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On 12/28/2017 at 10:47 PM, Fatima Zehra110.. said:

Mr... mind ur own bussiness plzz dont irritate its my countyr not urs okk none of ur bussiness...

Just so that you may know, we the Shia have no country; we are a single, transnational, polyphonic, multicultural nation of 296 million citizens. We have no country,no 'homeland' or 'motherland', and only ourselves, to fall back upon in times of need. Stop squabbling over lines drawn over sand with human hands. The Shia of Bahrain have learnt this the hard way. So wake up and chuck all that romantic, patriotic (read 'soft nativism/asabiyyah' ) slush and wake up before it's too late, for your own good. Instead of fragmenting along man-made make-believe entities, unite under the liwa of Ahlul Bayt (a.s.).

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2 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Just so that you may know, we the Shia have no country; we are a single, transnational, polyphonic, multicultural nation of 296 million citizens. We have no country,no 'homeland' or 'motherland', and only ourselves, to fall back upon in times of need. Stop squabbling over lines drawn over sand with human hands. The Shia of Bahrain have learnt this the hard way. So wake up and chuck all that romantic, patriotic (read 'soft nativism/asabiyyah' ) slush and wake up before it's too late, for your own good. Instead of fragmenting along man-made make-believe entities, unite under the liwa of Ahlul Bayt (a.s.).

But i love my country nd i cant listen against it specially from foreigners or anti Pakistan agencies...

 

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22 hours ago, Jin Jin said:

"A Russian President once said that if he had Pakistan’s army and Russian weapons he could conquer all the world because they are very brave.” 

No doubt... pak army is considered strongest army all over the world

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Pakistan Declared the Best 2018 Travel Destination in the World

Recently, the British Backpacker Society ranked what they deemed as the top travel destinations for 2018. Among their final choices were prominent nations like China, Russia, and India. Considering all of their selections, the British Backpacker Society noted, “Pakistan is the clear winner of the British Backpacker Society’s top 20 adventure travel destinations 2018, and we encourage keen travelers to book a trip now.”

https://www.google.de/amp/s/trekbible.com/pakistan-declared-best-2018-travel-destination/amp/

So when are y'all coming??

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On 1/2/2018 at 4:14 PM, Wahdat said:

dont tell me you are wearing a little green hat saying 'making pakistan great again' with your little beautiful fence :lol: 
Imran Khan marrying a gori or you imitating  trump shows how the entire psyche of majority in Pakistan is shaped by the Sahibs out West.

Excuse me but I think that it is too pretentious to compare Afghanistan to other, real countries and their events. You rolled over and handed your poppy field of a country to uncle Sam and now they have stopped spending money and brought in their mercs ISIS who are slaughtering your morphienist "army" and civilians and paving the road to another great Afghani national collapse. The fence was not all we could afford rather we are also heavily mining this side of the border fully ignoring the Geneva convention. We have to safeguard our country from the inevitable fallout. Unlike Trump's wall the Durand line is from a sci-fi horror setting where the living have to try and stop a horde of monsters in order to survive. Afghanis should do something about that. But you should have done something about that when they pulled Karzai out of an American bomb factory and installed over you.

No offense. And hoping for the best.

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There you go...your rants make for a good make pakistan great again campaign lol.

 

But i still believe in no govt at once (as is the case in afghanistan) than a bad and slave govt of a cartoon of a country like Pakistan- a country that ranks number one only in watching gay porn ...a country that is the cancer of the region.

if I, like you, chanted for a foreign entity such as a state then you could have compared afghanistan to cartoonish pakistan...but i wont...for i consider it a shame...cuz i have the wealth of Persian and Turkic history in my heart & mind to fight for a British bone- whether its pakistan or afghanistan- to hell with the both of them....in an ideal and sane world afghanistan would join iran, and pakistan india... and stopped with all these stupidity & madness.

