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Salaam Aleikum,

Let say there is period of time where a born Muslim live in west and have no idea of anything about God, Islam, Prayer, Islamic laws and the person lives only according his desires and have ignorance about the matters of Islam. If the person realize God, and realize Islam and start to practice Islam, will the past sins be all forgiven? 

Second, what happens to the Salaat and Fasting of that time, does it need to do Qada?

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2 hours ago, Dhulfikar said:

Salaam Aleikum,

Let say there is period of time where a born Muslim live in west and have no idea of anything about God, Islam, Prayer, Islamic laws and the person lives only according his desires and have ignorance about the matters of Islam. If the person realize God, and realize Islam and start to practice Islam, will the past sins be all forgiven? 

Second, what happens to the Salaat and Fasting of that time, does it need to do Qada?

Wa aleykumsalaam,

Here is what our Aimmah has to say on this regard.

1 - محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن محبوب، عن جميل بن صالح، عن أبي عبيدة، عن أبي جعفر (عليه السلام) قال: إن ناسا أتوا رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) بعد ما أسلموا فقالوا: يا رسول الله أيؤخذ الرجل منا بما كان عمل في الجاهلية بعد إسلامه؟ فقال لهم رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله): من حسن إسلامه وصح يقين إيمانه لم يأخذه الله تبارك وتعالى بما عمل في الجاهلية ومن سخف إسلامه ولم يصح يقين إيمانه أخذه الله تبارك وتعالى بالأول والآخر.

Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from ibn Mahbub from Jamil ibn Salih from abu ‘Ubaydah from abu Ja’far(as), who has said the following:

“Certain people came to the Messenger of Allah after accepting Islam and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, will any of us, after accepting Islam, be held responsible for what he had done in the time of ignorance?’ The Messenger of Allah said, ‘Whoever is good in his Islam and corrects the certainty of his belief is not held responsible for his acts in the time of ignorance in the judgment of Allah, the Most Blessed, the Most High. Whoever’s Islam is nonsense and has not corrected the certainty of his belief will be held responsible in the judgment of Allah, the Most Blessed, the Most High, for his past and later deeds.’”

Source:

  • al-Kafi by Shaykh Kulayni, Vol 2, Pg 461, H 1. 
  • Al-Mahaasin by Shaykh al-Barqi, Vol 1, Pg 250, H 264.

Grading:

  • Allamah Majlisi said hadeeth is "Saheeh" (Authentic) in his Mirat ul Uqool, Vol 11, Pg 383.
  • Shaykh Bahbudi also grades this hadeeth as "Saheeh" (Authentic) in his Saheeh al-Kafi, Vol 1, Pg 132.

 

2 - علي بن إبر هيم، عن أبيه، عن القاسم بن محمد الجوهري، عن المنقري، عن فضيل بن عياض قال: سألت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام)، عن الرجل يحسن في الاسلام أيؤاخذ بما عمل في الجاهلية؟ فقال: قال النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله): من أحسن في الاسلام لم يؤاخذ بما عمل في الجاهلية ومن أساء في الاسلام اخذ بالأول والآخر.

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from al-Qasim ibn Muhammad al- Jawhari from al-Minqari from Fudayl ibn al-‘Iyad who has said the following:

“Once I asked abu ‘Abd Allah(as), ‘Will a man who is good in Islam be held responsible for his deeds in the time of ignorance?’ The Imam said, ‘The Holy Prophet has said, “Whoever is good in Islam will not be held responsible for his deeds in the times of ignorance and anyone who is not good in Islam will be held responsible for his acts of the past and those thereafter.’”

Source:

  • al-Kafi by Shaykh Kulayni, Vol 2, Pg 461, H 2. 

Wa aleykumsalaam

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11 minutes ago, Aquib Rizvi said:

Wa aleykumsalaam,

Here is what our Aimmah has to say on this regard.

