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I may have missed something but what does this about nationalism and the NOI, have to do with me asking for help on questions about Ahlulbayt and Muslims Council meeting (lIke UN meeting) in 1874 - 1914 Al-Hijaz, Arabia.

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5 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235009659-nation-of-islam/

Part Seven: Islam and Nationalism

Islam and nationalism as two opposite poles

Simple patriotic sentiments, so long as they do not contravene the higher conviction of man is permissible in Islam, like the affection one feels towards one's father, son and family. But as already shown, nationalism does not stop at simple sentiments. It is a socio-political creed and an actual way of life which aims at a full control of man's individual and social conduct. Islam, too, being a school having its own independent, spiritual, practical, political and social system and comprising a particular set of beliefs, it naturally comes into conflict with the school of nationalism.

https://www.al-islam.org/islam-and-nationalism-dr-ali-mohammed-naqvi/part-seven-islam-and-nationalism

 

Islam and Nationalism

AUTHOR(S): 

An analysis showing how far Islam and Nationalism are compatible. Some questions that are answered "Can an individual be a Muslim believer and a faithful nationalist at the same time? What has been the historical course of the birth and spread of nationalism in Islamic countries?"

TRANSLATOR(S): 
CATEGORY: 
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What does this have to do with Muslim world council meetings in 1874 - 1914 AD.?

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2 hours ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

I may have missed something but what does this about nationalism and the NOI, have to do with me asking for help on questions about Ahlulbayt and Muslims Council meeting (lIke UN meeting) in 1874 - 1914 Al-Hijaz, Arabia.

Is there any information about Ahlulbayt in this time period?

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12 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

He care about all humans specially slaves he is like sun behind the cloud that we can't see him but still getting benefit from its presence . with a simple search you will see increasing rate of conversion to Shia Islam specially in Nigeria that calls Islamic movement of Nigeria (IMN) that founded by Sheikh Zakzaky there (#freezakzaky)   that they stands the tyranny of their corrupt government beside that you can see that in Sunni Regions like Libya which Wahabists by help of groups such as  bukoharam & al-shabab makes it a new Slave trade center for slave trading .

You also used the Sun as a metaphor similar to the Lost Found Nation of Islam in the West symbol or emblem of Freedom but, if I'm not mistaken, you posted back then, that it was paganism to use Moon or Sun. 

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On 1/13/2018 at 1:46 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi Every one can be a messenger but in Shia Islam view the messenger of divine message must be clean from any sin & has clear life from birth to death that is only applicable for 12 Imams (as) & the God (Allah) message is for all human kind not  particular people .

When Imam Mahdi(aj) will reappear all human kind equally will be in the highest point.

nowadays moon is considers as symbol of paganism also as sun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Shia_Muslims_flags

Resurrection in Shia Islam view:

Maʿād or Resurrection (Arabic: معاد) is one of the roots of faith in Islam and means the return of people after death into life on the Day of Judgment (qiyama). According to this belief, all of the people will be resurrected on the Day of Judgment and their actions will be judged in the presence of God and they will be requited.

Resurrection has a great importance in Islam and nearly one third of Qur'an is about the resurrection and subjects related to it.

Believing in the resurrection has a great effect in the manner of life and causes people to do more good and avoid evil.

Resurrection could be imagined in two ways: spiritual resurrection, bodily resurrection.

The most important objections proposed about the subject is about the rational possibility of resurrection; some of which are: the objection of the eater and the eaten, the objection of returning the extinct, and the objection about the knowledge and the power of God.

Qur'an mentions some instances of resurrection in order to prove the possibility of resurrection. Proving the rational possibility of resurrection is possible using rational reasons, like: the reason of the creation (fitra), the reason of wisdom, the reason of justice, 

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Resurrection

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Bodily_Resurrection

http://shiastudies.org/article/al-ma-ad-resurrection

https://www.al-islam.org/day-of-judgement-sayyid-akhtar-rizvi/part-3-some-signs-day-resurrection

https://www.al-islam.org/resurrection-maad-quran-ayatullah-ibrahim-amini/gathering-humans-hashr

https://www.al-islam.org/resurrection-maad-quran-ayatullah-ibrahim-amini

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

Raj'at

The intention of W. F. Muhammad a.s. was to warn his people, who were lost from their own for more then 400 years, to warn them that, the Day of destruction is near at