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9 hours ago, Wahdat said:

i have the wealth of Persian and Turkic history in my heart & mind

And I'm the queen of England.

You, my friend, are a generic Afghan as evident by your behavior and the nature of what your "heart and mind" contain. And it is precisely the reason Afghanistan is what it is and why it was taken over by the likes of USSR, India, Taliban, USA, Uzbek mercs, ISIS and whoever else is interested in setting up a global business of drugs. Or perhaps your mind is a product of those events.

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9 minutes ago, Laayla said:

I never knew that Pakistanis and Afghans have issues with each other.  Why?

 

What Afghans? There are no Afghans. Let me explain. The country and its dwellers are sitting in the lap of India and USA and making war upon us at their side instead of being grateful to us for accommodating several million real Afghan refugees for nearly two decades. They say we gave them the Taliban which is a lie and even if it were true their post monarchy recent history indicates that Taliban regime was the better one and before it they were slaughtering each other divided up and playing in the hands of petty, uncharismatic warlords with no vision.

In fact Afghanistan is only a stretch of extremely hazardous wasteland since some time. It is a safe haven for all manner of criminals. During the USSR occupation the Afghans KHAD spread their arms to KGB and the agents crossed the Durand line and would drop toy bombs in the streets of Peshawar to kill our children. Later under each regime, regardless of their views they passively served them, being an arbitrary wasteland people. Uzbek mercenaries living in Afghanistan hired by India or others would cross the border and cause havoc and grief in Pakistan. Not to mention all the smuggling and slash to our economy because it is a lawless wasteland. It is the birthplace of Heroine and millions have died due to it, growing and selling poppy mainly being the produce of Afghan agriculture. A developing country like Pakistan is forced to and can't but build a fence along the hundreds of kilometers of border with Afghanistan. Its like a zombie land. We are also building forts and setting mine fields. We have no choice.

Isn't that sad? We have no particular issues no more than a man trying to defend himself has an issue with a vicious venomous snake.

"Afghans". There are none as we imagine a nation or a community to be. The world thinks its a "muslim country" belonging to the "Afghan nation". I simply say,  prove it. Prove there is one. The last Afghans fled that area decades ago. Like seepage from a wound they have spread all around mostly immediately around what used to be their country. Even Iran these days is sick and tired of them so its not just Pakistan.

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6 hours ago, Darth Vader said:

And I'm the queen of England.

You, my friend, are a generic Afghan as evident by your behavior and the nature of what your "heart and mind" contain. And it is precisely the reason Afghanistan is what it is and why it was taken over by the likes of USSR, India, Taliban, USA, Uzbek mercs, ISIS and whoever else is interested in setting up a global business of drugs. Or perhaps your mind is a product of those events.

could it be that it failed to make a good little slave like pakistan? who ever tried to take over were burnt.

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6 hours ago, Laayla said:

I never knew that Pakistanis and Afghans have issues with each other.  Why?

 

Pakistan is the Israel of the region. It was built on lands stolen from India and Afg by the British. Then it was on the life support of USAid. Along with Israel its the only country that was formed based on 'religion'. Its the womb for all the terrorist organizations.  Like Israel It has hostile relationship with all its neighbours except for China thats bribing it. Most importantly, it is created to block the historical union of Central Asia and Iran with South Asia- and this opening has been crucial for the region since birth of Hinduism to rise of the richest Islamic civilization- the Mughuls. etc etc 

My opposition to this cancerous entity does not come from me being Afghan for I could care less for such a europen given identity and actually see it as an insult...but as someone from the region and with immense love for the region. 

 

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2 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Loving of Homeland is from Faith but it not causes that we become enemies each other.

not when your homeland is the womb for terrorist organization...your politicians corrupt puppets....your society sick where human or donkey flesh is often sold in restaurants...rampant homosexuality....heaven for all sorts of smuglers...gay-porn capital of the world etc etc...you come from a healthy country like Iran...a country with history and culture and could not understand how dirty and sick Pakistan is until you go and visit...and folks in Pakistan likewise...they have no idea that a country could be healthy and positive like Iran. Hence, loving such a filthy country should be forbidden.

