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Salamum aleikum dear respected reader(s).

Before getting started I just want to clarify that I have read multiple sites and even threads on this forum regarding my topic but I still can't find an answer that fully satisfies me.

Background story:

I met this Sunni girl about a year ago, and we were friends for a very long time.  We got into a relationship and things weren't as halal as I thought they were going to get.  I did sin (no fornication) and I am very ashamed of doing so.  So please don't reply regarding "why did you sin in the first place.  If you fear Allah you shouldn't have done that", which is what I've seen on many if not all posts that other people have posted.  I know what I have done and alhamdulillah I am working just as hard to get everything under the rules of Islam (hence my question here).

Anyways,  I am 17 years of age and the girl is 16.  Now you might think that is not mature enough, but believe me her maturity is greater than some of 18 year olds that I know, which brings me on to my question:  Is it possible to perform Muta' with that person WITHOUT parental persmission? We are both virgin, and that's why I'm asking because it's a matter relating to virgin girls.  

She has agreed to the same extent that I have agreed to and we both plan on future marriage.  I know her father would not accept due to her age and he does not want her to focus on men, in fear of them corrupting her.  However we are taking each other extremely serious and again, looking forward (inshallah) in future for permanent marriage.

I follow Grand Ayatollah Sayed Khamenei, and read that regarding Temporary Marriage (Muta') it's Ihtiyyat Wajib, meaning that I can refer to other Maraji's ideologies and I believe that Ayatollah Rohani DOES allow temporary marriage WITHOUT father's consent (even if it's a virgin girl). Does that fatwah apply to my scenario? Also could you state the ISLAMIC meaning of "Rashidah"? Some say it means she must be able to financially support herself , whilst others just say she needs to know what is good and bad for her ~ "maturity"

Before telling me to ask the official site the question , I have already done that and still no reply , and it's been about 4 days now ( I do not blame them as I completely understand the masses of questions they get and I hope my turn gets in as soon as possible) so therefore I want a quicker response from someone who is knowledgeable and can provide sources to back up their answer.

Thank you very much for your time and may Allah help you in the same way you are helping me to become a better believe.

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4 hours ago, TheRepenterr said:

just a year ago, and we were friends for a very long time.  We got into a relationship and things weren't as halal

''Mutah is haram'' - Sunnis

Although I have no answer to this question.

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Salam any way this relationship without mutah causes sin in future if you want to continue this relationship as she is mature it’s better to do it anyway if she accepts shia Islam it makes it easier 

https://www.al-islam.org/muta-temporary-marriage-in-islamic-law-sachiko-murata/four-pillars-muta

http://www.mutah.com/how_do_i_do_mutah.htm

http://www.duas.org/matri.htm

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Wait for brother @Hassan- or @Sumerian to answer this. They are the best at these complex Fiqh issues.

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Imam Khamenei:

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Permission of a Sunni Girl's Father
Although it is permissible for a Shi'a boy/girl to marry a Sunni as long as he/she does not fear that their belief in their denomination would be endangered, by obligatory caution the permission of her father should be obtained for her marriage if she is virgin.

 

Yes he says 'by obligatory caution', meaning you are allowed to refer to another marja' in this scenario. But to refer to a particular marja', you must be certain that he says the permission of her father is not a condition, otherwise you can't refer to him. 

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8 hours ago, Hassan- said:

Yes he says 'by obligatory caution', meaning you are allowed to refer to another marja' in this scenario. But to refer to a particular marja', you must be certain that he says the permission of her father is not a condition, otherwise you can't refer to him. 

Thank you ever so much brother.  

Ayatollah Rohani is the marja I would like to follow.  Could you please (if I'm not asking you too much) check if he is "approved" and whether there is no condition?  

I did my research regarding him, and didn't find any conditions required (except that I THINK HE SAID she must be "rashidah", which I asked for the meaning, again I remember seeing that on the forum).

7 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Also, the marja you refer to has to be proven to be the second most a'lam to you. It can't be any marja.

Referring this dear brother, I don't really know if ayatollah rohani is approved. How do I check?

May Allah bless your souls for helping me out!

W alsalam.

