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30 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Islam existed in those areas before the Saudis they should be allowed to practice their religion unless you also agree with Ilhem Aliyev suppressing Shias in Azerbaijan. Also those people are more unhappy because they have no faith, suicides are high and prospective for the future is low because of corruption.

Muslims turn blind eye to insanity and want Islam at any cost

Westerners turn blind eye to insanity and want democracy at any cost...

...the ideological missionary mindset of the two seem to have been inherited from the devil himself.
People worldwide have gone crazy and like spoilt children want what they want and when they want for instant gratification...and without any concern to consequences...WWIII

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1 hour ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Yes but Islam has and can adapt, democracy is tied to Western European norms.

The Islam that we talk about, the Saudi funded political one, is not the real Islam. Real Islam, like real humanity, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism (and not politicized ones), does not need to be legislated, enforced, or protected. It is in us and far bigger than us to be able to do anything to it. Attacking it or defending it is to have completely missed the point.

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2 hours ago, Wahdat said:

It is in us and far bigger than us to be able to do anything to it. Attacking it or defending it is to have completely missed the point.

Some could be tempted to this line of thought, but the events of Karbala demonstrated that something did need to be defended, and expressed through temporal action.

They could have said, “Real Islam is in is, bigger than us, so we don’t need to do anything about it”. They could have spared themselves a lot of physical suffering if they ascribed to this.

Clearly the message was to the community that (contrary to your given) real Islam is not within us, hearts have been sealed and something should, could and would be done about it - and some meaningful impact would derive.

To argue your point invalidates struggle itself to fatalistic futility, as truth will be victorious no matter what we do. Yet we are taught and placed on this Earth to “do”.

What exactly is “done” is another matter.

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2 hours ago, Wahdat said:

Attacking it or defending it is to have completely missed the point.

When you want to destroy a right don't attack it good ,defend it bad.

Dr.shariati

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14 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Islam existed in those areas before the Saudis they should be allowed to practice their religion unless you also agree with Ilhem Aliyev suppressing Shias in Azerbaijan. Also those people are more unhappy because they have no faith, suicides are high and prospective for the future is low because of corruption.

But we are talking about now and now...and not prior to the Saudi's dar reign. Your argument is the same as Al Nusra's in Syria vis-a-vis the Syrian regime and President Asad. 

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8 hours ago, Reza said:

Some could be tempted to this line of thought, but the events of Karbala demonstrated that something did need to be defended, and expressed through temporal action.

They could have said, “Real Islam is in is, bigger than us, so we don’t need to do anything about it”. They could have spared themselves a lot of physical suffering if they ascribed to this.

Clearly the message was to the community that (contrary to your given) real Islam is not within us, hearts have been sealed and something should, could and would be done about it - and some meaningful impact would derive.

To argue your point invalidates struggle itself to fatalistic futility, as truth will be victorious no matter what we do. Yet we are taught and placed on this Earth to “do”.

What exactly is “done” is another matter.

Karbala, imo, was about standing for justice and fighting tyranny. Imam Hussain (RA) did not rise to defend Islam....the same way as Sayid Nasrullah, Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez, Nelson Mandela, Gandhi and other countless historical figures. This is the message that I get from it. 

Contrary to Sayid Nasrullah's current struggle against tyranny, Afghan Mujahideen leaders were fighting to defend Islam with the slogan (Islam dar khattar ast/Islam is in danger) and appointed themselves as pious knights of the struggle against the Soviets...and we all saw how they were shamed for this over magnification of their selves and their egos. 

Why Sayid shines like a bright light and those Afghan leaders are a blimp is exactly that the later saw themselves as giants defending Islam as if Islam is that weak, that futile, and that needy so that any mortal can stand to defend it. People defend things that are weak from the things that are strong. This is a blatant of belittling Islam and magnification of the enemy du jour. 

Shias have constantly been beaten down, yet shias are way more religious than sunnis in many ways. Judaism is probably the most tortured religion in history....yet Jews remain strong and Judaism vibrant.

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2 hours ago, Wahdat said:

Afghan leaders are a blimp is exactly that the later saw themselves as giants defending Islam as if Islam is that weak, that futile, and that needy so that any mortal can stand to defend it. People defend things that are weak from the things that are strong. This is a blatant of belittling Islam and magnification of the enemy du jour. 

Imam Hussain  (as) sacrifice everything purely in way of Allah but Afghan Leaders were supporting a tyrant against other tyrant although people like Ahmad Shah Masoud had more pure act but at the end all of them betrayed him ,if he was remained alive now shia &Sunni were working shoulder to shoulder to build Afghanistan instead of fighting with each other & genociding by Taliban & Daesh

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33 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Imam Hussain  (as) sacrifice everything purely in way of Allah but Afghan Leaders were supporting a tyrant against other tyrant although people like Ahmad Shah Masoud had more pure act but at the end all of them betrayed him ,if he was remained alive now shia &Sunni were working shoulder to shoulder to build Afghanistan instead of fighting with each other & genociding by Taliban & Daesh

Both the sides in the current Syrian war could justify their actions as 'purely in way of Allah'..its a very abstract and subjective term to say the least.

