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1 hour ago, Shah Khan said:

@Hamodiii If Master Umar was bad, Master Ali wouldn't have given his Daugher to Master Umar in first place.

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2 hours ago, Shah Khan said:

Yo! Bro, Please Read the Sermon Number 225 in Nahj al balagha. Master Ali Praised Master Umar. Read you own books and give Dalaail (Reference). Instead of Using Tabarra (Cursing) others, You should open your mind and do some research.

In sermon 225 there is no word about Umar

 

https://www.al-islam.org/nahjul-balagha-part-1-sermons/sermon-225-house-surrounded-calamities

 

3/273] Ghayba of al-Tusi: al-Kulayni from Sa’d from al-Yaqtini from Ali b. al-Hakam and Ali b. al-Hasan b. Nafi from Harun b. Kharija who said: Harun b. Sa’d al-Ijli said to me: Ismail [the son of al-Sadiq] towards whom you were stretching out your necks [i.e. expecting to be the next Imam] is dead, furthermore, Ja’far is an old man, he will die tomorrow or the day after, then you will remain without an Imam! I did not know what to say in reply, so I informed Aba Abdillah عليه السلام about what he [al-Ijli] had said. He [the Imam] said: how far, how far [is al-Ijli’s wish] - by Allah - Allah has refused to allow this matter to stop [Imama to discontinue] until the day and night also stop, so if you see him again say to him: this is Musa b. Ja’far - he will grow up, we will marry him off, and he will have a child as his successor - if Allah wills.

 

NOTES:

Harun b. Sa’d al-Ijli was the leader of a Zaydi faction called the Ijliyya [See also section 3.50. - 3.51]. The Ijliyya were very similar to Batri Zaydis. They were known for accepting the legitimacy of Abu Bakr and Umar even whilst claiming to prefer Ali. They would consider any descendant of Ali who unsheathes the sword and confronts the corrupt temporal rulers to be an Imam.

Harun participated in the revolts of Zayd b. Ali and Ibrahim b. al-Hasan against the Umayyad and Abbasid regimes respectively. He must have had quite an influence over his followers. The Imam uses a play on words - comparing his tribal affiliation [Ijli] to the golden calf [Ijl] worshiped by the Israelites [See No. 1/271]. 

Harun had a low opinion of al-Sadiq and his followers because they were queitist and did not participate in armed struggle. He taunts them by prematurely predicting that there will be no successor to al-Sadiq after the death of the elder favourite Ismail [See No. 3/273]. The preoccupation of the Ijliyya with warfare meant that they had no firm grounding in learning. al-Sadiq declares that even the Murjia and Khawarij have some semblance of knowledge, despite being wrong, when compared to the Ijliyya [See No. 2/272].

Below is part of a poem attributed to Harun as quoted by Ibn Qutayba in his Uyun and Ta’wil Ikhtilaf al-Hadith:

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Read the book brother. words are not complete here.

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25 minutes ago, Shah Khan said:

Read the book brother. words are not complete here.

The Life of Imam Al-Mahdi 

This book is the biography of the Twelfth Imam, Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (a.s.), also referred to as the Qaim of Aale Muhammad, the Awaited Imam (a.s.) and the Last of the Successors. The book also covers major objections that the opponents of Shias aim against the belief in Imam Mahdi (a.s.), which the respected author, Baqir Sharif Qarashi has refuted in a convincing way.

 

https://www.al-islam.org/life-imam-al-mahdi-baqir-shareef-al-qurashi

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1 hour ago, Shah Khan said:

Read the book brother. words are not complete here.

