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US power waning slowly but surely?

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It seems as though the US is slowly but surely losing its influence around the world, this has been happening for a while in the middle east, the events post 9/11 and the failed invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan have proven that the US military power is unable to shape the outcomes it desires in the middle east. The NATO intervention in Libya proved to be another disaster. However, now we're seeing trends in terms of the split between the US and Europe and even with some allies of the US in East Asia. For a long time the US and EU were inseparable, but now with the US position on things like the climate change agreement, the Iran nuclear deal, position on Jerusalem, positions about membership in UN organizations like UNESCO, we can see shifts in priorities. Now even in East Asia, Japan just announced they will recognize Palestine; https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Japan-to-Boost-Financial-Political-Support-for-Palestine-20180207-0014.html. Also, North and South Korea seem to be trying to embrace some kind of dialogue at least and hopefully a peaceful settlement or a unification perhaps. Yesterday's march was particularly monumental; http://time.com/5141298/winter-olympics-opening-ceremony-north-south-korea/. To me all of this seems to be a decline in US power all over the world, and yesterday I was watching a video about increased US militarism in Africa, my suspicion is this is perhaps to try and keep the US relevant on the global stage because beyond Egypt, I cannot really see what strategic significance any African countries serve for the US. Yes, there are a lot of resources in Africa, but I don't see why they need military bases when US corporations are pretty much all over the continent profiting at the expense of the local populations. Perhaps this is just a symbol of power, etc. 

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This is the fate of all super powers throughout the history of mankind, they rise and fall, Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى mentions this in the holy Quran, that we may take lessons from this. Eternal and unlimited power belongs only to Him.

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10 minutes ago, IbnSina said:

This is the fate of all super powers throughout the history of mankind, they rise and fall, Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى mentions this in the holy Quran, that we may take lessons from this. Eternal and unlimited power belongs only to Him.

More like delutional power, they think they have everything, when in fact, they can't manage to do anything.

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If they are losing world influence I'm very scared of the United States lashing out in a bid to continue to be the number one power in the world even if it cost thevworld everything. I'm scared of it starting in Syria. :(

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It doesn't seem like a slow decline from where I'm standing. It scares me a little. It could turn out well for us to no longer have to police the world, but I don't think it will. 

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42 minutes ago, notme said:

It doesn't seem like a slow decline from where I'm standing. It scares me a little. It could turn out well for us to no longer have to police the world, but I don't think it will. 

You mean it's a fast decline?

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1 hour ago, Wholehearted Shi'a said:

If they are losing world influence I'm very scared of the United States lashing out in a bid to continue to be the number one power in the world even if it cost thevworld everything. I'm scared of it starting in Syria. :(

Yeah the threat of nuclear war is very real, the escalation on the Russian border is the biggest threat right now, the doomsday clock has moved to two minutes before midnight.

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57 minutes ago, Mohamed1993 said:

You mean it's a fast decline?

It started slow, probably even before I was born, but it feels like a free fall now. Even the illusions are crumbling, let alone the realities. The United States government wants the population to believe that we lead the world in everything that matters. We do not lead in standard of living, science, technology, economics, education, human rights, infrastructure, or healthcare, and probably not military might. We aren't even the epitome of a representative government or individual freedom. I'm not sure how long we've been none of these things, but only recently the population is noticing. It's going to collapse, and what happens then is anyone's guess. 

I predict we will devolve into feudalism and overt oligarchy, with warring factions around each "royal family". That's pretty much what we've got now. They'll just stop pretending it's not. 

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15 minutes ago, notme said:

It started slow, probably even before I was born, but it feels like a free fall now. Even the illusions are crumbling, let alone the realities. The United States government wants the population to believe that we lead the world in everything that matters. We do not lead in standard of living, science, technology, economics, education, human rights, infrastructure, or healthcare, and probably not military might. We aren't even the epitome of a representative government or individual freedom. I'm not sure how long we've been none of these things, but only recently the population is noticing. It's going to collapse, and what happens then is anyone's guess. 

I predict we will devolve into feudalism and overt oligarchy, with warring factions around each "royal family". That's pretty much what we've got now. They'll just stop pretending it's not. 

I moved here 6 years ago, the image I had of the US as a non-American is so different to reality, there's untold levels of poverty here, people struggle to pay for healthcare, so many have to hold down multiple jobs just to get by, and worst of all, they're even arresting people for helping the homeless. I really wonder why America loathes the poor so much. It's like they're told poor people don't work hard, so we should pay no attention to them, glorify the rich, you can be just like them, the classic American dream, but for anyone that has any sense of reality knows this is an illusion. The American dream relies on exploiting other people if everyone chased their dream, no one would accomplish theirs. 

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America even if it loses the status of super power will still remain a large player in world politics for decades to come. But it still is a superpower and the only one at that so dont expect the next day on the news to see China owns the world.

