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حمد بن علي بن أبي طالب الطبرسي في (الاحتجاج): عن أبي عبدالله (عليه السلام) ـ في حديث ـ أن زنديقا قال له: أخبرني عن المجوس كانوا أقرب الى الصواب فى دينهم، أم العرب؟ قال: العرب في الجاهلية كانت أقرب الى الدين الحنيفي من المجوس، وذلك أن المجوس كفرت بكل الأنبياء ـ الى أن قال ـ وكانت المجوس لا تغتسل من الجنابة، والعرب كانت تغتسل، والاغتسال من خالص شرائع الحنيفية، وكانت المجوس لا تختتن، والعرب تختتن وهو من سنن الأنبياء، وإن أول من فعل ذلك إبراهيم الخليل، وكانت المجوس لا تغسل موتاها ولا تكفنها، وكانت العرب تفعل ذلك، وكانت المجوس ترمي بالموتى في الصحاري والنواويس , والعرب تواريها في قبورها وتلحدها، وكذلك السنة على الرسل، إن أول من حفر له قبر آدم أبو البشر، والحد له لحد، وكانت المجوس تأتي الأمهات وتنكح البنات والأخوات، وحرمت ذلك العرب، وأنكرت المجوس بيت الله الحرام، وسمته بيت الشيطان، وكانت العرب تحجه وتعظمه وتقول بيت ربنا، وكانت العرب في كل الأسباب أقرب الى الدين الحنيفية من المجوس ـ الى أن قال ـ فما علة الغسل منالجنابة، وإنما أتى الحلال، وليس من الحلال تدنيس؟ قال (عليه السلام): إن الجنابة بمنزلة الحيض، وذلك أن النطفة دم لم يستحكم، ولا يكون الجماع الا بحركة شديدة وشهوة غالبة، فإذا فرغ الرجل تنفس البدن، ووجد الرجل من نفسه رائحة كريهة، فوجب الغسل لذلك، وغسل الجنابة مع ذلك أمانة ائتمن الله عليها عبيده ليختبرهم بها

Ahmad b. `Ali b. Abi Talib at-Tabrisi in al-Ihtijaj from Abu `Abdillah (as) in a hadith wherein a zindeeq (freethinker, atheist, Manichean, etc) said to him: Inform me about the Majus (i.e. Zoroastrians), were they closer to being right in their religion or the `Arab (i.e. the pagan `Arab)? He said: The `Arab in Jahiliyya was closer to the true religion (ad-deen al-haneefi) than the Majus. And that is because the Majus denied all of the prophets – until he said – And the Majus would not do ghusl from janaba, and the `Arab would do ghusl. And doing ghusl is from the pure laws of the Haneefiya. And the Majus would not circumcise, and the `Arab would circumcise, and it is from the sunan of the prophets. And verily the first one who did that was Ibrahim the Friend. And the Majus would not give ghusl to their dead, and not enshroud (give kafan) them, and the `Arab would do that. And the Majus would throw the dead in the desert and sarcophagi, and the `Arab hid it in their graves and entombed it, and likewise is the sunna upon the Messengers. And verily the first one who had a grave dug for him was Adam, the father of man, and a tomb was entombed for him. And the Majus would come unto the mothers and marry the daughters and the sisters, and the `Arab forbade that. And the Majus denied the the house of Allah, the Haram, and called it the house of Shaytan. And the Arab would do hajj to it and venerate it and call it the house of our Lord. And the `Arab in every way was closer to the true religion than the Majus – until he said – So what is the reason for the ghusl from janaba? It only comes (from?) the halal, and there is no pollution from the halal? He (as) said: Verily janaba is of the status of menstruation. And that is because the nutfa is a blood that is not aggravated. And sexual intercourse is not but by intense motion and dominant desire. So when the man discharges, the body respires, and the man finds a foul odour from himself. So the ghusl is wajib because of that. And the ghusl of janaba (along) with that is a trust that Allah entrusts His servants upon it that He might test them by it.