Hi this is full text

http://www.erfan.ir/farsi/nahj/view/1/225

 

متن و ترجمه کامل خطبه ۲۲۵ نهج البلاغه

لبیک یا نصر الله  نهج البلاغه ارسال دیدگاه 12 بازدید

 

و من کلام له علیه السلام رَوى ذِعْلَبٌ الْیَمانِیُّ عَنْ اءَحْمَدَ بْنِ قُتَیْبَهَ عَنْ عَبْدِاللَّهِ بْنِ یَزِیدَ عَنْ مالِکِ بْنِدِحْیَهَ قالَ: کُنَّا عِنْدَ اءَمِیرِ الْمُؤْمنِیِنَ علیه السلام وَ قَدْ ذُکِرَ عِنْدَهُ اخْتِلافُ النَّاسِ، فَقَالَ:
إِنَّما فَرَّقَ بَیْنَهُمْ مَبادِئُ طِینِهِمْ، وَ ذلِکَ اءَنَّهُمْ کانُوا فِلْقَهً مِنْ سَبَخِ اءَرْضٍ وَ عَذْبِها، وَ حَزْنِ تُرْبَهٍ وَ سَهْلِها، فَهُمْ عَلَى حَسَبِ قُرْبِ اءَرْضِهِمْ یَتَقارَبُونَ، وَ عَلَى قَدْرِ اخْتِلافِها یَتَفاوَتُونَ: فَتامُّ الرُّواءِ ناقِصُ الْعَقْلِ، وَ مادُّ الْقامَهِ قَصِیرُ الْهِمَّهِ، وَ زاکِی الْعَمَلِ قَبِیحُ الْمَنْظَرِ، وَ قَرِیبُ الْقَعْرِ بَعِیدُ السَّبْرِ، وَ مَعْرُوفُ الضَّرِیبَهِ مُنْکَرُ الْجَلِیبَهِ، وَ تائِهُ الْقَلْبِ مُتَفَرِّقُ اللُّبِّ، وَ طَلِیقُ اللِّسانِ حَدِیدُ الْجَنانِ.

 
 
umar in Nahjul balaqa (see links below)
 
 
 
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15 minutes ago, Mishael said:

I myself am fed up with war with Israel that has done nothing but destroy Lebanon. Lebanon should just either stay neutral or enter talks with Israel but a Hezbollah has no interest in doing that, it seems it's only goal is to turn Lebanon into a base to be used against the enemies of Iran not help the country in any way as I'm realizing. So far Hezbollah has been in power for over 20 years and it only brought more wars instead of the peace it promised of course you could easily blame KSA or Israel but with Israel which has a powerful military that can easily overcome any Arab country one can assume that if they wanted to take more land then they would have already and with KSA well to be fair to them it's not like Iran is trying to bring peace in any way just meddle in the affairs of its neighbors (Iraq, Syria, and now Lebanon). War after war after war when will it end?

Hi do you want that we drop flower under war boots of Israel Army .it seems that you are heavily under influence of Israel propaganda 

:hahaha:

if in region Shia. Muslim groups & governments  didn’t stand against them beside Islam there will be no any Real Jews & Christians  existsts now .:NH:

Iranian Jews to Israel “Our National Identity is not for sale “

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mishael said:

I myself am fed up with war with Israel that has done nothing but destroy Lebanon. Lebanon should just either stay neutral or enter talks with Israel but a Hezbollah has no interest in doing that, it seems it's only goal is to turn Lebanon into a base to be used against the enemies of Iran not help the country in any way as I'm realizing. So far Hezbollah has been in power for over 20 years and it only brought more wars instead of the peace it promised of course you could easily blame KSA or Israel but with Israel which has a powerful military that can easily overcome any Arab country one can assume that if they wanted to take more land then they would have already and with KSA well to be fair to them it's not like Iran is trying to bring peace in any way just meddle in the affairs of its neighbors (Iraq, Syria, and now Lebanon). War after war after war when will it end?

There is a precedent in history which proves you wrong, the PLO under Oslo renounced violence and they got more settlements and more occupation. All Israel has to do is leave Lebanon alone, and negotiate on political prisoners and Shebaa farms that's it. Israel needs a ground army to grab land, of course it can bomb everything in sight, but what strategic purpose does that serve you end up getting land that is effectively useless. And Israel cannot defeat Hezbollah on the ground, in much the same way Saudis can't do it in Yemen. 

