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Surah Al Baqarah, 117th Ayat

بَدِيعُ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلأَرۡضِ‌ۖ وَإِذَا قَضَىٰٓ أَمرً۬ا فَإِنَّمَا يَقُولُ لَهُ ۥ كُن فَيَكُونُ

The Originator of the heavens and the earth; and when He decrees an affair, He only says to it, “Be”, and it is.

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Surah Al Lahab, 1st Ayat

.تَبَّتْ يَدَآ أَبِى لَهَبٍ وَتَبَّ

May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.

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Some commentators have also translated the above ayat as 'May the hands of Abu Lahab be broken, and tabba to mean: may he perish of he perished.

Q. Allah says be and it is then as soon as this ayat was revealed for  Abu Lahab his should have broken or should have perished right on the sametime as Allah had made a decision then why did not it break?

And please don't come up with assumptions of your own such as this ayat being metaphorical etc...

Something authentic should come as a reply.

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:bismillah:

 

وَلَوْ يُؤَاخِذُ اللَّهُ النَّاسَ بِمَا كَسَبُوا مَا تَرَكَ عَلَى ظَهْرِهَا مِن دَابَّةٍ وَلَكِن يُؤَخِّرُهُمْ إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَإِذَا جَاء أَجَلُهُمْ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِعِبَادِهِ بَصِيرًا

35:45

وَلَوْ يُؤَاخِذُ اللّهُ النَّاسَ بِظُلْمِهِم مَّا تَرَكَ عَلَيْهَا مِن دَآبَّةٍ وَلَكِن يُؤَخِّرُهُمْ إلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَإِذَا جَاء أَجَلُهُمْ لاَ يَسْتَأْخِرُونَ سَاعَةً وَلاَ يَسْتَقْدِمُونَ
16:61

 

 Abu Lahab used to persuade the people to throw stones at the Holy Prophet, whenever he passed the streets of Makka, by telling them that he was a mad man. The two hands he used to throw stones at the Holy Prophet are cursed. The two hands of Abu Lahab may also refer to the evil deeds he had sent forth which condemns him to suffer severest punishment till eternity. Neither his wealth nor his supporters will be able to save him from the blazing fire.

A week after the battle of Badr, Abu Lahab perished, consumed with grief and his own fiery passions. The angel of death strangled his wife with the rope she used to wear around her neck. On the day of judgement the fire of punishment like a rope of iron strongly twisted will be put on her neck.

Edited by Salsabeel

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Brother my Zaidi brother

I appreciate you took your time out to reply. I understand your point but what you don't realise is when Allah intends to do something he says be and it is.

Abu Lahab's hands should have broken as soon as Allah intended and the ayat was being revealed or he should have perished on the same time.

Not to wait a week's time for him to be perished after the battle of badr.

 

 

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17 hours ago, Karbalai110 said:

I understand your point but what you don't realise is when Allah intends to do something he says be and it is.

Salamun Alaikum Brother, 

You have answered your question dear brother, above highlighted underline words of yours should have given you the clue how to understand the words of Allah mentioned in chapter 111:1
 

17 hours ago, Karbalai110 said:

Abu Lahab's hands should have broken as soon as Allah intended

Correct, that's why I have understood it as a "curse" rather than intention of Allah (s.w.t). Allah has cursed the hands of Abu Lahab with which he used to throw stones on His messenger (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him & his pure progeny). 

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5 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

Salamun Alaikum Brother, 

You have answered your question dear brother, above highlighted underline words of yours should have given you the clue how to understand the words of Allah mentioned in chapter 111:1
 

Correct, that's why I have understood it as a "curse" rather than intention of Allah (s.w.t). Allah has cursed the hands of Abu Lahab with which he used to throw stones on His messenger (peace & blessings of Allah be upon him & his pure progeny). 

Okay brother I got your point, like what curse did he get for his hands in particular?

Can you shed some light on it?

He went in grief etc is a part of the story but what happened to his hands in particular?

Sorry, I am just trying to understand.

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22 hours ago, Karbalai110 said:

Okay brother I got your point, like what curse did he get for his hands in particular?

Can you shed some light on it?

You can recite Sura-e-Lahab, for knowing that. 

Ohh wait, let me share it with you so that you may know!

:bismillah:

مَا أَغْنَىٰ عَنْهُ مَالُهُ وَمَا كَسَبَ
سَيَصْلَىٰ نَارًا ذَاتَ لَهَبٍ
وَامْرَأَتُهُ حَمَّالَةَ الْحَطَبِ
فِي جِيدِهَا حَبْلٌ مِنْ مَسَدٍ

Translation by Shakir:

"His wealth and what he earns will not avail him. He shall soon burn in fire that flames, And his wife, the bearer of fuel, Upon her neck a halter of strongly twisted rope."