Translation taken from here:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234987283-shiah-hadiths-on-al-majus/

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Thoughts: this exposed the false religion of the majoos and the dirty actions that they would do, and it is sad that some believers would participate in majoosi events.

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50 minutes ago, alidu78 said:

So why zoroastrians are considered as ahl hul Kitab exactly? 

Being Ahlul Kitab does not necessiate being closer to Islam.

Example: someone accepts everything about Islam but rejects Salat Al-Maghrib knowingly.

That person is not Ahlul Kitab but still is a kafir, even though he is closer to Islam than someone from Ahlul Kitab because he accepts everything except Salat Al-Maghrib.

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٦ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالصَّابِئِينَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ وَالْمَجُوسَ وَالَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا إِنَّ اللَّـهَ يَفْصِلُ

بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّـهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدٌ ﴿١٧

Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associate (others with Allah)-- surely Allah will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely Allah is a witness over all things. (17

http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.shakir/22:17

Salam the Majoos (Zoroastrian) is the only non Abrahamic religion that that approved on Holy Quran by Allah.

& Ahlulbayt (as) from prophet (pbu) ,Imam Ali(as) ,rest of them always be the supporter of Iranians against Arabs like Umar & etc

so if them were Kafir (unbeleivers) how they could support them.

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  On ۱۳۹۰/۳/۷ at 12:48 PM, Nader Zaveri said: 

There is another hadeeth in Al-Kaafi, it is Da`eef, that talks about a Prophet being sent to the Al-Majoos.

Here is the hadeeth I mentioned the other day. This hadeeth is da`eef (weak). This hadeeth says that the Majoos are the Ahl Al-Kitaab.

مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَبِي يَحْيَى الْوَاسِطِيِّ عَنْ بَعْضِ أَصْحَابِنَا قَالَ سُئِلَ أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع عَنِ الْمَجُوسِ أَ كَانَ لَهُمْ نَبِيٌّ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ أَ مَا بَلَغَكَ كِتَابُ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص إِلَى أَهْلِ مَكَّةَ أَنْ أَسْلِمُوا وَ إِلَّا نَابَذْتُكُمْ بِحَرْبٍ فَكَتَبُوا إِلَى رَسُولِ اللَّهِ ص أَنْ خُذْ مِنَّا الْجِزْيَةَ وَ دَعْنَا عَلَى عِبَادَةِ الْأَوْثَانِ فَكَتَبَ إِلَيْهِمُ النَّبِيُّ ص أَنِّي لَسْتُ آخُذُ الْجِزْيَةَ إِلَّا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ فَكَتَبُوا إِلَيْهِ يُرِيدُونَ بِذَلِكَ تَكْذِيبَهُ زَعَمْتَ أَنَّكَ لَا تَأْخُذُ الْجِزْيَةَ إِلَّا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ ثُمَّ أَخَذْتَ الْجِزْيَةَ مِنْ مَجُوسِ هَجَرَ فَكَتَبَ إِلَيْهِمُ النَّبِيُّ ص أَنَّ الْمَجُوسَ كَانَ لَهُمْ نَبِيٌّ فَقَتَلُوهُ وَ كِتَابٌ أَحْرَقُوهُ أَتَاهُمْ نَبِيُّهُمْ بِكِتَابِهِمْ فِي اثْنَيْ عَشَرَ أَلْفَ جِلْدِ ثَوْرٍ 