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5 hours ago, Shah Khan said:

That is why I used :

 

You should pray only to Allah and ask Him ONLY for forgiveness,otherwise you are a mushrik and a kafir. Anyway,Please,let's stick to the topic! You can open a thread about the shirk you commit in the theology section.

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17 minutes ago, Jimmy Boy said:

You should pray only to Allah and ask Him ONLY for forgiveness,otherwise you are a mushrik and a kafir. Anyway,Please,let's stick to the topic! You can open a thread about the shirk you commit in the theology section.

We only pray to Allah & ahlulbayt  (as) are our mediators  (Waseela) not something to worship

Envy & Evil eye

 

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17 minutes ago, Jimmy Boy said:

You should pray only to Allah and ask Him ONLY for forgiveness,otherwise you are a mushrik and a kafir. Anyway,Please,let's stick to the topic! You can open a thread about the shirk you commit in the theology section.

We only pray to Allah & ahlulbayt  (as) are our mediators  (Waseela) not something to worship

Envy & Evil eye

 

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6 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi do you want that we drop flower under war boots of Israel Army .it seems that you are heavily under influence of Israel propaganda 

:hahaha:

if in region Shia. Muslim groups & governments  didn’t stand against them beside Islam there will be no any Real Jews & Christians  existsts now .:NH:

Iranian Jews to Israel “Our National Identity is not for sale “

 

 

 

This news is not on the mainstream. This should be exposed as a proof of how stupid Zionist Israel is.

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On 2/5/2018 at 1:14 AM, Jimmy Boy said:

The question is in the title.What are your views?

Whenever football world cup starts or Olympic game begins, Israel invades somewhere, mostly Gaza but this time with the aid of brother KSA :P they might invade Lebanon.

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1 hour ago, Mishael said:

Israel already beat Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah himself states that he wouldn't have done the war if he knew he would have lost very badly. Hezbollah lost a thousand or so soldiers Israel lost a hundred this is about a rogue estimate during the war in Lebanon.

Losing means they accomplished their goals, they didn't, they left Lebanon with every goal not met, sure they killed a lot of civilians which is why Hezbollah stated they wouldn't have started the war if they knew Israel would kill so many civilians, that's very different from saying we lost, they never said if they lost, you obviously do not read statements properly. 

1 hour ago, Mishael said:

PLO has never renounced violence and they were responsible for the Lebanese civil war in the 1970s when they evicted Lebanese Christians from their homes if PLO was using south Lebanon as a rocket base was Israel supposed to sit around no neither should Lebanese.

They have renounced violence after the Oslo accords. Israel's decision to invade Lebanon to remove the PLO while you justify it however, led to an occupation that massacred a ton of shiites in the south even Ehud Barak said this. 

1 hour ago, Mishael said:

And should I really show you what PLO teaches Palestinian kids in this modern day, Israel can grab as much land as it wants if it's really the evil state that you portray it to be it doesn't need any strategic purpose it has all the means to do anything it wants

It's funny because it is doing exactly this as we speak. Look at the West Bank and look at the growth of settlements. It has no ability to do anything if there is a violent response to it, much like Saudi Arabia cannot do much to Yemen, even though they have an air force that pounds Yemen. You need a ground army but Israel cannot afford to lose many men, hence why they've failed to achieve what they want in Lebanon. They can bomb all of Lebanon and kill civilians on a mass scale but that will create a backlash that Israel, a nation that is losing legitimacy on the world stage according to popular opinion in Europe and the US cannot tolerate. And oh speaking of education, you should see how the Israeli leadership refers to Arabs, but you'd probably think that was fine because you have a personal beef with Palestinians. So when Aylet Shaked calls them snakes, and justifies genocide against them and when their minister Miri Regev calls African migrants a cancer you get a sense of the mentality the Palestinians deal with.  But it's the indoctrination of Palestinians that's the problem. Man you sound exactly like Brigitte Gabriel,  I highly doubt you've read up on this issue, and understood it from an academic perspective. 

 

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1 hour ago, Mishael said:

I've met an Arab Muslim family from Israel they get religious freedom, free education, free medical care, and don't even have to serve in the military unlike Israeli Jews.