Raj'at speech

Rajʿa (Arabic: الرَّجعَة), is the belief that a group of people who have died will return to the Earth shortly after the reappearance of the twelfth Shi'a Imam, al-Mahdi (a). It is a belief particular to the Shi'as. The Holy Qur'an has mentioned the story of some people who have been resurrected after death. Based on some hadiths, a number of perfect believers as well as a number of complete infidels will return to this world. The return of Imam Ali (a) and Imam al-Husayn (a) has been especially emphasized. Since there are mutawatir hadiths about raj'a, it is a certain fact. However, details about raj'a are not as certain.

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Raj'a

Question 10: What is raj‘ah {“return”} and why do you believe in it?

Reply: In Arabic, raj‘ah literally means “return” but it is used to mean “the return of a group of people after death and prior to the Day of Resurrection”. This truth is contradictory to neither reason nor the logic of revelation.

From the viewpoint of Islam and other divine creeds, the essence of man consists in his absolute soul, which is also described as the “self” {nafs}, and after the extinction of the body it continues to exist forever.

On the other hand, God, the Exalted, from the viewpoint of the Qur’an, is Omnipotent whose power nothing can hinder or limit.

This short introduction makes clear that raj‘ah, from the viewpoint of reason, is not impossible; for, we will find through reflection that the revival of this group of people is far easier than God’s first creation of them.

https://www.al-islam.org/180-questions-about-islam-vol-2-various-issues-makarim-shirazi/10-what-rajat-return-its-occurrence

Muḥammad b. al-Ḥasan al-'Askarī (Arabic: محمد بن الحسن العسکری) (born in 255/869), also known as Imam al-Mahdi (a) ( إمام المهدی), is the twelfth Imam in Twelver Shi'ism. He is the

promised savior, who will rise one day and fill the earth with peace and justice. Imam al-Mahdi (a) has been in occultation from the early years of his life. Shi'as regard him as the Imam of the present age. Among his well-known titles are Imam al-Zaman (the Imam of the time) and Wali l-'Asr (the guardian of the age).e

Imam al-Mahdi (a) became the Imam after the demise of his father Imam al-Hasan al-'Askari (a) in the year 260/874, when he was five. From that time until the year 329/940, he was in contact with his followers through his Four Deputies. After that, his Major Occultation started, in which period the direct guidance and leadership of the Shi'a community rests with religious scholars.

There are many hadiths transmitted from the Imams (a) about Imam al-Mahdi (a), his life, his Occultation, and his government, and many collections of such hadiths have been written. In addition to hadith collections, many works have been published about Imam al-Mahdi (a).

Every year, on Sha'ban 15, Shi'as celebrate the Imam's birth, marking one of the greatest Shi'i festivals.

The possibility of meeting the Imam (a) during his Major Occultation, when and how he reappears, and the incidents related to his reappearance are some of the popular discussions among Shi'as.

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Imam_Muhammad_b._al-Hasan_al-Mahdi_(a)

 

Man = Being

Being = Existence

Existence = Reality

Reality = God

It is same as Humanism Doctrine

Defining Humanity

A definition of humanity seems easy to think of yet difficult to propose, and there have been disputes about it among different schools of thought. Most pioneers in social thought and leaders of movements claim that the main feature of their activities is their humanism and humanitarian efforts. To avoid having misconceptions about humanity or sinking in the whirlpool of literal interpretations and logical disputes, we need to first focus on the reality of the human being and his different aspects, and then discuss the derived infinitive word form humanity, its meaning, virtues, and functions.

https://www.al-islam.org/message-thaqalayn/vol11-n4-2011/islam-humanity-and-human-values-sayyid-musa-sadr/islam-humanity-and

 

The Shia in brief

The talks about the Shia in the last years, especially after the victory of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, have been so widespread. The western information and its media spread everywhere in the world, focused on the Iranian Shia, describing them as ‘the fool of Allah’ one time and ‘terrorists’ another time.

