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Ibn Taymiyyah: Possible for Allah to be physical

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'Shayk ul Islam' Ibn Taymiyyah is followed by adherents of the 'Salafiyyah' [following the first three generations] The irony in this is that they rebuke the Hanafi's, Maliki's and Shafi's for preforming taqleed in fiqh issues yet blindly follow Ibn Taymiyyah in Aqeedah. 

"It is well-known that there is no report from any of the Prophets or from the Sahaabah or from the Taabi‘een or from any of the early generations of the ummah to suggest that Allah is a physical entity or that He is not a physical entity. Rather denying or affirming that is an innovation according to Islam. End quote.|  Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (5/434)  [ Ibn Taymiyyiah]

His lack of denial is pretty much a confirmation of his in the possibility of the almighty to be physical. He and his Muqalids do not represent the Ahlul-Sunnati Wal J'amaah defended by the Ashari and Matruidi. 

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3 hours ago, Uthman bin Madhun said:

'Shayk ul Islam' Ibn Taymiyyah is followed by adherents of the 'Salafiyyah' [following the first three generations] The irony in this is that they rebuke the Hanafi's, Maliki's and Shafi's for preforming taqleed in fiqh issues yet blindly follow Ibn Taymiyyah in Aqeedah. 

"It is well-known that there is no report from any of the Prophets or from the Sahaabah or from the Taabi‘een or from any of the early generations of the ummah to suggest that Allah is a physical entity or that He is not a physical entity. Rather denying or affirming that is an innovation according to Islam. End quote.|  Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (5/434)  [ Ibn Taymiyyiah]

His lack of denial is pretty much a confirmation of his in the possibility of the almighty to be physical. He and his Muqalids do not represent the Ahlul-Sunnati Wal J'amaah defended by the Ashari and Matruidi. 

I think Ibn Taymiyyah was on drugs. The Qur'an denies that Allah have a body - (2:115) The East and the West, all belong to Allah: you will face Allah in whichsoever direction you turn your face: Allah is All-Embracing and All-Knowing.
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This verse explain how Allah is not restricted to a space and time. Giving a body to Allah is restricting Him to a place, space and time. Because logically every mass occupy a space and a mass is essentially a body which is restricted to it's place.

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The eminent scholar Ahmad ibn Hanbal (780-855), who founded one of the main schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence, was jailed and once flogged unconscious in a dispute with the Abbasid caliph in Baghdad. Nearly five centuries later, another supreme theologian of the same strict orthodox school, Ibn Taymiyya, died in prison in Damascus.

These two men are seen as the spiritual forefathers of later thinkers and movements which became known as "salafist", advocating a return to the ways of the first Muslim ancestors, the salaf al-salih (righteous ancestors).

They inspired a later figure whose thinking and writings were to have a huge and continuing impact on the region and on the salafist movement, one form of which, Wahhabism, took his name.

Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab was born in 1703 in a small village in the Nejd region in the middle of the Arabian peninsula.

A devout Islamic scholar, he espoused and developed the most puritanical and strict version of what he saw as the original faith, and sought to spread it by entering pacts with the holders of political and military power.

In an early foray in that direction, his first action was to destroy the tomb of Zayd ibn al-Khattab, one of the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad, on the grounds that by the austere doctrine of salafist theology, the veneration of tombs constitutes shirk, the revering of something or someone other than Allah.

But it was in 1744 that Abd al-Wahhab made his crucial alliance with the local ruler, Muhammad ibn Saud. It was a pact whereby Wahhabism provided the spiritual or ideological dimension for Saudi political and military expansion, to the benefit of both.

Passing through several mutations, that dual alliance took over most of the peninsula and has endured to this day, with the House of Saud ruling in sometimes uneasy concert with an ultra-conservative Wahhabi religious establishment.

The entrenchment of Wahhabi salafism in Saudi Arabia - and the billions of petrodollars to which it gained access - provided one of the wellsprings for jihadist militancy in the region in modern times. Jihad means struggle on the path of Allah, which can mean many kinds of personal struggle, but more often is taken to mean waging holy war.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35695648

How to demolish Islam from within

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235035658-psychological-warfare-on-the-internet/?tab=comments#comment-3085337

Dimension which are highlited above need to be explored in these issues. Why/What/How these movements originated. who supported them, who benefited form it, and marketed their ideas and for what reason. If we look at  what is going on in the present, we can understand same variable were at work in the past geopolitical, socieconomic, power struggle, Powerful will use these religious figures to legitimize their rule/control.  there is always a sinister relationship between the elites(power and religion). In secular societies where the Religion is Money,  elites are in bed with the central bankers. Paint a rosy picture of the economy, keep the current government in power.