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6 minutes ago, Wahdat said:

not when your homeland is the womb for terrorist organization...your politicians corrupt puppets....your society sick where human or donkey flesh is often sold in restaurants...rampant homosexuality....heaven for all sorts of smuglers...gay-porn capital of the world etc etc...you come from a healthy country like Iran...a country with history and culture and could not understand how dirty and sick Pakistan is until you go and visit...and folks in Pakistan likewise...they have no idea that a country could be healthy and positive like Iran. Hence, loving such a filthy country should be forbidden.

Lol you kiss the boots of other people and heap praise on other countries because your country is a failiure. 

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58 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Lol you kiss the boots of other people and heap praise on other countries because your country is a failiure. 

I consider not selling young girls in slave markets (like Iraq) a resounding success. I consider not defining myself under a European given flag a phenomenal success. Afgs defeated the Brits 3 times, Iraq was defined, created, and ran by Brits...etc etc

What failure are you talking about? Bad economy? I do not see that as a failure for a country that has been @ war for 40 years.

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

Lol you kiss the boots of other people and heap praise on other countries because your country is a failiure. 

let me tell you why I said what I said in that quoted post.

Imam Khoemnei was meeting Edward Shivardnadze (sp) the Soviet foreign minister in Tehran. Imam asked him to make Soviets stop supplying your cousin Saddam from shelling Iranian cities. The foreign minister agreed but on one condition- to support Soviets in Afg. Imam flatly denied...being aware of 1000s of years of common history and brotherhood.

Pakistan, in order to pave wary for Texas oil companies, destroyed Afghanistan literally...ISI announced that they would buy electricity wires, poles, machines from govt owned factories, buses etc etc....in order to escape starvation people ruined whatever little Afg had. Why? Because decission makers in Pakistan lacked the culture and knowledge of history like the Imam from Iran.....even blood of Iranians did not permit his conscience to harm Afg why in Pakistan it was a matter of few dollars....do you get it or should I start drawing pictures?

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32 minutes ago, Wahdat said:

I consider not selling young girls in slave markets (like Iraq) a resounding success. I consider not defining myself under a European given flag a phenomenal success. Afgs defeated the Brits 3 times, Iraq was defined, created, and ran by Brits...etc etc

What failure are you talking about? Bad economy? I do not see that as a failure for a country that has been @ war for 40 years.

Lol. You think every country has no social issues? Slave markets in Iraq are a result of terrorism and poverty, which are being tackled and going to be defeated insha Allah. It's not even something that existed before 2003.

Afghanistan is currently run by Britain. Iraq was the first Middle Eastern country after the Ottoman Empire was deleted from the map to revolt against Britain. Iran and everyone else were still puppeteering. The borders of modern day Iraq were defined by Britain, and Iraqis were always against these borders. Even in their schools they taught against these borders and called it an imperialist creation, and Iraq has fought wars to change the border, for example Kuwait. But what was the result? War. So the borders are here to stay and any attempt to change them will result in the entire world uniting against you. Btw you yourself are an apologist for American presence in Afghanistan, so you can't smear other countries for being run by Britain.

It's funny you use the example of slave markets to smear Iraq but then you use the excuse of war to explain a bad economy. I'm not saying it's a bad excuse, I'm saying it goes both ways.

Let me explain Afghanistan's failiure. A large segment of the population support the Taliban. And the Taliban has controlled 40%+ of Afghanistan for years. And it is impossible to defeat them. That is Afghanistan's failiure.

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1 hour ago, Sumerian said:

It's funny you use the example of slave markets to smear Iraq but then you use the excuse of war to explain a bad economy. I'm not saying it's a bad excuse, I'm saying it goes both ways.