This included the Lebanese Shia as well after they had threatened the American and western interests in Beirut. They were described as ‘excessive and extreme’. Not long after this, these descriptions were ascribed to all the Shia in the world. In fact, they included the Islamic movements everywhere in the world even if they were Sunni movements having nothing to do with the Shia.

https://www.al-islam.org/all-solutions-are-with-prophet-s-progeny-muhammad-al-tijani/shia-brief

 

The Sun and its symbolism!

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3 minutes ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

The Sun and its symbolism!

Sun in shia culture refers to Imam Ali (as) & other Imams as symbol of truthness of Shia Islam Islam against the moon that uses by Sunni muslims although symbol of Hand is more popular now that sign of hands of Hazrat Abbas that losen his two hands in way of protection of Imam Hussain (as)& Shis Islam.

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On ۱۳۹۶/۱۰/۲۵ at 10:25 PM, Maki D Cabarete said:

So logically thinking, would not the Imam Mahdi of Ahlulbayt a.s. care about the hundreds of years captivity of the descendents of African slaves by the Europeans in the Western Hemisphere from 1555 - 1874 AD.

Africa & Hidden Imam (aj) 1

P2

P3

5 Sayings of Imam Mahdi(aj) after reappearance 

https://youtu.be/YNmxKkjmoF8

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35 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Sun in shia culture refers to Imam Ali (as) & other Imams as symbol of truthness of Shia Islam Islam against the moon that uses by Sunni muslims although symbol of Hand is more popular now that sign of hands of Hazrat Abbas that losen his two hands in way of protection of Imam Hussain (as)& Shis Islam.

Yes the Sun in symbolism we use but that's not paganism as you suggested about how the NOI use it, please understand. There is only Allah swt and His manifestation in existence. 

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On 1/15/2018 at 9:01 PM, Maki D Cabarete said:

That most noble journey is the Resurrection of the mentally dead not the physically. In these teachings the physical or material body is the vehicle for the Resurrection of the self (mental) sometimes called the Soul by other scholars/scientists on the life of the soul. It is this Resurrection that we hope for before actual physical death.

The physical or material body, not to be confused with lustful flesh, is the holy material Allah swt created in the beginning.  It's the material body that the Lost Found Nation of Islam in the West teach by way of How to Eat to Live, that the material body can live a thousand years by eating the right food, thinking righteous thoughts and keeping in physical shape. It's the material body that the Creator Allah swt made for the self to evolve and mature in for to attain the most highest potential, the perfect self. It's possible for a person who is not completely mentally dead @ %, to reconize a person operating on a higher plain of existence, Saints, Prophets, Angels and God by His permission.

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2 hours ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

The physical or material body, not to be confused with lustful flesh, is the holy material Allah swt created in the beginning.  It's the material body that the Lost Found Nation of Islam in the West teach by way of How to Eat to Live, that the material body can live a thousand years by eating the right food, thinking righteous thoughts and keeping in physical shape. It's the material body that the Creator Allah swt made for the self to evolve and mature in for to attain the most highest potential, the perfect self. It's possible for a person who is not completely mentally dead @ %, to reconize a person operating on a higher plain of existence, Saints, Prophets, Angels and God by His permission.

In the Lost Found Muslim lesson No. 2 of the Nation of Islam, question No. 14, 15 and 16, the 15% consciousness of a man given as 85% unconscious, is the mentally dead and who must be resurrected while he lives. The 10% unconscious know who the living God is but don't teach it to the 85%, the 10% are the blood suckers of the poor. The 5% unconscious or 95% conscious who know and teach the 85% the truth of who the true and living God is and are all righteous.

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4 hours ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

In the Lost Found Muslim lesson No. 2 of the Nation of Islam, question No. 14, 15 and 16, the 15% consciousness of a man given as 85% unconscious, is the mentally dead and who must be resurrected while he lives. The 10% unconscious know who the living God is but don't teach it to the 85%, the 10% are the blood suckers of the poor. The 5% unconscious or 95% conscious who know and teach the 85% the truth of who the true and living God is and are all righteous.


