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On 1/16/2018 at 4:57 AM, Maki D Cabarete said:

Need to get any helpful history on 1874 Muslim council meetings held concerning state of Islamic world events. Any information or notes on this particular subject, "Islamic world council meetings between 1874 to 1914" Thank you for your attention to this post.

Looking for history on Muslim World Conferences held between 1874 - 1910.

I did find one that was held in the middle East before the house of Saud to over the Hajaz but that conference was centered around the need for a Khilafah.

Thank you anyone who can help with this topic.

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On 1/16/2018 at 4:57 AM, Maki D Cabarete said:

Need to get any helpful history on 1874 Muslim council meetings held concerning state of Islamic world events. Any information or notes on this particular subject, "Islamic world council meetings between 1874 to 1914" Thank you for your attention to this post.

Looking for history on Muslim World Conferences held between 1874 - 1910.

I did find one that was held in the middle East but it centered around the need for a khilafah but this was after world war1 but before the house of Saud took the Hajaz.

Thank you anyone who can help with this topic.

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The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (The OICArabicمنظمة التعاون الإسلامي‎; FrenchOrganisation de la coopération islamique) is an international organization founded in 1969, consisting of 57 member states, with a collective population of over 1.8 billion as of 2015. The organisation states that it is "the collective voice of the Muslim world" and works to "safeguard and protect the interests of the Muslim world in the spirit of promoting international peace and harmony".[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Islamic_Cooperation

http://en.themwl.org/

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/organization-islamic-conference

 

 

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There are many splinters from the original. All I can say, go to the root of any particular group teachings to find its origin. As far a the racism stuff your referring to, there's been a kind of war going on, the civil war did not end in 1865. W F Muhammad realized a war was being fought between the slavemaster's children (oppressors) and the so-called freed slave (oppressed). It was the slavemaster's children newspaper and writers who is telling new thr immigrant coming to America that the Lost Found Nation of Islam were (blackmuslim) and are a racist group. If the Lost Found Nation of Islam in the West was a racist group. If this was true, then what was the founder. Don't believe everything the enemies of the NOI are sayying because, this is the same enemies who have the whole of the middle east, the whole world under threat of war today. Philosophically speaking, think about it.

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48 minutes ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

Looking for history on Muslim World Conferences held between 1874 - 1910.

I did find one that was held in the middle East but it centered around the need for a khilafah but this was after world war1 but before the house of Saud took the Hajaz.

Thank you anyone who can help with this topic.

I'm saying this because there was no knowledge the Africans being held as slaves in America until around 1874 in Mecca, it was kept a big secret by the British government and other European powers who were up to their nicks in this evil crime.

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1 minute ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

I'm saying this because there was no knowledge the Africans being held as slaves in America until around 1874 in Mecca, it was kept a big secret by the British government and other European powers who were up to their nicks in this evil crime.

What was going on in the Muslim world in 1874.

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It's possible for alliances between different groups. The great revolutionary leader Ayatollah Khomeini R.A, I think included among the Shia the Aliwats, if I'm not mistaken. He also talked about what the Great Devil, something that the Nation of Islam in the West would agree. People like Tabatabai with proofs of Allah swt existence, like Mulla Sadra with his philosophical Primecy of Existence, his way of synthesis of Philosophy, Theology, Mysticism and Illuminationist in Islam. Alliances are definitely possible but it will take visionaries to make it happen.

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15 hours ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

It's possible for alliances between different groups. The great revolutionary leader Ayatollah Khomeini R.A, I think included among the Shia the Aliwats, if I'm not mistaken. He also talked about what the Great Devil, something that the Nation of Islam in the West would agree. People like Tabatabai with proofs of Allah swt existence, like Mulla Sadra with his philosophical Primecy of Existence, his way of synthesis of Philosophy, Theology, Mysticism and Illuminationist in Islam. Alliances are definitely possible but it will take visionaries to make it happen.

Alawites, spelling correction my apologies!