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16 hours ago, Hamodiii said:

''Mutah is haram'' - Sunnis

Incorrect brother, "Mutah" isn't haram. There is a specified ayah in the Qur'an that says so, however this isn't what this thread was posted for. I appreciate your attempt to help.

regards.

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15 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam any way this relationship without mutah causes sin in future if you want to continue this relationship as she is mature it’s better to do it anyway if she accepts shia Islam it makes it easier 

https://www.al-islam.org/muta-temporary-marriage-in-islamic-law-sachiko-murata/four-pillars-muta

http://www.mutah.com/how_do_i_do_mutah.htm

http://www.duas.org/matri.htm

Salam,

i agree 100% with the fact that you said causes sin in future, hence why I wrote this to ask for help.  Inshallah step by step the process happens, I can't instantly do the marriage AND convert her to Shia AND make her truly believe in shia Islam, rather than her being forced so she can marry me. 

I Appreciate your help regardless brother.

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7 hours ago, Sumerian said:

Also, the marja you refer to has to be proven to be the second most a'lam to you. It can't be any marja.

Sorry brother about the previous message I didn't read what you said properly.  

I do think ayatollah Rohani is most knowledgeable . And some argue that he is more knowledgable than some of the current world's marja' (however this is not the discussion) and he was appointed president of Iran by khamenei, so of course Ayatollah khamenei must approve of him too.

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1 hour ago, TheRepenterr said:

president of Iran by khamenei, so of course Ayatollah khamenei must approve of him too.

Salam brother you mistaken two Rohani with each other they different persons by same family.

Several sentences from the Grand Ayatullah Rouhani on temporary marriage
Question 1: A girl is likely to go to sin if she does not marry and the temporary marriage is obligatory on her. On the other hand, the girl family is against her temporary marriage and she wants to do so secretly, but she knows that if she is married with a temporary marriage After permanent Marriage her husband and his family will know it , she will realize that she will act and blame him as a hubbub. A: Is it possible for such a girl to re-own her virginity after her temporary marriage and loss of virginity so that no one knows about her secret temporary marriage? B: If a husband is to put girl's virginity under one of the terms of a marriage contract, can a girl present this uncaring virginity as a real virginity?

Answer: Bassma Jelat Esma'e; A: It is permissible for such a girl to have temporary marriage, but in temporary marriage it is not a condition that the virginity is destroyed, but if the virginity is destroyed for the girl it is permissible to undergo a surgical re-enactment. B: If a permanent husband is one of the terms of the contract, the original virginity is a conditional violation. The husband can terminate the marriage, and if the condition is virginity, this girl has a virginity and the marriage is correct without authority of termination.

Question 6: Is the father's consent condition sufficient for a girl's condition? Is it a necessary condition? Briefly explain.
Answer: Bassma Jelat Esmae it  is not enough; it is not necessary, that is, if a girl is mature and well-recognized and good and bad, then the permission of her father and his satisfaction is not the condition of the veracity of the Mutah of girl..

http://www.rohani.ir/fa/ndt/846/چند-استفتا--از-آیت-الله-العظمی-روحانی-درباره-ازدوا

Edited by Ashvazdanghe

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1 hour ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam brother you mistaken two Rohani with each other they different persons by same family.

Salam dear brother,

 

ah thank you very much for telling me this, I didn't know that they were different people. 

Greatly appreciate your efforts!

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4 hours ago, TheRepenterr said:

Sorry brother about the previous message I didn't read what you said properly.  

I do think ayatollah Rohani is most knowledgeable . And some argue that he is more knowledgable than some of the current world's marja' (however this is not the discussion) and he was appointed president of Iran by khamenei, so of course Ayatollah khamenei must approve of him too.

It seems you are confused brother on how to prove a'lamiyya. It is not proven this way. It is proven by referring to people of expertise (Ahlul Khibra) and some scholars say shuhra (popularity) is also proof of a'lamiyya.

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

It seems you are confused brother on how to prove a'lamiyya. It is not proven this way. It is proven by referring to people of expertise (Ahlul Khibra) and some scholars say shuhra (popularity) is also proof of a'lamiyya.

Salam,

okay I will do my research with your information given, thank you brother for your assistance!

 

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