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Just now, Forgottenthinker said:

America even if it loses the status of super power will still remain a large player in world politics for decades to come. But it still is a superpower and the only one at that so dont expect the next day on the news to see China owns the world.

Point is hard military power is one thing, soft power is another, the US has been losing its influence steadily over time mostly because it itself has made very bad choices, most notably the invasion of Iraq, which undermined its position greatly. China is a poor country its influence is growing but they are still far off. However more and more countries are abandoning the dollar when trading, more and more countries I think are starting to follow independent policies. This has an impact, the US has the military power but it can't exactly bomb its way to get what it wants if it lacks legitimacy on the world stage.

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It reminds me of a quote I saw from Tohir Yoldosh


"..nobody believed USSR would collapse ever.. many people now believe US would not collapse.. but US is coming to its end.. they are losing in Iraq and Afghanistan"

The Afghan-Soviet war aided in the collapse of the USSR. Now you see the US also taking part in external conflicts which is beginning to impact them and they end up locked in because they must try and show themselves to the world as a symbol of power. Not to mention also, the poor diplomacy and lack of understanding by their leadership. I think a lot of other countries have begun looking at alternative options then relying solely on them, for example the current situation with North and South Korea. IMO, they need to remain a superpower though, because there should always be an opposite balance between them, whether it be Russia, China etc., one should not hold all the cards and the decline of one means the expansion of another.

Aside from military aspects, I think American culture is and will still dominate the world. Majority of the world has adopted it. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, TheGreenWanderer said:

Aside from military aspects, I think American culture is and will still dominate the world.

I don't know if there is a monolith when it comes to American culture, country is huge filled with people from all over the world, it is a melting pot in a way or at least it's what it was until very recently. It is way better than Europe in that regard, Europe is a lot more racist I think but America has its problems too albeit less so, economically Europe is better though 

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39 minutes ago, TheGreenWanderer said:

It reminds me of a quote I saw from Tohir Yoldosh


"..nobody believed USSR would collapse ever.. many people now believe US would not collapse.. but US is coming to its end.. they are losing in Iraq and Afghanistan"

The Afghan-Soviet war aided ...

Aside from military aspects, I think American culture is and will still dominate the world. Majority of the world has adopted it. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

 

 

1]  At Versailles(1919), a diplomat said about the dissolution of Ottoman, Hapsburg, German (and by revolution, Russia) dominance, ~'when empires collapse, chaos ensues'. That proved true then and then again in the 1950s when Britain and France could no longer 'hold' their colonies. US has lost its Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelt Corollary after that.

2] Hollywood cultural dominance is not complete. Karoke(Japan), K-Pop, Bollywood, Cannes, Golden Bear are present too. What 'exported' cultural influence The People's Republic will be is not yet apparent.

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On the advice of "U.S. advisors" we have, sadly,

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-airstrike/afghan-gunships-killed-and-wounded-107-boys-and-men-in-attack-last-month-u-n-idUSKBN1I81XA?il=0 

A lashing out by a flailing hegemon in its 'death' throes?

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Edited by hasanhh
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If the sun can set on the British Empire, then it can certainly set on the American Empire.

The question remains as to how much time is left on the clock, and most importantly...who the next dominant power will be? My guess is whomever is left standing after WWIII will be the next power, similar to how the US was the last one standing after WWII. If I was a betting man I'd put my money on China with India being the sidekick. 

Time will tell.

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On 2/10/2018 at 6:40 AM, Mohamed1993 said:

I moved here 6 years ago, the image I had of the US as a non-American is so different to reality, there's untold levels of poverty here, people struggle to pay for healthcare, so many have to hold down multiple jobs just to get by, and worst of all, they're even arresting people for helping the homeless. I really wonder why America loathes the poor so much. It's like they're told poor people don't work hard, so we should pay no attention to them, glorify the rich, you can be just like them, the classic American dream, but for anyone that has any sense of reality knows this is an illusion. The American dream relies on exploiting other people if everyone chased their dream, no one would accomplish theirs. 

A classic legacy of the 'rugged individualism' of the early 20th century, and the Cold War years.
The political psyche of the average populace there seems to run like "pro-poor =>socialist => communist".
This thinking pattern has become congenital now.

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14 hours ago, Akbar673 said:

If I was a betting man I'd put my money on China with India being the sidekick.

China has far better relations with Pakistan than with India.
In the way of a prospective Indo-China alliance,there are border disputes between the two countries, and the two have even clashed in one war in 1962.
Pakistan, on the other hand, is China's all weather ally and important strategic partner. Look at CPEC for instance.
Expect Pakistan to be the deputy, in case what you predicted happens. 

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On 2/10/2018 at 7:07 AM, TheGreenWanderer said:

Aside from military aspects, I think American culture is and will still dominate the world. Majority of the world has adopted it. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

The term 'culture' here is a loaded word in itself, dear brother. If by 'American culture' you mean the current intellectual-popular cultural consensus defined by post-modernist socio-economic liberalism dominant in the US and the West, then I second you! :)

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