Becoming Freemason change status as Shi'i?

[AnotherShepherd 150]

Hypothetically. 

Would it negate my identity as a Shi'i? 

[Arminmo 127]

Yes definitely, that's wrong.

Did you know what's the ideaology behind Freemasonry? They are devil worshipers.

Edited January 6 by Arminmo

[AnotherShepherd 150]

6 minutes ago, Arminmo said:

Yes definitely, that's wrong.

Did you know what's the ideaology behind Freemasonry? They are devil worshipers.

Hm. I've heard of this accusation before, but my research proves on the contrary. It appears it's deeply involved with a journey to the esoteric and the affirmation of a sole Creator. 

I know there are accusations that the deeper levels of freemasonry reveal its inclinations to the "devil" but I can't help but feel it's misinformation much the same way people accuse Islam of being a death cult etc. 

[Gaius I. Caesar 5,829]

Just now, AnotherShepherd said:

Hm. I've heard of this accusation before, but my research proves on the contrary. It appears it's deeply involved with a journey to the esoteric and the affirmation of a sole Creator. 

I know there are accusations that the deeper levels of freemasonry reveal its inclinations to the "devil" but I can't help but feel it's misinformation much the same way people accuse Islam of being a death cult etc. 

I would say definitely not, being a Freemason doesnt negate being Shi'i from what I have reasearched. The people say it is devil-worshipping are repeating a lie from a delusional monk.

Although I wouldn't join Shriners, they make a mockery of Islam. Note: I am not a Mason.

[Arminmo 127]

You guys should definitely change your views about Freemasonry, you can't be both with God and against God:

http://www.islamvsdajjal.com/illuminati-freemasons

 

Edited January 6 by Arminmo

[Gaius I. Caesar 5,829]

4 minutes ago, Arminmo said:

You guys should definitely change your views about Freemasonry, you can't be both with God and against God:

http://www.islamvsdajjal.com/illuminati-freemasons

 

You need to be really wary of what read on the Internet. The site reeks of speculation and conspiracy theories.

[Arminmo 127]

1 minute ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

You need to be really wary of what read on the Internet. The site reeks of speculation and conspiracy theories.

That's your own personal belief , that is against all Muslim believes !! 

Can you show even a one Muslim website that is praising freemasonry?

 

[Arminmo 127]

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

The people say it is devil-worshipping are repeating a lie

Now you labeled all Muslims as liars ! That's interesting. (because all are saying that) a mason Wana be disguised as a Muslim.

Edited January 6 by Arminmo

[Gaius I. Caesar 5,829]

11 minutes ago, Arminmo said:

Now you labeled all Muslims as liars ! That's interesting. (because all are saying that) a mason disguised as a Muslim.

Think carefully before you accuse me of something you can't prove. 

22 minutes ago, Arminmo said:

That's your own personal belief , that is against all Muslim believes !! 

What is my personal belief? That Masonry is compatible with Islam?, to a certain degree it is but afterwards starts to get questionable. I have done research on the subject, have you?

Edited January 6 by Gaius I. Caesar

[Arminmo 127]

How come conclusions 

1 hour ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

The people say it is devil-worshipping are repeating a lie

I don't need to accuse you of anything, you clearly said that right now. Are you denying this quote?

You did research ?So how come conclusions that reached your mind does not reach any other muslims mind? Have you ever thought about that?

Edited January 6 by Arminmo

[Arminmo 127]

Either: a) all Muslim are dumb that can't think clearly and you are a genius.or b) the opposite!

Pick one , both can't be right.

Edited January 6 by Arminmo

[Gaius I. Caesar 5,829]

8 minutes ago, Arminmo said:

 I don't need to accuse you of anything, you clearly said that right now. Are you denying this quote?

No, I would be an idiot to deny it.

8 minutes ago, Arminmo said:

So how come conclusions that reached your mind does not reach any other muslims mind? Have you ever thought about that?

Well, I think it is because I am open-minded and usually learn about something before saying that a group of people are "devil-worshippers".

Plus, Freemasonry is for all intents and purposes, banned in the Muslim majority countries. So the information isn't as readily available there. It is really easy also to misrepresent the Freemasons, seeing as they are secretive.