We also call our Lord powerful but not because of the aggressiveness that the creatures 
display. If so, there a similarity would have existed as well as degrees of decrease that would 
involve increases. Whatever would decrease is not eternal and is weak. To our Lord, the Most 
Holy, the Most High, no one is similar, no contrary, no resemblance, no conditions, no end 
and no seeing of eyes. It is unlawful for the hearts to analogize Him. It is unlawful for the 
Awham (intuitive power) to limit Him. It is unlawful for one's consciousness to contain Him. 
He is far Glorious and Majestic and above coming within the reach of the means of His 
creatures or have the sings of His servants. He is High and Great and far above such matters."

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/3/16/6

The man said, 'Bring himSAWW out'. So sheas brought himSAWW out. He looked at
himSAWW, then turned himSAWW over and looked at the mole between hisSAWW shoulder
blades. He fell down unconscious. So they took the boySAWW, and gave himSAWW to
hisSAWW motheras and said, 'May AllahAZWJ Bless youas with regards to himSAWW'. When
they went out, he had regained consciousness, so they said to him, 'What is the
matter with you? Woe be unto you!' He said, 'The Prophet-hood has gone from the
Children of Israel up to the Day of Judgement. By AllahAZWJ! This is the one whoSAWW
will destroy them'. The Quresyh were happy with that. So when he saw that they had
become happy, he said, 'You are becoming happy? But, by AllahAZWJ, heSAWW will rob
you of the power which the people of the East and the West would talk about it'. And
Abu Sufyan was saying, 'HeSAWW would rob (the power) from hisSAWW own city?'

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/36/44/3

 His 
distancing is not out of boastfulness or greatness and his 
closeness is not a plot or deceit. It is because he follows the 
footsteps of those before him, the people of goodness. Thus, he 
is the leader for those after him. 

"The narrator has said that Hammam breathed very deeply and 
fell down unconscious. Amir al-Mu'minin (Ali ibn abu Talib), 
recipient of divine supreme covenant, said, 'By Allah I was 
afraid of its effect for him. This is how effective advice works 
on people deserving such advice. Someone said, 'Why does it 
not apply to you, O Amir al-Mu'minin?' The Imam said, 'For 
everything there is an appointed time that is not surpassed and a 
cause that does not fail. Wait, and do not transgress. It was a 
blow that Satan made to flow through your tongue.

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/5/95/1

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/results/consciousness

 

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1 hour ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

May Allah swt protect those who yearn to be near to Him.

We shia muslims are yearning to be near him by loving &obeying Ahlul-Bayt  (as) specialy Imam Mahdi (aj).

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9 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

WHO is son of man Really!?

Son of man

Salam the leader of new Nation of Islam claims that he is son of man !!!?

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

Because you brought it up, I'm curious, can you explain this topic, "son of man."

Son of Man is the last saviour of humankind that mentioned in bible in shia Islam view he is Imam mahdi (aj) & Jesus is son of god that they together will defeat Dajjal (Antichrist) & based on shia Islam hadiths from Imam Mahdi(aj) who claims before emerging of Sofyani from Syria (Sham) That has connection to him or he is Mahdi is a liar.

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10 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Son of Man is the last saviour of humankind that mentioned in bible in shia Islam view he is Imam mahdi (aj) & Jesus is son of god that they together will defeat Dajjal (Antichrist) & based on shia Islam hadiths from Imam Mahdi(aj) who claims before emerging of Sofyani from Syria (Sham) That has connection to him or he is Mahdi is a liar.

So the above videos that you posted is in contrast to each other, in your view. Just trying to understand why this topic on the "Son of Man" in this discussion at this time.

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2 minutes ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

So the above videos that you posted is in contrast to each other, in your view. Just trying to understand why this topic on the "Son of Man" in this discussion at this time.

Because the leader of new Nation of Islam  claims that  him is  son of man that a big lie that causes astraying people.

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31 minutes ago, Maki D Cabarete said:

However, W F Muhammad had many other followers but I don't think there is anyone today, that he taught, teaching his teachings, if I'm not mistaken. But, if I'm mistaken, please forgive me!

But in background on wall is painting of founders of Nation of Islam & also mr Farrakhan supports him any way I can’t with  any type of racism in Islam although it’s seen in all Muslim community such as Iranians know themselves better than Arabs & Afghans & Pakistanis have these issue between themselves & others.

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