Way to always miss the point.

Being poor is ok. Selling someone's mother, sister, wife, or daughter as sex slaves is NOT.

You said Afghanistan was a failure. I said Economically yes, that is unfortunate and result of war; Politically yes, as it must because nation state is a foreign plot; Morally NO!!!!, cuz the non-Pashtun inhabitants of today's Afghanistan are way too honourable, ancient and cultured to resort to such low levels of humanity, and morality despite the way more tougher situation that was their reality.
Look at what happened to Syria after only 7 years of war...Afg has been at war on and off for over 250 years..especially the last 40 years...despite all that Afgs kept it real.

The reason behind this Obvious fact is that unlike Iraq or Pakistan or Saudi or Jordan Afghanistan did not let itself get influenced by Western culture and kept close to its traditional roots where izzat, namoos, chivalry, honour were seen as more important than possessing a flatscreen tv, oil wells, S400s, a toy army, or some tall bldg. get it?

to make long story short- yes economically and politically afg has been a failure...but morally it has been very successful and thats what its people were shooting for.

 

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1 hour ago, Wahdat said:

Way to always miss the point.

Being poor is ok. Selling someone's mother, sister, wife, or daughter as sex slaves is NOT.

You said Afghanistan was a failure. I said Economically yes, that is unfortunate and result of war; Politically yes, as it must because nation state is a foreign plot; Morally NO!!!!, cuz the non-Pashtun inhabitants of today's Afghanistan are way too honourable, ancient and cultured to resort to such low levels of humanity, and morality despite the way more tougher situation that was their reality.
Look at what happened to Syria after only 7 years of war...Afg has been at war on and off for over 250 years..especially the last 40 years...despite all that Afgs kept it real.

The reason behind this Obvious fact is that unlike Iraq or Pakistan or Saudi or Jordan Afghanistan did not let itself get influenced by Western culture and kept close to its traditional roots where izzat, namoos, chivalry, honour were seen as more important than possessing a flatscreen tv, oil wells, S400s, a toy army, or some tall bldg. get it?

to make long story short- yes economically and politically afg has been a failure...but morally it has been very successful and thats what its people were shooting for.

 

Say what? You think such crimes or similar to it don't exist in Afghanistan? 

You still have this lunacy which exists till today;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Iraqi society is still based on tribal codes and honour. I don't know about the other countries you stated so I won't speak for them.

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6 minutes ago, Sumerian said:

Say what? You think such crimes or similar to it don't exist in Afghanistan? 

You still have this lunacy which exists till today;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Iraqi society is still based on tribal codes and honour. I don't know about the other countries you stated so I won't speak for them.

so there are no gays in Iraq? Being homosexual is one thing, selling people's mothers, sisters, daughters, and wives as sex slaves quite another.

The term btw was amplified by PBS to justifying the dehumanization of the other as means to the continuation of the war...what else are they going to say..we are there for Russia and China?

Let ISIS be an example of what is produced by Iraq and its tribal code...or Saddam maybe? What about 'chemical ali' guy?

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oh and homosexuality is rampant and part of Pashtun people's culture in the south...I can surely say that among the shias its nothing more than individual choices...

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1 hour ago, Wahdat said:

so there are no gays in Iraq? Being homosexual is one thing, selling people's mothers, sisters, daughters, and wives as sex slaves quite another.

The term btw was amplified by PBS to justifying the dehumanization of the other as means to the continuation of the war...what else are they going to say..we are there for Russia and China?

Let ISIS be an example of what is produced by Iraq and its tribal code...or Saddam maybe? What about 'chemical ali' guy?

All are greater sins in the eyes of Islam. 

ISIS wasn't produced by Iraq's tribal code, it was produced by Salafist thought imported into Iraq and Saddam was the biggest opponent of tribalism because he didn't want anyone to be powerful, and a tribal leader who leads a powerful tribe can be dangerous if he turns on him. 

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