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hi the great devil is something that refers to Regime & Govenment of USA not its citizen from any race pure Shia Islam respect all races & is against any type of racism & Nationalism 

People like Ayt Tabatabai  also worked on synthesis of Philosophy, Theology, Mysticism and Illuminationist in Islam beside Mulla Sadra that you can see some effects on works of Henry corbin 

http://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Man-of-Light-in-Iranian-Sufism-by-Henry-Corbin.pdf

https://www.amazon.com/Man-Light-Iranian-Sufism/dp/0930872487

https://archive.org/details/ManOfLightInIranianSufismByHenryCorbin

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/266124.The_Man_of_Light_in_Iranian_Sufism

https://www.amiscorbin.com/en/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Corbin

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/corbin-henry-b

 

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The  mission and work of Master Fard Muhammad  is in line with the values and mission  of  Shia Islam if you look at the teachings of Master Fard Muhammad you can find the influence of Shia Islam     in the early Nation of Islam under his leadership Master Fard Muhammad  taught his followers and students to love the Ahlul Bayt  The household of The Prophet Muhammad 

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6 minutes ago, islamicsoldier said:

The  mission and work of Master Fard Muhammad  is in line with the values and mission  of  Shia Islam if you look at the teachings of Master Fard Muhammad you can find the influence of Shia Islam     in the early Nation of Islam under his leadership Master Fard Muhammad  taught his followers and students to love the Ahlul Bayt  The household of The Prophet Muhammad 

I hope it back to early teachings of Master Fard Muhammad for Nation of Islam because what we see from outside of it's containment with not true teachings of other religions such as Scientology . 

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1 minute ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I hope it back to early teachings of Master Fard Muhammad for Nation of Islam because what we see from outside of it's containment with not true teachings of other religions such as Scientology . 

The Original Nation of Islam of Master Fard Muhammad and The Honorable Elijah Muhammad has nothing to do al all with the teachings of Scientology  since the death of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad in 1975  there are many different  branches of the Nation of Islam and Scientology is just something that Minister Louis Farrakhan and his particular  branch of the Nation of Islam are  doing and  it is  not something  that  the rest of the modem day  Nation of Islam  are doing and Scientology is not   a part of The original teachings of Master Fard Muhammad The Honorable Elijah Muhammad  

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55 minutes ago, islamicsoldier said:

The Original Nation of Islam of Master Fard Muhammad and The Honorable Elijah Muhammad has nothing to do al all with the teachings of Scientology  since the death of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad in 1975  there are many different  branches of the Nation of Islam and Scientology is just something that Minister Louis Farrakhan and his particular  branch of the Nation of Islam are  doing and  it is  not something  that  the rest of the modem day  Nation of Islam  are doing and Scientology is not   a part of The original teachings of Master Fard Muhammad The Honorable Elijah Muhammad  

Thanks but only their branch  mentions in media for outsiders like me I think that NOI needs to back to its true early teaching without Racism in any form & make a branch all oppressed people from any nation  & race as black & white & brown & red (native ,latio)..

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55 minutes ago, islamicsoldier said:

The Original Nation of Islam of Master Fard Muhammad and The Honorable Elijah Muhammad has nothing to do al all with the teachings of Scientology  since the death of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad in 1975  there are many different  branches of the Nation of Islam and Scientology is just something that Minister Louis Farrakhan and his particular  branch of the Nation of Islam are  doing and  it is  not something  that  the rest of the modem day  Nation of Islam  are doing and Scientology is not   a part of The original teachings of Master Fard Muhammad The Honorable Elijah Muhammad  

Thanks but only their branch  mentions in media for outsiders like me I think that NOI needs to back to its true early teaching without Racism in any form & make a branch all oppressed people from any nation  & race as black & white & brown & red (native ,latio)..

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2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

I hope it back to early teachings of Master Fard Muhammad for Nation of Islam because what we see from outside of it's containment with not true teachings of other religions such as Scientology . 

There's a disconnect about this racism stuff. One must understand that it was and is the "Regime," as you say about the "Great Devil," that has isolated the NOI today and its original message. It was the Devil's Regime that sicked their Wahabists allies on the NOI, by destroying its teaching temples and then by setting up their own schools. Please, don't think that the Regime is operating with out the people who made-up the regime, it don't work that way. Ayatollah Khomeini pbuh saw the Regime through a "telescope," the Honorable Elijah Muhammad pbuh saw the Regime through a "microscope."