1 - محمد بن يحيى، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن محبوب، عن جميل بن صالح، عن أبي عبيدة، عن أبي جعفر (عليه السلام) قال: إن ناسا أتوا رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) بعد ما أسلموا فقالوا: يا رسول الله أيؤخذ الرجل منا بما كان عمل في الجاهلية بعد إسلامه؟ فقال لهم رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله): من حسن إسلامه وصح يقين إيمانه لم يأخذه الله تبارك وتعالى بما عمل في الجاهلية ومن سخف إسلامه ولم يصح يقين إيمانه أخذه الله تبارك وتعالى بالأول والآخر.

Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from ibn Mahbub from Jamil ibn Salih from abu ‘Ubaydah from abu Ja’far(as), who has said the following:

“Certain people came to the Messenger of Allah after accepting Islam and said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, will any of us, after accepting Islam, be held responsible for what he had done in the time of ignorance?’ The Messenger of Allah said, ‘Whoever is good in his Islam and corrects the certainty of his belief is not held responsible for his acts in the time of ignorance in the judgment of Allah, the Most Blessed, the Most High. Whoever’s Islam is nonsense and has not corrected the certainty of his belief will be held responsible in the judgment of Allah, the Most Blessed, the Most High, for his past and later deeds.’”

Source:

  • al-Kafi by Shaykh Kulayni, Vol 2, Pg 461, H 1. 
  • Al-Mahaasin by Shaykh al-Barqi, Vol 1, Pg 250, H 264.

Grading:

  • Allamah Majlisi said hadeeth is "Saheeh" (Authentic) in his Mirat ul Uqool, Vol 11, Pg 383.
  • Shaykh Bahbudi also grades this hadeeth as "Saheeh" (Authentic) in his Saheeh al-Kafi, Vol 1, Pg 132.

 

2 - علي بن إبر هيم، عن أبيه، عن القاسم بن محمد الجوهري، عن المنقري، عن فضيل بن عياض قال: سألت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام)، عن الرجل يحسن في الاسلام أيؤاخذ بما عمل في الجاهلية؟ فقال: قال النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله): من أحسن في الاسلام لم يؤاخذ بما عمل في الجاهلية ومن أساء في الاسلام اخذ بالأول والآخر.

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from al-Qasim ibn Muhammad al- Jawhari from al-Minqari from Fudayl ibn al-‘Iyad who has said the following:

“Once I asked abu ‘Abd Allah(as), ‘Will a man who is good in Islam be held responsible for his deeds in the time of ignorance?’ The Imam said, ‘The Holy Prophet has said, “Whoever is good in Islam will not be held responsible for his deeds in the times of ignorance and anyone who is not good in Islam will be held responsible for his acts of the past and those thereafter.’”

Source:

  • al-Kafi by Shaykh Kulayni, Vol 2, Pg 461, H 2. 

Wa aleykumsalaam

What for a person who was born in a Muslim family but was not religious and very ignorant about his deen and later realized the truth and came completely into Islam?

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7 minutes ago, Waseem162 said:

What for a person who was born in a Muslim family but was not religious and very ignorant about his deen and later realized the truth and came completely into Islam?

Assalaamualeykum,

This is what Imam says:

1 - علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن محبوب وغيره، عن العلاء بن رزين عن محمد بن مسلم، عن أبي جعفر (عليه السلام) قال: من كان مؤمنا فعمل خيرا في إيمانه ثم أصابته فتنه فكفر ثم تاب بعد كفره كتب له وحسب بكل شئ كان عمله في إيمانه ولا يبطله الكفر إذا تاب بعد كفره.

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn Mahbub and others from al-‘Ala’ ibn Razin from Muhammad ibn Muslim from abu Ja’far(as), who has said the following: 

“One who has been a believer and had performed good deeds then suffers a misfortune and turns to disbelief, then after disbelief repents, all of the good deeds that he had performed as a believer will be written down for him. Disbelief does not invalidate them if he repents after his disbelief.”

Source:

  • al-Kafi by Shaykh Kulayni, Vol 2, Pg 461, H 1(2). 

Grading:

  • Allamah Majlisi said hadeeth is "Hasan Kal-Saheeh" (Good like Authentic) in his Mirat ul Uqool, Vol 11, Pg 385.
  • Shaykh Bahbudi grades this hadeeth as "Saheeh" (Authentic) in his Saheeh al-Kafi, Vol 1, Pg 133.

