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How can Abu Hanifa be a liar when he narrated the hadith "hasan and husayn are the two masters of the youth of paradise"? And aisha narrated hadith al kisa? The usual response is that the pagan arabs use to also say the virtues of the prophet but i find this argument weak because the pagas arabs only spoke fondly of the prophet before he conveyed revelation but after they called him a  liar and magician etc. Thoughts?

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Salaamun alaikum bro/sis. You apparently haven't read your ulama’s books.The four Sunni imams have declared each other to be infidels (Kuffars)
It is, however, astonishing that, knowing that the progeny of the Prophet are superior to all others, the Sunnis follow Abu'l-Hasan Ash'ari in the fundamentals of Islam and the four Imams in the articles of practice of the faith.
To follow such a course is due to fanaticism and arrogance. And even if we suppose what you say is true, that your four Imams are worthy of your allegiance because they were learned and pious, then why has each of them accused the other of infidelity?

For further research - click >>>   https://www.al-islam.org/peshawar-nights-sultan-al-waadhim-sayyid-muhammad-al-musawi-ash-shirazi/fourth-session-sunday-night#four-imams-have-declared-each-other-be-infidels

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2 minutes ago, ResistanceAxis said:

Are you saying how can he be a liar despite saying some truths? I guess the old saying fits as your answer: Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

im saying if we call abu hanifa a liar and a hater of ahlulbayt why does he narrate hadith in praise of them

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4 hours ago, Follower of Ahlulbayt said:

 And aisha narrated hadith al kisa? 

Aisha RA is not alone the narrator of the hadith kisaa , but Umme Salama RA, Safiya RA are also the narrators  of  this hadith. 

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1 hour ago, Follower of Ahlulbayt said:

im saying if we call abu hanifa a liar and a hater of ahlulbayt why does he narrate hadith in praise of them

Abu Hanifa was even problematic by Sunnis too (Ahmad bin Hanbal even cursed him) because he used to give his own opinions which are not allowed and thus becomes just lies. 

 

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6 hours ago, Follower of Ahlulbayt said:

How can Abu Hanifa be a liar when he narrated the hadith "hasan and husayn are the two masters of the youth of paradise"? And aisha narrated hadith al kisa? The usual response is that the pagan arabs use to also say the virtues of the prophet but i find this argument weak because the pagas arabs only spoke fondly of the prophet before he conveyed revelation but after they called him a  liar and magician etc. Thoughts?

Do you mean Abu Huraria or Abu Hanifa? 

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5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Abu hanifa was a Persian?

Is this anti Persian bias of Arab scholars?

Most of great sunni scholars had persian roots the highst of them is Bukhari that his hadith book is main book of Sunni muslims & rest of Sunni Imams Hanbaly shafei &MalikI had persian roots also Jilani which is greatest person of suffi muslims had persian roots from Gilan in North of Iran that in Arabic is Called Jilan.

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18 hours ago, Follower of Ahlulbayt said:

im saying if we call abu hanifa a liar and a hater of ahlulbayt why does he narrate hadith in praise of them

Those who stood against Imams (A.S) in Battle of Siffin, Jamal and Karbala few of them even know the merits of Ahlul Bayth (A.S) and they used to praise them. During the time of Holy Prophet (PBUH) non-believers used to praise him but that doesn't mean they were sincere to him and supporting his cause. Problem is that they never followed Ahlul Bayth (A.S) the way Allah wants them to follow. Even today you can see non-muslims and muslims praise Ahlul Bayth (A.S) but still they don't follow them. They don't consider them to be their Imams. All are giving lip service. 

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