Yet in Israel, an Arab with family in the West Bank cannot get that family to move to Israel, but a Jew with no ties to the country can move to the country in a weeks time. Why? Because the state fears losing an ethnocratic nature that has nothing organic about it to begin with. 

1 hour ago, Mishael said:

Israel even allows Pan Arab anti Zionist parties to exist within its country like Balad and Hadash is there any Muslim country that will allow a Zionist party to exist that pretty much says it all.

Oh yeah please allow these parties and allow the populations you occupy to vote in elections, namely those in the West Bank and those under siege in Gaza. Israel won't stop occupying these people yet at the same time won't give them voting rights, but Jews living in the West Bank have voting rights in Israeli elections. The only reason the Arab parties exist is because Israel has the demographics to allow it, if those demographics became problematic, they would do everything to stop it. 

Here's a good article for you; https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/opinion/rula-jebreal-minority-life-in-israel.html?referer=https://www.google.com/.

It really amazes me that people don't think when they make these statements. Iran is not a secular democracy calling itself a light onto other nations, Israel claims it is. And so, a nation calling itself a light onto other nations shouldn't be compared to a regime it frequently calls the reincarnation of modern day Nazi germany. Ask Jews in Iran how they are treated and compare it to those living under martial law in the occupied territories or under siege in Gaza. But knowing the arguments you're making, you'd probably think the Palestinians deserve to be occupied or you'll bring up the same old talking points about Israel leaving Gaza etc. and Hamas taking over despite these talking points having been debunked over and over again by scholars that have done extensive research in this area if only you bothered to read. Iran's flaws do not make Israel's flaws ok. I don't know why you compare the two, Iran doesn't even claim to be a democracy in the traditional sense, Israel does and calls itself a beacon of brightness in a dark part of the world etc.

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@Mishael 

1- Netanyahu said 2006 was not a victory.

2- Israel limits the amount of food and supplies into Gaza - what they called "calorie limits". 

3- Officials in the Netanyahu government are downright genocidal in their statements. Like Ayelet Shaked, the Justice Minister, who said all Palestinians are enemies.

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1 minute ago, Mishael said:

Miri Regev and Aylet Shaked do not equal Israelis anymore then Khalid Meshal equals Palestinians neither do I like everyone in the Israeli government nor do I like all its policies.

Well then obviously you don't look at polls; https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/almost-half-of-israeli-jews-want-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html%3famp. And  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/most-israeli-jews-agree-africans-are-a-cancer/amp/. But hate developed from an occupation is real hate, this somehow according to you is a fringe insignificant view. Please learn some facts. Also, yes Palestinians get permits but even getting those permits is rare and frankly getting a permit to work in Israel is like saying well we'll give you a permit if you contribute to the Israeli economy but well if you're Jewish we don't care. The blue cards you mention are not citizenship and hence, deny Palestinians right to vote which doesn't threaten the political system whose Arab representatives are sure to remain irrelevant owing to Israel's policies on who votes and who doesn't. 

5 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Arabs of the West Bank can also recieve permits to enter Israel to visit families in Arab villages or to visit the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem

To visit. Even then they face enormous challenges. They need permits to even leave, remember Gazans aren't even allowed to control their own airspace and thus have an airport. 

6 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Arabs of the West Bank are free to apply for Israeli citizenship

Where's your proof? This isn't true. And even if it is, would the Israeli government accept 1 million Arabs from the West Bank? Of course it wouldn't, it would gladly pay money for Jews from Europe or the US to go live there though.

7 minutes ago, Mishael said:

There is no siege in Gaza I know Palestinians who have family members there, there isn't any siege even when there is a sister if you can call it one Israel allows food and medical care to pass through unlike say the Egyptian siege of Gaza which was a real siege.

Uhm I suppose keeping people on a calorie diet intake and preventing them from even accessing food items isn't a real siege? Controlling their airspace, their access to the sea, controlling their power supply? This is just an example. https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-pasta-paper-and-hearing-aids-that-could-threaten-israeli-security-1635143.html%3famphttps://imeu.org/article/putting-palestinians-on-a-diet-israels-siege-blockade-of-gaza.