From some of our companions said Aboo `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) was asked about Al-Majoos, did they have a Prophet? So he (عليه السلام) said: ‘Yes, have you not been conveyed the letter of the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) to the people of Mekkah? (he said to them) accept Islaam, (if not) we will oppose you and wage war. So they wrote to the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) that take from us al-jizyah, and leave us to worship our idols. So the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) wrote to them (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), ‘I cannot (accept) Al-Jizyah except from the Ahl Al-Kitaab’. So they wrote to him (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) they rejected and denied that, (they said) ‘You claim that you cannot take al-jizyah except from the Ahl Al-Kitaab, then you take al-jizyah from the majoos who have done hijrah (migrated)’ So the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) to them, ‘The majoos had a Prophet, they killed him, and they burned the book. Their prophet brought them a book (made) from 12,000 skins of bulls’

 

  • Source:
  • Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 3, pg. 567-568, hadeeth # 4
    Grading:
  • Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Majhool-Mursal (Unknown & Disconnected)
    --> Mir'aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 16, pg. 121
  •  

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234987283-shiah-hadiths-on-al-majus/

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3 hours ago, Sumerian said:

This guy on the internet was posting majoosi traditions so it made me want to give this thread a bump.

If you want to talk about the only true religion of that time, yes it was hanafiyyah . Zoroastrians believe in existence of one god (and not association of any other one to him)  that’s why for god just that was enough for naming them among ahlulketab.

maybe the book that god had given to them like torah for jews,was changed during the time no one knows.

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6 hours ago, Arminmo said:

If you want to talk about the only true religion of that time, yes it was hanifiyya . Zoroastrians believe in existence of one god (and not association of any other one to him)  that’s why for god just that was enough for naming them among ahlulketab.

maybe the book that god had given to them like torah for jews,was changed during the time no one knows.

The AVESTA was book of Zoroastrians that burned & demolished by wars & was rewritten by Zoroastrian scholars like Bible the believing in existence of Satan in Judaism comes from Zoroastrian belief & also make its effect to current Christianity through Judaism.

 

 

 

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=2456s&v=Vy4EtELpBg8

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Wait so you reposted a post as a thread? What was the purpose of this? I don't get it..there is like 5 majoosis left. Technically its a dead and forgotten religion that noone cares about anymore.

But if the thread was meant as to expose the bad of some race over another they should have included arabs burrying their girls alive and treating slaves and woman like garbage. So i don't really understand the purpose of this.

Unless the purpose was to say Islam came and removed garbage from all races and tribes, then this hadith needs some explaination.

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On 21/12/2017 at 11:20 AM, Sumerian said:

 

Thoughts: this exposed the false religion of the majoos and the dirty actions that they would do, and it is sad that some believers would participate in majoosi events.

Do you mean this? I don't know and i'm not judging but i want to know if this is what you meant.

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1 hour ago, repenter said:

Wait so you reposted a post as a thread? What was the purpose of this? I don't get it..there is like 5 majoosis left. Technically its a dead and forgotten religion that noone cares about anymore.

But if the thread was meant as to expose the bad of some race over another they should have included arabs burrying their girls alive and treating slaves and woman like garbage. So i don't really understand the purpose of this.

Unless the purpose was to say Islam came and removed garbage from all races and tribes, then this hadith needs some explaination.

I was on social media and I saw some Shia (they weren't event Iranian, they were Arab) celebrating the ways of the majoos and their traditions. It came in the form of posting pictures of the fire and dancing rituals, and so it motivated me to expose this religion.

Has nothing to do with race, if it did the title would be "Persians exposed" or "Iranians exposed". The act of burying babies was a pagan tradition, not something to do with being Arab, as the Arabs had believers among them before the Prophet announced his risala. Just as how majoosism has nothing to do with being Iranian or Persian, it was just the false religion that was being followed by them. 

The purpose was to increase bara'ah from false religions and their bid'ahs.

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4 hours ago, Sumerian said:

I was on social media and I saw some Shia (they weren't event Iranian, they were Arab) celebrating the ways of the majoos and their traditions. It came in the form of posting pictures of the fire and dancing rituals, and so it motivated me to expose this religion.

