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Jehovahs witnesses are a little confusing to understand. They are not Christian. Its confusing because they call themselves Christians.
A lot of Muslims think they are Christian but they are not. Johovahs Witnesses only started about 140 years ago by Charles Russell

They do not believe that Isa or Jesus is God. They believe he is a being that God created, an angel. Most Muslims know that Christians believe

in one God but that God is not a human being, God has three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That is not what Jehovahs believe.

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It doesn't matter since when they started.

It matters what they believe in, they consider themselves follower of Jesus , and God is one, just these 2 makes them non-mushrek and makes them ahlulketab.

Mushrik = someone who believes in the One God but associates partners with God in any capacity and in any of God’s exclusive rights.

From what Wikipedia says about them, their ideology seems better than Christian's of today, and close to Quran. (At least not all the details.)

Wikipedia Jehovah witness:

They reject Trinitarianism, They do not observe Christmas, Easter, birthdays or other holidays and customs they consider to have pagan origins incompatible with Christianity.[14]

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Can a man have permanent or temporary marriage with Christians since they are ahle-Kitab? Isn’t it clearly stated in Quran that you cannot marry a mushrik? All Christians are among mushrakein except for Jehovah witness. I am confused!

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9 hours ago, Rayhana80 said:

All Christians are among mushrakein except for Jehovah witness.

It depends on the personal believe of that Christian person, if he or she believes in either one of these 2 he or she is kafir (not ahlekitab, god used the word “kofr” for them,Quran 5:73): Jesus was god and trinity.

For a Muslim man, just temporary marriage is allowed with ahlekitab.

for a Muslim woman , none of the marriages is allowed with ahlekitab.

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On 3/20/2018 at 3:16 AM, Shi3i_jadeed said:

No. They believe in one God and they consider themselves Christian. 

They believe that Isa (as) and Adam (as) are Son of God. Also this is the most disturbing thing in their belief, they believe that Prophet Ya'qub (as) and Prophet Ayyūb (as) will go to Hell, and their Hell is:

"Those in hell are unconscious and so cannot feel pain. “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol"

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After reading their beliefs, most of them are just way too far misinterpretation of Bible verses. 

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5 hours ago, Arminmo said:

It depends on the personal believe of that Christian person, if he or she believes in either one of these 2 he or she is kafir (not ahlekitab, god used the word “kofr” for them,Quran 5:73): Jesus was god and trinity.

For a Muslim man, just temporary marriage is allowed with ahlekitab.

for a Muslim woman , none of the marriages is allowed with ahlekitab.

So a man can have temporary marriage with Christians who believe in father, son and the Holt spirit? Isn’t it shirk?

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Dear brothers & sisters - if we Shia Muslims understand a couple of our Fiqh's terminologies, a lot will become easier for us.

One is called Urf and the other is Harj.

I'll only explain Urf. Urf means what is commonly understood as. An example of Urf would be, you go to a third world country and find the tap water coming as muddy. You ask people if this water is tahir for wudhu, and as long as they consider it tahir, it is considered tahir. Now the same color of tap water in Paris, France may be considered contaminated, and in urf may not be considered tahir. 

All Christians and Jews are considered non-Mushrik as far as the Urf is concerned. Because if you start splintering the deen of the people, pretty much all of our Sunni brethren would be considered mushrikeen if they believe the sifat of Allah swt are separate from Him. In other words, anybody among Muslims who believes that Rahman is different and Allah is different, is a Mushrik. But in Urf they are not mushrik.

Lastly, it's funny how everything in SC ends up in the discussion of aqd-e-muta, so as far as that is concerned, a Muslim woman can not marry a non-Muslim in timed or untimed marriage. A Muslim man can marry a timed-aqd with a Christian or Jewish girl as long as he is not already married with a Muslim woman.

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Salam Alakium,

Jehovahs witness believe that Jesus is the son of God.  Below is what God says in the Holy Quran:

Bismillah ialrrahman ialrraheem,

"The Jews say,‘Ezra is the son of Allah,’ and the Christians say, ‘Christ is the son of Allah.’ That is an opinion that they mouth, imitating the opinions of the faithless of former times. May Allah assail them, where do they stray?!" -(at Tawbah 9:30 -ali quli qatai)

"They say,‘Allah has taken a son!’ Immaculate is He!  He is the All-sufficient. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth.
You have no authority for this [statement]  "Do you attribute to Allah what you do not know?  Say, ‘Indeed those who fabricate lies against Allah will not be felicitous." ( Yunus 10:68-69 -ali 
quli qatai)

Although, some of there religious stances are noble, we must stand on the side of truth.  The Quran sets straight what is out of line.  

I was one of Jehovah's witnesses for several years, spent many hours knocking on doors, I know there doctrine very well.  