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On 1/15/2018 at 9:01 PM, Maki D Cabarete said:

That most noble journey is the Resurrection of the mentally dead not the physically. In these teachings the physical or material body is the vehicle for the Resurrection of the self (mental) sometimes called the Soul by other scholars/scientists on the life of the soul. It is this Resurrection that we hope for before actual physical death.

Of the Lost Found Nation of Islam in the West teachings of God, is that He can be seen and He is not a spirit or a spook. He, God in the Nation of Islam in the West, is seen as a Man. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad pbuh saw God in the person of W F Muhammad before W F Muhammad told him who he actually was. It was after he, Elijah, heard W F Muhammad teachings that he realized for himself, that it was God who came as a man as was prophecies that He would, to judge the world.

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29 minutes ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

Of the Lost Found Nation of Islam in the West teachings of God, is that He can be seen and He is not a spirit or a spook. He, God in the Nation of Islam in the West, is seen as a Man. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad pbuh saw God in the person of W F Muhammad before W F Muhammad told him who he actually was. It was after he, Elijah, heard W F Muhammad teachings that he realized for himself, that it was God who came as a man as was prophecies that He would, to judge the world.

Hi this is not compatible with teachings of Ahlulbayt (as) everybody that claims that God (Allah) take any physical form is cursed by them & they ordered us to highly avoid them.

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Please be patient, do you recall the saying about how can God be seen, not by the eyes but by the heart!  It's in this context that these teachings must be studied. It's impossible to understand this from the outside of the NOI looking in. Initiation is required to get a more knowledgeable understanding on this subject, how to see God. It's wrong and sinful to say that God (takes on a form) of any kind. 

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Some context: Before the Honorable Elijah Muhammad pbuh name was Karim and Muhammad and before his conversion to Islam and becoming a disciple of W F Muhammad, he was a student of the bible, aspiring to be a Baptist preacher in his early life, similar to his Baptist preacher father. Elijah had a third grade education in the South of the United States under Jim Crow law at that time 1890s early 1900s. For the decedents of African slaves a Savour was prayed for and the King James version Bible was the only scripture available to most. Stores of the Son of Man coming to Judge the world and Hell fire coming to punish the wicked oppressors was on the mind of a young Elijah. 

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5 hours ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

Some context: Before the Honorable Elijah Muhammad pbuh name was Karim and Muhammad and before his conversion to Islam and becoming a disciple of W F Muhammad, he was a student of the bible, aspiring to be a Baptist preacher in his early life, similar to his Baptist preacher father. Elijah had a third grade education in the South of the United States under Jim Crow law at that time 1890s early 1900s. For the decedents of African slaves a Savour was prayed for and the King James version Bible was the only scripture available to most. Stores of the Son of Man coming to Judge the world and Hell fire coming to punish the wicked oppressors was on the mind of a young Elijah. 

Hi by your statement I understand that  they was influenced by Christianity teachings that adopt it with Islam.

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7 minutes ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

So upon meeting Mahdi wfm, Elijah recognized him to be the expected one that he read about in the bible.

Based on shia Islam view before emerging of sofyani (http://www.islamquest.net/en/archive/question/fa7456 ) who claims that have connection with Imam Mahdi (aj) or he is Mahdi he/she is a liar.

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W F Muhammad twpadf had many followers before Elijah pbuh started coming to the temple meetings. 

All people should have a knowledge of their own, African, Arab, Iranian, Turkish, Kurdish, Chinese, Indian, all people even the decedents of African slaves because with out it, people will follow something that which is not their own and that is agenst having a knowledge of self.  

That's why it's so important to have one from among yourselves give to you so there would be no excuses that you didn't understand. 

Remember, W F Muhammad twpadf only spent 3 1/2 years giving the basic, not converting to Sunni or Shia or Sufi, just a knowledge of Islam and then he left.

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