why can't shia men marry from, people of the book

[father 85]

why shia can't marry from people of the book when holy quran says:

Verse 5:5 "This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good)."

[starlight 8,606]

1 hour ago, SalmanK said:

So you can do Mut`a for a long period that shall cover your life like 90 years. Or prolong it every year since it won't make any difference for the non-Muslim wife.

Is there any problem with that? Just asking.

Yes, one can do that. 

[mohammad nadeem 76]

If we marry outside who will marry shia girls? 

[The Daredevil 1]

For instace, if you marry a christian woman for example, and when you have kids you fail to set them on the right path what will you do then?

All the sin will be upon you

[kirtc 1,019]

who said they cant? they can

[starlight 8,606]

46 minutes ago, kirtc said:

who said they cant? they can

Only temporarily (according to Sistani)

[Hassan- 3,030]

1 hour ago, kirtc said:

who said they cant? they can

According to many maraji' (Imam Khamenei and Sayed Sistani one of them) men cannot marry non-muslims permanently. For Sayed Sistani, it is impermissible to marry a non-muslim in mut'a if the man is already married to a muslim women.

[kirtc 1,019]

18 minutes ago, starlight said:

Only temporarily (according to Sistani)

thanks

[yusur317 406]

16 minutes ago, starlight said:

Only temporarily (according to Sistani)

You can't prohibit what God made lawful...? You sure he didn't just mean it's more favourable to marry a muslim woman? 

1 hour ago, The Daredevil said:

For instace, if you marry a christian woman for example, and when you have kids you fail to set them on the right path what will you do then?

All the sin will be upon you

So is it haram to marry a sunni or sufi woman? That justification doesn't work. 

[starlight 8,606]

7 minutes ago, yusur317 said:

You can't prohibit what God made lawful...? You sure he didn't just mean it's more favourable to marry a muslim woman? 

Here:

 A Muslim man is allowed to marry a Christian or a Jewish woman in temporary marriage. Based on precaution, it is obligatory to refrain from marrying a non-Muslim woman in permanent marriage.

https://www.sistani.org/english/book/46/2062/

[yusur317 406]

5 minutes ago, starlight said:

Here:

 A Muslim man is allowed to marry a Christian or a Jewish woman in temporary marriage. Based on precaution, it is obligatory to refrain from marrying a non-Muslim woman in permanent marriage.

https://www.sistani.org/english/book/46/2062/

That's not haram. You're just advised to avoid it as a precaution. So you can still marry them, it's just not favoured. 

A scholar's word isn't absolute either. So if you disagree with good reason, you needn't follow it imo.

edit: I just noticed the obligatory. I completely disagree. God made it lawful. How can he prohibit it? 

Edited October 28, 2017 by yusur317

[father 85]

33 minutes ago, starlight said:

Only temporarily (according to Sistani)

that is my question, quran didn't say anything about temporary marrying them just marrying them, so why temporary marriage?

[starlight 8,606]

@father @yusur317  Lol, I dont know. I didn't derive these rulings but my understanding is that Quran just says Allah made it lawful so maybe it's just lawful for temporary. Everything is not explained in the Quran in detail. 

I am not sure but I think none of our Masoomeen(as) married women of the book in permanent marriages.

[Hameedeh 15,844]

5 hours ago, The Daredevil said:

For instace, if you marry a christian woman for example, and when you have kids you fail to set them on the right path what will you do then?

All the sin will be upon you

^ This is probably the reason why some marja prohibit a man from marrying a nonMuslim woman permanently (nikah) and only allow to marry her temporarily (mutah). This stipulation is a great incentive for the man to teach Islam to his wife (and children, if any) and when she becomes Muslim he can marry her permanently. As long as she is not a Muslim, he can keep extending the time of their temporary marriage to give her more time to learn Islam. 

[father 85]

7 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

This is probably the reason why some marja prohibit a man from marrying a nonMuslim woman permanently (nikah) and only allow to marry her temporarily (mutah). This stipulation is a great incentive for the man to teach Islam to his wife (and children, if any) and when she becomes Muslim he can marry her permanently. As long as she is not a Muslim, he can keep extending the time of their temporary marriage to give her more time to learn Islam. 

yes this can be a reason, but are there any reasons given by the marjas themselves?

[yusur317 406]

15 hours ago, Hameedeh said:

^ This is probably the reason why some marja prohibit a man from marrying a nonMuslim woman permanently (nikah) and only allow to marry her temporarily (mutah). This stipulation is a great incentive for the man to teach Islam to his wife (and children, if any) and when she becomes Muslim he can marry her permanently. As long as she is not a Muslim, he can keep extending the time of their temporary marriage to give her more time to learn Islam. 

