun 2 2004, 07:08 PM

Misyar is not the Religion of Sunnis.
As this is not the Innovation amongst Sunnis.

:!!!: :!!!: :!!!:

You beat me to it bro!

Hajjaj is showing his errors so foolishly!!! :!!!: :!!!: :!!!: :!!!:

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 02:42 PM

No error on my part.
The topic I picked from a site and i pasted here unedited.
My intention was to make it clear that Misyar is not a sunni tradition.
As Poiyut raised a topic with this name, to attribute that FALSELY to Sunnis.

There is no capacity of Misyar within the religion of
1. Imam Abu Haneefa (r.a)
2. Imam Shafai (r.a)
3. Imam Ahmed bin Hambal (r.a)
4. Imam Malik (r.a)

Sunnis follow these four Imams.
And i have no report that Ahlal Hadith have opted for Misyar.

But definitely Misyar exists in Egypt etc.
Sunnis are not the supporter of Misyar.

And Mutah can't be compared with Misyar.
Mutah is comparable to Adultery only.

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 02:47 PM

I repeat.

You Can't prove that Misyar is supported by Sunnis.

Your Bin Baz is like you. (check the link for yourself as well)
So when are you producing the EVIDENCE??

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 02:58 PM

Hajaj aka GreatAli...... Answer this post :-

http://www.shiachat....showtopic=33299

Regarding your point about Mutah, i repeat :-

do you know that Sunnis allow sex with slaves without marriage ? Your Sahabas did it.

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 03:00 PM

Mutah is comparable to Adultery only.



So you're saying that Prophet pbuh&hp commanded his troops to commit adultery, naudobillah?! it isn't just that he ALLOWED them to do muta' (which you so brazenly compare to zina and adultery) but COMMANDED them to do muta'. man, you have a sick idea of our prophet pbuh&hp :shaytan:

Edited by Aliya, 02 June 2004 - 03:01 PM.


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Posted 02 June 2004 - 03:37 PM

There is no capacity of Misyar within the religion of
1. Imam Abu Haneefa (r.a)
2. Imam Shafai (r.a)
3. Imam Ahmed bin Hambal (r.a)
4. Imam Malik (r.a)

Sunnis follow these four Imams.
And i have no report that Ahlal Hadith have opted for Misyar.

(bismillah)

Oh so you follow SELF APPOINTED Imams?

Can you prove their Imamate via Quran?

Are they of the status of Ibrahim(as)?

And you follow them as imams who fight each other and created sects?

And they have their 'Religion'?

And can you prove that Prophet (sal) said that there will be 4 caliphs only? And only 4 Imams? PROVE It BY QURAN OR HADITHS..

There is just no way by which you can prove their imamate right...

P.S. Revert back to Islam or you will only have Zaquum fruits as your food...

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Posted 02 June 2004 - 03:52 PM

I am so ashamed that these people follow a religion with a similar name of mine.

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 04:22 AM

I am so ashamed that these people follow a religion with a similar name of mine.

(bismillah) (salam)

Ayy-MEN. What hole do these people crawl out of, anyway? :huh:

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Posted 03 June 2004 - 04:41 AM

(salam),

Great*** (sorry you ain't worthy of that name)

you said:

but unlike the Mut'a marriage, which ends on the expiration date of the contract, the Misyar has no certain date for divorce, and it is up to the man to divorce his wife whenever, or if ever, he feels like doing so.


Let me tell you something about the contract in Mu'ta. It is set by the husband and wife who will be practicing it. When the contract ends, it is NOT A DIVORCE. It is an expiration - Do you understand?

Basically, the only difference i see between Mu'ta and Misyar marriage is that the husband has the unfair authority to end the so called "marriage" whenever he deems. Otherwise, there is no difference between this "marriage and Mu'tah.

Sort it out. Your contradicting yourself right left and centre.




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