These are the provisions for him & for his wife. And wait, there is one more verse mentioning someone: 

وَيَوْمَ يَعَضُّ الظَّالِمُ عَلَىٰ يَدَيْهِ يَقُولُ يَا لَيْتَنِي اتَّخَذْتُ مَعَ الرَّسُولِ سَبِيلًا

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The last verse is in regards to evildoers biting their hands

14 hours ago, Salsabeel said:

You can recite Sura-e-Lahab, for knowing that. 

Ohh wait, let me share it with you so that you may know!

:bismillah:

مَا أَغْنَىٰ عَنْهُ مَالُهُ وَمَا كَسَبَ
سَيَصْلَىٰ نَارًا ذَاتَ لَهَبٍ
وَامْرَأَتُهُ حَمَّالَةَ الْحَطَبِ
فِي جِيدِهَا حَبْلٌ مِنْ مَسَدٍ

Translation by Shakir:

"His wealth and what he earns will not avail him. He shall soon burn in fire that flames, And his wife, the bearer of fuel, Upon her neck a halter of strongly twisted rope."

These are the provisions for him & for his wife. And wait, there is one more verse mentioning someone: 

وَيَوْمَ يَعَضُّ الظَّالِمُ عَلَىٰ يَدَيْهِ يَقُولُ يَا لَيْتَنِي اتَّخَذْتُ مَعَ الرَّسُولِ سَبِيلًا

Pretty sarcastic reply to an honest question brother.

I was literally asking this in order to know what happened to his hands in particular as per the surah.

His wealth and wife are mentioned seperately in the surah which is not that I asked.

The ayat you mentioned at the last (Surah 25, Ayat 27) of your comment is for the evildoers that they will be biting their hands on the day.

And the Day the wrongdoer will bite on his hands [in regret] he will say, "Oh, I wish I had taken with the Messenger a way.

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2 hours ago, Karbalai110 said:

The ayat you mentioned at the last (Surah 25, Ayat 27) of your comment is for the evildoers that they will be biting their hands on the day.

Evidoer not evildoers. See the word الظَّالِمُ is singular.

2 hours ago, Karbalai110 said:

I was literally asking this in order to know what happened to his hands in particular as per the surah.

The very second & third verses of chapter 111 are answering your question. 

2 hours ago, Karbalai110 said:

His wealth and what he earns will not avail himHe shall soon burn in fire that flames,

The earnings whether in the form of good & bad deeds, has been referred as the "earnings of hands" in Quran. And Allah has mentioned that He will recompense for every good & bad deeds. Deeds will be wieghed on Meezan.

Surah Ash-Shura, Verse 30:
وَمَا أَصَابَكُم مِّن مُّصِيبَةٍ فَبِمَا كَسَبَتْ أَيْدِيكُمْ وَيَعْفُو عَن كَثِيرٍ

And whatever affliction befalls you, it is on account of what your hands have wrought, and (yet) He pardons most (of your faults).
(English - Shakir)

The second verse would mean that even if there are some good deeds done by Abu Lahab, those deeds will not benefit him. Third verse would means that he has been removed from the divine mercy, which encircles everything. And he has been given news that he will be burned in hell & will have no mercy.

Abu Lahab will not be included in the "katheer" who will get divine mercy ( يَعْفُو عَن كَثِيرٍ) and this is what is meant by being "cursed".

There will be no "meezan" for Abu Lahab because of divine words "His wealth and what he earns will not avail him."

 

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Now here is my question to you regarding the topic "kun fa-yakoon".

Why the creation of heavens & earth took 6 days or stages if their creation is a result of the word "kun"? 

Surah Yunus, Verse 3:
إِنَّ رَبَّكُمُ اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَىٰ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ يُدَبِّرُ الْأَمْرَ مَا مِن شَفِيعٍ إِلَّا مِن بَعْدِ إِذْنِهِ ذَٰلِكُمُ اللَّهُ رَبُّكُمْ فَاعْبُدُوهُ أَفَلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ

Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, and He is firm in power, regulating the affair, there is no intercessor except after His permission; this is Allah, your Lord, therefore serve Him; will you not then mind?
(English - Shakir)

 

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8 hours ago, Karbalai110 said:

Pretty sarcastic reply to an honest question brother.

Whatever I have quoted here are the words of different mufassirin.

Some have not taken into account the literal meaning of word "yad". Instead they have taken the meaning as power or authority, and said that in classical Arabic the expression hand is a metonym for power.

Some have interpreted it as prophecy in which an event taking place in future, has been described in the past tense, to suggest its occurance in future is certain. You can see how he died after 7 days of the battle of badar.

So we have multiple explanations, and nowhere its relationship with the word kun has been considered.

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