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Just now, Faruk said:

Salam,

In sunnism there are diffirent readings of al-Quran. The most known are Hafs and Warsh.

Which reading do Twelvers use?

I use English :D. 

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Two readings were reported from 'Asim: The famous one is Hafs, the other one is Shu'ba. Hafs was 'Asim's step-son and it is believed that he didn't differ from him in his reading of the Quran. 'Asim also retained the reading of his teacher Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami and it reported that the latter had read the Quran out to the Commander of the Believers, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib. The case can therefore be made that the reading of Hafs is exactly the same as the reading of 'Ali which he inherited from the Prophet to the very last dot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira'at

 

Examples of readings from Ḥafs and Warsh[edit]

 

رواية ورش عن نافع رواية حفص عن عاصم Ḥafs Warsh  
يَعْمَلُونَ تَعْمَلُونَ you do they do Al-Baqara 2:85
مَا تَنَزَّلُ مَا نُنَزِّلُ we do not send down... they do not come down... Al-Ḥijr 15:8
قُل قَالَ he said say! Al-Anbiyā' 21:4
كَثِيرًا كَبِيرًا mighty multitudinous Al-Aḥzāb 33:68
بِمَا فَبِمَا then it is what it is what Al-Shura 42:30
نُدْخِلْهُ يُدْخِلْهُ he makes him enter we make him enter Al-Fatḥ 48:17
Edited by Ashvazdanghe

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21 hours ago, Faruk said:

We're talking about the Quran bro'. Not about a Marvel comic.

well i don't understand arabic so whats the point  of reading it in arabic? 

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On ‎7‎-‎11‎-‎2017 at 7:25 PM, Ron_Burgundy said:

well i don't understand arabic so whats the point  of reading it in arabic? 

If so then what's the point in you participating in this topic anyway?

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Reading in Arabic  make muslims unite because all of them will use same language if just want rely on translation there will be more separation between muslims I know learning of it at first is difficult but nowadays everybody has access to many sources for learning of basis of Arabic Language if you just learn basis of it it will very helpful for everyone

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On ‎7‎-‎11‎-‎2017 at 10:32 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Two readings were reported from 'Asim: The famous one is Hafs, the other one is Shu'ba. Hafs was 'Asim's step-son and it is believed that he didn't differ from him in his reading of the Quran. 'Asim also retained the reading of his teacher Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami and it reported that the latter had read the Quran out to the Commander of the Believers, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib. The case can therefore be made that the reading of Hafs is exactly the same as the reading of 'Ali which he inherited from the Prophet to the very last dot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qira'at

 

Examples of readings from Ḥafs and Warsh[edit]

 

رواية ورش عن نافع رواية حفص عن عاصم Ḥafs Warsh  
يَعْمَلُونَ تَعْمَلُونَ you do they do Al-Baqara 2:85
مَا تَنَزَّلُ مَا نُنَزِّلُ we do not send down... they do not come down... Al-Ḥijr 15:8
قُل قَالَ he said say! Al-Anbiyā' 21:4
كَثِيرًا كَبِيرًا mighty multitudinous Al-Aḥzāb 33:68
بِمَا فَبِمَا then it is what it is what Al-Shura 42:30
نُدْخِلْهُ يُدْخِلْهُ he makes him enter we make him enter Al-Fatḥ 48:17

Do you have the source of the text in bold?

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From him came two readings called as-Sûsi and ad-Dûrî.

Qirâʾa from Basrah: From Basrah, the reading known as Yaʿqûb Ibn Ishâq al-Hadramî the companion of Shuʿbah (again). He reported from Abû ʿAmr and others.[18]

Qirâ'a from Kûfah:The reading of ʿĀsim Ibn Abî an-Najûd (ʿAasim Ibn Bahdalah Ibn Abî an-Najûd): He died in 127 or 128 H. He reported from Abû ʿAbd ar-Raḥmân as-Solammî and Zirr Ibn Hubaysh. Abû ʿAbd ar-Rahmân reported from ʿUthmân and ʿAlî Ibn Abî Tâlib and 'Ubayy (Ibn Kacb) and Zayd (Ibn Thâbit). And Zirr reported from Ibn Masʿud.

Two readings were reported from 'Asim: The famous one is Hafs, the other one is Shu'ba. Hafs was 'Asim's step-son and it is believed that he didn't differ from him in his reading of the Quran. 'Asim also retained the reading of his teacher Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami and it reported that the latter had read the Quran out to the Commander of the Believers, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib. The case can therefore be made that the reading of Hafs is exactly the same as the reading of 'Ali which he inherited from the Prophet to the very last dot.[12]

12  New Light on the Collection and Authenticity of the Qur'an: The Case for the Existence of a Master Copy and how it Relates to the Reading of Hafs ibn Sulayman from 'Asim ibn Abi al-Nujud, By Ahmed El-Wakil: [1][2]

1:https://muse.jhu.edu/article/612401

2:http://www.academia.edu/23738223/New_Light_on_the_Collection_and_Authenticity_of_the_Quran_The_Case_for_the_Existence_of_a_Master_Copy_and_how_it_Relates_to_the_Reading_of_Hafs_ibn_Sulayman_from_Asim_ibn_Abi_al_Nujud

2: 2/41 pageno 409,..

Edited by Ashvazdanghe

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I had no possibility to verify it yet but I read somewhere that the warsh version do not consider the Basmallah to be a part of al-Fatiha.

Is there anyone who can comfirm/dismiss this claim?

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16 hours ago, AnotherShepherd said:

Salaat and listening to recitation. 

Well i do offer salah and i prefer to read or listen to quran in english, because quran is here for so we could learn from it. its food for our mind. I know many people who read it arabic but they have no clue what they are reading. 

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13 hours ago, Ron_Burgundy said:

Well i do offer salah and i prefer to read or listen to quran in english, because quran is here for so we could learn from it. its food for our mind. I know many people who read it arabic but they have no clue what they are reading. 

That's why learning and learning to understand Arabic as well is so important.

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I think Twelvers don't know much about Qirats for some weird reason... They just read whatever Qirat is available to them and sometimes no Qirat at all and never bothered to learn about Qirats... If you ask them which is the most authentic Qirat recited by Imam Ali or the Ahl Al Bayt they stumble.

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Hafs and Warsh is the most common form of recitation in the Muslim world. Even Wahhabis use it... And you can find it at every corner.. If Twelvers think this is the most authentic Qirat it shows that their school never really cared about it.

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