I made that mistake when I first converted to Islam,  I thought Shias were devil-worshippers masquerading as Muslims. I don't want to do that again, why would I do that with Freemasons? It would be very hypocritical of me to make that mistake again.

[AnotherShepherd 150]

There's a strong aversion to freemasonry in non-western Muslims. I attribute it to conspiracy theories and the need to explain social woes that are more a consequence of western imperialism and less a consequence of a spiritual fraternity. Either way, this is a good discussion. 

[Gaius I. Caesar 5,829]

Just now, AnotherShepherd said:

There's a strong aversion to freemasonry in non-western Muslims. I attribute it to conspiracy theories and the need to explain social woes that are more a consequence of western imperialism and less a consequence of a spiritual fraternity. Either way, this is a good discussion. 

Yeah, that's the impression that I get as well. 

[realizm 1,165]

30 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Think carefully before you accuse me of something you can't prove. 

What is my personal belief? That Masonry is compatible with Islam?, to a certain degree it is but afterwards starts to get questionable. I have done research on the subject, have you?

Is it true that only a monotheist of the 3 religions can join freemasonry?

[Gaius I. Caesar 5,829]

Just now, realizm said:

Is it true that only a monotheist of the 3 religions can join freemasonry?

 Yes, but it is not exclusively Abrahamic. You have to be a monotheist to join the English lodge, no atheism allowed.

[AnotherShepherd 150]

Lodges in more liberal states are willing to accept you as long as you affirm a sole Creator. 

[realizm 1,165]

Just now, Gaius I. Caesar said:

 Yes, but it is not exclusively Abrahamic. You have to be a monotheist to join the English lodge, no atheism allowed.

Thanks. 

Weird when freemasonry forged the secular, godless society we now live in.

[Gaius I. Caesar 5,829]

6 minutes ago, realizm said:

Thanks. 

Weird when freemasonry forged the secular, godless society we now live in.

That's a myth, it was the copycats and the French Lodge who caused a more secular society. From I understand,  if you have or profess atheist beliefs, they basically expel you.

Edited January 6 by Gaius I. Caesar

[AnotherShepherd 150]

Right. The enlightenment and the dawn of scientific reasoning has ushered in secularism more than freemasonry ever did, historically. 

[Jimmy Boy 30]

Guys,stay away from freemasonry! I do not know if they worship the devil but one thing I know for sure:they believe every man is God Himself and that their task is to help him realize this fact by working on himself just like a mason works on a building! I've read these abominations in several Mason forum where I lurk and in Dan Brown's book ' The lost symbol' which speaks about masonry and which has been rewied favourably by freemasons!

If you believe God is within you,or that you are actually God,you are outside of Islam and you should also  should be locked up in a mental institution!

Edited January 6 by Jimmy Boy

[realizm 1,165]

6 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

That's a myth, it was the copycats and the French Lodge who caused a more secular society. From I understand,  if you have or profess atheist beliefs, they basically expel you.

I have to read about the differences between the lodges then, to me there is only one Freemasonry.

[Arminmo 127]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Boy said:

Guys,stay away from freemasonry! I do not know if they worship the devil but one thing I know for sure:they believe every man is God Himself and that their task is to help him realize this fact by working on himself just like a mason works on a building! I've read these abominations in several Mason forum where I lurk and in Dan Brown's book ' The lost symbol' which speaks about masonry and which has been rewied favourably by freemasons!

If you believe God is within you,or that you are actually God,you are outside of Islam and you should also  should be locked up in a mental institution!

I told them, but:

Either: a) all Muslim are dumb that can't think clearly and these guys are a genius.or b) the opposite!

Pick one , both can't be right.

[Gaius I. Caesar 5,829]

Just now, realizm said:

I have to read about the differences between the lodges then, to me there is only one Freemasonry.

Yeah, that's a huge mistake. It would be a good idea to read about the subject and the differences.

[AnotherShepherd 150]

Just now, Arminmo said:

I told them, but:

Either: a) all Muslim are dumb that can't think clearly and these guys are a genius.or b) the opposite!

Pick one , both can't be right.

Akhlaq, my brother. Akhlaq.