Has nothing to do with race, if it did the title would be "Persians exposed" or "Iranians exposed". The act of burying babies was a pagan tradition, not something to do with being Arab, as the Arabs had believers among them before the Prophet announced his risala. Just as how majoosism has nothing to do with being Iranian or Persian, it was just the false religion that was being followed by them. 

The purpose was to increase bara'ah from false religions and their bid'ahs.

Salam @Sumerian  it seems that you under influence of Anti Majoos propaganda of Wahabists on Social media that they call everything from Shia Islam & muslims as Majoos/Jewish inventions & Bid'ahs if it will be true it's as a resistance against Wahbists culture that insiting on Pan-Arabisation & call it as True Islam against that Ahlulbayts (as) make difference between pagans & Majoos althought they advised us do not mimic their actions &  just  following their true way.

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23 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam it seems that you under influence of Anti Majoos propaganda of Wahabists on Social media that they call everything from Shia muslims as Majoos/Jewish inventions & bid'ahs if it will be true it's as a resistance against Wahbists culture that insiting on Pan-Arabisation & call it as True Islam against that Ahlulbayt (as) make difference between pagans & Majoos althought they advised us do not mimic their actions by following their true way.

Na...he explained himself. No need to assume stuff. His explaination was sufficient.

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27 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam @Sumerian  it seems that you under influence of Anti Majoos propaganda of Wahabists on Social media that they call everything from Shia Islam & muslims as Majoos/Jewish inventions & Bid'ahs if it will be true it's as a resistance against Wahbists culture that insiting on Pan-Arabisation & call it as True Islam against that Ahlulbayts (as) make difference between pagans & Majoos althought they advised us do not mimic their actions &  just  following their true way.

I'm talking about majoos (zoroastrians) not about Shi'a. How can I say Shi'a are majoos when I am Shi'a myself?

I don't care about Wahabists, may Allah curse them. They are worse than majoos and pagans combined.

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:bismillah:

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/29/2/6

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/13/46/4

any way it's a sensitive post and we must be more humble with each other its better to expose Wahabism & Zionism instead of arguing about this article. :NH::censored:  

:salam:

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Ali Bin Muhammad, from Ahmad Bin Abu Abdullah, from Usman Bin Isa, fromMuyassar who said the following:

'I came up to Abu AbdullahASWS. HeASWS said: 'How are your companions?' So I said,
'May I be sacrificed for youASWS, we (Shiites) are more evil in the people's eyes than
the Jews, and the Christians, and the Magians, and those who associate
(Mushriqeen)'. He (the narrator) said, 'HeASWS had been leaning upon a pillow, so
heASWS sat up straight, then said: 'How did you say that which you said?' I said, 'By
AllahAZWJ, we (Shiites) are (considered to be) the most evil ones among them, more
so than the Jews and the Christians, and the Magians, and those that associate
(Mushriqeen)'.
HeASWS said: 'But, by AllahAZWJ, no two of you will enter the Fire. No, by AllahAZWJ, not
even one. By AllahAZWJ, you (Shiites) are the ones about whom AllahAZWJ Mighty and
Majestic has Said: "[38:62] And they shall say: What is the matter with us that
we do not see men whom we used to count among the evil? [38:63] Was it that
we (only) took them in scorn, or have our eyes (now) turned aside from them?
[38:64] That most surely is the truth: the contending one with another of the
inmates of the fire". Then heASWS said: 'By AllahAZWJ, they will be seeking you in the
Fire, so they will not find even one of you therein'.