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1 hour ago, Aquib Rizvi said:

Assalaamualeykum,

This is what Imam says:

1 - علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن محبوب وغيره، عن العلاء بن رزين عن محمد بن مسلم، عن أبي جعفر (عليه السلام) قال: من كان مؤمنا فعمل خيرا في إيمانه ثم أصابته فتنه فكفر ثم تاب بعد كفره كتب له وحسب بكل شئ كان عمله في إيمانه ولا يبطله الكفر إذا تاب بعد كفره.

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn Mahbub and others from al-‘Ala’ ibn Razin from Muhammad ibn Muslim from abu Ja’far(as), who has said the following: 

“One who has been a believer and had performed good deeds then suffers a misfortune and turns to disbelief, then after disbelief repents, all of the good deeds that he had performed as a believer will be written down for him. Disbelief does not invalidate them if he repents after his disbelief.”

Source:

  • al-Kafi by Shaykh Kulayni, Vol 2, Pg 461, H 1(2). 

Grading:

  • Allamah Majlisi said hadeeth is "Hasan Kal-Saheeh" (Good like Authentic) in his Mirat ul Uqool, Vol 11, Pg 385.
  • Shaykh Bahbudi grades this hadeeth as "Saheeh" (Authentic) in his Saheeh al-Kafi, Vol 1, Pg 133.

My question was - "If someone is Born in a Muslim Family but doesn't pays attention to his deen and later for example at 20 Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى opens his heart because his parents prayed for him and then he started to follow Islam strictly. Then the earlier sins he committed when he din't accepted Islam truly will be written?" 

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@Waseem162

This is what I was told when I posed that question, to Shia Sheiks&Marjih.

See I missed out on my salat (obligatory prayers) during my youth, because I didn't know it's importance, All I kept reading about was, its about the nearness to Allah, and many of them regarding (grave punishment), (sadly mine is graver than sins according to Ulama) regarding your question, if you were born into Muslim family, raised as a Muslim, then you will be asked, (put on trial) when you committed those sins, did you know it was wrong?

Simple math.

You'll be asked for what you did during your youth, did you have the opportunity to look for answers? Did you fill the gaps (doubts you had, or questions you had), and why did you commit those actions (sins)

unless you were a disbeliever in God and his religion, then was guided (turned to islam), then by His mercy, you sought guidance and you found 'it' then it's what the poster above @Aquib Rizvi said.

But the other case, if you were born into Islam, but you  lacked some knowledge, then: No excuses is tolerated in the face of haq (حق). You'll be asked for those sins, but you mustn't forget the mercy of God.

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5 hours ago, Waseem162 said:

My question was - "If someone is Born in a Muslim Family but doesn't pays attention to his deen and later for example at 20 Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى opens his heart because his parents prayed for him and then he started to follow Islam strictly. Then the earlier sins he committed when he din't accepted Islam truly will be written?" 

I hope this is not Qiyas, but the two hadiths are actually very clear. Repenting is the only way.

Imagine a born muslims who all of his live follow his desires and are not interested in religion and dies, it does not make any sense that his sins are not counted. That's why when we return back to Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى and repent our sins and never do them, then Allah سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى surely by his Mercy accept it, and that is clear in two hadiths!

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Imam al-Baqir [a] said,
"There are two safeguards from the punishment of Allah in the Earth. He has uplifted one, so you only have the other, so grasp onto it. As for the safeguard that He has raised, it is the Messenger of Allah [saws]. As for the safeguard that has remained, it is repentance (istighfar). Allah says, 'But Allah would not punish them while you are among them, and Allah would not punish them while they seek forgiveness.' (8:33)"
82 - في نهج البلاغة وحكى أبو جعفر محمد بن علي الباقر عليهما السلام انه صلى الله عليه وآله قال: كان في الأرض أمانان من عذاب الله سبحانه، فرفع أحدهما فدونكم الآخر فتمسكوا به، اما الأمان الذي رفع فهو رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله واما الأمان الباقي فالاستغفار، قال الله جل من قائل: " وما كان الله ليعذبهم وأنت فيهم وما كان الله معذبهم وهم يستغفرون ".

(Nahj al-Balagha)

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