Does this mean shia can only marry sunnis temporarily? We believe in the same God, just as jews and some christians. But we worship differently. Though we are closer to our sunni brothers and sisters, prayers, fasting and our sharia is different. There'll be issues with regards to the child's sect too. Do i love abu bakr omar and uthman or do i blame them for the split among muslims...?

My cousins are sunni, just like their father. In our culture, you inherit everything from your father, including your name, your faith and your ethnicity. Surely that was the norm 1400 year ago? You take after your father...? I thought that's why muslim women couldn't marry christians or jewish men. 

[Sumerian 4,273]

@yusur317 the problem is not all scholars believe that ayah is mutlaq (unconditional). 

Edited October 29, 2017 by E.L King

[Sumerian 4,273]

@father this is a matter of difference amongst Shi'i jurists, some have allowed it permanently and temporarily, some have allowed it only temporarily, and there some other opinions too.

[Sisterfatima1 323]

According to Sistani they can marry Christian and Jewish women for temporary marriage 

[Ashvazdanghe 1,587]

hi its mentioned on Al-Ma'ida [5:5

Al-Nisa [4:25]

Al-Mutahina [60:10]

Al-Baqara [2:221]

http://www.hawzah.net/fa/Question/View/63557/ازدواج-مسلمان-با-غیر-مسلمان-در-قرآن

www.tanzil.net

http://www.hawzah.net/en/Question/View/63557/ازدواج-مسلمان-با-غیر-مسلمان-در-قرآن

http://www.hawzah.net/en/Question

http://www.hawzah.net/en/Article/View/79143/Women-in-a-Qur'anic-Society/?SearchText=marriage&LPhrase=

Edited October 30, 2017 by Ashvazdanghe

[A Muslim Artist 60]

On 10/29/2017 at 8:40 AM, yusur317 said:

Does this mean shia can only marry sunnis temporarily? We believe in the same God, just as jews and some christians. But we worship differently. Though we are closer to our sunni brothers and sisters, prayers, fasting and our sharia is different. There'll be issues with regards to the child's sect too. Do i love abu bakr omar and uthman or do i blame them for the split among muslims...?

My cousins are sunni, just like their father. In our culture, you inherit everything from your father, including your name, your faith and your ethnicity. Surely that was the norm 1400 year ago? You take after your father...? I thought that's why muslim women couldn't marry christians or jewish men. 

That is the case, if a Muslim man marries a Christian or a Jew the kids from that marrige would be of the father's religion.

This is the first time I ever hear that men can only have mutah with the People of Book and not full marrige.

[Meesum_Mtl 113]

1 hour ago, A Muslim Artist said:

That is the case, if a Muslim man marries a Christian or a Jew the kids from that marrige would be of the father's religion.

In the case of the Jewish people, isn't their religion passed down through the mother (correct me if I am wrong)? It would be a conflict if the Muslim father wanted his children to be Muslim and the Jewish mother retorts by saying it is part of her religion for her children to be Jewish as she is the mother.

[A Muslim Artist 60]

1 minute ago, Meesum_Mtl said:

In the case of the Jewish people, isn't their religion passed down through the mother (correct me if I am wrong)? It would be a conflict if the Muslim father wanted his children to be Muslim and the Jewish mother retorts by saying it is part of her religion for her children to be Jewish as she is the mother.

You are correct but it appears that is not universally agreed upon. 

[SalmanK 4]

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 10:08 PM, starlight said:

Only temporarily (according to Sistani)

So you can do Mut`a for a long period that shall cover your life like 90 years. Or prolong it every year since it won't make any difference for the non-Muslim wife.

Is there any problem with that? Just asking.

[SalmanK 4]

3 hours ago, A Muslim Artist said:

That is the case, if a Muslim man marries a Christian or a Jew the kids from that marrige would be of the father's religion.

In theory yes, but there still shall be some influence from mother's side especially if you happen to have a female child. Religion is not just assigned automatically & permanently, one has to accept it when he/she grows up.

[A Muslim Artist 60]

16 hours ago, SalmanK said:

In theory yes, but there still shall be some influence from mother's side especially if you happen to have a female child. Religion is not just assigned automatically & permanently, one has to accept it when he/she grows up.

Oh for sure yeah, I'm defiently not disagreeing with that, I was just stating what I knew/heard.