Throwaway mentality, Political figures/government heads are used and promoted for a while, and their services are not warranted they are  disposed off. or imprisoned. Look around how many governments were used to do the job, and later they were branded as "Bad" and taken down. Same is true  for these 'Religious" figures, once their magic is utilized they need to be disposed off, because Elite, can't stand anyone else gaining the same popularity.,or new government does not see their use, new ideology needs to be supported, they find new religious figures to support, push aside others who are now of little use.

Later generation, use these tools in their tool belt. They resurrect the ones(Religious figures/ideology) who fit the bill for today's agenda and start marketing them, and supporting their ideology. Rinse and repeat cycle. 

 

Edited by S.M.H.A.

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5 hours ago, Uthman bin Madhun said:

'Shayk ul Islam' Ibn Taymiyyah is followed by adherents of the 'Salafiyyah' [following the first three generations] The irony in this is that they rebuke the Hanafi's, Maliki's and Shafi's for preforming taqleed in fiqh issues yet blindly follow Ibn Taymiyyah in Aqeedah. 

"It is well-known that there is no report from any of the Prophets or from the Sahaabah or from the Taabi‘een or from any of the early generations of the ummah to suggest that Allah is a physical entity or that He is not a physical entity. Rather denying or affirming that is an innovation according to Islam. End quote.|  Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (5/434)  [ Ibn Taymiyyiah]

His lack of denial is pretty much a confirmation of his in the possibility of the almighty to be physical. He and his Muqalids do not represent the Ahlul-Sunnati Wal J'amaah defended by the Ashari and Matruidi. 

Read above post, to get the background on the rise of these ideologies. Once you recognize the reality. Technical stuff, is just to confuse lay people. Watch out of ideologies, which will try to slowly peel the onion till its at its bare core and its easy to destroy it.

There are 14 impenetrable fire walls defending Tawheed. 

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16 hours ago, S.M.H.A. said:

Read above post, to get the background on the rise of these ideologies. Once you recognize the reality. Technical stuff, is just to confuse lay people. Watch out of ideologies, which will try to slowly peel the onion till its at its bare core and its easy to destroy it.

There are 14 impenetrable fire walls defending Tawheed. 

Well said. 

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"It is well-known that there is no report from any of the Prophets or from the Sahaabah or from the Taabi‘een or from any of the early generations of the ummah to suggest that Allah is a physical entity or that He is not a physical entity. Rather denying or affirming that is an innovation according to Islam. End quote.|  Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (5/434)  [ Ibn Taymiyyiah]

He particularly called most of the Muslims Kafirs because they believe in "Innovation". Sunnis, do something, take off Ibn Taymiyyiah books from your Masjid, Libraries and Shops.

Edited by Dhulfikar

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13 hours ago, Dhulfikar said:

He particularly called most of the Muslims Kafirs because they believe in "Innovation". Sunnis, do something, take off Ibn Taymiyyiah books from your Masjid, Libraries and Shops.

Alhamdullilah Egypt have set a great example: 

https://muslimvillage.com/2015/06/28/83307/egypt-bans-salafi-books-from-mosques/

Ibn Taymiyyah according to the Barelvi's who constitute about a third of the total number of Sunni's today generally say they do not make outright Takfir on him because he contradicted himself. Large groups do though. He is followed by the modern Salafi movement, and those in Saudi Arabia as well as Somalia, and parts of the west. If you strike him and show his ignorance and total deviance in the most fundamental aspect of Aqeedah, you take out the entire Salafi establishment who go around calling others deviants and inciting hatred.

I am actually reading a few Aqai'd books of the Salafi's and works by Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Uthaymeen. If Allah so wills i will write a rebuttal and quote some of the alarming things he writes in that book. 

If anyone wants to take a look, here they are:
Sharh Aqeedah Al Wasitiyah [Ibn Taymiyyah on Attributes]: https://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Sharh Al-Aqeedat-il-Wasitiyah.pdf

Explanation of Aqeedatul Hamawiyyah - Ibn Uthaymeen: https://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Explanation_of_a_Summary_of_Aqeedat_Hamawiyyah.pdf

I have recently observed Shia youtube channels and Shia's in general ensuring the first thing they use when abused by the Salafi's is the doctrine of Tawheed. I must say, i wish we had done it sooner, because we can not lose. They might call us 'jamiyyah' and 'rationalists' and 'deniers of the attributes of God'. These are all knee-jerk defence mechanisms when one must throw labels and slanders. Their blind adherence to what is clearly incorrect reminds me of what i have seen among trinitarians. 

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