Those that believe that true Christians exist today are somewhat deceived,  because the true pure gospel give to Jesus (pbuh) doesn't exists anymore.  It was destroyed and a new book was created called the Bible. The 4 books called the gospel in the Bible are really not the gospel given to Jesus (pbuh) but a mixture of traditions, mans philosophy, poetry, conjecture and some truth.  That why its full of errors, and contradictions.  

Any true sincere Christian Inshallah embrace Islam, because after your done sincerely searching for truth, there no pure light but Islam and the final Messenger Prophet Mohammad. (peace be upon him and his purified progeny.)

Those to whom We have given the Book follow it as it ought to be followed: they have faith in it.

As for those who defy it -it is they who are the losers. - (in al-Baqarah by Ali Quli Qara'i)

If your follow the Book the way it ought to be followed, Inshallah it will lead you progressively into Islam.

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On 2018-03-27 at 12:40 AM, vaughan said:

Jehovahs witnesses are a little confusing to understand. They are not Christian. Its confusing because they call themselves Christians.
A lot of Muslims think they are Christian but they are not. Johovahs Witnesses only started about 140 years ago by Charles Russell

They do not believe that Isa or Jesus is God. They believe he is a being that God created, an angel. Most Muslims know that Christians believe

in one God but that God is not a human being, God has three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That is not what Jehovahs believe.

Jehovas witnesses is a Christia sect. They do not believe in trinity and they believe the Bible is Gods infallible word, As fundamental religious groups do, they are certain that their interpretation is the only correct interpretation. There always have existed Christians that did not believe in trinity, and those that do are not all in consensus of how to define trinity. When the Church in 1054 split up into Orthodox and Catholics, the definition of Trinity was one of the reasons for this conflict.  

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Asalam Alaykum,

True Christian= Followers of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh)

Followers of the Prophet Jesus = Torah law + Gospel = A Muslim Christian

1) Worship the one True God Allah 

2) Observes the Sabbath day 

3) Eats and drinks Kosher dietary laws 

4) Observes the 7 Torah Commanded Feast Observances

5) Refrains from wearing unlawful immodest clothing 

6)  Understands that the blood of animals or humans cannot expiate for our sins.

These are the basics.

As you can see, there's not many Christians obeying the Torah as Jesus (pbuh) did.

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5 hours ago, Jer said:

Asalam Alaykum,

True Christian= Followers of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh)

Followers of the Prophet Jesus = Torah law + Gospel = A Muslim Christian

1) Worship the one True God Allah 

2) Observes the Sabbath day 

3) Eats and drinks Kosher dietary laws 

4) Observes the 7 Torah Commanded Feast Observances

5) Refrains from wearing unlawful immodest clothing 

6)  Understands that the blood of animals or humans cannot expiate for our sins.

These are the basics.

As you can see, there's not many Christians obeying the Torah as Jesus (pbuh) did.

What do you call this Christian sect?

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7 hours ago, Jer said:

Asalam Alaykum,

True Christian= Followers of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh)

Followers of the Prophet Jesus = Torah law + Gospel = A Muslim Christian

1) Worship the one True God Allah 

2) Observes the Sabbath day 

3) Eats and drinks Kosher dietary laws 

4) Observes the 7 Torah Commanded Feast Observances

5) Refrains from wearing unlawful immodest clothing 

6)  Understands that the blood of animals or humans cannot expiate for our sins.

These are the basics.

As you can see, there's not many Christians obeying the Torah as Jesus (pbuh) did.

The things you haven’t considered:

the only 2 laws prophet jesus did not keep was sabbath and some dietary laws, that’s why in Quran we don’t have sabbath. (Unfortunately Paul deleted all of the laws in Christianity. )

God sent prophet jesus for 2 reasons, making life a little bit easier by changing 2 laws, and informing them about coming of Ahmad:

Quran 61:6

And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter(Ahmad) is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

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You cherrypick from a Gospel you believe is corrupted. The Quran that does not tell much if anything on the teaching of Jesus, says Jesus confirmed the teaching of the Torah. If you believe this, read the Torah, and see for yourself what the Torah teaches. Not sure you guys like all if it.

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You guys ever considered why the Quran (Muhammed) never said the Gospels and the Quran were corrupted? They were well established in Muhammeds days and as we know them today. However not many could read them in the 7th century, especially not Arab speakers. Had Muhamed read them, the Quran had also stated they were corrupted.

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1 hour ago, andres said:

Had Muhamed read them, the Quran had also stated they were corrupted

Christians & Jews were leaving among Arabs so they had translated texts &they were  speaking Arabic 

Even from corrupted sources you can find truth.

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6 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Christians & Jews were leaving among Arabs so they had translated texts &they were  speaking Arabic 

Even from corrupted sources you can find truth.