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3 minutes ago, Mishael said:

True Israel didn't accomplish its goals but Lebanon is still trying to recover and Hezbollah lost more then a thousand members and learned never to mess with Israel so I would call that a victory

Well Hezbollah's objective was survival, so you would call this a victory I suppose. And there have been tit-for-tat attacks in Syria, Israel attacked and killed Hezbollah members in 2015, Hezbollah responded and killed IDF soldiers in response and it eventually settled down. Neither side wants war, Hezbollah wouldn't like to see Lebanon damaged the way it was, Israel on the other hand doesn't want to face the condemnation it will face if it bombs the heck out of Lebanon and at the same time it doesn't want to engage in the type of warfare it did in 2006, which will lead to another failure.  

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2 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Neither did Hassan Nasrallah. True Israel didn't accomplish its goals but Lebanon is still trying to recover and Hezbollah lost more then a thousand members and learned never to mess with Israel so I would call that a victory. 

Nasrallah called it and still calls it a victory. He celebrates it every year.

What Nasrallah said was that if he knew that the operation to capture the IDF soldiers would lead to a war, he wouldn't have done that operation.

That is not admitting defeat. 

Hezbollah lost more soldiers, true, but that doesn't necessiate defeat. Also, certain battles were really embarrassing for Israel, like this;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bint_Jbeil

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27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Can't really say I blame Israelis or anyone for not liking Arabs attacking them since 1948 and even know suicide bombings are common in Israel and most hate against Arabs surprisingly comes from the Mizrahi Jews (Jews from the Arab World) who feel bitterness towards the Arabs because of their experiences that lead them to seeking refuge in Israel.

Perhaps you ought to look into the roots of zionism and see that the surrounding Arab armies only invaded after Zionist forces had forcefully expelled hundreds of thousands of Arabs and ethnically cleansed tons of villages. Israel started the war in 1967 too, it also attacked Egypt previously in 1956. Zionism had always been an expansionist ideology, Ben Gurion's own words stated this. You can't blame Israelis for not liking Arabs, but then you blame Palestinians for disliking Israel. 

27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Either way that's no reason to hate Arabs or Jews on both sides it's wrong, racist Israelis doesn't justify Palestinians infringing hate into their children. Saying we should drive Jews into the sea and saying Israelis stole Palestine and we should kill them and take it back to children is sick and anyone who defends that type of stuff on either side is sick. You don't have to like Israel but don't defend the Palestinian governments and organizations.

I'm not defending any Palestinian government, but you're here defending the racist Israeli government policies and claiming they're democratic and whatever. But terrorism though it is unjustified it is a consequence of oppression, whether you like it or not. People have used it in all colonial struggles. People will turn to desperate measures when they see no other way and if the mentality of the people they have to deal with thinks ethnic cleansing is justified, how do you deal with such a situation? You can either scream terrorism, savages, etc. or you can try to understand the roots and do something about it. The first option is easy, it helps you avoid dealing with the situation and finding a peaceful solution, the second solution is an attempt to solve the crisis.

27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Arab citizens of Israel do vote and can vote for Pan Arab parties if they want now that's not something you see with Jews in Islamic countries.

Yes, Arabs in the West Bank do not, they live under Israeli occupation, and are effectively under a government whom they have no say over. You say they can get Israeli citizenship, how many can? Would Israel grant them all citizenship if they applied for it tomorrow? Of course not! But jews living in occupied territories vote in Israeli elections. 

27 minutes ago, Mishael said:

Infact Israel would probably want more Arabs in it so it could get a stronger man power and more citizens if you look at it politically it has more to gain from Arabs applying for Israeli citizenship infact it tries to get Arabs to get Israeli citizenship. By the way can an Israeli get a permit to live in the West Bank or Gaza? That's something to think about.