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/36/13/2

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37 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Ali Bin Muhammad, from Ahmad Bin Abu Abdullah, from Usman Bin Isa, fromMuyassar who said the following:

'I came up to Abu AbdullahASWS. HeASWS said: 'How are your companions?' So I said,
'May I be sacrificed for youASWS, we (Shiites) are more evil in the people's eyes than
the Jews, and the Christians, and the Magians, and those who associate
(Mushriqeen)'. He (the narrator) said, 'HeASWS had been leaning upon a pillow, so
heASWS sat up straight, then said: 'How did you say that which you said?' I said, 'By
AllahAZWJ, we (Shiites) are (considered to be) the most evil ones among them, more
so than the Jews and the Christians, and the Magians, and those that associate
(Mushriqeen)'.
HeASWS said: 'But, by AllahAZWJ, no two of you will enter the Fire. No, by AllahAZWJ, not
even one. By AllahAZWJ, you (Shiites) are the ones about whom AllahAZWJ Mighty and
Majestic has Said: "[38:62] And they shall say: What is the matter with us that
we do not see men whom we used to count among the evil? [38:63] Was it that
we (only) took them in scorn, or have our eyes (now) turned aside from them?
[38:64] That most surely is the truth: the contending one with another of the
inmates of the fire". Then heASWS said: 'By AllahAZWJ, they will be seeking you in the
Fire, so they will not find even one of you therein'.

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/36/13/2

٣٢ ـ علي بن محمد ، عن أحمد بن أبي عبد الله ، عن عثمان بن عيسى ، عن ميسر قال دخلت على أبي عبد الله عليه‌السلام فقال كيف أصحابك فقلت جعلت فداك لنحن عندهم أشر من اليهود والنصارى والمجوس والذين أشركوا قال وكان متكئا فاستوى جالسا ثم قال كيف قلت قلت والله لنحن عندهم أشر من اليهود والنصارى والمجوس والذين أشركوا فقال أما والله لا تدخل النار منكم اثنان لا والله ولا واحد والله إنكم الذين قال الله عز وجل : « وَقالُوا ما لَنا لا نَرى رِجالاً كُنَّا نَعُدُّهُمْ مِنَ الْأَشْرارِ أَتَّخَذْناهُمْ سِخْرِيًّا أَمْ زاغَتْ عَنْهُمُ الْأَبْصارُ إِنَّ ذلِكَ لَحَقٌّ تَخاصُمُ أَهْلِ النَّارِ » (١) ثم قال طلبوكم والله في النار فما وجدوا منكم أحدا

الحديث الثاني والثلاثون : موثق على الظاهر ، وقد مر (٤) تفسيره في خبر أبي بصير.

 

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On 02/01/2018 at 7:57 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Ali Bin Muhammad, from Ahmad Bin Abu Abdullah, from Usman Bin Isa, fromMuyassar who said the following:

'I came up to Abu AbdullahASWS. HeASWS said: 'How are your companions?' So I said,
'May I be sacrificed for youASWS, we (Shiites) are more evil in the people's eyes than
the Jews, and the Christians, and the Magians, and those who associate
(Mushriqeen)'. He (the narrator) said, 'HeASWS had been leaning upon a pillow, so
heASWS sat up straight, then said: 'How did you say that which you said?' I said, 'By
AllahAZWJ, we (Shiites) are (considered to be) the most evil ones among them, more
so than the Jews and the Christians, and the Magians, and those that associate
(Mushriqeen)'.
HeASWS said: 'But, by AllahAZWJ, no two of you will enter the Fire. No, by AllahAZWJ, not
even one. By AllahAZWJ, you (Shiites) are the ones about whom AllahAZWJ Mighty and
Majestic has Said: "[38:62] And they shall say: What is the matter with us that
we do not see men whom we used to count among the evil? [38:63] Was it that
we (only) took them in scorn, or have our eyes (now) turned aside from them?
[38:64] That most surely is the truth: the contending one with another of the
inmates of the fire". Then heASWS said: 'By AllahAZWJ, they will be seeking you in the
Fire, so they will not find even one of you therein'.

http://www.fourshiabooks.com/hadith/al-kafi/36/13/2

Consider buying al-Kafi Volume 8, Muhammad Sarwar translation. It is better than the Volume 8 transition uploaded onto that website. I have a personal copy i might type up if i get time - ever.

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