Ahmad Shah Masood was the one who famously said that he will die before he lets Iran turn West Kabul into Southern Beirut. 
Ahmad Shah Masood was the one who broke the alliance between non-Pashtuns and instead joined Salafi Pashtun group (Itihad- the grandfather of ISIS & Nusra) whose main goal was to obliterate shias from Afghanistan.  He was a true and true ikhwani and the world is a MUCH better place in his ikhwani absence. 

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24 minutes ago, Wahdat said:

was a true and true ikhwani and the world is a MUCH better place in his ikhwani absence. 

But In Iran people still have respect toward him & nothing as was you said ,I don't hear at Iran If he was Ikhwani why Taliban martyred him ,I think they also distored his sayings.

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

But In Iran people still have respect toward him & nothing as was you said ,I don't hear at Iran If he was Ikhwani why Taliban martyred him ,I think they also distored his sayings.

Yeah I was surprised to see his pics woven on carpets at Bazar e Tehran....I thought it must have been because of race (as he was a Tajik), the myth that was built around him by CIA and KGB as he worked with and for both, and Iran's dependence on him after the rise of the Taliban.....He was sectarian, he was racist, and he was the best agent that security organizations could buy. Taliban did not kill him....he died 2 days before 9/11 by Alqaida.
 

 

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Oh and the Mazari that he talks about was very simillar to Sayid Mousavi of Hezbollah...
Funny and ironic thing was that during the fights between Mazari and Massoud, the later was getting way more support from Iran....prompting Mazari to complain to the Iranian ambassador how shias'd get dates and posters of scholars from Iranian embassy while Massoud US dollar. 
Oh and also, he was Iran's contingency plan against a Pashtun-Salafist movement in Afg.

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Thank God for the Russians who after decades of intermingling with central Asian women and having [Edited Out] children with them completely changed their culture and stifled the Sunni spirit of the region.Otherwise look at the barbarian roots of these Turkic people slave owners , herders and nomadic warriors they would be like a thousand times stronger than Taliban 

 

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20 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Thank God for the Russians who after decades of intermingling with central Asian women and having [Edited Out] children with them completely changed their culture and stifled the Sunni spirit of the region.Otherwise look at the barbarian roots of these Turkic people slave owners , herders and nomadic warriors they would be like a thousand times stronger than Taliban 

Stifling the Sunni spirit will stifle the Islamic spirit the theological basis of both sects are the same, promotion of Antitheism will not empower Shias. Ayotollah Sistani said the Sunnis are your brothers in faith, but people like you would allow such anti-religious trends to take place

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17 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Stifling the Sunni spirit will stifle the Islamic spirit the theological basis of both sects are the same, promotion of Antitheism will not empower Shias. Ayotollah Sistani said the Sunnis are your brothers in faith, but people like you would allow such anti-religious trends to take place

That's PC , shia leaders ofcourse dream of this unity with Sunnis who always want to disown them

We all know any religious Sunni movement hates shias more than jews or atheist but shias are  always dying for an elusive " unity "

I say better atheist central Asian than wahabi salafi 

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12 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

That's PC , shia leaders ofcourse dream of this unity with Sunnis who always want to disown them

We all know any religious Sunni movement hates shias more than jews or atheist but shias are  always dying for an elusive " unity "

I say better atheist central Asian than wahabi salafi 

Saying that's PC is not an argument. As a Shia it's better to have religious enemies than atheistic enemies. Let's also forget about Palestine and the Rohingya because they're Sunni, this is nonsense.

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On 4/22/2018 at 8:28 PM, Enlightened Follower said:

I had respect for Communists because of Iran-Russia alliance but I think I've changed my mind

These people are dogs:

 

"Tajikistan’s state television has aired a documentary that alleges that prostitutes in the country have been wearing Islamic veils to earn more money"

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/viral/tajikistan-state-tv-says-prostitutes-wearing-hijabs-to-earn-more-money-up-prices/

Salam Enlightened Follower,

These people are not dogs. These people are humans who need spiritual and economical help.

First, the government needs to allow freedom of religion. If any girl/woman of her own free will wants to wear the hijab, it is her right to do so.

Secondly, many women who become prostitutes do so out of dire need, since they are in poverty.

The reason why some prostitutes wear hijab there, according to the article is the following:

"prostitutes who said they had been wearing hijabs during their work but not to entice customers, but to avoid 'constant insults and verbal attacks in streets' and escape the eye of the police."

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/viral/tajikistan-state-tv-says-prostitutes-wearing-hijabs-to-earn-more-money-up-prices/

These women need help to repent and to attain a better life, because again, the main reason many women become prostitutes = extreme poverty. Without economical help, it's often the only way they can find to survive. Many nations after all do not provide help for the poor like other nations do.

Peace and God bless you

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16 hours ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Saying that's PC is not an argument. As a Shia it's better to have religious enemies than atheistic enemies. Let's also forget about Palestine and the Rohingya because they're Sunni, this is nonsense.

Religious enemies gonna chop our head for sure lol.

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