Man, your facts I do not know where you get them from. Netanyahu has explicitly gone on record telling the jews in Israel to vote because the Arabs are voting in droves. Can you imagine a US president saying white people please go vote because the blacks are going to vote in droves? It is a fundamentally racist society, and just because you met some Israelis proves nothing, in particular when polls are fundamentally opposed to what you say. Look at this video and tell me it doesn't sicken you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4. Israelis don't need permits to live in Gaza or the WB, their government pays them money to move onto illegal settlements in the West Bank. As for Gaza, which Israeli would live in Gaza? Jews like Dan Cohen have visited Gaza and reported extensively on the oppression that goes on there, they were welcomed. That's not to say there isn't anti-jewish sentiments in Palestine or the muslim world, its saying you're less likely to encounter it if you don't go in as a IDF soldier or a settler. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JzMhGW5Y3I. Anyone that is serious about peace would acknowledge this very obvious reality rather than screaming terrorism, anti-semitism, etc. etc., it is easy to scream about something, particularly when you don't want to solve it. 

Also, I don't really see what your argument here is, you say Hezbollah has learnt not to mess with Israel, so then if they have what are you worried about? That Israel will attack anyway? Well that wouldn't be Hezbollah's fault then would it? Sounds like you're blaming the wrong party. Maybe if Israel learnt to behave like a normal state you wouldn't have to worry. But it pushed for the invasion of Iraq, it invaded Lebanon in 06 killing mostly civilians, it invaded Gaza thrice each time killing mostly civilians, it lobbied heavily for the US to bomb Syria and also wanted the US to attack Iran. But somehow the problem is all these other countries not Israel according to you. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Mishael said:

The great majority of them fled their homes during the 1948 war. They did so going by the advice of their leaders, and leaders of the six armies that invaded Israel, While some Jews really committed atrocities, it wasn't the widespread reality, as some seem to think - otherwise the number of dead Arabs would be as large (or larger) than the number of refugees, when war broke out in 1948, about 600,000 Arabs left Israel because they had only been there for a couple of years. Palestinians themselves have only been in the land for a couple years ago even British sources record Arabs illegally immigrating to what is modern day Israel. BDS is a renowned hate group so there one to talk by the way sure there are some disgusting Israelis that shouldn't be around doesn't every society but if you can find me an Israeli school which encourages its kids to go out and kill Palestinians then I'll immediately denounce Israel right here

Your facts are not facts, read Israeli Historian Ilan Pappe's the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, what  happened in Deir Yassin was clear ethnic cleansing. And I don't understand what your argument is they didn't kill them so they didn't expel them? That's a bad argument, you can even read Israeli Benny Morris work about the mass expulsion being justified because the Pals refused the partition plan. 

BDS is a legitimate tactic to oppose Israel's violation of int'l law, it is a tactic that has been used in the past against apartheid South Africa too. So what you're saying is Palestinians should just sit there and accept their situation, and just watch as more and more of their land gets stripped away. They go to the UN, it is international terrorism, they use arms its terrorism, they negotiate directly, Israel imposes a million conditions impossible for them to accept. So I suppose your solution is just do nothing? As for Israelis not teaching hate, where does such a large population's hate come from then? It's obviously taught, doesn't come from nowhere. You should listen to former soldiers of the IDF like Eran Afrati who explain how Israel isn't just racist toward Arabs but also toward non-ashkenazi Jews. 

You know one way to stop hate and terrorism? Education! But how does that happen when they keep bombing and demolishing their schools like this right here, an EU funded school demolished by the IDF. No one is defending the corruption in the Palestinian govt. and I haven't said anything that defends that but man, you're pretty much an apologist for the Israeli govt. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-palestinians-eu-classrooms-west-bank-school-bedouins-a8194456.html. Even if the Palestinian govt. teaches hate and stuff, the fact still remains that Israel does through its policies of expansion and colonialism do everything possible to build on this hate. If someone tells me to hate you, but I discover you're actually a decent guy, I would be less likely to hate you than if you act like a bad person. And Israel does teach hate too, read this; https://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2013/02/israeli-and-palestinian-textbooks. And honestly when you massacre 80% civilians in Gaza, when settlers attack Palestinian homes, burn their olive trees, poison their water, dump sewage on them, imprison them with a 99% conviction rate trial and in some cases without trial at all including little children, is this fine because they don't teach hatred, they merely do despicable things? A Palestinian that throws a stone, pretty much the only resistance symbol he has against an IDF soldier gets imprisoned for twenty years and can have his house demolished, while an Israeli soldier who shoots a Palestinian point blank gets house arrest for 18 months. Yeah, but they don't teach hatred, sigh. Man, you're embarrassing yourself here.

