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Ive found the following Jewish guide to be rather useful, although not all halal fish are kosher since their laws are even more restrictive than ours. The criteria making a fish kosher/non-kosher seems virtually identical between them and us, so u guys might find this list useful too

http://www.kashrut.com/articles/fish/

And if any of you have PDA's I guarantee that copying this list will help you in those oh-so-tricky restuarant moments! :)

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one of my fav pre-conversion days sea food was crabs......

I love crabs... esp the way my grandma makes em... unfortunately i cant have em now..... *sigh

(bismillah)

(salam)

India doesn't have imitation crab?

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When we pull a fish out of the water, it suffocates. I was wondering if there is anyway to make the process of dying a bit less traumatic for the lil guys.

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When we pull a fish out of the water, it suffocates. I was wondering if there is anyway to make the process of dying a bit less traumatic for the lil guys.

(bismillah)

A quick reply to the catfish eating nutrients only. What you're missing is that they will clean everything off the ground and the walls of the tanks. Any mildo and garbage that forms, the catfish eat it to clean the water. You can control what food you put it, but you cant control the Alge and all that that forms underwater hence they are still consuming "garbage" and waste.

Second, regarding the fish not suffocating. Fisherman know not to let a fish suffer and as cruel as this may seem, you're supposed to kill it so it doesn't suffocate. How do they kill it? Smack it with a small bat on his head to knock it out and kill it.

I haven't brought myself to smacking the fish yet lol.. it seems so cruel but letting them suffocate is even worse!

Catfish have an exceptional ability to stay alive out of the water for quite some time.. it's kinda of freaky but subhanallah.

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btw isnt mackerel also without scales????

Yes seems that mackerels do not have scales, therefore they are not permissible to eat.

ws :)

Salaam alaikum,

Mackerels do have scales, just not on their heads. Their bodies are covered with small scales.

http://cnet.windsor.ns.ca/Environment/Advo...m/mackerel.html

When in doubt about fish, seek out a Nova Scotia website. Best of people there, really :D Though, sadly, this seafarer has been swept inland to Montreal... :cry:

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Ive found the following Jewish guide to be rather useful, although not all halal fish are kosher since their laws are even more restrictive than ours. The criteria making a fish kosher/non-kosher seems virtually identical between them and us, so u guys might find this list useful too

http://www.kashrut.com/articles/fish/

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once my friends n i were hanging out near pizza hut salmiya sea side... and there was this dude fishing... late nite... finally he got a bite ... pulled the thing out and it was kinda big..... so this guy just pulls it out and drops it on the pier thingy we were sittin on... this fisf poor guy was tossin and turnin and stuff... finnaly the guy got pissed or something he just went and pulled the line with the fish on it and smacked it hard on the ground... but the fish wont die.. so he smacks it and smakes it and smakes it... and we guys are just sittin there with our mouths wide open looking.... after a while the fish dies and he packes up and leaves... then we all start laffin and stuff and end up rolling on the ground thinkin of the event... I think im a sadist... but it was funny as hell...poor fish...

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I eat my words (ok, I white them out). I didn't see your conversion story, Netzari. Surfing through your posts - most of which are :-0 and :-D and :-@ - has taken too long just to review 4 days of posts, so I quit trying that, too.

Anyway, welcome back to monotheism. Stop being mad at me. Please.

-Abbie You're not Jewish. Get over it. Jews don't attribute partners to God Almighty; and they don't attribute any status to Prophet Jesus except for the possibility that he might have existed. Break one of those two, and you've either left or never ebntered Judaism. I'd be willing to vouch for the latter.

Ive found the following Jewish guide to be rather useful, although not all halal fish are kosher since their laws are even more restrictive than ours. The criteria making a fish kosher/non-kosher seems virtually identical between them and us, so u guys might find this list useful too

http://www.kashrut.com/articles/fish/

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salamu alikum

at the risk of sounding dumb... we can eat imitation crab and/or lobster meat?????????

UmAli

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salamu alikum

at the risk of sounding dumb... we can eat imitation crab and/or lobster meat?????????

UmAli

Holy Mackarel!

salaam,

with regards to this question, it simply depends on what this "imitation" is made from. E.g. you can get fish sticks that are like crab, but it depends what actual fish is used.

So if you know what kind of ingredients are used, then obviously you'll have your answer.

salaam

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salamu alikum

at the risk of sounding dumb... we can eat imitation crab and/or lobster meat?????????

UmAli

Because sometimes they use extracts from the crabs or lobster to create the flavor for imitation stuff. Some manufacturers do this and others don't. Be sure to check the ingredients first.