Doubt the Christian and Jews in Mekka knew Greek or Hebrew. Most of them could not read. The truth you find is what fits with the Quran. A very selective ant subjective way to judge. Still the Quran never say the Gospels and Torah are corrupted. Muslims say after having read them. 

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5 minutes ago, andres said:

Doubt the Christian and Jews in Mekka knew Greek or Hebrew. Most of them could not read. The truth you find is what fits with the Quran. A very selective ant subjective way to judge. Still the Quran never say the Gospels and Torah are corrupted. Muslims say after having read them. 

Quran says these two books texts corrupted by Raabis &priests 

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14 hours ago, andres said:

What do you call this Christian sect?

Asalam Alaykum,

The list of Torah keeping Christians is very extensive.  The earliest follows of Jesus (pbuh) that observed the 7th day Sabbath as required by the 10 Commandments given to Moses are: The Nazerenes, the Ebonites, and the Essenes.  Today most are called Messianic's, 7th day Adventist, etc.

According to the Christian Scriptures: Jesus said : "Do not think I came to destroy the law or the prophets, I came not to destroy but to fulfill."  Matt 5:17

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2 hours ago, Jer said:

Asalam Alaykum,

The list of Torah keeping Christians is very extensive.  The earliest follows of Jesus (pbuh) that observed the 7th day Sabbath as required by the 10 Commandments given to Moses are: The Nazerenes, the Ebonites, and the Essenes.  Today most are called Messianic's, 7th day Adventist, etc.

According to the Christian Scriptures: Jesus said : "Do not think I came to destroy the law or the prophets, I came not to destroy but to fulfill."  Matt 5:17

We know unfortunately very little about theese early Christians. They were Jewish. The Ebionites belonged to the Jerusalem parish that was lead byJesus brother James. They believed Jesus first became divine at his baptism. (described in Johns Gospel). They also rejected the Virgin birth. (remarkable!, Jesus brother ought to know if it happened) In early Christianity differences in beliefs like these seem to have been tolerated in the Christian community. As the Roman Church grew powerful, they were called heretics. 

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22 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Quran says these two books texts corrupted by Raabis &priests 

Are you certain? Where does the Quran say the Torah and the Biblical Gospels are corrupted?

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15 minutes ago, andres said:

Are you certain? Where does the Quran say the Torah and the Biblical Gospels are corrupted?

وَإِنَّ مِنْهُمْ لَفَرِيقًا يَلْوُونَ أَلْسِنَتَهُم بِالْكِتَابِ لِتَحْسَبُوهُ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَيَقُولُونَ هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّـهِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّـهِ وَيَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّـهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ ﴿٧٨

And lo! there is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that ye may think that what they say is from the Scripture, when it is not from the Scripture. And they say: It is from Allah, when it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie concerning Allah knowingly. (78)

 

http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.pickthall/3:78

 

The late Allameh Tabatabai also believes that the phrase is understood to want to make a record that it is difficult to record, recite and understand the Qur'an, and that it refers to the truth of the Quran in a protected tablet, that is, if the Quran is with It remained with God and it did not put it in Arabic and read it as it is now, that fact was taller than the ordinary understanding of human beings accessed, so God, by rejecting that transcendental truth in the language of the Prophet Which was Arabic, it was easy to understand and useful to mankind. [20] Therefore, it is clear that the cited verses not only do not have an interest in the non-divine words of the Qur'an, but on the contrary, with careful consideration, there can be evidence of the divinity of the Qur'anic verses along with such interpretations as reading, reciting, tretyl, the Word of God, etc. It is clear that the words are readable and recited, not meanings and concepts, and, on the other hand, "the employment of these interpretations in terms of the Arabic language only narrates the words of others in such a way that the words and Both meanings are from the other, and the narrator merely recites it or reads it and does not give it anything. "[21]

https://hawzah.net/fa/Magazine/View/5211/7150/87176/آیا-متن-قرآن-از-جانب-خداست

On ۱۳۹۷/۱/۹ at 10:35 AM, andres said:

What do you call this Christian sect?

 

 لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ النَّاسِ عَدَاوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّا نَصَارَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ ﴿٨٢

 

Latajidanna ashadda alnnasi AAadawatan lillatheena amanoo alyahooda waallatheena ashrakoo walatajidanna aqrabahum mawaddatan lillatheena amanoo allatheena qaloo inna nasara thalika bianna minhum qisseeseena waruhbanan waannahum layastakbiroona (82)

 

 

Surely thou wilt find the Jews and those who associate the bitterest of mankind in enmity toward those who believe. And surely thou wilt find the highest in affection to those who believe those who say: we are Nazarenes. That is, because among them are divines and monks and because they are not stiff-necked. (82)

 

http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.daryabadi/5:82

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