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1 minute ago, Mishael said:

Ilan Paape is a renowned liar and he's been refuted by many actual historians. BDS is an anti Jewish organization. If I throw a stone at a Saudi they would probably lash me and throw me in prison without trial my uncles brother was taken prisoner by Syrian soldiers during the occupation of Lebanon for just trash talking about the Syrian soldiers in public and he was nine years old at the time and his parents had to beg for his release. Throwing a stone at someone's head isn't resistance that's just criminal activity and they throw it at ordinary people walking not just IDF soldiers by the way. By the way if an IDF soldier shoots a Palestinian terrorist in the process of trying to murder people then it's not a crime. Your just quoting classical anti Israel propaganda here. Palestinians never actually had a country it was British land that never even housed many Arabs in the first place they just moved in and they even indirectly pushed the British to make the partition plan since it was proven after the massacres Arabs would constantly commit against Jews and the arab riots that there must be two separate states Jews accepted it and Arabs rejected it. Mizrahi make up half of the population of Israel and Shepardic Jews about a quarter or more the and many high positions of the government of Israel are made up of non Ashkenzai Jews. Settlers who attack Palestinians are arrested immediately but I agree it's a problem and restrictions need to be placed on settlers and increase the penalty they get if violence is done on Palestinians. The EU knowingly broke International Law by funding the school in Area C. The Blame, Distort and Slander crowd make up the law as they go. Moreover, since this is the 5th offense, in the same location it's entirely obvious that this was a stunt and a waste of money that could be better spend building a real school legally. If evidence if found the text books are hateful then immediate action should be taken to revise them which it seems already happened,

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-to-revise-books-for-religious-indoctrination-of-secular-kids-1.5490852

Mishael, you may not be familiar with the principles of int'l law but occupied populations have a right to resist, stone throwing is the least of it but if a Palestinian in the West Bank even shoots an IDF soldier it is legitimate. You keep bringing up Arab regimes in the region, and it is a classic zionist tactic, I don't support any government in the region, including btw Assad, but that doesn't mean I will ignore Israel's actions. Two wrongs don't make a right. As for your criticisms of Pappe and BDS, you use ad-hominem attacks not too different from what a lot of Zionist apologists do, but you have no real arguments, just smear whoever you don't like, whichever organization you don't like, ignore all human rights reports, call the UN anti-semitic, etc. Palestinians never had a country, so what? That means nothing, there were people living there, a people without a land were given a land with people already present on it. Nations are a temporary thing anyway, people have a right to exist, nations (most nations) don't have such a right. The Brits made the partition plan as a reparation for what the jews suffered in Europe, it had nothing to do with Palestinians. In Palestine other than certain occasions like the Hebron massacre in 1929, things were for the most part peaceful. So because of something a certain group of them did, that legitimized the partition plan? Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound? White people did terrible things to blacks in the US for decades, blacks never got their own country, and they are still struggling for equal rights, but they were never split into two countries. Europe never dealt with its jewish population well, instead another group suffered. An injustice was done to repair another injustice. Speaking of int'l law, Israel has violated it consistently by constructing settlements in area C. It's so funny you quote int'l law here but then ignore it when it doesn't suit you. You don't like int'l law fine, but then admit you're a rogue state that is above the law. You accuse the other side of making up the law, when that's all Israel does, bend int'l law when it pleases, and then use it to justify its own practices as you just did. 

In any case, there is no point of going on here, let's stop wasting each others time.

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