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Enclosed find an apology and other stuff too.

By the way, what is the color specification for light blue text on BBC posting codes?

I eat my words (ok, I white them out). I didn't see your conversion story, Netzari. Surfing through your posts - most of which are :-0 and :-D and :-@ - has taken too long just to review 4 days of posts, so I quit trying that, too.

Anyway, welcome back to monotheism. Stop being mad at me. Please.

-Abbie You're not Jewish. Get over it. Jews don't attribute partners to God Almighty; and they don't attribute any status to Prophet Jesus except for the possibility that he might have existed. Break one of those two, and you've either left or never ebntered Judaism. I'd be willing to vouch for the latter.

Ive found the following Jewish guide to be rather useful, although not all halal fish are kosher since their laws are even more restrictive than ours. The criteria making a fish kosher/non-kosher seems virtually identical between them and us, so u guys might find this list useful too

http://www.kashrut.com/articles/fish/

:wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

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thanks abby :)

You're welcome

-Abbie

disclaimer: Beware the "Friendly Shi`a"

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you missin out homie...catfish is good...put some hotsauce on that beesh...boy, you missin out ahk!

If pork were to be called delicious by someone, I would not be inclined to eat it. Same for manure. And blood. And roadkill. And alcohol.

And catfish.

If it is haram, I do not eat it. The so-called "fiqh" of the wahhabis is wrong, as is their usul, as if their `aqidah. See http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=32404 for further details or to argue about that there.

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Thanks for the clarification sis Hajar. :)

ws

I think people here are either following the Imams, or giving Quotation from Bible, But i still have to see a single Quote from the Authority Among us, the Qur'an. Allah has given a very clear ruling in it regarding seafood.

Allah says in the Qur'an 5:96 "All fish of the sea are made lawful for you to eat. During pilgrimage, this may provide for you during your journey. You shall not hunt throughout the pilgrimage. You shall reverence GOD, before whom you will be summoned." and at another place Allah says in the Qur'an 16:14 "And He committed the sea to serve you; you eat from it tender meat, and extract jewelry which you wear. And you see the ships roaming it for your commercial benefits, as you seek His bounties, that you may be appreciative." and at another place Allah tell us again in the Qur'an 35:12 "The two seas are not the same; one is fresh and delicious, while the other is salty and undrinkable. From each of them you eat tender meat, and extract jewelry to wear. And you see the ships sailing through them, seeking His provisions, that you may be appreciative."

The verdict on eating from the sea is extremely clear in the Qur'an. Fish of the sea has been made Halal for us, Allah no where in the entire Qur'an mentions Characteristics of FISH to eat.

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Catfish have no scales and it is a garbage feeder. That is quite simple. However there was a scientific news story about catfish that I read, but don't know if I copied it or not. I will try to search more for it. But in a nutshell the catfish has special skin without scales to protect it from sunlight. When it lives on the bottom and feeds there it is a healthy normal fish, but when it comes close to the surface of the water the sun can reach its skin. The fish's body somehow releases some type of chemical or hormone or something to protect it from the harmful rays of the sun. If you eat the catfish, you would be consuming some of those chemicals or hormones or whatever. Let's say that it is poison or toxic to your body, and if you eat enough of this only God knows how harmful it is. ws

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. i then asked what if the catfish was raised on a fish farm, and was given nutrients and special food? they told me that the food catfish eat is not the only reason, but they do not know exactly what the others reasons are.

You cant alter a animals nature, the catfish will always eat junk even if you raise it in a fish farm, just like a pig will always be najis because it eats its own faeces no matter how you raise it. Therefore maybe thats why its haram, not sure though.

Wallahu A3lam.

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Sharks have different kind of scales compared to other fish, but they still have scales, is it still permissible to eat shark? They are predators who feed upon other lesser fish and do not eat junk.

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If pork were to be called delicious by someone, I would not be inclined to eat it.

Exactly, I have never eaten pork and I have never felt that I was missing out. Thoroughly repulsive animal indeed. Even if it looks good there is plenty of halal foods out there that will taste just as good and fit nicely in my belly. I am also curious about the cephalopods and since we are talking about sea food what about mussels, sea stars, sea cucumbers, sea squirts and rays?

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My arabic is not good enough yet to read this, I know only very little amount of words, ayatollah sayyid fadlullah has a new book on seafood for those of you who can read arabic maybe this will be useful and interesting for you insha Allah http://arabic.bayyna...her/thimar1.htm

(wasalam)

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