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Men in the West are becoming Feminized

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The focus of this topic is men becoming effeminate. This is not a discussion of feminism or women's rights, or even of women becoming masculine. Please stay on topic.

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13 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

@andres

Taking away men from power and feminizing them has been done before:

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Currently our society is in this stage, the Age of Decadence.

All empires come to an end, with or without female judges. Life quality in democratic nations are far better than in Muslim totalitarian states. Lets see how long the Iranian Male-dominated "republic" will live. My guess is that Iran within a generation will become a secular Muslim democrasy. The Arab states will probably have to wait longer. 

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32 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Yes but disagreeableness allows us to stand up to injustice even when someone is wrong but popular. 

No, disagreeable doesn't mean able to disagree. It means unpleasant. Someone who is disagreeable will lose credibility and their "standing up" will only hurt their cause. Not to mention, disagreeable people tend to advocate for disagreeable "causes" such as racism and other forms of intolerance. 

35 minutes ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Conscientious means being self conscious and not being able to do anything for fear of judgement

No it doesn't. Conscientious means caring about other people and situations besides your own. The opposite of conscientious is self-centered. 

 

Maybe English isn't your first language. Hope this helps. 

 

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Perhaps it is an oversimplification, but when we talk about the "beta" male, we mean a man who acts out of fear of being judged, and seeks acceptance, even if it means compromising his beliefs and convictions.

The beta male does what women expect him to do, even though they do not respect him for doing it. 

When I was in my early 20s, I found myself agreeing with things that I would now find abhorrent or immoral. And if I did not agree with them, I turned a blind eye. Things like drugs, promiscuity, vulgarity, etc. Some of my friends, including girlfriends, had gay friends, so I had a pretty laissez faire attitude towards that.

I gradually matured as I got older, and I remember an incident when I was in graduate school where several gay professors and graduate assistants were caught with pornography on their computers featuring young, or even underaged men. I remember hearing a few of these guys in the faculty lounge joking around about it, as if it were not a big deal. They openly proclaimed that this was part of their "culture". This, among other things, caused me to radically alter my attitude towards them.

I now assert that it is an unacceptable, deviant lifestyle that should not be embraced or celebrated. I am not afraid of saying this to anyone, as I no longer worry about "acceptance" from people that have no moral center.

Likewise, speaking out against things like promiscuity and drug abuse may not make a person popular, but real men have convictions and principles. They know what hurts society.

And I speak to the men here: women look to us for guidance and protection, even if they don't admit it. If we are weak, vacillating, and immoral, they will become like this too. If we do not speak against injustice, they will turn a blind eye. Without men of conviction and strength, "things fall apart: the center cannot hold ..."

 

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55 minutes ago, andres said:

Life quality in democratic nations are far better than in Muslim totalitarian states.

Quality of life is driven and sustained by economic progress.

Muslim countries economies will over take that of Europe, Turkey will outdo Italy by 2050.

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1 hour ago, Enlightened Follower said:

Quality of life is driven and sustained by economic progress.

Muslim countries economies will over take that of Europe, Turkey will outdo Italy by 2050.

To start with, Muslim states must come to peace with eachother. 

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20 hours ago, notme said:

No, disagreeable doesn't mean able to disagree. It means unpleasant. Someone who is disagreeable will lose credibility and their "standing up" will only hurt their cause. Not to mention, disagreeable people tend to advocate for disagreeable "causes" such as racism and other forms of intolerance. 

No it doesn't. Conscientious means caring about other people and situations besides your own. The opposite of conscientious is self-centered. 

 

Maybe English isn't your first language. Hope this helps. 

 

“careful and painstaking; particular; meticulous; scrupulous: conscientious application to the work at hand.”

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/conscientious

It does involve your awareness or conscious intention

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One aspect I will admit with those who disagree with me is men have empowered negative role models for women i.e. Miley Cyrus, promiscuous women such as adult film stars and cam models etc.

However, most of the men empowering those women are likely beta and desperate and likely have low testosterone if they were in a position of power they needn’t resort to such measures.

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Why are we overcomplicating things? I literally see over thoudands of articles written everyday on 'masculinity', 'how to be a man', 'masculinity is dying'. I don't want some random dude to give me lessons on masculinity. I don't want society to create so many pointless rules on masculinity. I consider myself to be masculine and I'm attracted to feminine girls. However I may not be considered masculine according to some random dude sitting behind a computer giving me tips on 'how to be a man'. This whole notion of 'men getting feminized' is not true. Also, feminists don't want to destroy masculinity - they respect people for being whoever they want to be, however they hold the view that no one should be judged. If you wanna keep a moustache, have overgrown armpit hair, talk with a deep voice, have inflated muscles, have high testosterone levels, then by all means, you have a right to be that way. I'm not gonna judge anyone.

Also, why are some users here attributing qualities such as piety to men, once it is shared by women. Do we all forget that Lady Fatima (as) is an infallible woman. Lady Fatima (as) has acheived a high rank, we'll never ever dream of. Then, why do we feel that femininity is a cause for men becoming 'okay with sin', 'sexual promiscuity' etc. It is insane to view femininty in such an offensive way. (I'm surprised no sister picked up on that comment)

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2 hours ago, ali_fatheroforphans said:

It is insane to view femininty in such an offensive way. (I'm surprised no sister picked up on that comment)

No brother you misunderstood when men become feminine their biology acts differently than women and they are less competent. As for the proof look at the first post for this thread the average man cannot even lift as much weight as 10 years ago.

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